FreeBSD's CUPS / Postscript / Printing mailing-list

2013-07-14 Thread Matthias Apitz
Hello, I'm now and than in the need of discussing CUPS / Postscript related printing questions. In the past there was www.cups.org with a CUPS related bug tracking system and user forums around CUPS. It seems that the server crashed some time ago and it's unknown when (and how) it will come back

CUPS building error in FreeBSD 9.1

2013-01-14 Thread Antonios Atlasis
Hello to the list, I made a fresh install of FreeBSD 9.1 on a 74bit system and I am trying to install everything I need using ports and not packages. However, when I try to install cups (version 1.5.4), even in the default configuration, I receive the following build errors: echo Linking

How can i disable cups, docbook, gutenprint and other ports?

2012-06-22 Thread lokada...@gmx.de
Hi all, How can i disable cups, docbook and other ports from compiling after port update? I have no printer and no use of cups or docbook. *Sorry for my english* Greetings ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org

Re: How can i disable cups, docbook, gutenprint and other ports?

2012-06-22 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 20:56:59 +0200, lokada...@gmx.de wrote: Hi all, How can i disable cups, docbook and other ports from compiling after port update? I have no printer and no use of cups or docbook. If you don't mind the _time_ required for building those ports (and taking into mind

Re: cups slow when printing from firefox

2012-04-10 Thread Leslie Jensen
Hi all, I'm struggling with a speed issue when trying to print stuff from firefox (10.0.2,1). I've set up cups (meta package 1.5.2) on my box which uses a Lexmark E360dn printer via ethernet. The printer has a postscript emulation which is set as the default (as opposed to PCL). I've used

Re: cups slow when printing from firefox

2012-04-10 Thread markus . hoenicka
Leslie Jensen writes: Hi Markus. If you do a search in the archives you'll see that some of us have printing problems with Firefox. Some even suspect that printing in Firefox is broken. I myself has not been able to solve my specific printing problems which include both Firefox

cups slow when printing from firefox

2012-04-09 Thread markus . hoenicka
Hi all, I'm struggling with a speed issue when trying to print stuff from firefox (10.0.2,1). I've set up cups (meta package 1.5.2) on my box which uses a Lexmark E360dn printer via ethernet. The printer has a postscript emulation which is set as the default (as opposed to PCL). I've used a PPD

Re: Installing Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer on USB using CUPS

2012-02-27 Thread Polytropon
won't need CUPS anytime soon. :-) No, please don't blame CUPS, it is earnestly trying to cope with everything thrown at him (stupid printers, gnome DBus autoconfig, Apple Mac OSX and so on), and it is doing a fairly good job at it. I know that printing currently isn't as easy as I (with my

Re: Installing Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer on USB using CUPS

2012-02-27 Thread Jerry
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:24:32 +0100 Polytropon articulated: Using a Linksys Wireless-G WPS54GU2 print server (WLAN, LAN, USB, parallel) - following Jerry's suggestion - I'll try tp get rid of the USB cable at the next step. I spoke to an associate yesterday who claims he used a USB to Ethernet

Re: Installing Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer on USB using CUPS

2012-02-27 Thread Jerome Herman
and orientation, color or BW etc. They did, then they got bought by Apple... I should make myself more familiar with the command line tool. Still I hope I won't need CUPS anytime soon. :-) No, please don't blame CUPS, it is earnestly trying to cope with everything thrown at him (stupid

Re: Installing Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer on USB using CUPS

2012-02-26 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 02:42:08 +0100, Jerome Herman wrote: You did nothing wrong, on the contrary. You now have a prefectly working printer. You just need to tell cups it exists. Since # foo2qpdl-wrapper -p 2 -c cupstest.ps cupstest.xqx # cat cupstest.xqx /dev/ulpt0 works

Re: Installing Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer on USB using CUPS

2012-02-26 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 10:08:52 +1000, Da Rock wrote: I don't know that I can add anything to the cups discussion here, but I understand you'd rather use lpr anyway. You are aware that the printer will only speak splix the samsung universal driver language? So any config would have to be based

Re: Installing Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer on USB using CUPS

2012-02-26 Thread Jerry
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 23:03:58 +0100 Polytropon articulated: I _never_ would buy a USB printer, and I would also never buy something that doesn't talk PS (or at least PCL). Both PS and to a lesser extent PCL are becoming passé. You might want to seriously consider PDF. The better Brother

Re: Installing Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer on USB using CUPS

2012-02-26 Thread Warren Block
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012, Polytropon wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 10:08:52 +1000, Da Rock wrote: I don't know that I can add anything to the cups discussion here, but I understand you'd rather use lpr anyway. You are aware that the printer will only speak splix the samsung universal driver language

Re: Installing Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer on USB using CUPS

2012-02-26 Thread Jerome Herman
On 26/02/2012 18:46, Polytropon wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 02:42:08 +0100, Jerome Herman wrote: You did nothing wrong, on the contrary. You now have a prefectly working printer. You just need to tell cups it exists. Since # foo2qpdl-wrapper -p 2 -c cupstest.ps cupstest.xqx

Installing Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer on USB using CUPS

2012-02-25 Thread Polytropon
I have a problem installing a Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer using CUPS. In the http://localhost:631 web-based configuration, none of the methods that are supposed to be used for installing a printer works. The Add Printer button leads to this: Add Printer --- Local

Re: Installing Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer on USB using CUPS

2012-02-25 Thread Antonio Olivares
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: I have a problem installing a Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer using CUPS. In the http://localhost:631 web-based configuration, none of the methods that are supposed to be used for installing a printer works. The Add

Re: Installing Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer on USB using CUPS

2012-02-25 Thread Jerry
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 22:14:33 +0100 Polytropon articulated: I have a problem installing a Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer using CUPS. In the http://localhost:631 web-based configuration, none of the methods that are supposed to be used for installing a printer works. USB sucks on FreeBSD

Re: Installing Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer on USB using CUPS

2012-02-25 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 15:26:29 -0600, Antonio Olivares wrote: Hope this can help: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=27666 There are many things that could be interfering? Done as explained in the thread. Even # cp /usr/local/share/examples/cups/ulpt-cupsd.conf /usr/local

Re: Installing Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer on USB using CUPS

2012-02-25 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 16:55:36 -0500, Jerry wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 22:14:33 +0100 Polytropon articulated: I have a problem installing a Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer using CUPS. In the http://localhost:631 web-based configuration, none of the methods that are supposed

Re: Installing Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer on USB using CUPS

2012-02-25 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: I have a problem installing a Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer using CUPS. In the http://localhost:631 web-based configuration, none of the methods that are supposed to be used for installing a printer works. (... snip

Re: Installing Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer on USB using CUPS

2012-02-25 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 23:07:36 +0100, C. P. Ghost wrote: On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: I have a problem installing a Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer using CUPS. In the http://localhost:631 web-based configuration, none of the methods

Re: Installing Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer on USB using CUPS

2012-02-25 Thread Da Rock
On 02/26/12 08:14, Polytropon wrote: On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 23:07:36 +0100, C. P. Ghost wrote: On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Polytroponfree...@edvax.de wrote: I have a problem installing a Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer using CUPS. In the http://localhost:631 web-based configuration

Re: Installing Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer on USB using CUPS

2012-02-25 Thread Jerome Herman
On 25/02/2012 22:14, Polytropon wrote: I have a problem installing a Samsung CLX-2160 color laser printer using CUPS. In the http://localhost:631 web-based configuration, none of the methods that are supposed to be used for installing a printer works. The Add Printer button leads

Re: CUPS 1.5.2 not working, like to test 1.4.x, how?

2012-02-21 Thread Christopher J. Ruwe
On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 00:23:19 +0100 Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 23:46:52 +0100, Christopher J. Ruwe wrote: Is there any documentation available on how to retrieve old ports from the cvs-attic? I just don't know how, so that I could test my assumption that CUPS 1.4

CUPS 1.5.2 not working, like to test 1.4.x, how?

2012-02-20 Thread Christopher J. Ruwe
I am trying to get CUPS 1.5.2 from ports working with my printer and I encounter a problem exactly like a bug described in http://www.cups.org/str.php?L4008, albeit with a Kyocera 1030-D instead of a kyocera 2000. In essence, CUPS 1.5.+ is sending corrupted data to some printers and the remedies

Re: CUPS 1.5.2 not working, like to test 1.4.x, how?

2012-02-20 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 23:46:52 +0100, Christopher J. Ruwe wrote: Is there any documentation available on how to retrieve old ports from the cvs-attic? I just don't know how, so that I could test my assumption that CUPS 1.4.x should be working for my setup. There's a port to do so: portdowngrade

Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS

2012-02-17 Thread Polytropon
for printing. Even though especially office applications (such as Abiword or LibreOffice) have a built-in PDF file generator, the printing output that is sent to the printing subsystem (lpr, CUPS, whatever) is in PS format and gets converted to what the printer needs by the proper printer filter

Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS

2012-02-17 Thread Da Rock
that _applications_ use as output format for printing. Even though especially office applications (such as Abiword or LibreOffice) have a built-in PDF file generator, the printing output that is sent to the printing subsystem (lpr, CUPS, whatever) is in PS format and gets converted to what the printer

Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS

2012-02-17 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:33:33 +1000, Da Rock wrote: PDF is not exactly PS, but it does use a subset of the instructions. That's correct, but both formats share essential parts of functionality. Conversion between them is relatively easy. The other thing you will notice is that its mostly on

Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS

2012-02-17 Thread Da Rock
still seems to be the format that _applications_ use as output format for printing. Even though especially office applications (such as Abiword or LibreOffice) have a built-in PDF file generator, the printing output that is sent to the printing subsystem (lpr, CUPS, whatever) is in PS format

Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS

2012-02-17 Thread Jerry
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:14:47 +0100 Polytropon articulated: Think about that: % netcat 192.168.123.456 /tmp/printing.pdf I can do either: nc 192.168.1.100 9100 /tmp/print.pdf or nc 192.168.1.100 9100 /tmp/print.ps right now without any problems. If you looked at the

Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS

2012-02-17 Thread Da Rock
that: act as a print server (sometimes a bit like CUPS with a web interface) and you can store, hold, print jobs. Graphics organisations still use them, but since processors are so fast these days they don't always bother with some printers. With these functions, the operator could receive a print job

Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS

2012-02-17 Thread Da Rock
On 02/18/12 00:22, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:14:47 +0100 Polytropon articulated: Think about that: % netcat 192.168.123.456 /tmp/printing.pdf I can do either: nc 192.168.1.100 9100 /tmp/print.pdf or nc 192.168.1.100 9100 /tmp/print.ps right now without

Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS

2012-02-12 Thread Jerry
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:17:29 +0100 Polytropon articulated: On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:21:59 +0100, Ouyang Xueyu wrote: Hello, I have Freebsd 8.2 and CUPS installed and try to print on my Brother MFC 7840W printer. The printer is accessible by a static IP address, is configured in CUPS

Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS

2012-02-12 Thread Da Rock
On 02/12/12 23:33, Jerry wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:17:29 +0100 Polytropon articulated: On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:21:59 +0100, Ouyang Xueyu wrote: Hello, I have Freebsd 8.2 and CUPS installed and try to print on my Brother MFC 7840W printer. The printer is accessible by a static IP address

Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS

2012-02-12 Thread Jerry
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 00:25:06 +1000 Da Rock articulated: The biggest problem comes with using many interpreters of a single language. Thankfully pcl works on the majority of printers (network), and is practically a standard in the enterprise world, so you're still not marooned with a paper

Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS

2012-02-12 Thread Da Rock
, and the origin of cups (at least the biggest backer). I don't know the value of creating a wrapper for Windows drivers given they use PCL mostly anyway. Main advantage I'd suppose is in GDI drivers... As a printer specialist I stay well away from printers that don't support a standard anyway - I'll

Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS

2012-02-11 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:21:59 +0100, Ouyang Xueyu wrote: Hello, I have Freebsd 8.2 and CUPS installed and try to print on my Brother MFC 7840W printer. The printer is accessible by a static IP address, is configured in CUPS but everytime I only get blank pages when I'm trying to print

print/cups: CUPS-1.5.0 IPP protocoll issues - no printing possible on IPP capable network printers

2012-02-07 Thread O. Hartmann
We use a bunch of HP and Xerox printers across our network, all capable of being accessed via network over IPP protocoall (so they claim). Printing worked for me flawless on FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE, 9.0-CURRENT, now 9.0-STABLE on all boxes in question. Since updating cups to revision 1.5.0

Re: print/cups: CUPS-1.5.0 IPP protocoll issues - no printing possible on IPP capable network printers

2012-02-07 Thread Da Rock
updating cups to revision 1.5.0 (this is the most recent port version and I recently updated/recompiled the port and dependencies for all parts of CUPS either with CLANG and GCC 4.2.1), I get massive problems accessing printers on the network. Most HP printers accept a print job, but after accepting

Re: print/cups: CUPS-1.5.0 IPP protocoll issues - no printing possible on IPP capable network printers

2012-02-07 Thread Warren Block
On Tue, 7 Feb 2012, Da Rock wrote: I was wondering if this patch, whatever the Ubuntu fellows patched, couldn't be introduced to FreeBSD's CUPS port. Well, sorry about my impatience, but I'm floating like a dead man in the water, since I have to prepare printouts for a conference and printing

Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS

2012-02-06 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:21:59 +0100 Ouyang Xueyu articulated: Hello, I have Freebsd 8.2 and CUPS installed and try to print on my Brother MFC 7840W printer. The printer is accessible by a static IP address, is configured in CUPS but everytime I only get blank pages when I'm trying to print

Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS

2012-02-06 Thread Da Rock
On 02/06/12 22:21, Jerry wrote: On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:21:59 +0100 Ouyang Xueyu articulated: Hello, I have Freebsd 8.2 and CUPS installed and try to print on my Brother MFC 7840W printer. The printer is accessible by a static IP address, is configured in CUPS but everytime I only get blank

MFC 7840W under CUPS

2012-02-05 Thread Ouyang Xueyu
Hello, I have Freebsd 8.2 and CUPS installed and try to print on my Brother MFC 7840W printer. The printer is accessible by a static IP address, is configured in CUPS but everytime I only get blank pages when I'm trying to print. Does anybody know a solution for this behaviour? X

Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS

2012-02-05 Thread Da Rock
On 02/06/12 06:21, Ouyang Xueyu wrote: Hello, I have Freebsd 8.2 and CUPS installed and try to print on my Brother MFC 7840W printer. The printer is accessible by a static IP address, is configured in CUPS but everytime I only get blank pages when I'm trying to print. Does anybody know

CUPS and IPP/JD/LPD

2011-12-08 Thread Ryan Coleman
I have a printer that doesn't support IPP. The leasing agency wants to charge me $1400 to install the Postcript driver on it but I'm looking at another solution, if possible: CUPS. I have a MacBook and we have a number of iOS devices around the office here that people would love to be able

RE: CUPS and IPP/JD/LPD

2011-12-08 Thread Patrick Mahan
-Original Message- From: Ryan Coleman [mailto:edi...@d3photography.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 9:24 AM To: Patrick Mahan Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: CUPS and IPP/JD/LPD Definitely Postscript. With CUPS, I'm don't remember off the top of my head, but I believe

Re: CUPS and IPP/JD/LPD

2011-12-08 Thread Sergio de Almeida Lenzi
Em Qui, 2011-12-08 às 10:40 -0600, Ryan Coleman escreveu: I have a printer that doesn't support IPP. The leasing agency wants to charge me $1400 to install the Postcript driver on it but I'm looking at another solution, if possible: CUPS. I have a MacBook and we have a number of iOS

qt4-cups

2011-11-19 Thread ajtiM
I decided to install FreeBSD 9.0 RC-2. I like to have KDE4 as I have now and my question is: Do I need to have in the make.conf still QT4_OPTIONS=CUPS Thank you. Mitja http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing

No color on CUPS

2011-11-06 Thread James Colannino
Hey everyone, I hope this is FreeBSD-specific enough for this list... Ever since moving to FreeBSD, I haven't been able to use color on my color laserjet. I've tried selecting just about every color laserjet model from the web interface to CUPS that I can think of, and the only color

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-31 Thread Ian Smith
In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 386, Issue 9, Message: 5 On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 07:28:24 -0400 Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:27:03 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: Your insistance on trying to impose -your- standards on the world, and denying them the

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-30 Thread Frank Shute
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 07:28:24AM -0400, Jerry wrote: You cannot even get a decent N - protocol wireless device, or even a not so decent one for that matter, to work on FreeBSD while the rest of the world has had working solutions for 5 years. What the hell are they waiting for -- the second

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-30 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 08:25:11 + Frank Shute articulated: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 07:28:24AM -0400, Jerry wrote: You cannot even get a decent N - protocol wireless device, or even a not so decent one for that matter, to work on FreeBSD while the rest of the world has had working

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-30 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: The biggest loser in this is FreeBSD itself. Virtually any new PC or laptop, with the exception of the bargain basement brands, and even some of them are exempt, now come with N protocol wireless devices. Instead of devoting so

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-30 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:59:58 +0100 C. P. Ghost articulated: On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: The biggest loser in this is FreeBSD itself. Virtually any new PC or laptop, with the exception of the bargain basement brands, and even some of them are exempt,

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-30 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 09:48:08 -0400, Jerry wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:59:58 +0100 C. P. Ghost articulated: On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: The biggest loser in this is FreeBSD itself. Virtually any new PC or laptop, with the exception of the bargain

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-29 Thread Thomas Mueller
Then I have to portupgrade hplip and dependencies (portupgrade -r ...) or the portmaster equivalent. Welcome to the wonderful world of printing on FreeBSD. By the way, is the time you are investing in this venture considered billable hours or just self-flagellation? -- Jerry ???

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-29 Thread Jerry
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:27:03 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: Your insistance on trying to impose -your- standards on the world, and denying them the 'freedom of choice' to make their own decisions on the matter -- e.g. anyone offering such products should be to some degree held legally

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-29 Thread Warren Block
While political and economic issues are important, most of them are not directly relevant to the freebsd-questions mailing list, and reduce the usefulness of the list in helping people get answers to questions about FreeBSD. Please continue such subjects somewhere else, like private email or

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-29 Thread Robert Bonomi
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sat Oct 29 06:29:33 2011 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 07:28:24 -0400 From: Jerry je...@seibercom.net To: FreeBSD freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:27:03 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-28 Thread Warren Block
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: In message alpine.bsf.2.00.1110270834540.94...@wonkity.com, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: ... The only thing that worries me about my rather ad-hoc way of setting up a personal printer (as describe above) is that I sort of wonder what

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-28 Thread Thomas Mueller
from Mark Felder f...@feld.me: You've just made me a happy, happy user. I always wondered what it would take to get rid of CUPS, and today I've done it. Finally my print jobs are instantaneous here at work instead of being a mystery. Can't wait to go home and do the same with my

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-28 Thread Jerry
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:08:07 + (GMT) Thomas Mueller articulated: from Mark Felder f...@feld.me: You've just made me a happy, happy user. I always wondered what it would take to get rid of CUPS, and today I've done it. Finally my print jobs are instantaneous here at work instead

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-28 Thread Jerry
_without_ CUPS On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:11:32 +0200 Polytropon articulated: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:39:05 -0400, Jerry wrote: Printing under MS Windows is a breeze. The *nix community has never gotten printing up to that lever. It _had_, past tense. :-) While

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-28 Thread Daniel Feenberg
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011, Mark Felder wrote: You've just made me a happy, happy user. I always wondered what it would take to get rid of CUPS, and today I've done it. Finally my print jobs are instantaneous here at work instead of being a mystery. Can't wait to go home and do the same with my

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-28 Thread Warren Block
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011, Daniel Feenberg wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011, Mark Felder wrote: You've just made me a happy, happy user. I always wondered what it would take to get rid of CUPS, and today I've done it. Finally my print jobs are instantaneous here at work instead of being a mystery. Can't

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-28 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:53:44 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: A better example would be a web browser or word processor. The program stops responding to further input until the printer has received the entire print job. This bothered people enough that they came up with lpd/lpr, which is

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-28 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:36:20 -0400, Jerry wrote: Welcome to the wonderful world of printing on FreeBSD. By the way, is the time you are investing in this venture considered billable hours or just self-flagellation? Maybe you can also ask the other way round: BEFORE I buy a product, I ask:

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-28 Thread Jerry
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:12:54 +0200 Polytropon articulated: So let me make this more clear: IF the hardware manufacturer wants to allow developers to write drivers for their hardware for free, THEN everything they'd have to do is to publish the control codes for the sheet feeder and the ink

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-28 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Oct 28, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Jerry wrote: Check out MOVED in the ports. There are numerous applications that are just abandoned or discontinued. If something breaks I want someone to contact. I realize that is not the Open Source way however. The thought of someone actually being responsible

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-28 Thread Jerry
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:14:26 -0700 Chuck Swiger articulated: On Oct 28, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Jerry wrote: Check out MOVED in the ports. There are numerous applications that are just abandoned or discontinued. If something breaks I want someone to contact. I realize that is not the Open Source

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-28 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:04:19 -0400, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:12:54 +0200 Polytropon articulated: So let me make this more clear: IF the hardware manufacturer wants to allow developers to write drivers for their hardware for free, THEN everything they'd have to do is to publish

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-28 Thread Robert Bonomi
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:04:19 -0400, Jerry je...@seibercom.net pontificated: I buy my cars from known corporations and not the local chop-shop. My drugs come form known pharmaceutical corporations and not the local pusher. I like my device specific codes to come from those best able to supply

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-28 Thread Jerry
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:35:20 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:04:19 -0400, Jerry je...@seibercom.net pontificated: I buy my cars from known corporations and not the local chop-shop. My drugs come form known pharmaceutical corporations and not the local

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-28 Thread Jerry
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:17:46 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: P.S. If _anybody_ wants to accuse me of 'name-calling', note well that Jerry started it, and without any provocation. Mommy.mommy, come quick. The boy next door is picking on me. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-28 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:54:01 -0400, Jerry wrote: Remember the adage: You get what you pay for. That's often true - especially in the home consumer market you mostly get crap, this is what you pay for. But in some cases, you can't control _what_ you get just per payment, means: Just because it's

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-28 Thread Robert Bonomi
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:54:01 -0400 Jerry je...@seibercom.net supersciliously ponftificated: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:35:20 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:04:19 -0400, Jerry je...@seibercom.net pontificated: I buy my cars from known corporations and

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-28 Thread Christopher J. Ruwe
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:54:01 -0400 Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:35:20 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:04:19 -0400, Jerry je...@seibercom.net pontificated: I buy my cars from known corporations and not the local chop-shop.

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-28 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:27:03 -0500 (CDT), Robert Bonomi wrote: Your insistance on trying to impose -your- standards on the world, and denying them the 'freedom of choice' to make their own decisions on the matter -- e.g. anyone offering such products should be to some degree held legally

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-28 Thread perryh
Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: A better example would be a web browser or word processor. The program stops responding to further input until the printer has received the entire print job. This bothered people enough that they came up with lpd/lpr ... Back when lpr/lpd were first

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-28 Thread Robert Bonomi
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:44:59 +0200, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:27:03 -0500 (CDT), Robert Bonomi wrote: Your insistance on trying to impose -your- standards on the world, and denying them the 'freedom of choice' to make their own decisions on the matter --

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-28 Thread Randy Pratt
. I'm impatient by nature, and I don't like CUPS. (I would say that I hate it, but I don't actually feel that strongly.) I have two personal workstations. When I say personal I mean it. I'm the only one who ever touches them. I think I have over 50 ports depending on CUPS in one way

Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-27 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
This isn't really a question. It's more of a semi-rant, combined with some information that I wanted to put on the record (so that it can be googled) because it may benefit some folks, other than just me. I'm impatient by nature, and I don't like CUPS. (I would say that I hate it, but I don't

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-27 Thread Bill Tillman
From: Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 4:28 AM Subject: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS This isn't really a question.  It's more of a semi-rant, combined with some information

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-27 Thread Warren Block
discussing CUPS. There's a separate article about CUPS on the Books and Articles Online page: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/cups/index.html I just wanted to share what I did. In a nutshell, I moved/renamed /usr/bin/lpr to /usr/bin/lpr- and replaced it with this trivial script

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-27 Thread John Levine
I'm not a huge fan of CUPS, but at this point it's the best of a bad lot. I find the queueing useful, since I often print documents long enough that I don't want to wait. More importantly, CUPS, for me at least, seems to be quite slow. There's a lng pause after I queue something

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-27 Thread Polytropon
, and I don't like CUPS.  (I would say that I hate it, but I don't actually feel that strongly.) Let's shake hands, and allow me to add that I'm lazy. :-) I have two personal workstations.  When I say personal I mean it.  I'm the only one who ever touches them. One of them I have been

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-27 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: BUT: CUPS seems to be hardcoded into many applications today. They stopped working with the non-CUPS default system tools. An example is Opera. Another one is Gimp which works with system lp* tools, but has hardcoded queries

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-27 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:17:55 +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote: On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: BUT: CUPS seems to be hardcoded into many applications today. They stopped working with the non-CUPS default system tools. An example is Opera. Another one is Gimp

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-27 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 27/10/2011 16:29, Polytropon wrote: In my opinion, CUPS is the Windows way of doing things, not the UNIX way. Hate me for having that opinion, but I feel to say it. Actually you can't blame Bill for this one. CUPS is an Apple / MacOS X thing. I must say, it works really smoothly on my

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-27 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:41:38 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 27/10/2011 16:29, Polytropon wrote: In my opinion, CUPS is the Windows way of doing things, not the UNIX way. Hate me for having that opinion, but I feel to say it. Actually you can't blame Bill for this one. CUPS is an Apple

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-27 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Thursday, October 27, 2011 a las 07:00:39PM +0200, Polytropon escribió: Actually you can't blame Bill for this one. CUPS is an Apple / MacOS X thing. I must say, it works really smoothly on my MacBook -- I just plug in the USB cable from my printer and hit print -- but I never got

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-27 Thread Jerry
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:41:38 +0100 Matthew Seaman articulated: On 27/10/2011 16:29, Polytropon wrote: In my opinion, CUPS is the Windows way of doing things, not the UNIX way. Hate me for having that opinion, but I feel to say it. Actually you can't blame Bill for this one. CUPS

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-27 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Ronald F. Guilmette on Thursday, 27 October 2011: #!/bin/sh printer='/dev/ulpt0' if [ $# = 0 ]; then cat | /usr/local/libexec/psif $printer else for arg in $* ; do cat $arg |

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-27 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Oct 27, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Jerry wrote: Printing under MS Windows is a breeze. The *nix community has never gotten printing up to that lever. Of course Unix has had functional printing; the issue is mostly dumb printers which can't accept PostScript or at least PCL, and need an OS-specific

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-27 Thread Polytropon
that the cost of writing drivers for a widely fragmented community and then having to support said drivers would just not be financially feasible. Interesting. I always thought CUPS (which is common across the many Linusi, as well as standard in Mac OS X) would have a PPD plugin

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-27 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message 20111027143609.60335.qm...@joyce.lan, you wrote: I'm not a huge fan of CUPS, but at this point it's the best of a bad lot. I find the queueing useful, since I often print documents long enough that I don't want to wait. I don't quite understand the issue you are raising john. Even

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-27 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message alpine.bsf.2.00.1110270834540.94...@wonkity.com, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: ... The only thing that worries me about my rather ad-hoc way of setting up a personal printer (as describe above) is that I sort of wonder what will happen if I ever try to print something

Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS

2011-10-27 Thread Jerry
on a common, uniform hierarchy for and method of implementing printer drivers. I couldn't care less if they used CUPS. LPR or whatever just as long as they get a unified method in place. If such a system were in place, there would be no problem in getting developers to write the necessary drivers

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