[OT] Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
Wojciech Puchar wrote: providing data recovery services etc... people are allowed to be stupid. it's natural. no need to worry Sometimes managing calendars and corporate schedules can be a pain in the ass. I don't see how groups like Intel could do it any other way.. fortunately it's not my pain :) and i'm not interested in groups like Intel which naturally support windows and microsoft every place. rant Can't comment about this too much further than I have, but that statement (believing that Intel uses strictly Windows products) is not 100% correct--they use a lot of open source software and OSes, and they're at more critical points in their IT infrastruture. Windows is there just to help out with some of the more critical planning areas because it's easier than other solutions at solving planning / logisitics related problems and ties in nicely with what they have in place. I'm not saying that I love Outlook, but I wouldn't want to do my work there without it.. /rant -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
- Original Message - From: Josh Tolbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 7:30 AM Subject: Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 07:16:58AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I use the Cram-MD5 passwords with Outlook? Or do I have to go plain text? Off-topic for FreeBSD-Questions but I don't believe Outlook supports CRAM-MD5 out of the box. *Not* off-topic, the context being how best to configure Outlook for use with FreeBSD IMAP. One hopes something more secure than plain-text passwords can be made to work. My answer is Don't use Outlook. For anything. Period. but the OP may be stuck with it for some reason. Thank You, if I was talking about Anna Nichole Smith or something, that would be *OFF* topic. ;o). I am stuck with outlook if I want to synch my PDA phone to my e-mail. It seems to work ok with gmail pop3. Maybe I can just have sendmail foreward a copy of all my mail to gmail. Thanks Guys, Chris Maness I run imap-uw. Outlook 2003 works just fine with my mail server. However, I haven't been able to get Outlook 2002 to work properly. If your using self-signed certificates the secret is you create a self-signed CA certificate, then import a copy of that into Internet Explorer, and then when you create the CSR for the imap server, sign it with your self-signed root CA certificate. This same restriction existed for all prior Outlook clients. In outlook 2003 MS finally got rid of that and allowed you to use self-signed imap certificates directly. Ted Outlook Express also works fine for me. My (quite popular) page about running both sendmail and imap-uw with SSL/TLS and authentication can be found here: http://www.puresimplicity.net/~hemi/freebsd/sendmail.html. The page states that one of the goals of the described mail setup is compatibility with Microsoft e-mail clients. Thanks, Josh -- Josh Tolbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://www.puresimplicity.net/~hemi/ Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing. -- Helen Keller ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
providing data recovery services etc... people are allowed to be stupid. it's natural. no need to worry Sometimes managing calendars and corporate schedules can be a pain in the ass. I don't see how groups like Intel could do it any other way.. fortunately it's not my pain :) and i'm not interested in groups like Intel which naturally support windows and microsoft every place. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
Outlook has some good features: most important of them: 1) inability to work right with imap, for eg. when deleting mail. 2) inability to properly handle THEIR OWN FORMAT mail (these huge files in which it keeps mail) when there is a lot of mail on disk. after shorter or longer time it will start to fail, and finally fail completely, making mail recovery near impossible. IMAP keeps mail on mailserver, but see point 1 3) inability to handle big amount of mail (like half milion e-mails getting ca 10-20GB space) at all without waiting whole night. thats very good features if you a) selling computers. it will help you sell new super-ultra-fast machine every year or less. b) provide data recovery services to recover effects of point 2 c) like to offer better solutions than outlook. points B and C makes me happy often :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
how usable Outlook is with IMAP. The UW uses uw-imap (whatever the latest version is) because they develop that mailserver. As you say the U.W. would have a hard time using anything but uw-imap (where do you thing the uw in uw-imap comes from :-). use dovecot with Maildir. IMHO it's the best for mail service now. at least for me ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
Wojciech Puchar wrote: use dovecot with Maildir. IMHO it's the best for mail service now. at least for me Does dovecont support shared forders? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
On Tuesday February 27, 2007 at 08:56:19 (AM) Wojciech Puchar wrote: fortunately it's not my pain :) and i'm not interested in groups like Intel which naturally support windows and microsoft every place. I think it could be more accurately stated that Intel, among others, follow the money. I am sure if Intel could be shown a comparable business design that would generate a similar bottom line, they would seriously consider it. Nobody is going to throw resources at a losing or revenue neutral venture. -- Gerard I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals. I am a vegetarian because I hate plants. A. Whitney Brown ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
fortunately it's not my pain :) and i'm not interested in groups like Intel which naturally support windows and microsoft every place. I think it could be more accurately stated that Intel, among others, i think i was accurate in what i said :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
use dovecot with Maildir. IMHO it's the best for mail service now. at least for me Does dovecont support shared forders? what are shared folders? is it some standard or some M$-standard? if some e-mails has to be shared, i simply create e-mail account for them, and more that one person gets IMAP access to it. that's all, folders are shared ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
Wojciech Puchar wrote: use dovecot with Maildir. IMHO it's the best for mail service now. at least for me Does dovecont support shared forders? what are shared folders? is it some standard or some M$-standard? As in shared namespaces? I'm sure thats an IMAP standard, rather than just an MS thing? Dovecot is brilliant also, especially with kqueue support now! Pretty sure it does shared folders. Ta, Joe ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007, Joe Holden wrote: Wojciech Puchar wrote: use dovecot with Maildir. IMHO it's the best for mail service now. at least for me Does dovecont support shared forders? what are shared folders? is it some standard or some M$-standard? As in shared namespaces? I'm sure thats an IMAP standard, rather than just an MS thing? Dovecot is brilliant also, especially with kqueue support now! Pretty sure it does shared folders. According to http://wiki.dovecot.org/SharedFolders it does. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
I know this is a little bit of a tangent, but does anyone have a good comprehensive command list, for testing an IMAP server via telnet? Thanks, Mikel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
On Feb 27, 2007, at 12:38 AM, Bill Campbell wrote: I glad I didn't know that after dropping my last cell phone in the crapper. The display was toast, but it was alive enough that I could use iSync on my OS X box to grab all the phone info and load it into my new phone. If I had known that OS X didn't have this capability, I couldn't have done this. FWIW, this was about three years ago. Bill That's a really unpleasant visual. Thanks... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007, Mikel King wrote: I know this is a little bit of a tangent, but does anyone have a good comprehensive command list, for testing an IMAP server via telnet? I would think you should be able to use this: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3501.html I use it when I need to get IMAP syntax for a command. Examples are shown on command usage and can be executed via a telnet session. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007, Wojciech Puchar wrote: how usable Outlook is with IMAP. The UW uses uw-imap (whatever the latest version is) because they develop that mailserver. As you say the U.W. would have a hard time using anything but uw-imap (where do you thing the uw in uw-imap comes from :-). use dovecot with Maildir. IMHO it's the best for mail service now. at least for me I haven't looked at dovecot. Does it maintain a group of listeners, similar to apache's, to handle incoming requests as courier-imap does? So far we have had excellent performance with courier-imap at sites with about 10,000 mail clients hitting a single server (most of whom are using the POP interface as these are ISP sites). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the roar of its many waters. -- Frederick Douglass ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
I haven't looked at dovecot. Does it maintain a group of listeners, similar to apache's, to handle incoming requests as courier-imap does? you can set listening IP in config or *, not much more. if i do understand your question. no such many options like apache. So far we have had excellent performance with courier-imap at sites with about 10,000 mail clients hitting a single server (most of whom are using the POP interface as these are ISP sites). mine has 500-1000 clients, but makes unnoticable load. looks like both are OK. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
As in shared namespaces? I'm sure thats an IMAP standard, rather than just an MS thing? Dovecot is brilliant also, especially with kqueue support now! Pretty sure it does shared folders. According to http://wiki.dovecot.org/SharedFolders it does. nice. actually i never needed this so don't know. anyway such feature (not in dovecot, but generally) is strange thing for me. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
As in shared namespaces? I'm sure thats an IMAP standard, rather than just an MS thing? Dovecot is brilliant also, especially with kqueue support now! Pretty sure it does shared folders. it works fast with IMAP with Maildir folders having tens of thousands of e-mails. don't ask me why i have such large folders, rather ask my users :) but it works well that case. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
On Feb 27, 2007, at 10:31 AM, Mikel King wrote: I know this is a little bit of a tangent, but does anyone have a good comprehensive command list, for testing an IMAP server via telnet? The UW IMAP tool kit contains a number of scriptable command lines tools for talking to imap servers. Maybe something in there will help. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberghttp://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
How do I use the Cram-MD5 passwords with Outlook? Or do I have to go plain text? Off-topic for FreeBSD-Questions but I don't believe Outlook supports CRAM-MD5 out of the box. *Not* off-topic, the context being how best to configure Outlook for use with FreeBSD IMAP. One hopes something more secure than plain-text passwords can be made to work. My answer is Don't use Outlook. For anything. Period. but the OP may be stuck with it for some reason. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
On 2/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Not* off-topic, the context being how best to configure Outlook for use with FreeBSD IMAP. One hopes something more secure than plain-text passwords can be made to work. Uh, OK. My answer is Don't use Outlook. For anything. Period. but the OP may be stuck with it for some reason. Outlook supports SSL and TLS for both IMAP and SMTP if makes a difference, plus AUTH but I'm not sure if it sets up a tunnel before sending the plain-text password. Googling seems to indicate otherwise, but perhaps someone better versed in Outlook can say for sure? -- Juha http://www.geekzone.co.nz/juha ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
I am using the default FreeBSD IMAP server in FreeBSD. It works great with what's the default FreeBSD IMAP server? i don't remember IMAP in base FreeBSD distro? thunderbird, but Outlook is not able to log in even though I have Secure Authentication checked. Any ideas? no idea. with dovecot all imap clients work, both with and without ssl. anyway - outlook doesn't work well anytime, especially with imap. simply don't use it, thunderbird for windows works good with imap. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
*Not* off-topic, the context being how best to configure Outlook for use with FreeBSD IMAP. One hopes something more secure than plain-text passwords can be made to work. My answer is Don't use Outlook. For anything. Period. as my answer. i have ca 500 users in my networks (mostly one), outlook users always have problems, and i always answer that they like problems and use outlook. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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anyway - outlook doesn't work well anytime, especially with imap. simply don't use it, thunderbird for windows works good with imap. This is not as feasible as stated. Changing 500 users from Outlook to something they have likely never seen is always a nightmare, even if the subtleties are small. Try explaining that to upper management...uh, we are getting rid of your Outlook, as well as everyone elses because our server won't work with it. It should only take an hour per user to transfer everything over to the new software, and most users will experience data loss because not all parts are transferable. In short, it would cost less to install Exchange than it would to migrate, train and re-create data for that many users. To the OP...have you checked the log files on the server to check for errors? I have numerous Outlook and OE users who use IMAP over SSL, and SMTP Auth on port 587 (again with SSL). We do not use SPA. We use courier-imap and qmail, and have vpopmail managing the multiple domains. Almost all of our domains have to use their full email address as username. I have seen before however, that sometimes Outlook will try to append their domain to the username (eg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or something similar) so the problem may rest there. Depending on what IMAP server you use, the log file may be /var/log/maillog. It should give you an idea of where to start looking. Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
In response to Steve Bertrand [EMAIL PROTECTED]: anyway - outlook doesn't work well anytime, especially with imap. simply don't use it, thunderbird for windows works good with imap. I've got to say, I don't know where this is coming from. We have a menagerie of IMAP clients here, and probably 10% of them are Outlook, and we don't have any more trouble with the Outlook clients than any other clients. We use Cyrus. Perhaps that's saying something in Cyrus' favor? -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
Steve Bertrand wrote: anyway - outlook doesn't work well anytime, especially with imap. simply don't use it, thunderbird for windows works good with imap. This is not as feasible as stated. Changing 500 users from Outlook to something they have likely never seen is always a nightmare, even if the subtleties are small. Try explaining that to upper management...uh, we are getting rid of your Outlook, as well as everyone elses because our server won't work with it. It should only take an hour per user to transfer everything over to the new software, and most users will experience data loss because not all parts are transferable. In short, it would cost less to install Exchange than it would to migrate, train and re-create data for that many users. To the OP...have you checked the log files on the server to check for errors? I have numerous Outlook and OE users who use IMAP over SSL, and SMTP Auth on port 587 (again with SSL). We do not use SPA. We use courier-imap and qmail, and have vpopmail managing the multiple domains. Almost all of our domains have to use their full email address as username. I have seen before however, that sometimes Outlook will try to append their domain to the username (eg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or something similar) so the problem may rest there. Depending on what IMAP server you use, the log file may be /var/log/maillog. It should give you an idea of where to start looking. Steve I honestly do think that MS Outlook complies as well as other IMAP clients, just like MS and their IE browser _... For example, the University of Washington has the following for their email client page: http://www.washington.edu/computing/email/programs.html#configuring , and if you note the location of outlook (the bottom) along with the information we don't support this, then maybe you get a hunch about how usable Outlook is with IMAP. The UW uses uw-imap (whatever the latest version is) because they develop that mailserver. I'd look at the directions a bit though, see what's going on, but yes authentication does work with SSL/TLS, and it works well from what I can understand. Otherwise other depts (like the one I was working for at the UW) would complain about not being to use Outlook, unless it was Exchange related. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
How do I use the Cram-MD5 passwords with Outlook? Or do I have to go plain text? Off-topic for FreeBSD-Questions but I don't believe Outlook supports CRAM-MD5 out of the box. *Not* off-topic, the context being how best to configure Outlook for use with FreeBSD IMAP. One hopes something more secure than plain-text passwords can be made to work. My answer is Don't use Outlook. For anything. Period. but the OP may be stuck with it for some reason. Thank You, if I was talking about Anna Nichole Smith or something, that would be *OFF* topic. ;o). I am stuck with outlook if I want to synch my PDA phone to my e-mail. It seems to work ok with gmail pop3. Maybe I can just have sendmail foreward a copy of all my mail to gmail. Thanks Guys, Chris Maness ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 07:16:58AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I use the Cram-MD5 passwords with Outlook? Or do I have to go plain text? Off-topic for FreeBSD-Questions but I don't believe Outlook supports CRAM-MD5 out of the box. *Not* off-topic, the context being how best to configure Outlook for use with FreeBSD IMAP. One hopes something more secure than plain-text passwords can be made to work. My answer is Don't use Outlook. For anything. Period. but the OP may be stuck with it for some reason. Thank You, if I was talking about Anna Nichole Smith or something, that would be *OFF* topic. ;o). I am stuck with outlook if I want to synch my PDA phone to my e-mail. It seems to work ok with gmail pop3. Maybe I can just have sendmail foreward a copy of all my mail to gmail. Thanks Guys, Chris Maness I run imap-uw. Outlook 2003 works just fine with my mail server. However, I haven't been able to get Outlook 2002 to work properly. Outlook Express also works fine for me. My (quite popular) page about running both sendmail and imap-uw with SSL/TLS and authentication can be found here: http://www.puresimplicity.net/~hemi/freebsd/sendmail.html. The page states that one of the goals of the described mail setup is compatibility with Microsoft e-mail clients. Thanks, Josh -- Josh Tolbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://www.puresimplicity.net/~hemi/ Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing. -- Helen Keller ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--On Monday, February 26, 2007 21:55:45 +1300 Juha Saarinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Not* off-topic, the context being how best to configure Outlook for use with FreeBSD IMAP. One hopes something more secure than plain-text passwords can be made to work. Uh, OK. My answer is Don't use Outlook. For anything. Period. but the OP may be stuck with it for some reason. Outlook supports SSL and TLS for both IMAP and SMTP if makes a difference, plus AUTH but I'm not sure if it sets up a tunnel before sending the plain-text password. Googling seems to indicate otherwise, but perhaps someone better versed in Outlook can say for sure? Outlook works just like any other IMAP client. You can set up SSL or TLS. You can change the default port, if you need to. And yes, it sets up the tunnel before exchanging credentials and connecting to one's mailbox. I don't think there's any way to use CRAMD5, but why would you need to if you're already using SSL? Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
I am using the default FreeBSD IMAP server in FreeBSD. It works great with thunderbird, but Outlook is not able to log in even though I have Secure Authentication checked. Any ideas? one - what POP/IMAP server are you using? two - some setups will require you to use the FULL email address as the username three - outlook works well as an IMAP client, but you dont want something that works wellyou want something that works PERFECT. four - log files always help you outi believe that will be /var/log/maillog that will help you out... usually a detail of what you are running on your IMAP server, (IMAP server software, versiop of FreeBSD.) hope that helps -- Mike Of course, you might discount this possibility, but remember that one in a million chances happen 99% of the time. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
I am using the default FreeBSD IMAP server in FreeBSD. It works great with thunderbird, but Outlook is not able to log in even though I have Secure Authentication checked. Any ideas? one - what POP/IMAP server are you using? two - some setups will require you to use the FULL email address as the username three - outlook works well as an IMAP client, but you dont want something that works wellyou want something that works PERFECT. four - log files always help you outi believe that will be /var/log/maillog that will help you out... usually a detail of what you are running on your IMAP server, (IMAP server software, versiop of FreeBSD.) hope that helps -- Mike Of course, you might discount this possibility, but remember that one in a million chances happen 99% of the time. I am running imap-uw: imap-uw-2004g_1,1 University of Washington IMAP4rev1/POP2/POP3 mail servers I was able to find out that Outlook does not support Cram-md5. That is the issue. I am going to use sendmail alias to foreward to gmail and use their pop3 service. I only need outlook for myself to sync with my PDA. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
On Feb 26, 2007, at 5:48 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: as my answer. i have ca 500 users in my networks (mostly one), outlook users always have problems, and i always answer that they like problems and use outlook. As an email administrator I have to concur. Unless people really are using the extra features of on exchange server some place (shared calendars etc), getting users to move away from Outhouse is a major security improvement and reduces most of the email tech support calls. Please note that Outhouse (and some other Windows IMAP clients) do IMAP in a POPish way. This will undermine the advantages of IMAP and almost certainly lead to lost mail through users POPing their box. But I do understand that getting rid of Outhouse simply might not be an option. Unfortunately, I can't answer the original question because I haven't played with IMAP on FreeBSD yet. I don't even know what IMAP server the OP is using. It will almost certainly be one of courier, cyrus, or uw. I would recommend to the OP to first find out what imap server they are running and then post the question to the very helpful Usenet group comp.mail.imap -j -- Jeffrey Goldberghttp://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
On Feb 26, 2007, at 11:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was able to find out that Outlook does not support Cram-md5. That is the issue. The question of using CRAM-MD5 over TLS can lead to holy wars. It is still what in recommended by the UW IMAP team, but it has the disadvantage of not being universally support and it means that the server stores an unencrypted copy of the users' secret credentials. I, personally, don't use it for the servers I have managed. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberghttp://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
the extra features of on exchange server some place (shared calendars etc), getting users to move away from Outhouse is a major security improvement and reduces most of the email tech support calls. i provide services for users, including mail services with IMAP access. and i often help users of my services how to configure their client programs (which is often not my duty) for free. but i don't help solving problems that people willingly create, FOR EXAMPLE by using Outlook for mail. other examples are using internet explorer, others are installing some magic firewalls and feeling secure instead of just stopping all windows network services and then running few really needed (often none). Other is using POP3 instead of IMAP, so no e-mails are kept on server side (and backed up by me daily) and then but thats problems they are willingly creating, and chance to get some cash providing data recovery services etc... people are allowed to be stupid. it's natural. no need to worry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
the issue. The question of using CRAM-MD5 over TLS can lead to holy wars. It is still the answer is that when using windows (biggest security hole), using best ever secure connection (assuming such thing exist) is as good as not using any, if company/office uses windows, right company-wide done VPN is an answer, even better - mail server in the same place on the same LAN ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
Outlook has some good features, no doubt about that, but it's not a great IMAP client. Outlook Express is better - doesn't use Personal Storage Files that grow into insane sizes and suffer corruption, plus allows you to relocate Special Folders to the IMAP server, like Sent Messages and Drafts. You want to be able to do this, trust me. OE is also much quicker. Thunderbird has its own set of issues, but it's the best readily available IMAP client for Windows users currently. The latest beta of version 2.0 works rather nicely. It doesn't have the features corporate Outlook users expect though, like good contacts management, calendaring and ability to synch with mobile devices. If Outlook was a better IMAP client and could be coaxed into handling email properly without resorting to VBA hacks, I'd switch to it. Unfortunately however, Microsoft is turning a deaf ear to fixing those issues, and Outlook 2007 for instance has taken a few steps forward (better IMAP support) but also some backwards (quoting is badly broken by default). Bringing it back to FreeBSD, Outlook will work with any old IMAP server. Just not as well as other clients. -- Juha http://www.geekzone.co.nz/juha ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
Garrett Cooper wrote: Steve Bertrand wrote: anyway - outlook doesn't work well anytime, especially with imap. simply don't use it, thunderbird for windows works good with imap. This is not as feasible as stated. Changing 500 users from Outlook to something they have likely never seen is always a nightmare, even if the subtleties are small. Try explaining that to upper management...uh, we are getting rid of your Outlook, as well as everyone elses because our server won't work with it. It should only take an hour per user to transfer everything over to the new software, and most users will experience data loss because not all parts are transferable. In short, it would cost less to install Exchange than it would to migrate, train and re-create data for that many users. To the OP...have you checked the log files on the server to check for errors? I have numerous Outlook and OE users who use IMAP over SSL, and SMTP Auth on port 587 (again with SSL). We do not use SPA. We use courier-imap and qmail, and have vpopmail managing the multiple domains. Almost all of our domains have to use their full email address as username. I have seen before however, that sometimes Outlook will try to append their domain to the username (eg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or something similar) so the problem may rest there. Depending on what IMAP server you use, the log file may be /var/log/maillog. It should give you an idea of where to start looking. Steve I honestly do think that MS Outlook complies as well as other IMAP clients, just like MS and their IE browser _... For example, the University of Washington has the following for their email client page: http://www.washington.edu/computing/email/programs.html#configuring , and if you note the location of outlook (the bottom) along with the information we don't support this, then maybe you get a hunch about how usable Outlook is with IMAP. The UW uses uw-imap (whatever the latest version is) because they develop that mailserver. I'd look at the directions a bit though, see what's going on, but yes authentication does work with SSL/TLS, and it works well from what I can understand. Otherwise other depts (like the one I was working for at the UW) would complain about not being to use Outlook, unless it was Exchange related. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use the UW thing with OE it works fine, better than TBird actually. Just specify ssl, put mail in as the folder, I'm good. Brian Brian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007, Brian wrote: Garrett Cooper wrote: ... I honestly do think that MS Outlook complies as well as other IMAP clients, just like MS and their IE browser _... For example, the University of Washington has the following for their email client page: http://www.washington.edu/computing/email/programs.html#configuring , and if you note the location of outlook (the bottom) along with the information we don't support this, then maybe you get a hunch about how usable Outlook is with IMAP. The UW uses uw-imap (whatever the latest version is) because they develop that mailserver. As you say the U.W. would have a hard time using anything but uw-imap (where do you thing the uw in uw-imap comes from :-). We've been using courier-imap for about seven years now with thousands of users at our ISP customer's sites. One of our first installations was at a local newspaper group, and I had problems at first until I discovered the build option ``--enable-workarounds-for-imap-client-bugs'' which cured the problems with broken Microsoft software (but I repeat myself). Courier-imap uses qmail-style Maildir mail stores which I much prefer to the monolithic files used by uw-imap as they make life generally easier: + The store each message in its own file where the file name consists of a time stamp, sequence, hostname, and status. + This method of storage eliminates all file locking problems so works well with clusters of servers writing and reading e-mail. + There aren't any issues when deleting messages as one has with the single-file stores where the entire file must be rewritten. + Unlike Cyrus-IMAP, which also uses per-file message stores, the Maildir format doesn't have a semi-proprietary database so works well with other Unix tools (e.g. you want to delete all files over thirty days old from a mail store, a command like this works a treat): find ~user/Maildir -mtime +30 | xargs rm Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 A fake fortuneteller can be tolerated. But an authentic soothsayer should be shot on sight. Cassandra did not get half the kicking around she deserved. -- R.A. Heinlein ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
Wojciech Puchar wrote: the extra features of on exchange server some place (shared calendars etc), getting users to move away from Outhouse is a major security improvement and reduces most of the email tech support calls. i provide services for users, including mail services with IMAP access. and i often help users of my services how to configure their client programs (which is often not my duty) for free. but i don't help solving problems that people willingly create, FOR EXAMPLE by using Outlook for mail. other examples are using internet explorer, others are installing some magic firewalls and feeling secure instead of just stopping all windows network services and then running few really needed (often none). Other is using POP3 instead of IMAP, so no e-mails are kept on server side (and backed up by me daily) and then but thats problems they are willingly creating, and chance to get some cash providing data recovery services etc... people are allowed to be stupid. it's natural. no need to worry Sometimes managing calendars and corporate schedules can be a pain in the ass. I don't see how groups like Intel could do it any other way.. For smaller groups though, it isn't as necessary, yes.. Besides, I still like my Thunderbird / pine :). -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
Juha Saarinen wrote: Outlook has some good features, no doubt about that, but it's not a great IMAP client. Outlook Express is better - doesn't use Personal Storage Files that grow into insane sizes and suffer corruption, plus allows you to relocate Special Folders to the IMAP server, like Sent Messages and Drafts. You want to be able to do this, trust me. OE is also much quicker. Thunderbird has its own set of issues, but it's the best readily available IMAP client for Windows users currently. The latest beta of version 2.0 works rather nicely. It doesn't have the features corporate Outlook users expect though, like good contacts management, calendaring and ability to synch with mobile devices. If Outlook was a better IMAP client and could be coaxed into handling email properly without resorting to VBA hacks, I'd switch to it. Unfortunately however, Microsoft is turning a deaf ear to fixing those issues, and Outlook 2007 for instance has taken a few steps forward (better IMAP support) but also some backwards (quoting is badly broken by default). Bringing it back to FreeBSD, Outlook will work with any old IMAP server. Just not as well as other clients. Unforunately you (and many others on the list) have missed the point I think. The OP said that he was stuck with outlook because of his pda syncing, and there definitely isn't a means available (or at least a good, popular one -- I know I'm inviting flames from KDE / Gnome lovers..), in Unix for PDA syncing because everyone chooses Windows. Bleh.. Even OSX doesn't have a good mobile device syncing tool and it's lightyears ahead of what Gnome and KDE have in some respects. I honestly would use another client for your mail though, since Gmail's pop3 service (while nice) is less than to be desired.. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
On 2/27/07, Garrett Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unforunately you (and many others on the list) have missed the point I think. The OP said that he was stuck with outlook because of his pda syncing, and there definitely isn't a means available (or at least a good, popular one -- I know I'm inviting flames from KDE / Gnome lovers..), in Unix for PDA syncing because everyone chooses Windows. Bleh.. Even OSX doesn't have a good mobile device syncing tool and it's lightyears ahead of what Gnome and KDE have in some respects. I wasn't responding to the OP, but to everyone else as Outlook appears to be on-topic for FreeBSD-questions now :). Agree about the PDA/phone syncing. It's a surprisingly useful thing to have. -- Juha http://www.geekzone.co.nz/juha ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007, Juha Saarinen wrote: On 2/27/07, Garrett Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unforunately you (and many others on the list) have missed the point I think. The OP said that he was stuck with outlook because of his pda syncing, and there definitely isn't a means available (or at least a good, popular one -- I know I'm inviting flames from KDE / Gnome lovers..), in Unix for PDA syncing because everyone chooses Windows. Bleh.. Even OSX doesn't have a good mobile device syncing tool and it's lightyears ahead of what Gnome and KDE have in some respects. I glad I didn't know that after dropping my last cell phone in the crapper. The display was toast, but it was alive enough that I could use iSync on my OS X box to grab all the phone info and load it into my new phone. If I had known that OS X didn't have this capability, I couldn't have done this. FWIW, this was about three years ago. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software, LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 If taxation without consent is robbery, the United States government has never had, has not now, and is never likely to have, a single honest dollar in its treasury. -- Lysander Spooner, Letter to Grover Cleveland 1886 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
I am using the default FreeBSD IMAP server in FreeBSD. It works great with thunderbird, but Outlook is not able to log in even though I have Secure Authentication checked. Any ideas? -- Chris Maness (909) 223-9179 http://www.chrismaness.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
On 2/26/07, Chris Maness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am using the default FreeBSD IMAP server in FreeBSD. It works great with thunderbird, but Outlook is not able to log in even though I have Secure Authentication checked. Any ideas? Do you mean Secure Password Authentication or SPA? Don't use that, as it's a Microsoft proprietary authentication method. -- Juha http://www.geekzone.co.nz/juha ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
Juha Saarinen wrote: On 2/26/07, Chris Maness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am using the default FreeBSD IMAP server in FreeBSD. It works great with thunderbird, but Outlook is not able to log in even though I have Secure Authentication checked. Any ideas? Do you mean Secure Password Authentication or SPA? Don't use that, as it's a Microsoft proprietary authentication method. How do I use the Cram-MD5 passwords with Outlook? Or do I have to go plain text? Thanks, -- Chris Maness (909) 223-9179 http://www.chrismaness.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Outlook With FreeBSD IMAP
On 2/26/07, Chris Maness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I use the Cram-MD5 passwords with Outlook? Or do I have to go plain text? Off-topic for FreeBSD-Questions but I don't believe Outlook supports CRAM-MD5 out of the box. -- Juha http://www.geekzone.co.nz/juha ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
