Re: GUI for gpart
On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 08:58:06 -0400, Carmel wrote: I have heard, although I never personally saw it, a GUI for gpart I heard that there exists one for Linux. Is there any comparable one for FreeBSD and comparable with KDE? I'd suggest to look into the PC-BSD installer and the utilities that come with that system. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI for gpart
I have heard, although I never personally saw it, a GUI for gpart I heard that there exists one for Linux. Is there any comparable one for FreeBSD and comparable with KDE? no idea. If you want it with already installed system, try to compile linux software. Anyway i see no reason for such a software, click-click solutions are always inefficient relative to normal text based ones, and partitioning is not a job that end user (who want click-click interfaces at all cost) is supposed to do ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI for gpart
2012/7/7 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: I have heard, although I never personally saw it, a GUI for gpart I heard that there exists one for Linux. Is there any comparable one for FreeBSD and comparable with KDE? no idea. If you want it with already installed system, try to compile linux software. Anyway i see no reason for such a software, click-click solutions are always inefficient relative to normal text based ones, and partitioning is not a job that end user (who want click-click interfaces at all cost) is supposed to do What happened to the idea of having a choice ? If you want to keep living in the 80's with a text based menu, go ahead, I prefer a click solution. And I see no reason why a click solution is always inefficient. That depends on the programmer making the interface. I'm a desktop user. So I should mind my own business and shut up because some old (or senior if you prefer) server guy has a problem using a mouse ? No thanks ! I prefer to live in 2012 and use the technical means of nowadays. No flames intended, just my opinion (which has nothing to do with the original question, I know). Beni. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: GUI for gpart
-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar Sent: 07 July 2012 14:50 To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: GUI for gpart I have heard, although I never personally saw it, a GUI for gpart I heard that there exists one for Linux. Is there any comparable one for FreeBSD and comparable with KDE? no idea. If you want it with already installed system, try to compile linux software. Anyway i see no reason for such a software, click-click solutions are always inefficient relative to normal text based ones, and partitioning is not a job that end user (who want click-click interfaces at all cost) is supposed to do ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Perhaps your English phrasing loses something in translation, but your opinions are always presented in a way that you are correct and the rest of the world is just wrong. As for the original question have a look at the gparted live cd, full GUI support on that so you might be able to get that running, off the top of my head I am not sure about UFS support. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI for gpart
What happened to the idea of having a choice ? If you want to keep living in the 80's with a text based menu, go ahead, I prefer a click not only me but anyone that wants productivity do live in 80's text based interfaces or even 60-70's command line interfaces. These are facts. And partition editor are not supposed to be used by end users. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI for gpart
On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 08:58:06 -0400, Carmel wrote: I have heard, although I never personally saw it, a GUI for gpart I heard that there exists one for Linux. Is there any comparable one for FreeBSD and comparable with KDE? I think gpart is the newer disk partitioning program for FreeBSD, replacing the older gpt still used in NetBSD and DragonFlyBSD. gpart in FreeBSD supports partition types suitable mainly for FreeBSD as opposed to more general, including Linux and other BSD. So I wouldn't expect to find gpart in Linux, though there is a more general gdisk, by Rod Smith: http://rodsbooks.com/gdisk/ But I don't think there is any GUI for gdisk. I believe the latest release is 0.8.5; gdisk is also in FreeBSD ports, latest version there being 0.8.2 as far as I know. Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI for gpart
On 07/07/2012 23:04, Thomas Mueller wrote: I think gpart is the newer disk partitioning program for FreeBSD, replacing the older gpt still used in NetBSD and DragonFlyBSD. No. gpart is the tool - it supports both mbr and gpt partitioning schemes. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: GUI for gpart
Perhaps your English phrasing loses something in translation, but your opinions are always presented in a way that you are correct and the rest of the world is just wrong. what you expect - to assume i am wrong and everyone else is right. if i assume so i don't present such opinion naturally. As for the original question have a look at the gparted live cd, full GUI no idea how it is freebsd related. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI for gpart
On 07/07/2012 23:08, Bruce Cran wrote: On 07/07/2012 23:04, Thomas Mueller wrote: I think gpart is the newer disk partitioning program for FreeBSD, replacing the older gpt still used in NetBSD and DragonFlyBSD. No. gpart is the tool - it supports both mbr and gpt partitioning schemes. Sorry you're right - I've seen lots of people thinking gpart only supports GPT and didn't read it properly before replying. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Gui CD soft recommend
I know St. Peter won't call your name, freebsd-questions! 2011/03/30 22:00:14 +0100 Graham Bentley ad...@cpcnw.co.uk = To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org : GB Which GUI CD writing software can you recommend [less dependencies = better] tkdvd should use it patched for -joliet-long ever. 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Gui CD soft recommend
Thanks for your several considered replies 1) If you're already got KDE libs, k3b / k3b-kde4 is pretty light 2) I find that Gnome has pretty good built-in support 3) Polytropon as 1,2 mostly I shoud have been more specific. Im running xorg with vtwm and trying to stay light / minimal as possible. Burncd is fine for alot of jobs but not whilst eating toast. xcdroast seems somewhat dated / clunky and is currently reporting that theres no disc in drive even though I can mount said disc manually [although it has worked for me in past] so I was wondering what other light users are doing? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Gui CD soft recommend
Try tkdvd. It is in ports tree (sysutils/tkdvd) -- Gökşin Akdeniz (Gökşin Akdeniz) goksin.akde...@gmail.com Anahtar parmakizi/key fingerprint= FE10 8C14 A144 4FDE BE18 D5E3 E758 F49A 8A5D F8AE [Son kullanma tarihi/expire date: 2011-06-08] signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Gui CD soft recommend
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 4:10 AM, Gökşin Akdeniz goksin.akde...@gmail.com wrote: Try tkdvd. It is in ports tree (sysutils/tkdvd) -- Gökşin Akdeniz (Gökşin Akdeniz) goksin.akde...@gmail.com Anahtar parmakizi/key fingerprint= FE10 8C14 A144 4FDE BE18 D5E3 E758 F49A 8A5D F8AE [Son kullanma tarihi/expire date: 2011-06-08] While not a GUI it's minimilistic, give bashburn a shot Port: bashburn-2.1.2_2 Path: /usr/ports/sysutils/bashburn Info: CD burning bash script -- Port: mybashburn-1.0.2_2 Path: /usr/ports/sysutils/mybashburn Info: Ncurses CD burning bash script Bashburn I've used before, Mybashburn I have not but it looks like the next elocutionary step for Bashburn if it does indeed function the same. Bashburn *IS* a collection of bash scripts that handle the cmdln apps directly (for you), all driven by a menu. -- Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Gui CD soft recommend
On Wed, 2011-03-30 at 22:00 +0100, Graham Bentley wrote: Which GUI CD writing software can you recommend [less dependencies = better] Depends on what you want to write. I find that Gnome has pretty good built-in support (both for writing ISO's and dysjoint files/directories). -- Cheers, Devin Teske - FUN STUFF - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version 3.12 GAT/CS/B/CC/E/IT/MC/M/MU/P/S/TW d+(++) s: a- C+++@$ UB$ P@$ L $ E- W+++ N? o? K? w@ O M++$ V- PS+++ PE@ Y+ PGP- t(+) 5? X(+) R(-) tv+ b +++ DI+ D+(++) G++ e h r+++ z+++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- Learn about the Geek Code: http://www.geekcode.com/ - LEGAL DISCLAIMER - This message contains confidential and proprietary information of the sender, and is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by any other person is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the e-mail sender immediately, and delete the original message without making a copy. - END TRANSMISSION - ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Gui CD soft recommend
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:00:14 +0100, Graham Bentley ad...@cpcnw.co.uk wrote: Which GUI CD writing software can you recommend [less dependencies = better] I don't know of a stand-alone GUI program, but all the big desktop environments have a favourite. The one provided by Gnome should work quite well, but if you're already using KDE, use the tools that come with it. I think the Xfce file manager also comes with the respective functionalities. In how far they depend on command line tools, I'm not sure. But in the realm of dependencies, those should be the smallest problem. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Gui CD soft recommend
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Graham Bentley ad...@cpcnw.co.uk wrote: Which GUI CD writing software can you recommend [less dependencies = better] If you're already got KDE libs, running sysutils/k3b or sysutils/k3b-kde4 is pretty light. It's feature set is comparable if not better than something like Nero. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On 23/09/2010 04:29, Jorge Biquez wrote: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez Locally, on the desktop I use windowmaker. It's fast, simple and very customisable. Loads of little wm apps to help you along. Thousands of themes, easily themeable. When I need a graphical environment remotely, I tunnel a vnc connection through ssh and the desktop there is blackbox. Simple colours, no eye candy. Reasonably responsive even through an ISDN connection. -- John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On 09/23/10 11:04, Mike Clarke wrote: That's very similar to my experience too but I'm getting the feeling that I might have to move over to KDE4 before much longer due to reduced KDE3 support with some of the apps: Same here. I delayed trying KDE4 since my old box was too old; as soon as I got a new one, I tried it. I too fear I'll have to move on sooner or later, the last bug being Kuickshow not working with EXA acceleration (which is the only one supported by my new GPU's driver). However, after trying KDE4, I think I'll start looking into Gnome or XFCE or whatever, before taking a decision. I really hope KDE4 will improve in the meanwhile, so maybe I can check it out again. BTW, one thing I absolutely won't live with is the lack of keyboard shortcuts: in KDE3 I run plain Konsole with Windows-K and with Windows-R I start a root console. This doesn't seem to be possible on KDE4, and no, a plasmoid on the desktop with a session menu is NOT the same thing. bye av. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On 09/23/10 18:22, Adam Vande More wrote: If you tried on KDE 4.1, 4.2, then yes things have improved a lot. 4.3 was pretty big update in terms of stability, and 4.4 has been far more solid than not. I tried 4.5.1 on 8.1/i386 with every port updated, on a 4-core AMD CPU with a Radeon HD 4200: _ base components continuosly crash; _ there were severe rendering problems (i.e. black areas sometimes instead of icons, windows not updating when moved, ecc...); _ I possibly had driver problems, with some accelerations not working (could not enable it in the system settings); _ and everything was not just slow, but *SLOW*; _ it messed so much with my hardware, that I could not switch back to KDE3 without a reboot (simply restarting the X server was not enough). I do not hold by breath for burning windows, rotating desktops or other fancy effects, but the system was plainly unusable. So, I appreciate the nice work, but I'll wait for some new version. If some developer needs some info or wants me to do some test, I still have everything installed, so I'll gladly help. bye av. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On 09/23/10 10:46, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Thursday, September 23, 2010 a las 09:36:03AM +0100, Frank Shute escribió: My belief is that people who are comfortable with Gnome/KDE are people who are familiar with working in a GUI such as Windows® and haven't come from the commandline. So, I am an exception. bye av. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010: I'm not too sure what you're asking certain window should be moved by default to specific workspaces. Since you read the man page I'm guessing you're not talking about changing which xterm is in focus. Focus moves by defualt to each new tem that you open (alt-shift-return). Maybe www.scrotwm.org will help. ___ Nope. The wiki doesn't present anything either. What I mean is for example when I launch Firefox, I want it to go to workspace 3. When I launch gimp, I want it on workspace 7. I can easily specify that in xmonad, using either the window class or window title. I don't want to have to move all these windows where I want them every time I log in. Ah . . . I see. I'm not aware af that being a feature in scrotwm. The only thing I can suggest is to join the forum and ask. Like I said, scrotwm actively maintained and the devs will (likely) respond quickly. As far as what they say, suggestions are welcome, but they have to be persuaded. Best of luck. -Neal Discussion on the scrotwm forum confirms that this capability does not exist in scrotwm. They logged a feature request on my behalf. That's reason enough for me to stick with xmonad, unless a compelling counter-argument in favor of scrotwm emerges. So far, I haven't seen one. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpCEQamEr1Wv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GUI Suggested?
Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 09:07:28PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/23/10 8:31 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). Why is written in C considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm developer(s)? Earlier today, I read this on the site: On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C. hahahahahahaha! What's up with that? How does Haskell cripple xmonad? In the end, you need not take yourself so seriously. The thread was generic enough to allow for some rhetorical flourish. I suggested something . . . pointed out that is written in C (as did the homepage) . . . AND you concluded some sort of insult; not my problem. Do you need a rim-shot for every joke? 1. Who said I took insult? You assume too much. 2. That was not a very clever joke, anyway. Where's the punchline? 3. That doesn't answer my question about the Scrotwm page. Even *I* am not so socially stunted as to think a comment like that on the Scrotwm site would not raise some eyebrows. Some? sure. In the end, scrotwm is a simple wm that allows the gui-apprehensive-type folk a nice CLI in X. That's all I was suggesting. Shave and a haircut . . . Chad? I don't think anyone was attacking you or your suggestion, Neal. I like what I see in scrotwm: copyfree license, lean approach, keyboard-centricity, minimalism. All good. It just doesn't have anything to pull me away from xmonad yet. Hope they keep up the good work. Regards, Chip -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpigFvGmiLFH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:29 AM, Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mx wrote: I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? Using fluxbox here for ages (used olvwm, ctwm, and fvwm[2] before. It's low overhead, very low cpu/disk/memory footprint, very fast and reasonabley easy to configure and customize. IMHO, KDE Gnome are too heavyweight, but that's really a matter of taste (and adequate hardware). Jorge Biquez Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
I love Fluxbox too for its lightweightness and configurability. If you find it too minimalistic, I think that XFCE can be a good compromise also since it runs quite fast compared to KDE and Gnome while having most of their functionalities. XFCE is also compatible with Compiz... On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:39 PM, C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:29 AM, Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mx wrote: I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? Using fluxbox here for ages (used olvwm, ctwm, and fvwm[2] before. It's low overhead, very low cpu/disk/memory footprint, very fast and reasonabley easy to configure and customize. IMHO, KDE Gnome are too heavyweight, but that's really a matter of taste (and adequate hardware). Jorge Biquez Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On 09/23/10 06:53, Adam Vande More wrote: As stated before, it's really a personal matter. I like kde4 a lot, ... It's also lighter and faster than KDE3. It's pretty stable too, but not completely so. Strange. After years of KDE3 I tried KDE4 and switched back in half a day. I found it crawling slowly, with continuous crashes, rendering bugs and missing features... Of course, YMMV. bye av. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
El día Thursday, September 23, 2010 a las 09:38:03AM +0200, Andrea Venturoli escribió: On 09/23/10 06:53, Adam Vande More wrote: As stated before, it's really a personal matter. I like kde4 a lot, ... It's also lighter and faster than KDE3. It's pretty stable too, but not completely so. Strange. After years of KDE3 I tried KDE4 and switched back in half a day. I found it crawling slowly, with continuous crashes, rendering bugs and missing features... I'm using KDE 3.5.10 which very solid and stable. In May 2009 I tried KDE4, in a test machine and found it unstable and not so intiutive as KDE3. So I droped the idea to move to KDE4. Just my 0.02 pesos cubanos matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Solidarity with the zionistic pirates of Israel? Not in my name! ¿Solidaridad con los piratas sionistas de Israel? ¡No en mi nombre! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:29:38PM -0500, Jorge Biquez wrote: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez I remember years ago that I first started using Linux in just the console and did so for about 6 months before I set up X. It was such a pleasure to get away from a GUI and to a CLI :) When I did set up X, I used fvwm as my WM for many years, then Blackbox and now Fluxbox. I like the *boxes and fvwm as they have simple text based configuration files and are easy to customise to one's own needs. I still just have a couple of xterms running under fluxbox and tend to launch a lot of programs from them. You might find a simple setup, as I've described above, comfortable for your needs rather than a full-blown desktop environment such as Gnome or KDE. My belief is that people who are comfortable with Gnome/KDE are people who are familiar with working in a GUI such as Windows® and haven't come from the commandline. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
El día Thursday, September 23, 2010 a las 09:36:03AM +0100, Frank Shute escribió: My belief is that people who are comfortable with Gnome/KDE are people who are familiar with working in a GUI such as Windows® and haven't come from the commandline. Totally wrong for me. I come from a UNIX like System which was driven in batch jos in /370 main frame by 80 column puch cards and later UNIX7 in just ASCII cmd terminals. See: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.unix.wizards/msg/98fc9de7c77bff59 Ofc, today I do most of my work in XTerm, like using now mutt (as you do) and vim to write this mail. matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Solidarity with the zionistic pirates of Israel? Not in my name! ¿Solidaridad con los piratas sionistas de Israel? ¡No en mi nombre! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Thursday 23 September 2010, Andrea Venturoli wrote: After years of KDE3 I tried KDE4 and switched back in half a day. I found it crawling slowly, with continuous crashes, rendering bugs and missing features... Of course, YMMV. That's very similar to my experience too but I'm getting the feeling that I might have to move over to KDE4 before much longer due to reduced KDE3 support with some of the apps: 1) There's a problem with gnupg 2.0.9 and Kgpg with KDE 3.5 which prevents kgpg parsing the keyring https://bugs.kde.org/188473. Apparently the code is totally different from what is in KDE4 and is scattered over several places so fixing this for KDE3 will (understandably) not be done. I've stuck with gnupg-2.0.9_3 which is still working OK but the recent removal of libassuan-1 causes a problem if I ever need to rebuild gnupg-2.0.9_3 2) kaffeine-1.0_1 now depends on some KDE4 libraries, I suspect other apps will follow in due course with the result that I'll start to see more bloat and potential conflicts. When I first tried KDE4 it was much slower than KDE3, have things improved sufficiently since then for me to think about upgrading? -- Mike Clarke ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:57 -0600, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Jorge Biquez wrote: I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? The Handbook covers setting up the three major desktop environments in http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11-wm.html. You don't have to choose one of those, there are lots of varied window managers, and advocates for each. There's an overview here on fd.o: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Desktops. Many of those are in ports. I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Personally, I currently use xfce as lighter than the other members of the big three, while still offering the features I want. But it really is very subjective. For various purposes, I've used GNOME, KDE, icewm, fluxbox, blackbox, and others. Ports make these all pretty easy to install. +1 for xfce as not requiring quite so much stuff to be installed as GNOME and KDE, but still having what I need. I also like the xfce Terminal. (Have used GNOME, seems fine to me; haven't tried KDE.) If you want to go really lightweight, fluxbox and blackbox, which I've used and liked, have already been mentioned. I haven't had any problem running GNOME on not-the-latest hardware (Athlon XP CPU, Nvidia 7600 AGP GPU), so if yours is equivalent or newer, I don't know that performance will be a concern for any of the desktops. At that point it's just what feels most natural - what makes your most frequently-used apps and utilities quickly available to you, what interface seems easiest to work with, etc. Jud -- I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day. - Douglas Adams ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:29:38 -0500, Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mx wrote: I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? For many years now, I am happily using WindowMaker as my main desktop. It can be configured easily and does STAY OUT OF YOUR WAY, means it SUPPORTS you with the actions you intendedly want to take, so you can do whatever you want instead of messing with the window manager. It's also very lightweight. I've also tried tiling window managers, but their magic sadly didn't open up to me. Another lightweight, allthough obsolete (but still powerful) GUI is XFCE. When I write XFCE, I mean XFCE version 3. If I would mean Xfce 4, I would write Xfce. :-) A highly customizable and still quite professional environment is fvwm2. You can add as much stuff as you like, but you can also switch off all annoying things. I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) I still have a 300 MHz P2 with XFCE 3 that does *ALL* you just mentioned, and it does it fine. Keep in mind that your choice of window manager (or even full desktop environment) may depend on which applications you're using. For example, if you find KDE's applications best, you will probably want to use them with KDE, allthough you could also use them with Gnome, or even with WindowMaker (as I sometimes do for the two KDE programs I occassionally have to use). On the other hand, if the Gnome set of applications fits your needs better, go with Gnome. Internationalisation and language support can also be a thing to consider. In the past, I was often disappointed with KDE's sloppy and missing translations; as a German, I tried the german variant, but found that it is not very well supported - that was in KDE 3, maybe KDE 4 is better. Gnome in fact *had* a much better german language support. Finally, I switched all back to english (except OpenOffice) because the NATIVE language of the system and the applications is better than anything else. Finally, choosing a GUI may really be a trial error path. And if your need change, your choice may change, too. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Quoth Jorge Biquez on Wednesday, 22 September 2010: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org After trying a few different WMs, I settled on xmonad. It's minimalist -- meaning it stays out of your way. It's also highly configurable, in Haskell. It's lightweight and fast. It's a developer's WM. I haven't been at all attracted to the various desktop managers: KDE, GNOME, etc. What do you get for all that weight? -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpqDsl8mL8Ej.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 09:57:46PM -0600, Warren Block wrote: You don't have to choose one of those, there are lots of varied window managers, and advocates for each. There's an overview here on fd.o: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Desktops. Many of those are in ports. That's a much shorter list than I would have expected to find. This offers an incomplete (but longer) list of window managers, all of which are copyfree licensed: http://copyfree.org/software/#WM What I have been using for a few years is actually first in alphabetical order there -- AHWM. It is quite minimal and fast, with great keyboard shortcut support (a necessity, given that it's intended to be primarily keyboard driven). A much more comprehensive list of window managers is the Comprehensive List of Window Managers for Unix: http://www.gilesorr.com/wm/table.html KDE, GNOME, and XFCE are more than window managers -- they are desktop environments. Some people like that kind of bloat . . . err, I mean that kind of feature-richness. Other examples include GNUstep (which uses WindowMaker as its default window manager) and Enlightenment. If I *had* to choose a complete DE, rather than just a window manager, I'd probably go with Enlightenment. Since I don't have to, though, I stick with something *truly* lightweight like AHWM. Your mileage may vary, of course. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgp1WjJ6Jjn6v.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Mike Clarke jmc-freeb...@milibyte.co.ukwrote: When I first tried KDE4 it was much slower than KDE3, have things improved sufficiently since then for me to think about upgrading? If you tried on KDE 4.1, 4.2, then yes things have improved a lot. 4.3 was pretty big update in terms of stability, and 4.4 has been far more solid than not. All the base KDE apps seem to work appropriately, at least the ones I use. However in my use while KDE4 was unstable early, it was always faster than 3 at least when an app wasn't hung ;). Also for me, I went back and forth between 3 and 4 several times before finally sticking with 4. The UI does take some getting used too. Perhaps another part of the stability question is I don't turn on any of the fancy eye-candy effects. I don't use KDE because of the way it looks, I use it because it allows me to work in a efficient manner. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Thursday 23 September 2010, Adam Vande More wrote: If you tried on KDE 4.1, 4.2, then yes things have improved a lot. 4.3 was pretty big update in terms of stability, and 4.4 has been far more solid than not. All the base KDE apps seem to work appropriately, at least the ones I use. However in my use while KDE4 was unstable early, it was always faster than 3 at least when an app wasn't hung ;). Also for me, I went back and forth between 3 and 4 several times before finally sticking with 4. The UI does take some getting used too. I think the version I tried was 4.3.1 so it looks like it might be worth giving 4.4 a try on my spare partition. My other problem with upgrading KDE is that I'd like to run both versions for a while until I'm happy, dual booting into one of 2 different FreeBSD systems but using the same /home partition. KMail seems to use different directories for storing mail for versions 3 and 4 so how do I go about being able to access all my mail from both systems? -- Mike Clarke ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Jorge Biquez on Wednesday, 22 September 2010: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org After trying a few different WMs, I settled on xmonad. It's minimalist -- meaning it stays out of your way. It's also highly configurable, in Haskell. It's lightweight and fast. It's a developer's WM. If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Jorge Biquez on Wednesday, 22 September 2010: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org After trying a few different WMs, I settled on xmonad. It's minimalist -- meaning it stays out of your way. It's also highly configurable, in Haskell. It's lightweight and fast. It's a developer's WM. If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org scrotwm does look interesting -- I read through the man page, but couldn't find a way to specify that certain windows should be moved by default to specific workspaces. Can that be done? -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpJ60GALSc7k.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Jorge Biquez on Wednesday, 22 September 2010: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org After trying a few different WMs, I settled on xmonad. It's minimalist -- meaning it stays out of your way. It's also highly configurable, in Haskell. It's lightweight and fast. It's a developer's WM. If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org scrotwm does look interesting -- I read through the man page, but couldn't find a way to specify that certain windows should be moved by default to specific workspaces. Can that be done? I'm not too sure what you're asking certain window should be moved by default to specific workspaces. Since you read the man page I'm guessing you're not talking about changing which xterm is in focus. Focus moves by defualt to each new tem that you open (alt-shift-return). Maybe www.scrotwm.org will help. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Jorge Biquez on Wednesday, 22 September 2010: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Thanks in advance Jorge Biquez ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org After trying a few different WMs, I settled on xmonad. It's minimalist -- meaning it stays out of your way. It's also highly configurable, in Haskell. It's lightweight and fast. It's a developer's WM. If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org scrotwm does look interesting -- I read through the man page, but couldn't find a way to specify that certain windows should be moved by default to specific workspaces. Can that be done? I'm not too sure what you're asking certain window should be moved by default to specific workspaces. Since you read the man page I'm guessing you're not talking about changing which xterm is in focus. Focus moves by defualt to each new tem that you open (alt-shift-return). Maybe www.scrotwm.org will help. ___ Nope. The wiki doesn't present anything either. What I mean is for example when I launch Firefox, I want it to go to workspace 3. When I launch gimp, I want it on workspace 7. I can easily specify that in xmonad, using either the window class or window title. I don't want to have to move all these windows where I want them every time I log in. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgprtWAYpPu9X.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 23 September 2010: I'm not too sure what you're asking certain window should be moved by default to specific workspaces. Since you read the man page I'm guessing you're not talking about changing which xterm is in focus. Focus moves by defualt to each new tem that you open (alt-shift-return). Maybe www.scrotwm.org will help. ___ Nope. The wiki doesn't present anything either. What I mean is for example when I launch Firefox, I want it to go to workspace 3. When I launch gimp, I want it on workspace 7. I can easily specify that in xmonad, using either the window class or window title. I don't want to have to move all these windows where I want them every time I log in. Ah . . . I see. I'm not aware af that being a feature in scrotwm. The only thing I can suggest is to join the forum and ask. Like I said, scrotwm actively maintained and the devs will (likely) respond quickly. As far as what they say, suggestions are welcome, but they have to be persuaded. Best of luck. -Neal ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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If you prefer terminal applications you may get happy with blackbox. Its one of the smallest, but fully functional GUIs. And it is still kosher according to Unix standards. Its my favorite, I even prefer it to fluxbox, what is a little fancier. Cheers herb langhans -- sprachtraining langhans herbert langhans, warschau herbert.raimundatgmx.net http://www.langhans.com.pl +0048 603 341 441 | jabber:herbs | icq:414500866 | yahoo_im:herbert.raimund ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On 22 September 2010 23:29, Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mx wrote: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) x11/xorg x11-wm/evilwm www/opera x11/rxvt echo evilwm -term rxvt -bw 2 ~/.xinitrc echo rxvt ~/.xinitrc google docs seems to work okay for _most_ of the junk that gets shoved down the tubes. There is no port for it, but theoretically you can compile siag office from sources. -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). Why is written in C considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm developer(s)? Earlier today, I read this on the site: On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C. What's up with that? How does Haskell cripple xmonad? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpWhokOr90bo.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 23 September 2010: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). Why is written in C considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm developer(s)? Earlier today, I read this on the site: On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C. What's up with that? How does Haskell cripple xmonad? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] I wondered the same thing myself. Haskell is compiled, and the result is very efficient. I also wondered why the mentions about being actively maintained -- it seems to me that xmonad gets updated pretty regularly. But I'm willing to give it a look. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpYQR1NSyG5D.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On 9/23/10 8:31 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). Why is written in C considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm developer(s)? Earlier today, I read this on the site: On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C. What's up with that? How does Haskell cripple xmonad? My interpretation is that if you will be compiling software for a UNIX-like system, you will probably have some variant of a C compiler already available. Read as just build it and go versus just build its dependencies, then build it and go. Cheers, -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/23/10 8:31 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). Why is written in C considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm developer(s)? Earlier today, I read this on the site: On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C. hahahahahahaha! What's up with that? How does Haskell cripple xmonad? In the end, you need not take yourself so seriously. The thread was generic enough to allow for some rhetorical flourish. I suggested something . . . pointed out that is written in C (as did the homepage) . . . AND you concluded some sort of insult; not my problem. Do you need a rim-shot for every joke? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 23 September 2010: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). Why is written in C considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm developer(s)? Earlier today, I read this on the site: On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C. What's up with that? How does Haskell cripple xmonad? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] I wondered the same thing myself. Haskell is compiled, and the result is very efficient. I also wondered why the mentions about being actively maintained -- it seems to me that xmonad gets updated pretty regularly. I only mention scrotwm's active development, not to compare it's development to xmonad's, but to point out that your issues will be taken seriously . . . in a timely manner. . . not that they won't be take seriously in the xmonad setting. Please, use xmonad if it meets your requirements. I apologise for suggesting something. Chad P., take a pill ;-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 09:07:28PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/23/10 8:31 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). Why is written in C considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm developer(s)? Earlier today, I read this on the site: On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C. hahahahahahaha! What's up with that? How does Haskell cripple xmonad? In the end, you need not take yourself so seriously. The thread was generic enough to allow for some rhetorical flourish. I suggested something . . . pointed out that is written in C (as did the homepage) . . . AND you concluded some sort of insult; not my problem. Do you need a rim-shot for every joke? 1. Who said I took insult? You assume too much. 2. That was not a very clever joke, anyway. Where's the punchline? 3. That doesn't answer my question about the Scrotwm page. Even *I* am not so socially stunted as to think a comment like that on the Scrotwm site would not raise some eyebrows. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpWwsil6KpeG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 09:07:28PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/23/10 8:31 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:24:58PM -0500, Neal Hogan wrote: If you like xmonad, check out scrotwm. It's inspired by xmonad, lightweight, written in C by oBSD dev, actively maintained, and vim-like (among other things ;-). Why is written in C considered such a great benefit by the Scrotwm developer(s)? Earlier today, I read this on the site: On the other hand xmonad has great defaults, key bindings and xinerama support but is crippled by not being written in C. hahahahahahaha! What's up with that? How does Haskell cripple xmonad? In the end, you need not take yourself so seriously. The thread was generic enough to allow for some rhetorical flourish. I suggested something . . . pointed out that is written in C (as did the homepage) . . . AND you concluded some sort of insult; not my problem. Do you need a rim-shot for every joke? 1. Who said I took insult? You assume too much. 2. That was not a very clever joke, anyway. Where's the punchline? 3. That doesn't answer my question about the Scrotwm page. Even *I* am not so socially stunted as to think a comment like that on the Scrotwm site would not raise some eyebrows. Some? sure. In the end, scrotwm is a simple wm that allows the gui-apprehensive-type folk a nice CLI in X. That's all I was suggesting. Shave and a haircut . . . Chad? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Jorge Biquez wrote: I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? The Handbook covers setting up the three major desktop environments in http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11-wm.html. You don't have to choose one of those, there are lots of varied window managers, and advocates for each. There's an overview here on fd.o: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Desktops. Many of those are in ports. I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) Personally, I currently use xfce as lighter than the other members of the big three, while still offering the features I want. But it really is very subjective. For various purposes, I've used GNOME, KDE, icewm, fluxbox, blackbox, and others. Ports make these all pretty easy to install. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI Suggested?
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Jorge Biquez jbiq...@intranet.com.mxwrote: Hello all. In all these years I have been working with FreeBSd under terminal/shell mode. Since all my needs to solve have been solved that way I have never tried any graphical interface. I was wondering if you can tell suggest me based on yoru experience on what path to follow? KDE? any other? I would like to test what you suggest is the best for you and if possible that it is not TOO complicated to setup. The idea is to use it as my desktop plattfor (documents, browser, email, etc) As stated before, it's really a personal matter. I like kde4 a lot, especially konsole and konqueror. konsole seems to have a great blend of features(monitor for activity, etc.) and integration with other KDE apps as a snap-in. Basically things like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCL_6YNgc8w make it a breeze to keep separate groups for each item your working on. Konqueror runs firefox plugins, and supports the fish protocol which I occasionally find useful. It's also lighter and faster than KDE3. It's pretty stable too, but not completely so. Once in awhile a KDE4 will get hung like krdc and I'll have to restart rather than track down the issue. I guess I reboot my desktop on average once a month due to things like that so it's acceptable for me. You can use the handbook method of installing KDE4(which is much, much faster) or my method of installing: http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-po...@freebsd.org/msg25856.html Looking at my old post again, I notice I didn't include kde4 in the build. That would be this: portmaster --no-confirm -d /usr/ports/x11/kde4 #you make wish to add --no-confirm to the other portmaster commands as it's behaviour has changed. So it's not too hard to get it on your system. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI for ACL
In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 319, Issue 9, Message: 24 On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 07:26:18 -0400 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:17:25 +0530 Ashish SHUKLA ash...@freebsd.org articulated: I've not used KDE since they released KDE 4, but IIRC, KDE 3.5.x used to have ACL support integrated in it[1] by default. Are you sure there isn't any such setting you probably missing during compilation in KDE 4.x ? References: [1] http://www.flickr.com/photos/wahjava/507889368/#/ No really. You cannot add users or change individual user's permissions via KDE's default file browser. Obviously, I can accomplish most of what I want to do from the command line, abet more slowly and error prone. Does that represent a regression in KDE4 from KDE3.5.x? Having read up on a few Googled items, it appears that FreeBSD has not matured sufficiently yet to allow full integration of ACLs. Supposedly, 9.x will offer better integration. Integration with what? KDE? Perhaps I googled a little harder Jerry, but thanks to Robert Watson's TrustedBSD framework, FreeBSD has supported POSIX 1.e ACLs since 5.1 and NFSv4 ACLs in 8-STABLE for quite a while now; they'll be in 8.1-RELEASE for both UFS and ZFS filesystems. Maybe it's the predominantly Linux-centric KDE that has not yet matured sufficiently to include support for FreeBSD ACLs? As Carmel memtioned, the (as usual) excellent article by Dru Lavigne on using FreeBSD ACLs at http://onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/09/22/FreeBSD_Basics.html demonstrated using Gnome's Nautilus enhanced by the port sysutils/eiciel - in 2005. Among the many other useful results from googling 'FreeBSD ACLs': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_control_list http://wiki.freebsd.org/NFSv4_ACLs http://wiki.freebsd.org/Releng/8.1TODO/ cheers, Ian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI for ACL
On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:04:56 +1000 (EST) Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au articulated: In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 319, Issue 9, Message: 24 On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 07:26:18 -0400 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:17:25 +0530 Ashish SHUKLA ash...@freebsd.org articulated: I've not used KDE since they released KDE 4, but IIRC, KDE 3.5.x used to have ACL support integrated in it[1] by default. Are you sure there isn't any such setting you probably missing during compilation in KDE 4.x ? References: [1] http://www.flickr.com/photos/wahjava/507889368/#/ No really. You cannot add users or change individual user's permissions via KDE's default file browser. Obviously, I can accomplish most of what I want to do from the command line, abet more slowly and error prone. Does that represent a regression in KDE4 from KDE3.5.x? Having read up on a few Googled items, it appears that FreeBSD has not matured sufficiently yet to allow full integration of ACLs. Supposedly, 9.x will offer better integration. Integration with what? KDE? Perhaps I googled a little harder Jerry, but thanks to Robert Watson's TrustedBSD framework, FreeBSD has supported POSIX 1.e ACLs since 5.1 and NFSv4 ACLs in 8-STABLE for quite a while now; they'll be in 8.1-RELEASE for both UFS and ZFS filesystems. Maybe it's the predominantly Linux-centric KDE that has not yet matured sufficiently to include support for FreeBSD ACLs? As Carmel memtioned, the (as usual) excellent article by Dru Lavigne on using FreeBSD ACLs at http://onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/09/22/FreeBSD_Basics.html demonstrated using Gnome's Nautilus enhanced by the port sysutils/eiciel - in 2005. Among the many other useful results from googling 'FreeBSD ACLs': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_control_list http://wiki.freebsd.org/NFSv4_ACLs http://wiki.freebsd.org/Releng/8.1TODO/ Per wiki: support so called POSIX.1e ACLs, based on an early POSIX draft that was abandoned. My original statement is still valid, FreeBSD has still not released a stable version of its OS that fully supports the latest acl standards. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ It is hard to believe that a man is telling the truth when you know that you would lie if you were in his place. H. L. Mencken ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI for AC
In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 319, Issue 10, Message: 18 On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 07:48:38 -0400 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:04:56 +1000 (EST) Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au articulated: In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 319, Issue 9, Message: 24 On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 07:26:18 -0400 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:17:25 +0530 Ashish SHUKLA ash...@freebsd.org articulated: I've not used KDE since they released KDE 4, but IIRC, KDE 3.5.x used to have ACL support integrated in it[1] by default. Are you sure there isn't any such setting you probably missing during compilation in KDE 4.x ? References: [1] http://www.flickr.com/photos/wahjava/507889368/#/ No really. You cannot add users or change individual user's permissions via KDE's default file browser. Obviously, I can accomplish most of what I want to do from the command line, abet more slowly and error prone. Does that represent a regression in KDE4 from KDE3.5.x? Does anybody know if this is or is not the case with KDE4? Having read up on a few Googled items, it appears that FreeBSD has not matured sufficiently yet to allow full integration of ACLs. Supposedly, 9.x will offer better integration. Integration with what? KDE? Perhaps I googled a little harder Jerry, but thanks to Robert Watson's TrustedBSD framework, FreeBSD has supported POSIX 1.e ACLs since 5.1 and NFSv4 ACLs in 8-STABLE for quite a while now; they'll be in 8.1-RELEASE for both UFS and ZFS filesystems. Maybe it's the predominantly Linux-centric KDE that has not yet matured sufficiently to include support for FreeBSD ACLs? As Carmel memtioned, the (as usual) excellent article by Dru Lavigne on using FreeBSD ACLs at http://onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/09/22/FreeBSD_Basics.html demonstrated using Gnome's Nautilus enhanced by the port sysutils/eiciel - in 2005. Among the many other useful results from googling 'FreeBSD ACLs': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_control_list http://wiki.freebsd.org/NFSv4_ACLs http://wiki.freebsd.org/Releng/8.1TODO/ Per wiki: support so called POSIX.1e ACLs, based on an early POSIX draft that was abandoned. Let's have that quote from the wikipedia page in a little more context: Most of the Unix and Unix-like operating systems (e.g. Linux,[1] BSD, or Solaris) support so called POSIX.1e ACLs, based on an early POSIX draft that was abandoned. Many of them, for example AIX, Mac OS X beginning with version 10.4 (Tiger), or Solaris with ZFS filesystem[2], support NFSv4 ACLs, which are part of the NFSv4 standard. FreeBSD 9-CURRENT supports NFSv4 ACLs on both UFS and ZFS file systems; full support is expected to be backported to version 8.1[3]. There is an experimental implementation of NFSv4 ACLs for Linux.[4] My original statement is still valid, FreeBSD has still not released a stable version of its OS that fully supports the latest acl standards. Ignoring the fact that anyone running 8-STABLE has had these for a good while, yes, that will be true of FreeBSD -RELEASE versions for days or perhaps weeks yet, regarding the newer NFSv4 ACLs. Can you provide a link to where 'the latest ACL standards' are defined, and say which, if any, OS you consider 'fully integrated' with them? Thanks, Ian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI for AC
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 01:22:52AM +1000, Ian Smith wrote: In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 319, Issue 10, Message: 18 On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 07:48:38 -0400 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: Per wiki: support so called POSIX.1e ACLs, based on an early POSIX draft that was abandoned. Let's have that quote from the wikipedia page in a little more context: Most of the Unix and Unix-like operating systems (e.g. Linux,[1] BSD, or Solaris) support so called POSIX.1e ACLs, based on an early POSIX draft that was abandoned. Many of them, for example AIX, Mac OS X beginning with version 10.4 (Tiger), or Solaris with ZFS filesystem[2], support NFSv4 ACLs, which are part of the NFSv4 standard. FreeBSD 9-CURRENT supports NFSv4 ACLs on both UFS and ZFS file systems; full support is expected to be backported to version 8.1[3]. There is an experimental implementation of NFSv4 ACLs for Linux.[4] My original statement is still valid, FreeBSD has still not released a stable version of its OS that fully supports the latest acl standards. Ignoring the fact that anyone running 8-STABLE has had these for a good while, yes, that will be true of FreeBSD -RELEASE versions for days or perhaps weeks yet, regarding the newer NFSv4 ACLs. Can you provide a link to where 'the latest ACL standards' are defined, and say which, if any, OS you consider 'fully integrated' with them? I don't think Jerry will be able to do so, because there is no set of latest ACL standards defined. The closest thing to an actual standard outside of the NFS standard is the abandoned standard for POSIX.1e ACLs, so far as I'm aware. Meanwhile, for Linux-based systems, there is also only an experimental implementation of the NFSv4 ACLs (as your quote points out). Perhaps Jerry thinks that AIX, MacOS X, or Solaris is The Best Unix, or perhaps he simply is not aware of the actual state of things in the world of ACLs. I suppose it's possible that I'm ignorant of some important detail, instead. If so, I hope someone will educate me on the subject. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgprdjOUgsnhp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GUI for ACL
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:17:25 +0530 Ashish SHUKLA ash...@freebsd.org articulated: I've not used KDE since they released KDE 4, but IIRC, KDE 3.5.x used to have ACL support integrated in it[1] by default. Are you sure there isn't any such setting you probably missing during compilation in KDE 4.x ? References: [1] http://www.flickr.com/photos/wahjava/507889368/#/ No really. You cannot add users or change individual user's permissions via KDE's default file browser. Obviously, I can accomplish most of what I want to do from the command line, abet more slowly and error prone. Having read up on a few Googled items, it appears that FreeBSD has not matured sufficiently yet to allow full integration of ACLs. Supposedly, 9.x will offer better integration. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: GUI for ACL
Carmel writes: I am looking for a GUI to manage ACL's. I have heard about Eiciel; however, I was told it only works with 'nautilus'. I was looking for a stand alone type of program if one was available. I am presently using KDE for a desktop if that makes any difference. I've not used KDE since they released KDE 4, but IIRC, KDE 3.5.x used to have ACL support integrated in it[1] by default. Are you sure there isn't any such setting you probably missing during compilation in KDE 4.x ? References: [1] http://www.flickr.com/photos/wahjava/507889368/#/ HTH -- Ashish SHUKLA | GPG: F682 CDCC 39DC 0FEA E116 20B6 C746 CFA9 E74F A4B0 freebsd.org!ashish | http://people.freebsd.org/~ashish/ “Digital files cannot be made uncopyable, any more than water can be made not wet.” (Bruce Schneier, 2001-05-15) pgpNdp0amed2N.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GUI
Monty Pyth schrieb: I am running a Freebsd 6.2 server. How do I get a GUI going? Either GNOME or KDE. I know I have to startx and then I am a little confused. I want to be able to view phpmyadmin in a GUI. Thanks. Hi! Create a .xinitrc in your /home/username and fill it with exec startkde. If you log into your box with X already started then do the same with .xsession. Have fun! Greetings Frank ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI
2009/11/23 Monty Pyth freebsdn...@yahoo.com I am running a Freebsd 6.2 server. How do I get a GUI going? Either GNOME or KDE. I know I have to startx and then I am a little confused. I want to be able to view phpmyadmin in a GUI. Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org if the box is a server dont install X on it to view phpmyadmin, you just need apache and then point your web browser from your desktop at the servers ip. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI for file permissions management
2009/11/19 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com: Someone asked me recently whether a GUI for file permissions management Anything like: mc, worker, rox, etc? -- Thomas Adam ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI for file permissions management
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 08:22:17AM +, Thomas Adam wrote: 2009/11/19 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com: Someone asked me recently whether a GUI for file permissions management Anything like: mc, worker, rox, etc? Those are all filesystem browsers/managers -- right? I've already told the person who asked that many such applications have that kind of functionality. In my initial question to this list, I said: I know that some filesystem browser applications like Nautilus provide at least some of that kind of functionality, but wondered if there was a somewhat simple, stand-alone GUI that covered that kind of thing out there. Do you know if there's anything like *that* available, rather than an entire filesystem browser/manager application that just happens to also have a way to change permissions on files and directories? Also . . . do any of the applications you mentioned provide a way to manage things like umasks or home directory default permissions? In my original post to this list, I had also mentioned that sort of thing: login.conf or adduser.conf configuration . . . though I'm not holding my breath on that. I rather suspect managing umasks in login.conf and user directory default permissions in adduser.conf is not something anyone has bothered to incorporate in a GUI interface. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpq4y6aK2tyW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GUI for file permissions management
2009/11/19 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com: Those are all filesystem browsers/managers -- right? I've already told the person who asked that many such applications have that kind of functionality. In my initial question to this list, I said: I know what you mentioned -- unfortunately you're only going to find what you want as *part* of something much larger -- in this case a file manager. And in the examples I gave, those are considered light-weight, especially midnight commander. Do you know if there's anything like *that* available, rather than an entire filesystem browser/manager application that just happens to also have a way to change permissions on files and directories? See above. I have never come across anything standalone, and at this point, given your somewhat unique requirements, you might be better off writing one yourself perhaps in Tk or something. :) Also . . . do any of the applications you mentioned provide a way to manage things like umasks or home directory default permissions? In my original post to this list, I had also mentioned that sort of thing: This would be more beneficial as a shell setting -- changing one's umask at the drop of a hat is almost always the wrong thing to do. login.conf or adduser.conf configuration . . . though I'm not holding my breath on that. I rather suspect managing umasks in login.conf and user directory default permissions in adduser.conf is not something anyone has bothered to incorporate in a GUI interface. Correct, see above. It's not something one would interactively change. especially as it's a shell setting -- so this GUI app would have a hard time enforcing it (c.f. interactive shell instances already open.) Kindly, -- Thomas Adam ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GUI for file permissions management
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 07:23:33PM +, Thomas Adam wrote: 2009/11/19 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com: Those are all filesystem browsers/managers -- right? I've already told the person who asked that many such applications have that kind of functionality. In my initial question to this list, I said: I know what you mentioned -- unfortunately you're only going to find what you want as *part* of something much larger -- in this case a file manager. And in the examples I gave, those are considered light-weight, especially midnight commander. Do you know if there's anything like *that* available, rather than an entire filesystem browser/manager application that just happens to also have a way to change permissions on files and directories? See above. I have never come across anything standalone, and at this point, given your somewhat unique requirements, you might be better off writing one yourself perhaps in Tk or something. :) I was afraid that might be the case. I guess the filesystem browser approach and the desktop environment approach are the only options available to the person who asked the question, then -- at least unless and until I develop the urge to write a permissions management GUI that I'll probably never use myself. Thanks for confirming my suspicions. Also . . . do any of the applications you mentioned provide a way to manage things like umasks or home directory default permissions? In my original post to this list, I had also mentioned that sort of thing: This would be more beneficial as a shell setting -- changing one's umask at the drop of a hat is almost always the wrong thing to do. It's not so much for the purpose of being able to change it at the drop of a hat that the person asked me about this, I think. He just wants to be able to do everything without ever having to touch a configuration file directly. While I think that's probably the wrong way to do it, some people just refuse to take a different approach, and I still feel the urge to try to be helpful when someone asks how he can do something. login.conf or adduser.conf configuration . . . though I'm not holding my breath on that. I rather suspect managing umasks in login.conf and user directory default permissions in adduser.conf is not something anyone has bothered to incorporate in a GUI interface. Correct, see above. It's not something one would interactively change. especially as it's a shell setting -- so this GUI app would have a hard time enforcing it (c.f. interactive shell instances already open.) I don't think he cares as much about *enforcing* it as about setting defaults that can be overridden on a case-by-case basis, rather than having to override a default he doesn't want in almost every case. Anyway . . . thanks again for the responses. I'll just add some confirmation of my suspicion that nothing like what I asked about exists to my repertoire of knowledge. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpvQ2AucBz4e.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GUI on FreeBSD
You can install a GUI after installing FreeBSD. If you choose this route (instead of choosing to install X during the install), then I recommend reading the FreeBSD Handbook section on X11: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Onkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to install FreeBSD on my system. But the problem is that I got only one system (which i need to chech mail and other such layman tasks ! ) I would be nice if I install the GUI . \ I am currentl using GNU/Linux ( for Kernel hacking and other layman tasks !! ) Please let me know how to enable GUI when installing FreeBSD !! regards, Onkar ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI on FreeBSD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nerius Landys wrote: | You can install a GUI after installing FreeBSD. If you choose this route | (instead of choosing to install X during the install), then I recommend | reading the FreeBSD Handbook section on X11: | | http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html It sounds like he wants more then just a GUI he wants a desktop in that case you should pick one of the following depending on your taste: xfce4 (what I use) gnome kde | | On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Onkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | I want to install FreeBSD on my system. But the problem is that I got only | one system (which i need to chech mail and other such layman tasks ! ) I | would be nice if I install the GUI . \ | I am currentl using GNU/Linux ( for Kernel hacking and other layman tasks | !! | ) Please let me know how to enable GUI when installing FreeBSD !! | | regards, | Onkar | ___ | freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list | http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions | To unsubscribe, send any mail to | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | ___ | freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list | http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions | To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkgnGMgACgkQk8GFzCrQm4Dm9gCeIlWNIpTmdclW3jgxkcKA3nLa CXsAoKvIC4Ft2b21WBXu8PLq3dJBRdGK =Wo31 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gui system information apps
On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 10:11:10AM -0600, Jonathan Horne wrote: what are some good 'desktop-docked' system info apps (that run well in freebsd), that might be similar in function to grkellm? i saw many screenshots of beautiful apps for superkaramba, but was pretty disappointed that most of them only understand linux devices and fstabs. was wondering what gui apps my peers might be enjoying. For me, sysutils/conky works fine. Things like temperature measurements depend on kernel support (hw.acpi sysctls, IIRC). Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpxxJXTtyYT0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GUI Mail Reader for FreeBSD ...
Marc G. Fournier wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Does anyone know of a good mail reader that does: PGP, unicode *and* shows inline html I'm tired of getting email from my family, for instance, that has inline images and having to look at each attachment seperately ... and have a friend that sends me email that has simplified chinese characters in it ... and others that send me PGP encrypted email ... Mulberry is good, but doesn't do two of the three ... sylpheed does PGP and Unicode, but unless I'm missing a setting) doesn't do inline html ... and kmail doesn't do the unicode or inline images ... So, is there anything that is good that actually does it all? - Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFGmU9c4QvfyHIvDvMRAvU4AKCvBMFdj2aYVTvWQm8IwNHUT3/UxwCgqmkp vmAsJotYb4qpkL4oYCs4Jv0= =7Np1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use Thunderbird. It's nice. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI Mail Reader for FreeBSD ...
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:34:04 -0300 Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Does anyone know of a good mail reader that does: PGP, unicode *and* shows inline html I use claws-mail and I love it. It can display inline html with the dillo plugin. Jona ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI Mail Reader for FreeBSD ...
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:10:49 +0200
Jona Joachim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I use claws-mail and I love it. It can display inline html with the
dillo plugin.
yeah, claws-mail is superb. Thunderbird was becoming too sluggish for me (i
switched over a year ago...claws- reminds me of another gem of email clients,
XFMail, which i think is not being developed anymore). It is highly
configurable. It has some bugs here and there, but nothing i can't live with
(or without ).
I use the gtk-htmls plugin for html email viewing. it works fine, except that
the default font (as sent from outlook / outlook express) shows too small (as
in tiny)...but i cant be bothered trying to figure out how to change that :-)
i had used dillo, but i found that quite often it'd spin out of control or spaw
process that wouldnt die easily. it was at least 6 months back (or more), so it
may be different now.
GTKhtml2 , and dillo too, i think, allow you to prevent loading of remote
images to prevent remote snooping on what you read or you dont.
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Re: GUI to ports collection on FBSD?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Joe Vender wrote: Hi, Is there a GUI interface to the FreeBSD ports collection for use in kde similar to synaptic or adept? Joe Vender That's coming soon. I'd check out the FreeBSD SoC page; Andrew, the developer's listed at the top of the page: http://code.google.com/soc/freebsd/about.html. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I mainly use PIB and there is kpackage and webmin Ivan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI to ports collection on FBSD?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Joe Vender wrote: Hi, Is there a GUI interface to the FreeBSD ports collection for use in kde similar to synaptic or adept? Joe Vender That's coming soon. I'd check out the FreeBSD SoC page; Andrew, the developer's listed at the top of the page: http://code.google.com/soc/freebsd/about.html. But is this really a tool for the ports collection? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI to ports collection on FBSD?
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Re: GUI to ports collection on FBSD?
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Joe Vender wrote: Hi, Is there a GUI interface to the FreeBSD ports collection for use in kde similar to synaptic or adept? Joe Vender That's coming soon. I'd check out the FreeBSD SoC page; Andrew, the developer's listed at the top of the page: http://code.google.com/soc/freebsd/about.html. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI
On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 06:38:10PM -0700, Jim Priovolos wrote: Any tips on how to make FreeBSD start with a GUI login screen? I chose gnome and X-Windows in the install and they run in a weird limited way if I start them up after logining in to a command line. But it doesn't start in a way that allows a login to a GUI as the initial login screen. Plus, when I try to execute xterm I get Can't open display even though I've set DISPLAY and display environment variables to :0.0 and localhost:0.0 and ip_address_of_box:0.0. Any help will be appreciated. I'm not sure what problem you're having, exactly, from that description. You might be able to solve it by installing either gdm or kdm -- or even xdm, if you don't care about bells and whistles and just want a GUI login. I don't see kdm in the ports tree using whereis, but gdm and xdm are both in there. If the problem is that you don't know how to get X started, try logging into the TTY console and entering the startx command. If the problem is that X is broken, you need more help than this. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] unix virus: If you're using a unixlike OS, please forward this to 20 others and erase your system partition. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI
On Monday 16 April 2007 08:38:10 pm Jim Priovolos wrote: Any tips on how to make FreeBSD start with a GUI login screen? I chose gnome and X-Windows in the install and they run in a weird limited way if I start them up after logining in to a command line. But it doesn't start in a way that allows a login to a GUI as the initial login screen. Plus, when I try to execute xterm I get Can't open display even though I've set DISPLAY and display environment variables to :0.0 and localhost:0.0 and ip_address_of_box:0.0. Any help will be appreciated. Have a look at the excellent FreeBSD Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11-wm.html David -- The Wright Bothers weren't the first to fly. They were just the first not to crash. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI
Hi Jim, Check out the freebsd handbook chapter 5. It has a lot of good tips. To get a gui login add the line gdm_enable=YES to /etc/rc.conf. Not sure about the xterm thing. Here's a link to the handbook section: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11-wm.html Regards, Marc On 4/16/07, Jim Priovolos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any tips on how to make FreeBSD start with a GUI login screen? I chose gnome and X-Windows in the install and they run in a weird limited way if I start them up after logining in to a command line. But it doesn't start in a way that allows a login to a GUI as the initial login screen. Plus, when I try to execute xterm I get Can't open display even though I've set DISPLAY and display environment variables to :0.0 and localhost:0.0 and ip_address_of_box:0.0. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Jim __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...
Ok I'll bite. I installed fetchmail and fairly quickly had it retreiving mail into system. I installed mutt and spent 2 hours looking at man and muttrc. Wow. What I dont get is how mutt replies to mail I retrived from ' mywork.mailserver.com'. I have to use '' to send the mail. I think I do it like this. mutt sends mail as usual. Then, fetchmail -S smtp.myispmailserver.net The mail bounces from myispmailserver.net with an error like [EMAIL PROTECTED] (my private domain) is urecognized domain. (exact message escapes me at this time) The question is how do I tell mutt to send all mail out through ' smtp.myispmailserver.net'? Or maybe I need to configure sendmail or fetchmail differntly? Can someone point me to some sample configs or human readable help information? Thanks On 5/6/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: El día Saturday, May 06, 2006 a las 08:40:02PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier escribió: I've been using pine *forever* now and am finding it really hard to find a good GUI to replace it :( Tried kmail, didn't like it ... Off the top of my head, the only thing(s) it needs to do is: multiple identities IMAP PGP xterm+fetchmail+mutt+vi is all you need; anything else is just not usefull for real work; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC PICA GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclcpica.org/ http://guru.UnixLand.de/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Bryan bc3910 'at' gmail 'dot' com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 8 May 2006 07:14:05 -0600 Bryan Curl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mutt sends mail as usual. Then, fetchmail -S smtp.myispmailserver.net The mail bounces from myispmailserver.net with an error like [EMAIL PROTECTED] (my private domain) is urecognized domain. (exact message escapes me at this time) The question is how do I tell mutt to send all mail out through ' smtp.myispmailserver.net'? Or maybe I need to configure sendmail or fetchmail differntly? sometimes i use mutt, this is the part in my .muttrc to get the from-address right : set sendmail=/usr/sbin/sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -oi -oem -- grtjs, albi gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...
El día Monday, May 08, 2006 a las 03:23:30PM +0200, albi escribió: On Mon, 8 May 2006 07:14:05 -0600 Bryan Curl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mutt sends mail as usual. Then, fetchmail -S smtp.myispmailserver.net The mail bounces from myispmailserver.net with an error like [EMAIL PROTECTED] (my private domain) is urecognized domain. (exact message escapes me at this time) The question is how do I tell mutt to send all mail out through ' smtp.myispmailserver.net'? Or maybe I need to configure sendmail or fetchmail differntly? sometimes i use mutt, this is the part in my .muttrc to get the from-address right : set sendmail=/usr/sbin/sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -oi -oem Of course, you have to configure 'fetchmail' (normaly done in a file ~/.fetchmailrc) for fetching and sendmail for outgoing mail; in the M4-based rules files to generate the sendmail's submit.cf you may use something like define(`SMART_HOST', `[smtp.myispmailserver.net]')dnl to put all outbound mail to your ISP. matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC PICA GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclcpica.org/ http://guru.UnixLand.de/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...
If that just fixes From in the header Im not sure that is entirely my problem. Since my bounces seem to be related to my localhost domain name, I wonder about a setting like described here from sendmail's manual. You can have your host masquerade as another using MASQUERADE_AS(`host.domain') This causes mail being sent to be labeled as coming from the indicated host.domain, rather than $j. One normally masquerades as one of one's own subdomains (for example, it's unlikely that Berkeley would choose to masquerade as an MIT site). This behaviour is modified by a plethora of FEATUREs http://www.sendmail.org/m4/features.html; in particular, see masquerade_envelopehttp://www.sendmail.org/m4/features.html#masquerade_envelope, allmasquerade http://www.sendmail.org/m4/features.html#allmasquerade, limited_masqueradehttp://www.sendmail.org/m4/features.html#limited_masquerade, and masquerade_entire_domainhttp://www.sendmail.org/m4/features.html#masquerade_entire_domain . On 5/8/06, albi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 8 May 2006 07:14:05 -0600 Bryan Curl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mutt sends mail as usual. Then, fetchmail -S smtp.myispmailserver.net The mail bounces from myispmailserver.net with an error like [EMAIL PROTECTED] (my private domain) is urecognized domain. (exact message escapes me at this time) The question is how do I tell mutt to send all mail out through ' smtp.myispmailserver.net'? Or maybe I need to configure sendmail or fetchmail differntly? sometimes i use mutt, this is the part in my .muttrc to get the from-address right : set sendmail=/usr/sbin/sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -oi -oem -- grtjs, albi gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import -- -- Bryan bc3910 'at' gmail 'dot' com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 8 May 2006 10:10:24 -0600 Bryan Curl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that just fixes From in the header Im not sure that is entirely my problem. Since my bounces seem to be related to my localhost domain name, I wonder about a setting like described here from sendmail's manual. You can have your host masquerade as another using MASQUERADE_AS(`host.domain') This causes mail being sent to be labeled as coming from the indicated host.domain, rather than $j. hmm, ok, sorry, i always make sure my postfix-settings are correct, and i just remembered the problem of having the From-address correct in mutt some years ago glad to see you apparently have it all sorted out now :) -- grtjs, albi gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...
guru wrote: El día Monday, May 08, 2006 a las 03:23:30PM +0200, albi escribió: On Mon, 8 May 2006 07:14:05 -0600 Bryan Curl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mutt sends mail as usual. Then, fetchmail -S smtp.myispmailserver.net The mail bounces from myispmailserver.net with an error like [EMAIL PROTECTED] (my private domain) is urecognized domain. (exact message escapes me at this time) The question is how do I tell mutt to send all mail out through ' smtp.myispmailserver.net'? Or maybe I need to configure sendmail or fetchmail differntly? sometimes i use mutt, this is the part in my .muttrc to get the from-address right : set sendmail=/usr/sbin/sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -oi -oem Of course, you have to configure 'fetchmail' (normaly done in a file ~/.fetchmailrc) for fetching and sendmail for outgoing mail; in the M4-based rules files to generate the sendmail's submit.cf you may use something like define(`SMART_HOST', `[smtp.myispmailserver.net]')dnl to put all outbound mail to your ISP. matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC PICA GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclcpica.org/ http://guru.UnixLand.de/ OK, but suppose the SMTP server was GMail; i.e. smtp.gmail.com which uses SSL on port 465 I believe. Is it possible to configure Sendmail to use that in the `SMART_HOST' setting? -- Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...
On 08/05/06 albi said: sometimes i use mutt, this is the part in my .muttrc to get the from-address right : set sendmail=/usr/sbin/sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -oi -oem That's not really required. set use_from set from=Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] set envelope_from Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. --Albert Einstein pgpld60vByiPv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...
On Sat, 6 May 2006 20:40:02 -0300 (ADT) Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: multiple identities IMAP PGP Hi Marc, give sylpheed-claws ( mail/sylpheed-claws port) a try - it is very fast and lean. I used to use thunderbird but I felt it was very heavy compared to sylpheed. I'm using 6 IMAP identities, 2 POP3 (for mailing lists), as weell as 2 SMTP only (to send via same server as different user). Try the -claws port , as it supports more features and plugins. Good luck, Beto ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...
On Sunday 07 May 2006 03:29, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Sun, 7 May 2006, Ian Moore wrote: On Sunday 07 May 2006 09:10, Marc G. Fournier wrote: I've been using pine *forever* now and am finding it really hard to find a good GUI to replace it :( Tried kmail, didn't like it ... Off the top of my head, the only thing(s) it needs to do is: multiple identities IMAP PGP As much as I hate admitting doing things under Windows, I have used Eudora in the past and like its interface, but, alas, there is no Eudora for Unix I use kmail (part of kde) which is also very nice and will do all the above. I tried it, and was turned off very question ... my first beef ... I couldn't seem to select multiple messags in the thread window to do a mass operation on it ... for instance, in eudora, I could do 'shift-up/dn' to highlight several articles ... under kmail, the up/dn arrow scrolls the bottom message window ;( As you've noticed the up and down keys are already used for scrolling in the content widget. Instead use shift or ctrl and the left mouse button instead or the + and - keys (go to latter/next unread message) or the arrow-left and arrow-right keys (go to latter/next message). See Keyboard Shortcuts in the KMail handbook which is the obvious place to look ;-) Finally, most core KDE apps have a settings - shortcuts menu entry so you can even change the defaults. Some people call this bloat. Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...
Norberto Meijome wrote: On Sat, 6 May 2006 20:40:02 -0300 (ADT) Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: multiple identities IMAP PGP Hi Marc, give sylpheed-claws ( mail/sylpheed-claws port) a try - it is very fast and lean. I used to use thunderbird but I felt it was very heavy compared to sylpheed. I'm using 6 IMAP identities, 2 POP3 (for mailing lists), as weell as 2 SMTP only (to send via same server as different user). Try the -claws port , as it supports more features and plugins. Good luck, Beto Once installed, whats the script called to start claws? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...
Danny Pansters wrote: On Sunday 07 May 2006 03:29, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Sun, 7 May 2006, Ian Moore wrote: On Sunday 07 May 2006 09:10, Marc G. Fournier wrote: I've been using pine *forever* now and am finding it really hard to find a good GUI to replace it :( Tried kmail, didn't like it ... Off the top of my head, the only thing(s) it needs to do is: multiple identities IMAP PGP As much as I hate admitting doing things under Windows, I have used Eudora in the past and like its interface, but, alas, there is no Eudora for Unix I use kmail (part of kde) which is also very nice and will do all the above. I tried it, and was turned off very question ... my first beef ... I couldn't seem to select multiple messags in the thread window to do a mass operation on it ... for instance, in eudora, I could do 'shift-up/dn' to highlight several articles ... under kmail, the up/dn arrow scrolls the bottom message window ;( As you've noticed the up and down keys are already used for scrolling in the content widget. Instead use shift or ctrl and the left mouse button instead or the + and - keys (go to latter/next unread message) or the arrow-left and arrow-right keys (go to latter/next message). See Keyboard Shortcuts in the KMail handbook which is the obvious place to look ;-) Finally, most core KDE apps have a settings - shortcuts menu entry so you can even change the defaults. Some people call this bloat. Dan If you need help with KMail and how to properly use and configure it, might I suggest the following list: KDE PIM users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-users -- Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...
eoghan wrote: Once installed, whats the script called to start claws? /usr/local/bin/sylpheed-claws (Make sure you typed rehash in your shell just after installing) Hint: See pkg-plist in the directory of the port to find out what files will be installed, and where. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Frank Steinborn wrote: eoghan wrote: Once installed, whats the script called to start claws? /usr/local/bin/sylpheed-claws (Make sure you typed rehash in your shell just after installing) Hint: See pkg-plist in the directory of the port to find out what files will be installed, and where. Thanks I actually got it from /usr/X11R6/bin/sylpheed-claws doesnt seem to be in /usr/local/bin/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 14:54:14 +0100 eoghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually got it from /usr/X11R6/bin/sylpheed-claws yup . I set my launcher for sylpheed to actually do nice sylpheed-claws, as it sometimes spin-locks - this way it doesn't hog more than needed. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...
On Sat, 6 May 2006 20:40:02 -0300 (ADT) Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using pine *forever* now and am finding it really hard to find a good GUI to replace it :( Tried kmail, didn't like it ... Off the top of my head, the only thing(s) it needs to do is: multiple identities IMAP PGP As much as I hate admitting doing things under Windows, I have used Eudora in the past and like its interface, but, alas, there is no Eudora for Unix :( mozilla-thunderbird, the gpg-part in thunderbird is nice imho, multiple indentities are no problem except if you want to use different smtp-servers for different identities, then you need to download an extension to make that work properly (i've tried eudora in Wine some years ago (not for myself), it would start, but there were some problems, perhaps it works fine in Wine now) -- grtjs, albi gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...
forgot to mention, i'm also using sylpheed, but that because i still need to move the mail-filtering to thunderbird and that reminds me of one annoyance in thunderbird, if you use pop3(s) .. and you have really large mailboxes, then you manually have to compress them after deleting emails in those mailboxes afaik sylpheed (and sylpheed-claws) don't have that problem -- grtjs, albi gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...
On Sunday 07 May 2006 09:10, Marc G. Fournier wrote: I've been using pine *forever* now and am finding it really hard to find a good GUI to replace it :( Tried kmail, didn't like it ... Off the top of my head, the only thing(s) it needs to do is: multiple identities IMAP PGP As much as I hate admitting doing things under Windows, I have used Eudora in the past and like its interface, but, alas, there is no Eudora for Unix I use kmail (part of kde) which is also very nice and will do all the above. Cheers, -- Ian gpg key: http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~imoore/no-spam.asc pgp1i909akkzc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...
--- Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using pine *forever* now and am finding it really hard to find a good GUI to replace it :( Tried kmail, didn't like it ... Off the top of my head, the only thing(s) it needs to do is: multiple identities IMAP PGP As much as I hate admitting doing things under Windows, I have used Eudora in the past and like its interface, but, alas, there is no Eudora for Unix I'm testing out sylpheed-claws[1]. It seems a little brittle at times (preferences being lost, odd crashes) but I'm going to hang with it for awhile. It loads quickly and is good for usenet too. Lots of configuration possible (it even has options not visible via the GUI). [1] http://claws.sylpheed.org/features.php __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...
On Sun, 7 May 2006, Ian Moore wrote: On Sunday 07 May 2006 09:10, Marc G. Fournier wrote: I've been using pine *forever* now and am finding it really hard to find a good GUI to replace it :( Tried kmail, didn't like it ... Off the top of my head, the only thing(s) it needs to do is: multiple identities IMAP PGP As much as I hate admitting doing things under Windows, I have used Eudora in the past and like its interface, but, alas, there is no Eudora for Unix I use kmail (part of kde) which is also very nice and will do all the above. I tried it, and was turned off very question ... my first beef ... I couldn't seem to select multiple messags in the thread window to do a mass operation on it ... for instance, in eudora, I could do 'shift-up/dn' to highlight several articles ... under kmail, the up/dn arrow scrolls the bottom message window ;( Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...
El día Saturday, May 06, 2006 a las 08:40:02PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier escribió: I've been using pine *forever* now and am finding it really hard to find a good GUI to replace it :( Tried kmail, didn't like it ... Off the top of my head, the only thing(s) it needs to do is: multiple identities IMAP PGP xterm+fetchmail+mutt+vi is all you need; anything else is just not usefull for real work; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC PICA GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclcpica.org/ http://guru.UnixLand.de/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI frontend
On 9/22/05, Michael Louie Loria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody know a good frontend for ipfw in freebsd? Webmin gives you good GUI front end to quite a few things. Through your browser, and over the network if necessary, you can manage firewall rules, bind, apache etcetc. I think it's in /usr/ports/sysutils/webmin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: GUI frontend
Michael, Check out http://www.fwbuilder.org/ supports many different types of firewall including ipfw. Cheers Craig -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Louie Loria Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2005 7:33 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: GUI frontend -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hello, Does anybody know a good frontend for ipfw in freebsd? Like guarddog for simply mepis and firestarter for ubuntu, frontends for netfilter. Thanks, Michael Louie Loria -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) Comment: Public Key: https://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0x4A256EC8 Comment: Public Key: http://www.lorztech.com/GPG.txt Comment: Google, Skype, Yahoo ID: michaellouieloria iQEVAwUBQzKWa7XBHi2y3jwfAQqTmQgAuepIpAersdY0h0QEp24xg8Z6PPo/iHh1 P7OFNvcFBFde4ENO080ES+0BzSx8SatTupLgDc5DxF8T29Ed/lEVe0IATDJ/nZf5 nKwzYIg7rWyyhBXzTIsqLoqkiIwd4P8hSXClEH32+zNwLwcIhw+moaHaNBYsl30+ RRRrpKL1Tkg/2E2ETzc1YJ7hjkt26aahUnH0S3jS/6xg4L+ON0SzCYmlGsHcVyT+ YN72m9a6y1Z06QR8jHS1qgaOmbyvTrrcjBFj+sBr30gW6q+q836LwNI+I5jVLWgA 2d5h13ffxtnS7mjlONnSJOnc9yVf6lQvF6FATQCFGGIqIpcVQPWfGQ== =bis0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI frontend
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 __ Check out http://www.fwbuilder.org/ supports many different types of firewall including ipfw. __ Webmin gives you good GUI front end to quite a few things. Through your browser, and over the network if necessary, you can manage firewall rules, bind, apache etcetc. I think it's in /usr/ports/sysutils/webmin __ Thanks for the suggestions Peter Clutton and Craig Beasland. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Public Key: https://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0x4A256EC8 Comment: Public Key: http://www.lorztech.com/GPG.txt Comment: Google, Skype, Yahoo ID: michaellouieloria iQEVAwUBQzNv1rXBHi2y3jwfAQpkRAgAmokav3tNyw4gnKdBe2XVP3qXRQW72DF6 M6oS2kJiXW1ZcVtpWQweD6Kiq1rFl0sQeke7OxmCUpJLozfmo6UhL+V3+N3VIzCE cu2JCztlr78ijuZqCL+mZXkpxLNdukuRysbaOjaToS3dir8vB4sxDQUI1u5zL8Iz /keTvPCJ9cSsw1x4qNmM8Bz5l2UwUhbsGI+fEtsxp0c5+62ura/rHOannTfuedyl 5IpeetmDSYYAr55oYMRUd/AA5FMEXboVd3dprb2zhan9J5jaWa38CNFk6IZ5w0wC KQiDC3vdoM0mxWhLvMFaIIXrQkbjlq56hHyB+zzoh5obU6lDP4Imbg== =WOTj -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI mailer...
Gary Kline wrote: I've just tried 'sylpheed' again. --This time I do have pop3 and IMAP. After I set up the configuration, (pointing at ns1.thought.org), when I tried to get mail, I was asked to input a password. I typed in my password for kline on ns1 and sylpheed quit immediately. As I don't use sylpheed I don't know about this one. evolution works with sendmail, so it worked far more easily. There is nothing to set up. The thing with evolution is that when I see an http://URL and mouseclick on it, nothing happens. I would expect that mozilla or firefox would popup at the URL, but no such luck. (I didn't see anyplace that associates evolution with a browser.) See http://lists.ximian.com/archives/public/evolution/2003-August/032253.html for a solution/workaround. Are there any GUI mailers that use sendmail and that open an underlined URL with browser-whatever? On my daughter's RH-8 system stuff works out-of-the-box. Somehow. But I'm getting ready to replace the RH swith something called Ubuntuu. I recently started using Thunderbird (on OS X though, not FreeBSD) and like it until now. HTH, Karel. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
