Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#40036) 2.1.2 savegame data loss on rapid saves
http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=40036 >
Further information - the problem is not in the basic Freeciv program, but in
the Windows Vista distribution which automaticalloy sets certain defaults which
cause errors.
a) The switch to turn on AI after a player disconnects should default to OFF.
b) The default to allow simultaneous player moves should be OFF.Thanks very
much for all the help.
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:40:56 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#40036) 2.1.2 savegame data loss on rapid
> saves> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=40036 >> > Jason Dorje Short
> wrote:> > Unfortunately I don't seem to get this behavior anymore, though
> people> > keep reporting its symptoms. Every time I kill my client the
> server> > saves the game properly, without aitoggling the human.> > > That
> supposedly was fixed, although I cannot find the PR# or the commit> >
> common/game.h:297: #define GAME_DEFAULT_AUTO_AI_TOGGLE FALSE> > > Martin
> Rubinstein wrote:> # a) How do I set autosave to each turn. (It is hidden in
> the easy distribution)> > It's documented several ways, have you tried the
> extensive Help menus?> > The easiest is typing /saveturns 1 in the Chat
> command line.> > For the 2.1 GTK2 gui, you'll find it under menu Game ->
> Server Options ->> Internal -> saveturns ("Turns per auto-save")> > > # b) Is
> there any easy wa!
y of saving a list of further options, for use at each load.> > There are
several ways, have you tried Game -> Save Options?> > > And while you are
looking at Game -> Server Options, you might check the> value of Network ->
autotoggle ("Whether AI-status toggles with connection")> > We're speculating
that you accidentally set it to On?> >
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Further information - the problem is not in the basic Freeciv program, but in the Windows Vista distribution which automaticalloy sets certain defaults which cause errors.
a) The switch to turn on AI after a player disconnects should default to OFF.
b) The default to allow simultaneous player moves should be OFF.Thanks very much for all the help.
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:40:56 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#40036) 2.1.2 savegame data loss on rapid saves> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Jason Dorje Short wrote:> > Unfortunately I don't seem to get this behavior anymore, though people> > keep reporting its symptoms. Every time I kill my client the server> > saves the game properly, without aitoggling the human.> > > That supposedly was fixed, although I cannot find the PR# or the commit> > common/game.h:297: #define GAME_DEFAULT_AUTO_AI_TOGGLE FALSE> > > Martin Rubinstein wrote:> # a) How do I set autosave to each turn. (It is hidden in the easy distribution)> > It's documented several ways, have you tried the extensive Help menus?> > The easiest is typing /saveturns 1 in the Chat command line.> > For the 2.1 GTK2 gui, you'll find it under menu Game -> Server Options ->> Internal -> saveturns ("Turns per auto-save")> > > # b) Is there any easy way of saving a list of further options, for use at each load.> > There are several ways, have you tried Game -> Save Options?> > > And while you are looking at Game -> Server Options, you might check the> value of Network -> autotoggle ("Whether AI-status toggles with connection")> > We're speculating that you accidentally set it to On?> > Listen now! New music from the Rogue Traders.
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Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#40036) 2.1.2 savegame data loss on rapid saves
http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=40036 >
Thank you for the information. Will try further experiments. > Date: Tue, 29
Jan 2008 02:40:56 -0800> Subject: Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#40036) 2.1.2 savegame
data loss on rapid saves> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >
http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=40036 >> > Jason Dorje
Short wrote:> > Unfortunately I don't seem to get this behavior anymore, though
people> > keep reporting its symptoms. Every time I kill my client the server>
> saves the game properly, without aitoggling the human.> > > That supposedly
was fixed, although I cannot find the PR# or the commit> >
common/game.h:297: #define GAME_DEFAULT_AUTO_AI_TOGGLE FALSE> > > Martin
Rubinstein wrote:> # a) How do I set autosave to each turn. (It is hidden in
the easy distribution)> > It's documented several ways, have you tried the
extensive Help menus?> > The easiest is typing /saveturns 1 in the Chat command
line.> > For the 2.1 GTK2 gui, you'll find it under menu G!
ame -> Server Options ->> Internal -> saveturns ("Turns per auto-save")> > > #
b) Is there any easy way of saving a list of further options, for use at each
load.> > There are several ways, have you tried Game -> Save Options?> > > And
while you are looking at Game -> Server Options, you might check the> value of
Network -> autotoggle ("Whether AI-status toggles with connection")> > We're
speculating that you accidentally set it to On?> >
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Thank you for the information. Will try further experiments. > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:40:56 -0800> Subject: Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#40036) 2.1.2 savegame data loss on rapid saves> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Jason Dorje Short wrote:> > Unfortunately I don't seem to get this behavior anymore, though people> > keep reporting its symptoms. Every time I kill my client the server> > saves the game properly, without aitoggling the human.> > > That supposedly was fixed, although I cannot find the PR# or the commit> > common/game.h:297: #define GAME_DEFAULT_AUTO_AI_TOGGLE FALSE> > > Martin Rubinstein wrote:> # a) How do I set autosave to each turn. (It is hidden in the easy distribution)> > It's documented several ways, have you tried the extensive Help menus?> > The easiest is typing /saveturns 1 in the Chat command line.> > For the 2.1 GTK2 gui, you'll find it under menu Game -> Server Options ->> Internal -> saveturns ("Turns per auto-save")> > > # b) Is there any easy way of saving a list of further options, for use at each load.> > There are several ways, have you tried Game -> Save Options?> > > And while you are looking at Game -> Server Options, you might check the> value of Network -> autotoggle ("Whether AI-status toggles with connection")> > We're speculating that you accidentally set it to On?> > Join Lavalife for free. What are you waiting for?
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Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#40036) 2.1.2 savegame data loss on rapid saves
http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=40036 >
Jason Dorje Short wrote:
> Unfortunately I don't seem to get this behavior anymore, though people
> keep reporting its symptoms. Every time I kill my client the server
> saves the game properly, without aitoggling the human.
>
That supposedly was fixed, although I cannot find the PR# or the commit
common/game.h:297: #define GAME_DEFAULT_AUTO_AI_TOGGLE FALSE
Martin Rubinstein wrote:
# a) How do I set autosave to each turn. (It is hidden in the easy
distribution)
It's documented several ways, have you tried the extensive Help menus?
The easiest is typing /saveturns 1 in the Chat command line.
For the 2.1 GTK2 gui, you'll find it under menu Game -> Server Options ->
Internal -> saveturns ("Turns per auto-save")
# b) Is there any easy way of saving a list of further options, for use at
each load.
There are several ways, have you tried Game -> Save Options?
And while you are looking at Game -> Server Options, you might check the
value of Network -> autotoggle ("Whether AI-status toggles with connection")
We're speculating that you accidentally set it to On?
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Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#40036) 2.1.2 savegame data loss on rapid saves
http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=40036 > On Jan 23, 2008 11:21 AM, Christian Knoke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=40036 > > > William Allen Simpson wrote on Jan 23, 04:01 (-0800): > > Martin Rubinstein wrote: > > > When saving, (playing standalone, all other players AI), data appears to > > > be lost. > > > Latest time government type reverted to Despotism from Monarchy > > > > You mean the government was Monarchy at the beginning of the turn and > > changed to Despotism? How do I reproduce? Please attach before and after > > savegames to your reply. > > This usually happens when the client dies. Then the server continues to run > for a short time, aitoggles the human player and produces a last all AI > savegame. This appears in top of the savegame list when you restart the > client. Since AI switches often government to despotism, thats what you'll > find. > > At least this is my wild guess ;-) That does seem likely. Unfortunately I don't seem to get this behavior anymore, though people keep reporting its symptoms. Every time I kill my client the server saves the game properly, without aitoggling the human. -jason ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#40036) 2.1.2 savegame data loss on rapid saves
http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=40036 > Thank you for the message. The program was running on Windows Vista home Basic. If you would like me to try to recompile with logging options & run, please advise a suitable source with all libraries, make, etc. I have the basic Microsoft Visual C++ express free C++ compiler. > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 04:01:23 -0800> Subject: Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#40036) 2.1.2 savegame data loss on rapid saves> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=40036 >> > Martin Rubinstein wrote:> > When saving, (playing standalone, all other players AI), data appears to be lost.> > Latest time government type reverted to Despotism from Monarchy> > You mean the government was Monarchy at the beginning of the turn and> changed to Despotism? How do I reproduce? Please attach before and after> savegames to your reply.> > Other examples of loss?> > > > If there is any way to log what the system is doing, please advise - it appears to be some sort of timing problem when the "Game Save" option does not wait for processing to finish.> > > Yes, there is extensive logging available, but you have to compile the game> yourself. ./autogen.sh --! enable-debug> > See http://freeciv.wikia.com/wiki/Install to learn more.> > > > Is there a way to advise the server to wait until all commands have been processed, then save.> > The save command is merely another command in a stream of commands, so> processing should already be done in order. Need more examples!> > Processing could be delayed somehow to an appropriate point in the turn,> such as new turn or new phase. But that would prevent multiple saves per> turn. I know that I use that when debugging, so I'm not in favor.> > > > For your information, I was saving at high frequency during this error problem to go back & find out what I (& the AI) were doing - I am used to the commercial game which does not work on Vista.> > > Well, the idea above won't work for that, as it would drop rapid saves> > Why not set the "Turns per autosave" option to 1, and let the game do all> the saving?> > _ It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT Thank you for the message. The program was running on Windows Vista home Basic. If you would like me to try to recompile with logging options & run, please advise a suitable source with all libraries, make, etc. I have the basic Microsoft Visual C++ express free C++ compiler. > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 04:01:23 -0800> Subject: Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#40036) 2.1.2 savegame data loss on rapid saves> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Martin Rubinstein wrote:> > When saving, (playing standalone, all other players AI), data appears to be lost.> > Latest time government type reverted to Despotism from Monarchy> > You mean the government was Monarchy at the beginning of the turn and> changed to Despotism? How do I reproduce? Please attach before and after> savegames to your reply.> > Other examples of loss?> > > > If there is any way to log what the system is doing, please advise - it appears to be some sort of timing problem when the "Game Save" option does not wait for processing to finish.> > > Yes, there is extensive logging available, but you have to compile the game> yourself. ./autogen.sh --enable-debug> > See http://freeciv.wikia.com/wiki/Install to learn more.> > > > Is there a way to advise the server to wait until all commands have been processed, then save.> > The save command is merely another command in a stream of commands, so> processing should already be done in order. Need more examples!> > Processing could be delayed somehow to an appropriate point in the turn,> such as new turn or new phase. But that would prevent multiple saves per> turn. I know that I use that when debugging, so I'm not in favor.> > > > For your information, I was saving at high frequency during this error problem to go back & find out what I (& the AI) were doing - I am used to the commercial game which does not work on Vista.> > > Well, the idea above won't work for that, as it would drop rapid saves> > Why not set the "Turns per autosave" option to 1, and let the game do all> the saving?> > Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com.au. It's simple! ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#40036) 2.1.2 savegame data loss on rapid saves
http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=40036 > Further examination the problem disappears when suppressing the flag to permit multiple players to move simultaneously. Because I am using the default screens which are given on the basic download of the new release, I cannot set the frequency of autosave. Please advise a) How do I set autosave to each turn. (It is hidden in the easy distribution) b) Is there any easy way of saving a list of further options, for use at each load. FYI a) The government had changed to Monarchy several turns ago. b) The save was "Save Game As" with a live client c) I am not, unfortunately, good enough with programming on Intel to recompile from source, but I will try. d) I will dig up several relevant saves & forward, sometime this week. I have very basic C++ knowledge, downloaded Microsoft Visual C++ express. What source language hyave you used for the project? Thank you all volunteers. > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:21:19 -0800> Subject: Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#40036) 2.1.2 savegame data loss on rapid saves> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=40036 >> > William Allen Simpson wrote on Jan 23, 04:01 (-0800):> > Martin Rubinstein wrote:> > > When saving, (playing standalone, all other players AI), data appears to be lost.> > > Latest time government type reverted to Despotism from Monarchy> > > > You mean the government was Monarchy at the beginning of the turn and> > changed to Despotism? How do I reproduce? Please attach before and after> > savegames to your reply.> > This usually happens when the client dies. Then the server continues to run> for a short time, aitoggles the human player and produces a last all AI> savegame. This appears in top of the savegame list when you restart the> client. Since AI switches often government to despotism, thats what you'll> find.>! > At least this is my wild guess ;-)> > Christian> > -- > Christian Knoke * * * http://cknoke.de> * * * * * * * * * Ceterum censeo Microsoft esse dividendum.> > _ Overpaid or Underpaid? Check our comprehensive Salary Centre http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fcontent%2Emycareer%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fsalary%2Dcentre%3Fs%5Fcid%3D595810&_t=766724125&_r=Hotmail_Email_Tagline_MyCareer_Oct07&_m=EXT Further examination the problem disappears when suppressing the flag to permit multiple players to move simultaneously. Because I am using the default screens which are given on the basic download of the new release, I cannot set the frequency of autosave. Please advise a) How do I set autosave to each turn. (It is hidden in the easy distribution) b) Is there any easy way of saving a list of further options, for use at each load. FYI a) The government had changed to Monarchy several turns ago. b) The save was "Save Game As" with a live client c) I am not, unfortunately, good enough with programming on Intel to recompile from source, but I will try. d) I will dig up several relevant saves & forward, sometime this week. I have very basic C++ knowledge, downloaded Microsoft Visual C++ express. What source language hyave you used for the project? Thank you all volunteers. > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:21:19 -0800> Subject: Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#40036) 2.1.2 savegame data loss on rapid saves> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > William Allen Simpson wrote on Jan 23, 04:01 (-0800):> > Martin Rubinstein wrote:> > > When saving, (playing standalone, all other players AI), data appears to be lost.> > > Latest time government type reverted to Despotism from Monarchy> > > > You mean the government was Monarchy at the beginning of the turn and> > changed to Despotism? How do I reproduce? Please attach before and after> > savegames to your reply.> > This usually happens when the client dies. Then the server continues to run> for a short time, aitoggles the human player and produces a last all AI> savegame. This appears in top of the savegame list when you restart the> client. Since AI switches often government to despotism, thats what you'll> find.> > At least this is my wild guess ;-)> > Christian> > -- > Christian Knoke * * * http://cknoke.de> * * * * * * * * * Ceterum censeo Microsoft esse dividendum.> > Check our comprehensive Salary Centre Overpaid or Underpaid? ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#40036) 2.1.2 savegame data loss on rapid saves
http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=40036 > William Allen Simpson wrote on Jan 23, 04:01 (-0800): > Martin Rubinstein wrote: > > When saving, (playing standalone, all other players AI), data appears to be > > lost. > > Latest time government type reverted to Despotism from Monarchy > > You mean the government was Monarchy at the beginning of the turn and > changed to Despotism? How do I reproduce? Please attach before and after > savegames to your reply. This usually happens when the client dies. Then the server continues to run for a short time, aitoggles the human player and produces a last all AI savegame. This appears in top of the savegame list when you restart the client. Since AI switches often government to despotism, thats what you'll find. At least this is my wild guess ;-) Christian -- Christian Knoke* * *http://cknoke.de * * * * * * * * * Ceterum censeo Microsoft esse dividendum. ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#40036) 2.1.2 savegame data loss on rapid saves
http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=40036 > Martin Rubinstein wrote: > When saving, (playing standalone, all other players AI), data appears to be > lost. > Latest time government type reverted to Despotism from Monarchy You mean the government was Monarchy at the beginning of the turn and changed to Despotism? How do I reproduce? Please attach before and after savegames to your reply. Other examples of loss? > If there is any way to log what the system is doing, please advise - it > appears to be some sort of timing problem when the "Game Save" option does > not wait for processing to finish. > Yes, there is extensive logging available, but you have to compile the game yourself. ./autogen.sh --enable-debug See http://freeciv.wikia.com/wiki/Install to learn more. > Is there a way to advise the server to wait until all commands have been > processed, then save. The save command is merely another command in a stream of commands, so processing should already be done in order. Need more examples! Processing could be delayed somehow to an appropriate point in the turn, such as new turn or new phase. But that would prevent multiple saves per turn. I know that I use that when debugging, so I'm not in favor. > For your information, I was saving at high frequency during this error > problem to go back & find out what I (& the AI) were doing - I am used to the > commercial game which does not work on Vista. > Well, the idea above won't work for that, as it would drop rapid saves Why not set the "Turns per autosave" option to 1, and let the game do all the saving? ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
