> Beside that
> leaves you in general also with the problem on how to transfer your
> programs from your fancy Windows/Linux/macOS box to that VM. That's a
> problem that that you simply do not have when programming ON DOS.
Well, I often use DOS in an emulator (pcem) because that emulates
You both can be right. I think there is a reasonable split here:
[1] Smaller languages (BASIC, Pascal?) basically fall in the same class as
scripting languages and are useful to have available.
[2] Huge developer environments make more sense on a more capable operating
system where you cross
On 10/5/2023 4:44 AM, tom ehlert via Freedos-devel wrote:
Hallo Herr Ralf Quint via Freedos-devel,
am Donnerstag, 5. Oktober 2023 um 02:50 schrieben Sie:
On 10/3/2023 11:30 AM, Michael Brutman via Freedos-devel wrote:
There is no point in punishing everybody by shipping tools that most >
On 10/4/2023 10:45 PM, Kirn Gill via Freedos-devel wrote:
I think you're blinded by DJGPP. At no point did I argue for keeping
THAT mess in... or gcc-ia16.
For the record, my reply was in response to Michael Brutman, not to you
Rlaf
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Steve said:
> I can't see what would need to be on base to make it more than about 20
> MB? And even that's pushing it hard.
>
> Maybe because I'm measuring by PC DOS 2000, which came on 6 floppies.
>
The FreeDOS distribution has a "LiveCD" component that allows users to
boot the CD. This
On Thu, 5 Oct 2023, Liam Proven via Freedos-devel wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 at 10:29, Danilo Pecher via Freedos-devel
wrote:
The best solution would be three disks:
BaseCD - no bigger than 300MB, only basic tools
ApplicationCD - Editors, Gemes, Utilities - the lot
DeveloperCD
I agree
Hallo Herr Ralf Quint via Freedos-devel,
am Donnerstag, 5. Oktober 2023 um 02:50 schrieben Sie:
> On 10/3/2023 11:30 AM, Michael Brutman via Freedos-devel wrote:
>> There is no point in punishing everybody by shipping tools that most >
>> people don't use. You can probably count all of the
Hi,
> Honestly, I'd prefer a 3-tier split, actually. The Base CD should be
> somewhere around 300MB max.
Is it really a good idea for a medium, which supports ~700 MB of data, to
restrict that to 300 MB? Considering one has to „burn“ the media, I favour
burning one disk instead of two or
On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 at 10:29, Danilo Pecher via Freedos-devel
wrote:
>
> The best solution would be three disks:
>
> BaseCD - no bigger than 300MB, only basic tools
>
> ApplicationCD - Editors, Gemes, Utilities - the lot
>
> DeveloperCD
I agree with this, FWIW.
(Personally I would also rate xNix
Hi,
I'm with Kirn on this one. I think people have a wrong idea what
people use FreeDOS for, if at all. First of all, I think that the
assumption that there's a mahoosive community out there might be a wee
bit optimistic. It's probably rather modest, as not too many people
these days use DOS for
I think you're blinded by DJGPP. At no point did I argue for keeping THAT
mess in... or gcc-ia16. You just assumed that I would, so assumed that's
exactly what I was advocating for. No, keep it simple. A "base" disc's dev
tools shouldn't take more than 20MB at most. An assembler, a basic 16-bit C
On 10/3/2023 11:30 AM, Michael Brutman via Freedos-devel wrote:
There is no point in punishing everybody by shipping tools that most
people don't use. You can probably count all of the active DOS
developers on your fingers and toes.
All of the various tools and compilers remain available for
reedos-devel
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2023 6:50:57 PM
To: Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers.
Cc: Jim Hall
Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Interim Build T2310 - no free space on CD
I did a quick comparison of the packages on the FreeDOS 1.3
distribution (bot
Hi,
> On Oct 3, 2023, at 9:20 PM, Danilo Pecher via Freedos-devel
> wrote:
>
> I think the developer tools should go to the bonus CD. As was
> mentioned, most FreeDOS users will probably use it to run legacy apps
> and games. People who still have the knowledge to do some
> honest-to-god
I think the developer tools should go to the bonus CD. As was
mentioned, most FreeDOS users will probably use it to run legacy apps
and games. People who still have the knowledge to do some
honest-to-god proper DOS programming will probably be quite able to
switch the CD and install the stuff from
I did a quick comparison of the packages on the FreeDOS 1.3
distribution (both Live and Bonus) and the FreeDOS T2310 distribution
(Live and Bonus). And the differences in packages (added and dropped)
were as expected, so that's good. :-)
Then I added up the package size on T2310, both Live and
--- Le mar., 03 oct. 2023 14:30:08 -0400 Michael Brutman via Freedos-devel
have written
> There is no point in punishing everybody by shipping tools that most people
> don't use. You can probably count all of the active DOS developers on your
> fingers and toes.
>
> All of the
There is no point in punishing everybody by shipping tools that most people
don't use. You can probably count all of the active DOS developers on your
fingers and toes.
All of the various tools and compilers remain available for download. Not
being on the CD image is not the barrier it used to
or Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
From: Wilhelm Spiegl via Freedos-devel
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2023 6:04:29 AM
To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Cc: Wilhelm Spiegl
Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS Interim Build T2310 - no free space on CD
Hi Ji
Hi Jim, hi Jerome, hi everyone else,
About the theme "the installation CD has no longer free space":
It would be interesting to find out which clientele downloads the FreeDOS CD the most.
I could imagine that games are particularly interesting for newbies, whereas
programming tools are
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