Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-11 Thread Aitor SantamarĂ­a
Hello, I think that it's a good idea overall that one can decide the folder where one can install the big programs, as could be to have a OpenWatcom or FreePascal distribution, whereas the single-binary ones (or equally smaller) should be merged into the freedos\bin directory. 2009/4/6 Eric

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-08 Thread Eric Auer
Hi, as long as core / tool programs are in some directory in PATH, things will be fine. For other apps, people can add a batch into one of the directories in PATH or they can use ALIAS or just chdir to the place to run stuff :-). Of course PATH can differ between different DOSes and different

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-08 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! It appears that any binary package installed on FreeDOS goes to /BIN. Almost. Packages which need many files in the same BINish directory have separate directories. This includes for example Arachne, DOG, Emacs, Network and USB driver bags, FBC, GhostScript, the 1.0 game collection,

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-06 Thread Mateusz Viste
On Monday 06 April 2009 01:50, Jim Hall wrote: I once had an idea that we should put an LSM header/comment in the zip file. If the FD package tool saw an LSM there, it would know the zip file was really a FD pkg and not a third-party zip file. Hi Jim! We already may check that, simply looking

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-06 Thread Mateusz Viste
On Monday 06 April 2009 01:18, Michael Reichenbach wrote: I am working on an DOS application I wanted to package into FreeDOS's format by default. My exe is using a file called cwsdpmi.exe but cwsdpmi.exe is actually a renamed hdpmi32.exe. Normally I would assume to cd to the folder where

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-06 Thread Mateusz Viste
On Monday 06 April 2009 00:14, Marco Antonio Achury Palma wrote: Any usual commercial and shareware apps for msdos with an install create its own dir. To have 100+ folders at apps is not good. why not: /office /dev /audio /video /games/adventure /games/arcade /games/puzzle I guess

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-06 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! Any usual commercial and shareware apps for msdos with an install create its own dir. To have 100+ folders at apps is not good. We do not have many apps: Everything in BASE can go into the same fdos/bin directory for example, and many of the UTIL things can be sorted into relatively few

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-06 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! My exe is using a file called cwsdpmi.exe but cwsdpmi.exe is actually a renamed hdpmi32.exe. Normally I would assume to cd to the folder where my app is inside and to start it from there. But if it's all mixed into the /bin directory the normal cwsdpmi.exe will be overwritten. It is a

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-06 Thread Eric Auer
Hi, We already may check that, simply looking wheter there is a \appinfo\*.lsm file or not. The idea was rather to make a difference between FreeDOS packages containing system files, like format and FreeDOS packages containing some other apps, like Arachne. Something in a concept similar

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-06 Thread Eric Auer
Hi again and sorry for adding to the high mail traffic :-p there are many approach to do this, but we need to follow a practical approach so, i'm in favor of a \bin directory for all fd packages and 3rd party sw should be separeted with their developers don't want to create a 'fdished

[Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread Mateusz Viste
Hi Folks! It appears that any binary package installed on FreeDOS goes to /BIN. Besides that, there's no clear directive about how to install 3rd party apps. I would propose the following rules: - Any DOS replacement stuff (move, tree, format...) goes to \BIN\ - Any system enhacement (grep, ls,

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread Christian Masloch
- Any DOS replacement stuff (move, tree, format...) goes to \BIN\ - Any system enhacement (grep, ls, pcisleep, cwsdpmi, fdupdate...) goes to \SBIN\ Why should I want two directories with binaries? Plus, some of the binaries might be appropriate for both \BIN and \SBIN (even FORMAT!).

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread Jim Hall
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 6:48 AM, Christian Masloch c...@bttr-software.de wrote: - Any DOS replacement stuff (move, tree, format...) goes to \BIN\ - Any system enhacement (grep, ls, pcisleep, cwsdpmi, fdupdate...) goes to \SBIN\ Why should I want two directories with binaries? Plus, some of the

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread Mateusz Viste
On Sunday 05 April 2009 16:11, Jim Hall wrote: I think Mateusz is suggesting separating the programs from the base list (in ...\BIN) from those that are in devel or util (in ...\SBIN). In this case, FORMAT would show up in ...\BIN. Yes, it was indeed my idea... Imagine all the (new?)

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread usul
Utilities too late the party? Because I think the utilities and freedos core should be separated. Here is one reason why. Say I am working on a program that I want to be dos compatible. any Dos and not just free dos, or I need to test the compatibility. C:\FDOS C:\MSDOS etc and this could be

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread Marco Antonio Achury Palma
I agree is nice to have separated paths for base system and apps. This is the good old way to make things. The most of the dos apps are self contained without dependencies. One problem I remember is to have path to all the apps, sometimes become bigger than the available environment variable

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread Mateusz Viste
On Sunday 05 April 2009 19:15, Marco Antonio Achury Palma wrote: I agree is nice to have separated paths for base system and apps. This is the good old way to make things. The most of the dos apps are self contained without dependencies. One problem I remember is to have path to all the

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread Marco Antonio Achury Palma
Any usual commercial and shareware apps for msdos with an install create its own dir. To have 100+ folders at apps is not good. why not: /office /dev /audio /video /games/adventure /games/arcade /games/puzzle 2009/4/5, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste-family.net: On Sunday 05 April 2009 19:15,

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread Michael Reichenbach
Well, I also thought about that. I am working on an DOS application I wanted to package into FreeDOS's format by default. My exe is using a file called cwsdpmi.exe but cwsdpmi.exe is actually a renamed hdpmi32.exe. Normally I would assume to cd to the folder where my app is inside and to start

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread Jim Hall
However, it's not a trivial thing to do, as we would need a way to tell this is a FreeDOS package, while this one is 3rd party one. Nothing like that is ready today. Obviously, it would require some additional developpement on FDPKG, too... I once had an idea that we should put an LSM

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread Blair Campbell
It appears that any binary package installed on FreeDOS goes to /BIN. Besides that, there's no clear directive about how to install 3rd party apps. It should be %DOSDIR%\bin I would propose the following rules: - Any DOS replacement stuff (move, tree, format...) goes to \BIN\ - Any system

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread Marco Antonio Achury Palma
Is better to do something like %DOSAPPS% so you can have apps on their own dir 2009/4/5, Blair Campbell blaird...@gmail.com: It appears that any binary package installed on FreeDOS goes to /BIN. Besides that, there's no clear directive about how to install 3rd party apps. It should be

Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1

2009-04-05 Thread Geraldo Netto
Hi guys, well, as we can see, there are many approach to do this, but we need to follow a practical approach so, i'm in favor of a \bin directory for all fd packages and 3rd party sw should be separeted with their developers don't want to create a 'fdished package' of course, this is my opinion