Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Dale E Sterner]

I think you helped keep an interesting piece of software from
fading out permenantly. It has little practical use but is
interesting to look at - a piece of historical art. Protected
software usually disappears completely when  it loses
its usefulness. This way some younger people can see
what it use to look like.

cheers
DS


On Thu, 19 Apr 2018 09:53:00 -0700 (PDT) geneb 
writes:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2018, Jim Hall wrote:
> 
> > While I know that this helped a specific user request, I'd 
> appreciate
> > that we not share/link to "crack" tools that circumvent copy
> > protection. Even for programs like Telix that aren't supported
> > anymore.
> >
> Your house, your rules.  No problem. :)
> 
> > Free/open source software has a hard enough time being viewed in
> > certain circles as "hacker" culture, and sharing "crack" tools 
> doesn't
> > help with that image.
> >
> I can't bring myself to pander to a group of people that are baffled 
> by 
> computers equipped with multi-button mice. (or no mouse at all!) :)
> 
> g.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[geneb]

On Thu, 19 Apr 2018, Jim Hall wrote:


While I know that this helped a specific user request, I'd appreciate
that we not share/link to "crack" tools that circumvent copy
protection. Even for programs like Telix that aren't supported
anymore.


Your house, your rules.  No problem. :)


Free/open source software has a hard enough time being viewed in
certain circles as "hacker" culture, and sharing "crack" tools doesn't
help with that image.

I can't bring myself to pander to a group of people that are baffled by 
computers equipped with multi-button mice. (or no mouse at all!) :)


g.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Jim Hall]

> On Mon, 16 Apr 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote:
>> My copy asks for money for a key but noone left to collect it.
>> I used up half my legal trys brfore it shuts down.
>> What was that link again?

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 2:28 PM, geneb  wrote:
> You can also go here:
> http://cd.textfiles.com/hackersencyc/PC/CRAKHOUS/FILES.HTM and grab the file
> called "351crack.com" - I tested against the Telix download I pointed you to
> and it did work.

While I know that this helped a specific user request, I'd appreciate
that we not share/link to "crack" tools that circumvent copy
protection. Even for programs like Telix that aren't supported
anymore.

Free/open source software has a hard enough time being viewed in
certain circles as "hacker" culture, and sharing "crack" tools doesn't
help with that image.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[geneb]

On Wed, 18 Apr 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote:


I don't know how you found this but it worked like a charm.
The big ugly red screen is gone. Many thanks.


Some days my Google Fu is pretty strong. ;)  I'm glad it worked for you.

g.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Dale E Sterner]

I don't know how you found this but it worked like a charm.
The big ugly red screen is gone. Many thanks.

cheers
DS


On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 12:28:35 -0700 (PDT) geneb 
writes:
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> 
> > My copy asks for money for a key but noone left to collect it.
> > I used up half my legal trys brfore it shuts down.
> > What was that link again?
> >
> 
> You can also go here: 
> http://cd.textfiles.com/hackersencyc/PC/CRAKHOUS/FILES.HTM and grab 
> the 
> file called "351crack.com" - I tested against the Telix download I 
> pointed 
> you to and it did work.
> 
> g.
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Eric Auer]

Hi Thomas,

> Some of the PCI-Express and USB modems had actual controller,
> meaning they would work with Linux, the BSDs, and maybe DOS.

In spite of what the name suggests, most winmodems are
fully supported on Linux as well as far as I know :-)

> I also don't know if dialup Internet or BBS would work
> on my VOIP connection, but telnet should work.

Anything internet, including telnet, will work if you
have internet. But dialup to access internet, BBS or
other things (possibly using a terminal or telnet, but
that is another story) is likely to reach lower speed
when you do it over a VoIP connection, as the voice
compression used internally for VoIP will not match
the expectations of audio quality for full speed of
a classical 56k dial-up modem, I think.

> I was never really successful with USB in (Free)DOS.  It worked when
> the USB drive was recognized by BIOS/UEFI, but only as a fixed drive,
> meaning I could not change USB drives, and a USB stick inserted when
> FreeDOS was running would not be recognized.

Indeed, while BIOS support is nice to get anything to
work without needing DOS drivers, it is quite limited.

My assumption is that "serial port style USB devices"
are generic enough to be supported by actual DOS USB
such as http://bretjohnson.us/ but to be honest, I
have not actually checked the details for that case.

Regards, Eric


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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Thomas Mueller]

from dmccunney:

> I'm not, and more modem information can be found here:
> http://www.modemsite.com/56k/dos.asp
 
> But the biggest challenge is likely to be "What do you call if you
> *can* get a working modem?"

> Dennis

That was my point on my last message: BBSes now are very hard to find.  But 
there are still some in existence, and users who like to relive history.

The Internet is clearly much more efficient than having to dial every BBS 
separately and disconnect from one before dialing another, and having to pay 
long-distance telephone charges.

Dialup modem can be useful for sending and receiving fax, but many people 
nowadays use a multifunction inkjet or laser printer for that purpose.

In 1996, I had a big list of BBSes, but less than half were in operation.

I looked on tigerdirect.com for modems, and there were more than I expected, 
PCI-Express and USB, as well as cable modems.

Some of the PCI-Express and USB modems had actual controller, meaning they 
would work with Linux, the BSDs, and maybe DOS.

I believe most new computers now are shipped with no modem.  When I had a 
modem, it fell into disuse when I got DSL and subsequently cable.  I don't have 
a dialup modem now, figured it was pointless to have a modem if I would never 
use it.

I now have cable Internet and telephone, and when the cable goes down, the 
telephone is not usable, I am then electronically incomunicado.  I also don't 
know if dialup Internet or BBS would work on my VOIP connection, but telnet 
should work.

I was never really successful with USB in (Free)DOS.  It worked when the USB 
drive was recognized by BIOS/UEFI, but only as a fixed drive, meaning I could 
not change USB drives, and a USB stick inserted when FreeDOS was running would 
not be recognized.

Tom


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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Eric Auer  wrote:
>
>> Eric Auer also wrote a simple terminal program years ago, but I'm
>> afraid I never tried it (and probably wouldn't know how!):
>>
>> * https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/net/terminal/
>> * https://www.auersoft.eu/soft/
>
> That terminal is indeed extremely simple :-) The idea was to
> have something which runs on 8086 and needs no ANSI driver.

FYI, there was already a copy of 2007 on iBiblio under
/util/user/terminal/ , so I just copied that to the above URL, just to
keep things sync'ed.

* https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/user/terminal/

So now even naive Google searches by noobs like me can still find the
latest version (if needed).:-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[dmccunney]

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 3:42 PM, Eric Auer  wrote:

> Obviously a signal processing driver for a winmodem requires some
> CPU power, but Pentium III is fast enough for that. The problem is that
> you basically have no winmodem drivers for DOS at all as far as I know.

I've never seen any.  DOS was dead as a commercial product before
winmodems came about, and there was no reason for anyone to try to
create a driver.

> So as mentioned elsewhere in the thread, try external modems with
> serial port connection if you have such a port.

It should be easy enough to score a USR or the like off eBay.

> If you have only USB, you keep the dilemma: USB modems might
> do "real" data exchange over a virtual serial port, but USB modems
> might also be winmodems, which behave like USB soundcards
> with some modifications.

> Generic USB drivers for DOS should be fine for the serial port case -
> but not for winmodems.

And you face the paucity of generic USB drivers for DOS.  USB also
came about after DOS was dead.  I don't believe the USB drivers I'm
aware of support the needed features.

> In any case, I am positively surprised by the number of
> software recommendations and links in this thread :-)

I'm not, and more modem information can be found here:
http://www.modemsite.com/56k/dos.asp

But the biggest challenge is likely to be "What do you call if you
*can* get a working modem?"

> Regards, Eric
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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Dale E Sterner]

Good I'll try it.

cheers
DS



On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 12:28:35 -0700 (PDT) geneb 
writes:
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> 
> > My copy asks for money for a key but noone left to collect it.
> > I used up half my legal trys brfore it shuts down.
> > What was that link again?
> >
> 
> You can also go here: 
> http://cd.textfiles.com/hackersencyc/PC/CRAKHOUS/FILES.HTM and grab 
> the 
> file called "351crack.com" - I tested against the Telix download I 
> pointed 
> you to and it did work.
> 
> g.
> 
> 
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[Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Eric Auer]

Hi again,

sorry to write two mails about one topic...

> My laptop has a hardware modem, internal. It's a Pentium III machine,
> so I'm not sure what risks that may imply about it being a Winmodem
> I've heard such nasty things about.

Winmodems basically are soundcards: You need a driver which
does the conversion between sounds and data, while classic
modems for the serial port already did that for you and give
the PC the actual data. Obviously a signal processing driver
for a winmodem requires some CPU power, but Pentium III is
fast enough for that. The problem is that you basically have
no winmodem drivers for DOS at all as far as I know. So as
mentioned elsewhere in the thread, try external modems with
serial port connection if you have such a port. If you have
only USB, you keep the dilemma: USB modems might do "real"
data exchange over a virtual serial port, but USB modems
might also be winmodems, which behave like USB soundcards
with some modifications. Generic USB drivers for DOS should
be fine for the serial port case - but not for winmodems.

In any case, I am positively surprised by the number of
software recommendations and links in this thread :-)

Regards, Eric


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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[geneb]

On Mon, 16 Apr 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote:


My copy asks for money for a key but noone left to collect it.
I used up half my legal trys brfore it shuts down.
What was that link again?



You can also go here: 
http://cd.textfiles.com/hackersencyc/PC/CRAKHOUS/FILES.HTM and grab the 
file called "351crack.com" - I tested against the Telix download I pointed 
you to and it did work.


g.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Eric Auer]

Hi Rugxulo, others,

> Eric Auer also wrote a simple terminal program years ago, but I'm
> afraid I never tried it (and probably wouldn't know how!):
> 
> * https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/net/terminal/
> * https://www.auersoft.eu/soft/

That terminal is indeed extremely simple :-) The idea was to
have something which runs on 8086 and needs no ANSI driver.

It is so minimalistic that I even got a contributed version
which can be put into flash or EPROM to use without DOS :-)

Basically it just sends what you type to the other side and
displays what it receives, with ANSI rendering. There are a
few F-keys to change serial port connection details and such.

You should probably use one of the nicer freeware terminals
suggested in the thread. And yes, modern devices such as a
gsm, or wireless or bluetooth modules for microcontrollers,
still tend to understand AT Hayes style commands over some
sort of real or wrapped (into USB for example) serial line.

Have fun with the BBS and your modem! Cheers, Eric


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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[geneb]

On Mon, 16 Apr 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote:


My copy asks for money for a key but noone left to collect it.
I used up half my legal trys brfore it shuts down.
What was that link again?


http://www.retroarchive.org/garbo/pc/termprog/telix351.zip

I installed this in dosBox to see what it would do and unlike previous 
versions, there IS a 45 day timer.  Install it and work with it - if you 
like it, I'll dig out an older version that I have that lacks the timer.


g.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Dale E Sterner]

My copy asks for money for a key but noone left to collect it.
I used up half my legal trys brfore it shuts down.
What was that link again?

DS



On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 16:41:56 -0700 (PDT) geneb 
writes:
> On Sun, 15 Apr 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> 
> > The copy I downloaded does. The download did not include
> > the password. You only have to enter it once then its good
> > foreever.
> > Do you have the password ?
> >
> No legitimate version of Telix that I've ever seen requires a 
> password. 
> Download the one from the link I posted a few messages back.  As far 
> as I 
> know, that was the last shareware release and all it will do is nag 
> you.
> 
> g.
> 
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[geneb]

On Sun, 15 Apr 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote:


The copy I downloaded does. The download did not include
the password. You only have to enter it once then its good
foreever.
Do you have the password ?

No legitimate version of Telix that I've ever seen requires a password. 
Download the one from the link I posted a few messages back.  As far as I 
know, that was the last shareware release and all it will do is nag you.


g.



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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Dale E Sterner]

I believe that external zoom modens are still for sale and support
the old AT commands

cheers
DS

.

On Fri, 13 Apr 2018 13:36:36 -0400 dmccunney 
writes:
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 7:02 AM, David McMackins 
>  wrote:
> > My laptop has a hardware modem, internal. It's a Pentium III 
> machine, so
> > I'm not sure what risks that may imply about it being a Winmodem 
> I've
> > heard such nasty things about.
> 
> Winmodems were simplified devices which got the nod for systems
> because they were cheaper, and PC vendors all looking to shave 
> pennies
> on what it cost to make a system.  They were called Winmodems 
> because
> the stuff left out of the modem in hardware was supplied in software
> by Windows.  If you weren't *running* Windows, you had problems.
> 
> Does your laptop have a serial port?  If the internal modem is a
> Winmodem, you might be able to score a Hayes or USR external modem
> from eBay or the like, connect it to the serial port, and not use 
> the
> internal modem for this.
> 
> > I will look into Net-Tamer and Procom. Telix was the software I 
> had
> > found the defunct website for. I'm not sure if I want to trust a 
> mirror.
> 
> What I used to use was Telix.  It should be possible for find a
> working copy. Essentially, DOS comm packages needed to communicate
> with a modem that supported the Hayes AT command set.  When you
> selected something to call from the comm program's list, the program
> would open the port the modem was connected to and send something
> alike "ATDT" to it.  AT woke up the modem, and DT told
> it to dial , and a connection would be established.
> 
> > As far as which BBSes are still alive, there exist directories for
> > finding them, and they are apparently popular among people who are
> > interested in vintage tech. A colleague of mine knows more.
> 
> There aren't very many.  There is a Yahoo group called 80sBBS
> populated by old time BBS folks you might want to look at.  A 
> current
> poster has been talking about getting his old Commodore 64 BBS back 
> on
> line.  (And one of his challenges was client the user could use that
> would reproduce the C64 experience.  It turns out there's an
> applicable open source offering.)
> 
> The problem that such efforts encounter is that very few folks who
> might call BBSes still *have* modems to do dial up access.  Most of
> the BBSes on line now I'm aware of offer telnet access instead.
> 
> I still have a US Robotics 56K modem in a parts drawer, but I no
> longer have a landline to hook it up to.  My phone service is VOIP.
> It might be possible to get the USR to place calls over VOIP, but I
> have nothing to call using it, and it's not worth the effort to
> experiment.
> 
> > David E. McMackins II
> __
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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Dale E Sterner]

The copy I downloaded does. The download did not include
the password. You only have to enter it once then its good
foreever.
Do you have the password ?


DS



On Fri, 13 Apr 2018 09:10:39 -0700 (PDT) geneb 
writes:
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> 
> > A really good one is xtalk; if you can find it. Procomm is also
> > good; if you can find it. Telex requires a password otherwise
> > it stops working after a few uses. Procomm is nice to look at
> 
> It's called "Telix", and no it does not stop working or require a 
> password.
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Dale E Sterner]

I have no idea. I've never seen it as a download or even
for sale. It was very popular for awhile then disappeared.
I use it to print to a blurtooth printer. I establish the BT
link with xtalk then exit to dos . I can print by using the dos
copy command to copy a .prn file to the com port.
Tried it with procomm but failed.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi,

>> I will look into Net-Tamer and Procom. Telix was the software I had
>> found the defunct website for. I'm not sure if I want to trust a mirror.
> 
> Try looking here:
> 
> * http://www.bttr-software.de/freesoft/comm1.htm

There also are UniCom (and Teleservice) at
.
The site is in German only, but UniCom also has a short manual in
English in README.TXT.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 6:02 AM, David McMackins  wrote:
>
> I will look into Net-Tamer and Procom. Telix was the software I had
> found the defunct website for. I'm not sure if I want to trust a mirror.

Try looking here:

* http://www.bttr-software.de/freesoft/comm1.htm

Eric Auer also wrote a simple terminal program years ago, but I'm
afraid I never tried it (and probably wouldn't know how!):

* https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/net/terminal/
* https://www.auersoft.eu/soft/

(Not exactly sure which exact version is latest / best, either! 2005?
2007? Does iBiblio not have the latest? Argh, dunno!)

There's also a 2015 thread on Vintage Computer Forum titled "Best
terminal program for DOS / 8086?" with some interesting suggestions:

* http://www.vcfed.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-49198.html

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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[dmccunney]

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 7:02 AM, David McMackins  wrote:
> My laptop has a hardware modem, internal. It's a Pentium III machine, so
> I'm not sure what risks that may imply about it being a Winmodem I've
> heard such nasty things about.

Winmodems were simplified devices which got the nod for systems
because they were cheaper, and PC vendors all looking to shave pennies
on what it cost to make a system.  They were called Winmodems because
the stuff left out of the modem in hardware was supplied in software
by Windows.  If you weren't *running* Windows, you had problems.

Does your laptop have a serial port?  If the internal modem is a
Winmodem, you might be able to score a Hayes or USR external modem
from eBay or the like, connect it to the serial port, and not use the
internal modem for this.

> I will look into Net-Tamer and Procom. Telix was the software I had
> found the defunct website for. I'm not sure if I want to trust a mirror.

What I used to use was Telix.  It should be possible for find a
working copy. Essentially, DOS comm packages needed to communicate
with a modem that supported the Hayes AT command set.  When you
selected something to call from the comm program's list, the program
would open the port the modem was connected to and send something
alike "ATDT" to it.  AT woke up the modem, and DT told
it to dial , and a connection would be established.

> As far as which BBSes are still alive, there exist directories for
> finding them, and they are apparently popular among people who are
> interested in vintage tech. A colleague of mine knows more.

There aren't very many.  There is a Yahoo group called 80sBBS
populated by old time BBS folks you might want to look at.  A current
poster has been talking about getting his old Commodore 64 BBS back on
line.  (And one of his challenges was client the user could use that
would reproduce the C64 experience.  It turns out there's an
applicable open source offering.)

The problem that such efforts encounter is that very few folks who
might call BBSes still *have* modems to do dial up access.  Most of
the BBSes on line now I'm aware of offer telnet access instead.

I still have a US Robotics 56K modem in a parts drawer, but I no
longer have a landline to hook it up to.  My phone service is VOIP.
It might be possible to get the USR to place calls over VOIP, but I
have nothing to call using it, and it's not worth the effort to
experiment.

> David E. McMackins II
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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[geneb]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote:


A really good one is xtalk; if you can find it. Procomm is also
good; if you can find it. Telex requires a password otherwise
it stops working after a few uses. Procomm is nice to look at


It's called "Telix", and no it does not stop working or require a 
password.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[David McMackins]

Is this related to the xtalk available in the Debian repository?


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On 04/13/2018 08:46 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> A really good one is xtalk; if you can find it. Procomm is also
> good; if you can find it. Telex requires a password otherwise
> it stops working after a few uses. Procomm is nice to look at
> but xtalk is a little better. I wish someone would write an xtalk 
> clone extended to other ports - usb etc. Xtalk with usb would
> be useful in testing ports.
> 
> 
> cheers
> DS
> 
> 
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 17:37:49 -0500 David McMackins
>  writes:
>> I have a late 90s vintage laptop running FreeDOS, and I'd like to use 
>> it
>> to connect to a BBS system directly over a phone line using its 
>> modem.
>> Even if it turns out that this modem in particular won't work, I'd 
>> still
>> like some help finding software for this.
>>
>> My cursory web search led me to a website that was last updated in 
>> 2001
>> and had broken links to the software. What software is available for
>> DOS-compatible systems that will let me do this? I don't want to use
>> some ethernet/wifi adapter to hack together a solution. I want the
>> authentic experience.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Happy Hacking,
>>
>> David E. McMackins II
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>> Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889)
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Dale E Sterner]

A really good one is xtalk; if you can find it. Procomm is also
good; if you can find it. Telex requires a password otherwise
it stops working after a few uses. Procomm is nice to look at
but xtalk is a little better. I wish someone would write an xtalk 
clone extended to other ports - usb etc. Xtalk with usb would
be useful in testing ports.


cheers
DS


On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 17:37:49 -0500 David McMackins
 writes:
> I have a late 90s vintage laptop running FreeDOS, and I'd like to use 
> it
> to connect to a BBS system directly over a phone line using its 
> modem.
> Even if it turns out that this modem in particular won't work, I'd 
> still
> like some help finding software for this.
> 
> My cursory web search led me to a website that was last updated in 
> 2001
> and had broken links to the software. What software is available for
> DOS-compatible systems that will let me do this? I don't want to use
> some ethernet/wifi adapter to hack together a solution. I want the
> authentic experience.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Happy Hacking,
> 
> David E. McMackins II
> Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972)
> Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889)
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[geneb]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2018, David McMackins wrote:


I will look into Net-Tamer and Procom. Telix was the software I had
found the defunct website for. I'm not sure if I want to trust a mirror.



Here you go: http://www.retroarchive.org/garbo/pc/termprog/telix351.zip

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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[David McMackins]

My laptop has a hardware modem, internal. It's a Pentium III machine, so
I'm not sure what risks that may imply about it being a Winmodem I've
heard such nasty things about.

I will look into Net-Tamer and Procom. Telix was the software I had
found the defunct website for. I'm not sure if I want to trust a mirror.

As far as which BBSes are still alive, there exist directories for
finding them, and they are apparently popular among people who are
interested in vintage tech. A colleague of mine knows more.


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On 04/13/2018 12:12 AM, Thomas Mueller wrote:
> from David McMackins:
> 
>> I have a late 90s vintage laptop running FreeDOS, and I'd like to use it
>> to connect to a BBS system directly over a phone line using its modem.
>> Even if it turns out that this modem in particular won't work, I'd still
>> like some help finding software for this.
> 
>> My cursory web search led me to a website that was last updated in 2001
>> and had broken links to the software. What software is available for
>> DOS-compatible systems that will let me do this? I don't want to use
>> some ethernet/wifi adapter to hack together a solution. I want the
>> authentic experience.
> 
>> Thanks in advance.
> 
>> Happy Hacking,
> 
>> David E. McMackins II
>> Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972)
>> Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889)
> 
> Karen Lewellen responded:
> 
>> Let me be sure I understand the setup you have in place.
>> You have a laptop with a modem, card or internal?  that modem can connect to
>> a phone line yes?  You have dos drivers for the modem yes?
>> Frankly  I want to know which one.
>> You  wish to dial into a bbs service with this modem.
>> Okay, three programs come to mind.
>>  Nettamer is likely the best because it has allot of structure.  the edition
>> you need will depend on the  nature of your laptop, 386 486 Pentium etc.
>> or  286 and less etc.
>> I have  both copies of nettamer so can share.
>> there are two others, procom, and telix..I hope I have the last  program name
>> correct.
>> I can direct you to places where those can be found as well.
>> If you do not mind sharing  the specifications of your machine,  it will 
>> help.
>> I am sure you  know this, but you will need to know the com port and IRQ for
>> the modem.
> 
> I didn't think you needed specific DOS drivers to use a hardware modem.  A 
> Winmodem is another matter, and nasty.
> 
> I remember Net-Tamer made it difficult to setup with a modem having port 
> address of 4 hexadecimal digits, such as d800, because its setup form only 
> allowed 3 hex digits.
> 
> A workaround was to use DEBUG to write the serial port address to lower 
> memory, but forget just where (somewhere around hex 0040?).
> 
> But I never actually setup or used Net-Tamer, and time has long run out for 
> any prospect of my using Net-Tamer.
> 
> But even if you can setup the modem, where do you find a BBS?  Haven't they 
> all disappeared with the advent and expansion of the Internet?
> 
> I remember back in 1997 seeing an online list of BBSes, and more than half 
> were no good or no longer valid. 
> 
> For software, there is also Kermit, developed at Columbia University and now 
> at 
> http://www.kermitproject.org/
> 
> Some links that you might find relevant are (copied and pasted)
> 
> 
> The Zip files containing all the files, both text and binary, is here:
> 
>   ftp://ftp.kermitproject.org/kermit/archives/bbc146.zip (via FTP)
>   http:://www.kermitproject.org/ftp/kermit/archives/bbc146.zip (via HTTP)
> 
> It seems to me there should be one colon and not two following "http".
> 
> Tom
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[zbigniew2011]

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 05:56:59AM +, Jim Hall wrote:

> I also remember using Telix and ProComm for this, both under MS-DOS before
> FreeDOS was a thing. I don't know web sites, but you can probably Google
> them.

 http://vetusware.com/category/Communication/?cat=6

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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Jim Hall]

I also remember using Telix and ProComm for this, both under MS-DOS before
FreeDOS was a thing. I don't know web sites, but you can probably Google
them.

Telix was shareware. Don't remember about ProComm.


...
>
> For software, there is also Kermit, developed at Columbia University and
> now at
> http://www.kermitproject.org/
>
> Some links that you might find relevant are (copied and pasted)
>
>
> The Zip files containing all the files, both text and binary, is here:
>
>   ftp://ftp.kermitproject.org/kermit/archives/bbc146.zip (via FTP)
>   http:://www.kermitproject.org/ftp/kermit/archives/bbc146.zip (via HTTP)
>
> It seems to me there should be one colon and not two following "http".
>
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Thomas,
As for where to find   bbs today?
well...
 A 1986 bulletin board system has brought the old Web back to life in 2017

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/a-1986-bulletin-board
-system-has-brought-the-old-web-back-to-life-in-2017/ 
great article.  somewhere I have a list of others.

Kare



On Fri, 13 Apr 2018, Thomas Mueller wrote:


from David McMackins:


I have a late 90s vintage laptop running FreeDOS, and I'd like to use it
to connect to a BBS system directly over a phone line using its modem.
Even if it turns out that this modem in particular won't work, I'd still
like some help finding software for this.



My cursory web search led me to a website that was last updated in 2001
and had broken links to the software. What software is available for
DOS-compatible systems that will let me do this? I don't want to use
some ethernet/wifi adapter to hack together a solution. I want the
authentic experience.



Thanks in advance.



Happy Hacking,



David E. McMackins II
Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972)
Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889)


Karen Lewellen responded:


Let me be sure I understand the setup you have in place.
You have a laptop with a modem, card or internal?  that modem can connect to
a phone line yes?  You have dos drivers for the modem yes?
Frankly  I want to know which one.
You  wish to dial into a bbs service with this modem.
Okay, three programs come to mind.
 Nettamer is likely the best because it has allot of structure.  the edition
you need will depend on the  nature of your laptop, 386 486 Pentium etc.
or  286 and less etc.
I have  both copies of nettamer so can share.
there are two others, procom, and telix..I hope I have the last  program name
correct.
I can direct you to places where those can be found as well.
If you do not mind sharing  the specifications of your machine,  it will help.
I am sure you  know this, but you will need to know the com port and IRQ for
the modem.


I didn't think you needed specific DOS drivers to use a hardware modem.  A 
Winmodem is another matter, and nasty.

I remember Net-Tamer made it difficult to setup with a modem having port 
address of 4 hexadecimal digits, such as d800, because its setup form only 
allowed 3 hex digits.

A workaround was to use DEBUG to write the serial port address to lower memory, 
but forget just where (somewhere around hex 0040?).

But I never actually setup or used Net-Tamer, and time has long run out for any 
prospect of my using Net-Tamer.

But even if you can setup the modem, where do you find a BBS?  Haven't they all 
disappeared with the advent and expansion of the Internet?

I remember back in 1997 seeing an online list of BBSes, and more than half were 
no good or no longer valid.

For software, there is also Kermit, developed at Columbia University and now at
http://www.kermitproject.org/

Some links that you might find relevant are (copied and pasted)


The Zip files containing all the files, both text and binary, is here:

 ftp://ftp.kermitproject.org/kermit/archives/bbc146.zip (via FTP)
 http:://www.kermitproject.org/ftp/kermit/archives/bbc146.zip (via HTTP)

It seems to me there should be one colon and not two following "http".

Tom


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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Thomas Mueller]

from David McMackins:

> I have a late 90s vintage laptop running FreeDOS, and I'd like to use it
> to connect to a BBS system directly over a phone line using its modem.
> Even if it turns out that this modem in particular won't work, I'd still
> like some help finding software for this.

> My cursory web search led me to a website that was last updated in 2001
> and had broken links to the software. What software is available for
> DOS-compatible systems that will let me do this? I don't want to use
> some ethernet/wifi adapter to hack together a solution. I want the
> authentic experience.

> Thanks in advance.

> Happy Hacking,

> David E. McMackins II
> Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972)
> Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889)

Karen Lewellen responded:

> Let me be sure I understand the setup you have in place.
> You have a laptop with a modem, card or internal?  that modem can connect to
> a phone line yes?  You have dos drivers for the modem yes?
> Frankly  I want to know which one.
> You  wish to dial into a bbs service with this modem.
> Okay, three programs come to mind.
>  Nettamer is likely the best because it has allot of structure.  the edition
> you need will depend on the  nature of your laptop, 386 486 Pentium etc.
> or  286 and less etc.
> I have  both copies of nettamer so can share.
> there are two others, procom, and telix..I hope I have the last  program name
> correct.
> I can direct you to places where those can be found as well.
> If you do not mind sharing  the specifications of your machine,  it will help.
> I am sure you  know this, but you will need to know the com port and IRQ for
> the modem.

I didn't think you needed specific DOS drivers to use a hardware modem.  A 
Winmodem is another matter, and nasty.

I remember Net-Tamer made it difficult to setup with a modem having port 
address of 4 hexadecimal digits, such as d800, because its setup form only 
allowed 3 hex digits.

A workaround was to use DEBUG to write the serial port address to lower memory, 
but forget just where (somewhere around hex 0040?).

But I never actually setup or used Net-Tamer, and time has long run out for any 
prospect of my using Net-Tamer.

But even if you can setup the modem, where do you find a BBS?  Haven't they all 
disappeared with the advent and expansion of the Internet?

I remember back in 1997 seeing an online list of BBSes, and more than half were 
no good or no longer valid. 

For software, there is also Kermit, developed at Columbia University and now at 
http://www.kermitproject.org/

Some links that you might find relevant are (copied and pasted)


The Zip files containing all the files, both text and binary, is here:

  ftp://ftp.kermitproject.org/kermit/archives/bbc146.zip (via FTP)
  http:://www.kermitproject.org/ftp/kermit/archives/bbc146.zip (via HTTP)

It seems to me there should be one colon and not two following "http".

Tom


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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi,
Let me be sure I understand the setup you have in place.
You have a laptop with a modem, card or internal?  that modem can connect 
to  a phone line yes?  You have dos drivers for the modem yes?

Frankly  I want to know which one.
You  wish to dial into a bbs service with this modem.
Okay, three programs come to mind.
 Nettamer is likely the best because it has allot of structure.  the 
edition you need will depend on the  nature of your laptop, 386 486 
Pentium etc.

or  286 and less etc.
I have  both copies of nettamer so can share.
there are two others, procom, and telix..I hope I have the last  program 
name   correct.

I can direct you to places where those can be found as well.
If you do not mind sharing  the specifications of your machine,  it 
will help.
I am sure you  know this, but you will need to know the com port and IRQ 
for the modem.

Cheers,
Karen



On Thu, 12 Apr 2018, David McMackins wrote:


I have a late 90s vintage laptop running FreeDOS, and I'd like to use it
to connect to a BBS system directly over a phone line using its modem.
Even if it turns out that this modem in particular won't work, I'd still
like some help finding software for this.

My cursory web search led me to a website that was last updated in 2001
and had broken links to the software. What software is available for
DOS-compatible systems that will let me do this? I don't want to use
some ethernet/wifi adapter to hack together a solution. I want the
authentic experience.

Thanks in advance.

Happy Hacking,

David E. McMackins II
Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972)
Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889)

www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com
www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org

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[Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[David McMackins]

I have a late 90s vintage laptop running FreeDOS, and I'd like to use it
to connect to a BBS system directly over a phone line using its modem.
Even if it turns out that this modem in particular won't work, I'd still
like some help finding software for this.

My cursory web search led me to a website that was last updated in 2001
and had broken links to the software. What software is available for
DOS-compatible systems that will let me do this? I don't want to use
some ethernet/wifi adapter to hack together a solution. I want the
authentic experience.

Thanks in advance.

Happy Hacking,

David E. McMackins II
Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972)
Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889)

www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com
www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org

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