Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[seorge]

Finally I've purchased a Vibra 16 sound card and now the sounds work!
Just want to let you know. :)
Thanks everybody for help!
But I'm ready to test that Mwave card I have to fix the incompatibility we've 
recovered.

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From: dima <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup
Date: Sunday 09 October 2005 01:19
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >On Monday I'm going to visit some PC shops which sells old hardware. Is
> > there any tips about those ISA soundblaster cards? Which model,
> > manufacturer, etc.? Thanks in advance!
>
> Creative ViBRA16X ISA card work not bad under FreeDOS.
>
> P.S. btw, this card have FM tuner. Does anybody know how to listen a FM
> radio stations under FreeDOS?>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[seorge]

Thanks, but I've allready checked the things with MS-DOS floppy. What I know 
now is that with MS I get no error messages, but I still can't check is the 
sound driver work, because apps which use sound claims that there is no 
enough memory. So actually I know nothing :)

--- Original message ---
From: Carl Spitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup
Date: Tuesday 11 October 2005 00:57
> Would a boot floppy work.  I can make a dd of one from PCDOS2000 by ibm.
> Put as much as I can on it and send it to you or if possible the files
> area if this list has such.



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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[Carl Spitzer]

On Sun, 2005-10-09 at 10:45 -0700, Brolin Empey wrote:

> You should have used MS-DOS v7 (which ships with Windows 9x), which 
> supports FAT32!
> 
> http://www.mbhs.edu/~jaosborn/boot98se.exe
> 
> Try that.  It is a self-extracting zip archive, so extract it with e.g 
> InfoZIP.  On Linux you can then run the following to write it to a diskette:
> 
> dd if=winb98se.IMA of=/dev/fda
> 
How do you convert the executable with its overhead directly to an
image?  As I remember the executable contains the image but I dont 
know the offset as to where in the EXE the image starts.

CWSIV




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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[Carl Spitzer]

On Sun, 2005-10-09 at 12:22 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > If you provide me with which model Aptiva you have, it might help me
> > to ensure you have the proper drivers.
> The exact model No. is: 2176352.
> Information about this model available at the IBM site. There was a win95 
> originally pre-installed on this PC. 
> 
> >If you have access to a MS/PC boot disk, you may want to try running
> >the mwave setup from there to see if that helps (once setup it may
> >run fine with the FD kernel).  Please let me know if everything works
> >when booting this but not FD or if once installed (using MS/PC kernel)
> >it works for FD kernel.
> I don't have MS-DOS or PC-DOS, but I can download OpenDOS if it can help to 
> test the things. 

Would a boot floppy work.  I can make a dd of one from PCDOS2000 by ibm.
Put as much as I can on it and send it to you or if possible the files
area if this list has such.

Then all you need is a program to put the image back.  BTW there is a
port of dd for windows which runs in konsole under 98 or xp.  The
command line is somewhat different than linux people are accustomed to.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[seorge]

Unfortunately there is only Windows drivers for my CS4280 PCI card on 
driverguide dot com (and of course it supported by newer versions of Windows 
and by Linux/BSD kernels) and as we now know the Mwave drivers for DOS or 
1/incompatible with my ISA card or 2/incompatible with FreeDOS.


--- Original message ---
From: Tom Lee Mullins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup
Date: Monday 10 October 2005 17:42
>
> http://list.driverguide.com/list/DOS/company967/
> Partial List of SoundBlaster DOS Drivers
> http://list.driverguide.com/list/DOS/company258/
>
> http://list.driverguide.com/list/DOS/company258/
> soundblaster drivers for dos
> <http://www.computing.net/dos/wwwboard/forum/14837.html#>
> http://www.computing.net/windows31/wwwboard/forum/10418.html
>
> I found the above results with Google. Does any of the above help?



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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[Tom Lee Mullins]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Yes, that was a rather stupid question about win drivers for DOS.
And is there any tip for a 100% DOS compatible PCI sound card? I mean no 
drivers, etc needed? 
Thanks in advance!


--- Original message ---
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Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup
Date: Friday 07 October 2005 19:50
 


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   


I've find some drivers here for this card
(http://members.driverguide.com/driver/detail.php?driverid=71335)
but as I can see those drivers for windows. Is there any chance that I
can make them work in FreeDOS?
 


No, you cannot use Windows drivers with FreeDOS.

Why don't you make things a lot easier and simply buy an ISA
SoundBlaster card?  Depending on the model, you do not need any drivers,
Plug & Play initialisation utilities, or any other software because DOS
applications supporting the SB provide their own routines to "drive" the
card.

I have two CT2960 (ViBRA 16C, according to the IC labelled U3 on the
board) cards which work with all DOS applications written to drive a
plain SB or SB16.


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http://list.driverguide.com/list/DOS/company967/
Partial List of SoundBlaster DOS Drivers
http://list.driverguide.com/list/DOS/company258/

http://list.driverguide.com/list/DOS/company258/
soundblaster drivers for dos 
<http://www.computing.net/dos/wwwboard/forum/14837.html#>

http://www.computing.net/windows31/wwwboard/forum/10418.html

I found the above results with Google. Does any of the above help?


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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[Brolin Empey]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've managed to install the mwave drivers with the MS boot floppy and there is 
no error messages while loading the drivers. But I can not test the sound 
because every applications which use sound says that there is no enough 
memory to run. I've setup the MS config.sys on floppy to load DOS high, but 
it doesn't help.


Post your MS-DOS CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files.  It may be possible 
to configure things differently in order to leave more memory free after 
all drivers have been loaded.


DOS=high will only work if you have high memory available.  It is 
possible that you do not have e.g. EMM386 loaded to provide this high 
memory, which would cause everything loaded in CONFIG.SYS to be 
installed in low memory.



What should be the next step? How can I adopt the drivers to FreeDOS?





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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[seorge]

I've modified the FD autoexec.bat and config.sys, but it still comes with an 
error message like: "MCB chain corrupted, or MS-DOS incompatible system". 
Probably it's not a big problem, because when FD boot I can hear some sound 
from speaker (like when you turn it on) and the same sounds was with MS. But 
the driver conflict with mouse and cd driver and still not work and 
unfortunately I have no expirience with setup ISA cards in BIOS.
Of course I'll be glad to help you to test the things.

--- Original message ---
From: "Kenneth J. Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup
Date: Sunday 09 October 2005 21:35
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I've managed to install the mwave drivers with the MS boot floppy and
> > there is no error messages while loading the drivers. But I can not test
> > the sound because every applications which use sound says that there is
> > no enough memory to run. I've setup the MS config.sys on floppy to load
> > DOS high, but it doesn't help.
> > What should be the next step? How can I adopt the drivers to FreeDOS?
>
> If they aren't already, copy the mwave directories to your FD drive,
> then copy the entries added to your config.sys & autoexec.bat for MSDOS
> to your config.sys & autoexec.bat for FD (adjusting paths as needed).
> See if the driver loads ok. If it does then hopefully you will also have
> enough free memory to try and use the sound.  If it doesn't then your
> options are either not use FD with sound or work with me running a bunch
> of tests to help track down the incompatibilities hopefully leading to a
> fix.
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[Kenneth J. Davis]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I've managed to install the mwave drivers with the MS boot floppy and there is 
no error messages while loading the drivers. But I can not test the sound 
because every applications which use sound says that there is no enough 
memory to run. I've setup the MS config.sys on floppy to load DOS high, but 
it doesn't help.

What should be the next step? How can I adopt the drivers to FreeDOS?



If they aren't already, copy the mwave directories to your FD drive, 
then copy the entries added to your config.sys & autoexec.bat for MSDOS 
to your config.sys & autoexec.bat for FD (adjusting paths as needed).
See if the driver loads ok. If it does then hopefully you will also have 
enough free memory to try and use the sound.  If it doesn't then your 
options are either not use FD with sound or work with me running a bunch 
of tests to help track down the incompatibilities hopefully leading to a 
fix.


Jeremy





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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[seorge]

I've managed to install the mwave drivers with the MS boot floppy and there is 
no error messages while loading the drivers. But I can not test the sound 
because every applications which use sound says that there is no enough 
memory to run. I've setup the MS config.sys on floppy to load DOS high, but 
it doesn't help.
What should be the next step? How can I adopt the drivers to FreeDOS?

--- Original message ---
From: Brolin Empey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup
Date: Sunday 09 October 2005 19:45

> You should have used MS-DOS v7 (which ships with Windows 9x), which
> supports FAT32!
>
> http://www.mbhs.edu/~jaosborn/boot98se.exe
>
> Try that.  It is a self-extracting zip archive, so extract it with e.g
> InfoZIP.  On Linux you can then run the following to write it to a
> diskette:
>
> dd if=winb98se.IMA of=/dev/fda
>
>
>
> See if you can have the Mwave driver installer write the required
> changes to CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT to new files (e.g. *.001).  Then
> you can incorporate the changes into your FreeDOS CONFIG.SYS and
> AUTOEXEC.BAT.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[Brolin Empey]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've converted my HDD to FAT, so for a "clear experiment" I can try the MS622. 
As I understand I should now boot from A:, then install the mwave drivers and 
allow them to overwrite the autoexec.bat and config.sys on MS floppy, then 
reboot from floppy again and see if the mwave drivers were correctly loaded?


--- Original message ---
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To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup
Date: Sunday 09 October 2005 16:51

BTW my HDD is formatted as Fat32, so I think this is the problem.




You should have used MS-DOS v7 (which ships with Windows 9x), which 
supports FAT32!


http://www.mbhs.edu/~jaosborn/boot98se.exe

Try that.  It is a self-extracting zip archive, so extract it with e.g 
InfoZIP.  On Linux you can then run the following to write it to a diskette:


dd if=winb98se.IMA of=/dev/fda



See if you can have the Mwave driver installer write the required 
changes to CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT to new files (e.g. *.001).  Then 
you can incorporate the changes into your FreeDOS CONFIG.SYS and 
AUTOEXEC.BAT.



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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[seorge]

I've converted my HDD to FAT, so for a "clear experiment" I can try the MS622. 
As I understand I should now boot from A:, then install the mwave drivers and 
allow them to overwrite the autoexec.bat and config.sys on MS floppy, then 
reboot from floppy again and see if the mwave drivers were correctly loaded?

--- Original message ---
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup
Date: Sunday 09 October 2005 16:51
> BTW my HDD is formatted as Fat32, so I think this is the problem.
>
> --- Original message ---
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup
> Date: Sunday 09 October 2005 16:49
>
> > I've booted from MS floppy but after that I don't know what to do next,
> > because the only device it can see is the A: floppy drive. To install
> > mvawe drivers I need two floppy to start the installation and copy the
> > files to the hard disk, but since when booting from MS floppy only the
> > floppy drive is visible, the mwave driver installation attempts install
> > everything on A: drive. So I really stick here :)
> >
> > --- Original message ---
> > From: Diego Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup
> > Date: Sunday 09 October 2005 13:22
> >
> > > You can get boot disk from lot of sites. e.g.
> > > http://oldfiles.org.uk/powerload/bootdisk.htm
> > > http://www.bootdisk.com/
> > > http://www.allbootdisks.com/
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[seorge]

I've booted from MS floppy but after that I don't know what to do next, 
because the only device it can see is the A: floppy drive. To install mvawe 
drivers I need two floppy to start the installation and copy the files to the 
hard disk, but since when booting from MS floppy only the floppy drive is 
visible, the mwave driver installation attempts install everything on A: 
drive. So I really stick here :) 

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Date: Sunday 09 October 2005 13:22
>
> You can get boot disk from lot of sites. e.g.
> http://oldfiles.org.uk/powerload/bootdisk.htm
> http://www.bootdisk.com/
> http://www.allbootdisks.com/
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[seorge]

BTW my HDD is formatted as Fat32, so I think this is the problem. 

--- Original message ---
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup
Date: Sunday 09 October 2005 16:49
> I've booted from MS floppy but after that I don't know what to do next,
> because the only device it can see is the A: floppy drive. To install mvawe
> drivers I need two floppy to start the installation and copy the files to
> the hard disk, but since when booting from MS floppy only the floppy drive
> is visible, the mwave driver installation attempts install everything on A:
> drive. So I really stick here :)
>
> --- Original message ---
> From: Diego Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup
> Date: Sunday 09 October 2005 13:22
>
> > You can get boot disk from lot of sites. e.g.
> > http://oldfiles.org.uk/powerload/bootdisk.htm
> > http://www.bootdisk.com/
> > http://www.allbootdisks.com/
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[Diego Rodriguez]

> > If you provide me with which model Aptiva you have, it might help
> me
> > to ensure you have the proper drivers.
> The exact model No. is: 2176352.
> Information about this model available at the IBM site. There was a
> win95 
> originally pre-installed on this PC. 
> 
> >If you have access to a MS/PC boot disk, you may want to try running
> >the mwave setup from there to see if that helps (once setup it may
> >run fine with the FD kernel).  Please let me know if everything
> works
> >when booting this but not FD or if once installed (using MS/PC
> kernel)
> >it works for FD kernel.
> I don't have MS-DOS or PC-DOS, but I can download OpenDOS if it can
> help to 
> test the things. 
> 
You can get boot disk from lot of sites. e.g.
http://oldfiles.org.uk/powerload/bootdisk.htm
http://www.bootdisk.com/
http://www.allbootdisks.com/

Hope this helps.



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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[seorge]

Ok, I've downloaded a MS622 boot disk, So I'm going try to install the driver 
with this kernel. Or should I use 5.0 version instead, because as I know 
FreeDOS is compatible with 5.0?

--- Original message ---
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup
Date: Sunday 09 October 2005 12:00
> An Aptiva, makes much more sense now why you have mwave.  :-)
>
> Most likely you are experiencing one of two problems (or both),
> either the drivers are not quite compatible with your particular mwave card
> or they are not quite compatible with the FreeDOS kernel.
>
> From http://freedos.sourceforge.net/laptops/ibm/760e.html
> we know that at least the mwave drivers present in some thinkpads
> are compatible with the FD kernel, it may simply be the wrong driver;
> however there is note of a particular setup portion for mwave not
> functioning (sadly no details) so perhaps you are seeing a related issue.
> [Hopefully not, but it may also indicate a compatibility regression.]
> You may want to compare your config/autoexec with the ones
> listed here, I suspect the needed statements for mwave support will
> be similar on an Aptiva.
>
> If you have access to a MS/PC boot disk, you may want to try running
> the mwave setup from there to see if that helps (once setup it may
> run fine with the FD kernel).  Please let me know if everything works
> when booting this but not FD or if once installed (using MS/PC kernel)
> it works for FD kernel.
>
> If you provide me with which model Aptiva you have, it might help me
> to ensure you have the proper drivers.
>
> thanks,
> Jeremy
>
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> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup
> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 10:52:33 +0200
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
>
>
> ..(my PC is also an IBM Aptiva), but
> after reboot I've got the following error message: "MCB chain setup failed
> (or something like that), or MS-DOS incompatible system".
>
> What it mean and can it be fixed?
> ..
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[seorge]

> If you provide me with which model Aptiva you have, it might help me
> to ensure you have the proper drivers.
The exact model No. is: 2176352.
Information about this model available at the IBM site. There was a win95 
originally pre-installed on this PC. 

>If you have access to a MS/PC boot disk, you may want to try running
>the mwave setup from there to see if that helps (once setup it may
>run fine with the FD kernel).  Please let me know if everything works
>when booting this but not FD or if once installed (using MS/PC kernel)
>it works for FD kernel.
I don't have MS-DOS or PC-DOS, but I can download OpenDOS if it can help to 
test the things. 


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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

An Aptiva, makes much more sense now why you have mwave.  :-)

Most likely you are experiencing one of two problems (or both),
either the drivers are not quite compatible with your particular mwave card or
they are not quite compatible with the FreeDOS kernel.

>From http://freedos.sourceforge.net/laptops/ibm/760e.html
we know that at least the mwave drivers present in some thinkpads
are compatible with the FD kernel, it may simply be the wrong driver;
however there is note of a particular setup portion for mwave not
functioning (sadly no details) so perhaps you are seeing a related issue.
[Hopefully not, but it may also indicate a compatibility regression.]
You may want to compare your config/autoexec with the ones
listed here, I suspect the needed statements for mwave support will
be similar on an Aptiva.

If you have access to a MS/PC boot disk, you may want to try running
the mwave setup from there to see if that helps (once setup it may
run fine with the FD kernel).  Please let me know if everything works
when booting this but not FD or if once installed (using MS/PC kernel)
it works for FD kernel.

If you provide me with which model Aptiva you have, it might help me
to ensure you have the proper drivers.

thanks,
Jeremy

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Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 10:52:33 +0200
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net


..(my PC is also an IBM Aptiva), but 
after reboot I've got the following error message: "MCB chain setup failed 
(or something like that), or MS-DOS incompatible system".

What it mean and can it be fixed?
..



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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[seorge]

I've installed the two .exe files from http://www.fdos.org/mwave/ , because 
those drivers are for IBM Aptiva systems (my PC is also an IBM Aptiva), but 
after reboot I've got the following error message: "MCB chain setup failed 
(or something like that), or MS-DOS incompatible system".

What it mean and can it be fixed?
 
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To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup
Date: Friday 07 October 2005 19:52
> For a decent discussion of Mwave stuff (though slanted towards Linux)
> see http://www.adamcon.org/~dmwick/thinkpad/  with the site that might
> be about your card (being an ISA card and not part of a TP) see
> http://freenetpages.co.uk/hp/mjbou/mwave/boards/dsp2780/mc34w.htm
> or http://www.mikebouckley.net/mwave/boards/dsp2780/mmo.htm
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[dima]

On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>On Monday I'm going to visit some PC shops which sells old hardware. Is there 
>any tips about those ISA soundblaster cards? Which model, manufacturer, etc.?
>Thanks in advance!
Creative ViBRA16X ISA card work not bad under FreeDOS.

P.S. btw, this card have FM tuner. Does anybody know how to listen a FM
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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[Brolin Empey]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday I'm going to visit some PC shops which sells old hardware. Is there 
any tips about those ISA soundblaster cards? Which model, manufacturer, etc.?

Thanks in advance!




I have only used the basic SB models, i.e. those without wavetable 
synthesis as on e.g. the AWE64.  The AWE64 Gold is probably the 
highest-end ISA model, but I have never used one so I don't know what 
the situation is with drivers, Plug & Play manager software, and such.


If you want to use unpowered speakers, you might want to get a card with 
a built-in amplifier (it should have a "dial" to control the volume on 
the card near the input and output jacks).


Wikipedia has a nice article detailing the history of the SoundBlaster: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoundBlaster



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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[seorge]

On Monday I'm going to visit some PC shops which sells old hardware. Is there 
any tips about those ISA soundblaster cards? Which model, manufacturer, etc.?
Thanks in advance!

--- Original message ---
From: Brolin Empey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup
Date: Saturday 08 October 2005 10:01
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Yes, that was a rather stupid question about win drivers for DOS.
> > And is there any tip for a 100% DOS compatible PCI sound card? I mean no
> > drivers, etc needed?
> > Thanks in advance!
>
> There is no such thing as a "DOS compatible" sound card, because DOS
> does not support sound cards.  DOS applications include their own
> routines or use a library such as MIDAS or DIGIPAK to drive a sound
> card.  What you probably want is a PCI card that is hardware compatible
> with a SoundBlaster, so that DOS applications which have been written to
> drive such a card can function.  I don't know much about PCI sound
> cards, so I'm not sure whether there are any which are completely
> hardware compatible with the SoundBlaster (thus not requiring any
> software to achieve compatibility with applications written to drive an
> SB).
>
> With a more modern OS such as Linux or Windows, a kernel driver is
> responsible for driving the sound card.  This way, applications can use
> a standard interface rather than having to support every possible type
> of audio hardware.  This avoids the problem seen on DOS where the
> hardware changes (audio integrated on modern motherboards, which no
> longer include ISA slots), leaving applications to run in silence
> because they only support old audio hardware.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[Brolin Empey]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yes, that was a rather stupid question about win drivers for DOS.
And is there any tip for a 100% DOS compatible PCI sound card? I mean no 
drivers, etc needed? 
Thanks in advance!




There is no such thing as a "DOS compatible" sound card, because DOS 
does not support sound cards.  DOS applications include their own 
routines or use a library such as MIDAS or DIGIPAK to drive a sound 
card.  What you probably want is a PCI card that is hardware compatible 
with a SoundBlaster, so that DOS applications which have been written to 
drive such a card can function.  I don't know much about PCI sound 
cards, so I'm not sure whether there are any which are completely 
hardware compatible with the SoundBlaster (thus not requiring any 
software to achieve compatibility with applications written to drive an SB).


With a more modern OS such as Linux or Windows, a kernel driver is 
responsible for driving the sound card.  This way, applications can use 
a standard interface rather than having to support every possible type 
of audio hardware.  This avoids the problem seen on DOS where the 
hardware changes (audio integrated on modern motherboards, which no 
longer include ISA slots), leaving applications to run in silence 
because they only support old audio hardware.



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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[seorge]

Yes, that was a rather stupid question about win drivers for DOS.
And is there any tip for a 100% DOS compatible PCI sound card? I mean no 
drivers, etc needed? 
Thanks in advance!

--- Original message ---
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To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup
Date: Friday 07 October 2005 19:50
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I've find some drivers here for this card
> > (http://members.driverguide.com/driver/detail.php?driverid=71335)
> > but as I can see those drivers for windows. Is there any chance that I
> > can make them work in FreeDOS?
>
> No, you cannot use Windows drivers with FreeDOS.
>
> Why don't you make things a lot easier and simply buy an ISA
> SoundBlaster card?  Depending on the model, you do not need any drivers,
> Plug & Play initialisation utilities, or any other software because DOS
> applications supporting the SB provide their own routines to "drive" the
> card.
>
> I have two CT2960 (ViBRA 16C, according to the IC labelled U3 on the
> board) cards which work with all DOS applications written to drive a
> plain SB or SB16.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[Kenneth J. Davis]

For a decent discussion of Mwave stuff (though slanted towards Linux) 
see http://www.adamcon.org/~dmwick/thinkpad/  with the site that might 
be about your card (being an ISA card and not part of a TP) see 
http://freenetpages.co.uk/hp/mjbou/mwave/boards/dsp2780/mc34w.htm

or http://www.mikebouckley.net/mwave/boards/dsp2780/mmo.htm

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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[Brolin Empey]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've find some drivers here for this card 
(http://members.driverguide.com/driver/detail.php?driverid=71335)
but as I can see those drivers for windows. Is there any chance that I can 
make them work in FreeDOS? 




No, you cannot use Windows drivers with FreeDOS.

Why don't you make things a lot easier and simply buy an ISA 
SoundBlaster card?  Depending on the model, you do not need any drivers, 
Plug & Play initialisation utilities, or any other software because DOS 
applications supporting the SB provide their own routines to "drive" the 
card.


I have two CT2960 (ViBRA 16C, according to the IC labelled U3 on the 
board) cards which work with all DOS applications written to drive a 
plain SB or SB16.



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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[seorge]

I've find some drivers here for this card 
(http://members.driverguide.com/driver/detail.php?driverid=71335)
but as I can see those drivers for windows. Is there any chance that I can 
make them work in FreeDOS? 

--- Original message ---
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To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup
Date: Friday 07 October 2005 18:06
> Blair Campbell wrote:
> >>1/That isa card don't work at all or 2/ I need to enable in in BIOS by
> >>assigning some system resources to it, but I don't have any documentation
> >> for
> >
> > Usually you must set %BLASTER% to the resources (IRQ...) of the sound
> > card.  If it is not a sound blaster, you also need a driver.
>
> Since you say it is a sound+modem card it is possible they share
> hardware, in which case it most likely will not work without associated
> software driver (an example would be mwave that was used in older IBM
> Thinkpads).  Of course it could simply be a an ISA-PNP [plug-n-play]
> card you may have to configure the resources the card uses; some BIOSes
> may do this, but usually a program accompanies the card and will do this
> for DOS, alternatively the ISAPNP program may work (a real mode DOS
> version is on darklogic.org somewhere or a DJGPP compiled DOS version is
> available from the maintainer's site, sorry I don't have the url handy).
>
> I'm sure you have, but be sure if you want to play CDs directly (as
> opposed to an audio file like a VOC or WAV) that you have the cable
> connected from the CD-ROM to the proper input on the sound card (some
> have multiple ones).
>
> Sorry, but without knowing what exact card you have I can't provide any
> good advice.
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[seorge]

Yes, the bigger chip is: mwave

--- Original message ---
From: "Kenneth J. Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup
Date: Friday 07 October 2005 18:06
> Blair Campbell wrote:
> >>1/That isa card don't work at all or 2/ I need to enable in in BIOS by
> >>assigning some system resources to it, but I don't have any documentation
> >> for
> >
> > Usually you must set %BLASTER% to the resources (IRQ...) of the sound
> > card.  If it is not a sound blaster, you also need a driver.
>
> Since you say it is a sound+modem card it is possible they share
> hardware, in which case it most likely will not work without associated
> software driver (an example would be mwave that was used in older IBM
> Thinkpads).  Of course it could simply be a an ISA-PNP [plug-n-play]
> card you may have to configure the resources the card uses; some BIOSes
> may do this, but usually a program accompanies the card and will do this
> for DOS, alternatively the ISAPNP program may work (a real mode DOS
> version is on darklogic.org somewhere or a DJGPP compiled DOS version is
> available from the maintainer's site, sorry I don't have the url handy).
>
> I'm sure you have, but be sure if you want to play CDs directly (as
> opposed to an audio file like a VOC or WAV) that you have the cable
> connected from the CD-ROM to the proper input on the sound card (some
> have multiple ones).
>
> Sorry, but without knowing what exact card you have I can't provide any
> good advice.
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[seorge]

Ok, I've just removed it. As I said before it's looks like a modem+soundcard 
and it's damn big (bigger then some agp cards). The sound chip is: "Chrystal 
CS4218-KL".
And I still don't understand why it can't play cd-audio.

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To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup
Date: Friday 07 October 2005 17:57
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Unfortunately mpxplay failed to detect my sound cards. I still know
> > nothing about those ISA card, but this PC was made in 1996, so I think
> > the isa card should be at least soundblaster compatible, but previously
> > there was win98
>
> What's its FCC ID? What chips are on the card?
>
> Robert Riebisch



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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[Kenneth J. Davis]

Blair Campbell wrote:


1/That isa card don't work at all or 2/ I need to enable in in BIOS by
assigning some system resources to it, but I don't have any documentation for



Usually you must set %BLASTER% to the resources (IRQ...) of the sound
card.  If it is not a sound blaster, you also need a driver.




Since you say it is a sound+modem card it is possible they share 
hardware, in which case it most likely will not work without associated 
software driver (an example would be mwave that was used in older IBM 
Thinkpads).  Of course it could simply be a an ISA-PNP [plug-n-play] 
card you may have to configure the resources the card uses; some BIOSes 
may do this, but usually a program accompanies the card and will do this 
for DOS, alternatively the ISAPNP program may work (a real mode DOS 
version is on darklogic.org somewhere or a DJGPP compiled DOS version is 
available from the maintainer's site, sorry I don't have the url handy).


I'm sure you have, but be sure if you want to play CDs directly (as 
opposed to an audio file like a VOC or WAV) that you have the cable 
connected from the CD-ROM to the proper input on the sound card (some 
have multiple ones).


Sorry, but without knowing what exact card you have I can't provide any 
good advice.


Jeremy





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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Unfortunately mpxplay failed to detect my sound cards. I still know nothing
> about those ISA card, but this PC was made in 1996, so I think the isa card
> should be at least soundblaster compatible, but previously there was win98

What's its FCC ID? What chips are on the card?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[seorge]

Unfortunately mpxplay failed to detect my sound cards. I still know nothing 
about those ISA card, but this PC was made in 1996, so I think the isa card 
should be at least soundblaster compatible, but previously there was win98 
installed on that PC and it always failed to detect any isa.
And the PCI card is Chrystal Fusion (Cirrus) 4280. Is anybody has similar card 
an was able to set it up under FreeDOS?

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To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup
Date: Friday 07 October 2005 16:53
> > 1/That isa card don't work at all or 2/ I need to enable in in BIOS by
> > assigning some system resources to it, but I don't have any documentation
> > for
>
> Usually you must set %BLASTER% to the resources (IRQ...) of the sound
> card.  If it is not a sound blaster, you also need a driver.
>
> > that PC. But my PCI card aslo wont work under DOS (just plays music from
> > cd) - Wolf3D can't see any soundblasters in my system. Is there any
> > information
>
> Try to get MPXPlay (www.mpxplay.net) to work.  It supports many sound
> cards without needing a driver.  It will also tell you what kind you
> have in the upper-right hand corner.
>
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Who the hell are you, and why are you playing with my kernel?


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Re: [Freedos-user] Soundblaster setup

[Blair Campbell]

> 1/That isa card don't work at all or 2/ I need to enable in in BIOS by
> assigning some system resources to it, but I don't have any documentation for

Usually you must set %BLASTER% to the resources (IRQ...) of the sound
card.  If it is not a sound blaster, you also need a driver.

> that PC. But my PCI card aslo wont work under DOS (just plays music from cd)
> - Wolf3D can't see any soundblasters in my system. Is there any information

Try to get MPXPlay (www.mpxplay.net) to work.  It supports many sound
cards without needing a driver.  It will also tell you what kind you
have in the upper-right hand corner.


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