I dare not really speak for Nick, but I think the essence of his position is
that there is no "out there" nor is there any "in here." There is only a flow
of "experience" that is sometimes "evaluated" (interpreted?) to a false
distinction of in or out — both equally illusory.
davew
On Fri, De
Nick,
I read your Old New Realist paper, but to get a grip on it I must read some
Tolman and Holt - or at least it appears so. However, I have come to one
conclusion so far: that in your academic persona you are a committed experience
monist, but in your public/political persona you are an irre
Gary,
I sent it to your email. If anyone else wants it,I can do the same.
davew
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, at 1:53 PM, Gary Schiltz wrote:
> Is your paper available?
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 7:11 AM Prof David West wrote:
>> Some comments that might be intrusive (in which case,
Some comments that might be intrusive (in which case, I apologize and please
ignore) or contributory as context to the "ownership" discussion.
Two-years ago I presented a paper, "Patterns of Humanity," at a social change
conference. Part of the paper dealt with "economics," — in. quotation marks
gt;
> Nick
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On B
Nick,
After Service, you might pick up a copy of Clifford Gertz's The Interpretation
of Culture and read
"Chapter 1 — Thick Description: Towards an Interpretive Theory of
Culture;"
"Chapter 8 — Ideology as a Cultural System;" and
"Chapter 3 — The Growth of Culture and the Evo
Marcus,
"puritanism" was mentioned only because Nick, and indirectly Frank, used the
term as a self-descriptor. Obviously there are other reasons for self imposed
limits other than puritanism.
You might not pour gasoline on your computer to improve it, but you might
overclock it. For me, hallu
ats do it:
>
> Biosynthesis and Extracellular Concentrations of N,N-dimethyltryptamine
> (DMT) in Mammalian Brain
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-45812-w
>
> I'm still skeptical, of course. There's a lot that rats do that we don't. 8^)
>
&g
Frank,
A puritan in a fast car planning to smoke the vette in the next lane when the
light turns green and then laughing out loud when he does so. Interesting, and
not exactly Roger Williams.
davew
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019, at 2:19 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> Dave,
>
> I smoked hashish in 1969.
Tue, Nov 19, 2019, at 4:45 PM, glen∈ℂ wrote:
> I looked for some scientific evidence of this, but failed to find it.
> Can you clue me in to the sources showing it's made in the brain?
>
> On 11/19/19 7:10 AM, Prof David West wrote:
> > DMT is present, manufactu
**Sad!**
> ** **
> *Nick*
> * *
> *PS: *OK. It’s time I read some Geertz first-hand. Assign me something. Not
> too much, please. N.
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nic
es until you hit the high dosage. Ayuhuasca is pretty much gardens and Gaia.
davew
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019, at 5:28 PM, Steven A Smith wrote:
>
> On 11/18/19 5:13 AM, Prof David West wrote:
>> Nick said:
>>
>> *"What struck me about them was how many of them held the view
Nick said:
*"What struck me about them was how many of them held the view that reality was
beyond experience: i.e., that our experience provided clues to reality, but the
thing itself was beyond experience. I never could convince them that that their
belief in a reality beyond experience had to
s?
> 1. Axiomatic Statements
> 2. The preamble of the US Constitution ("we hold these truths to be
> self-evident")
>
>
> On 11/15/19 6:53 AM, Prof David West wrote:
>> Nick mentioned earlier a concern about relativist talk in this thread. and
>&
I just bought a book for a Dutch friend - 1001 Beers.
On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, at 6:15 PM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote:
> One thing the responses to your post haven't mentioned is that you flatten
> (or "thin" or "reduce") relativism to its most simple form. I find people
> tend to do this with pluralism, as we
Nick mentioned earlier a concern about relativist talk in this thread. and Eric
is using the term in his post. Lest hermeneuticism — a position I have been
advocating — be confused/conflated with relativism (perhaps an unfounded fear),
I wish to note the following:
Hermeneutics (intellectual ge
icholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 12, 2019 1:33 AM
&
and argue the complement: that there
> *is* a difference between real things (like facts) versus spun
> narratives or "cults of personality" (wherein both Trump and JFK are 2
> peas in a pod, regardless of any other differences).
>
>
>
> On 11/11/19 3:26 AM, Prof
Glen writes:
"And I've heard people talk about *engaging* with Trumpists and trying to
tease apart whatever good or bad the ecology associated with Trump has done or
not done. But I fail every time I try. How do you crack open that layered
chitin an Ismist accretes around their self without ki
t;
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of P
logy and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Prof David West
> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2019 2:27 AM
> To: friam@redfish.com
> S
e a few outside that set. If
> you did that, you could come up with a better name for that set than
> "they".
>
> It's the over the top rhetoric that's causing the problem. E.g. when
> you say things like:
>
> On 11/10/19 1:26 AM, Prof David West wr
Marcus,
There was no implication that your ego was bruised, nor anyone else's outside
of the very small number (500-1000) that I included in my definition of "They."
I hope that when you talk about the "red hat folks," you are also speaking of a
small, very small actually, percentage of those s
to their words and actions.
>
> Think of impeachment like your friend telling you there's spinach in your
> teeth.
>
> On 11/9/19 12:05 AM, Prof David West wrote:
> > "They" is a very small number of individuals who directly control/influence
> &g
ort, and, most importantly for "They," some "agonizing reappraisal."
(Mao)
davew
On Fri, Nov 8, 2019, at 7:16 PM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote:
> On 11/8/19 7:44 AM, Prof David West wrote:
> > This would be fine, except for the fact, that by doing so, they are almost
> > guaran
pair.
> It’s Pragmatism.
>
> Nick
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf
Steve,
On the back of my Hermeneutic Card is the pedigree: Hermes Trismegistus,
Dilthey, Heidegger, Gadamer, Derrida, and Foucault with infusions from Hesse
and Jung (the alchemist more than the psychologist). This lineage is quite
distinct from the "interpretation of sacred texts, e.g. the Bib
Or violence. Ad hoc, then systematic.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2019, at 9:49 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> < That last step, believing the fictional story that you weave from
> your interpretation of cherry picked data, is fundamental to the idiocy
> of impeachment. While the story being told may have sub
As a card carrying Hermeneutic (postmodernism historically derives from the
Hermeneutics of Heidegger and his student Gadamer) the flaws of the article
arise from the assertion that Capitalism is/has/embodies some kind of Truth and
therefore un/non/anti-Truth will kill it. From the viewpoint of
A couple of people on the list might be interested in this book, or at least
parts of it.
Alien Information Theory by Andrew R. Gallimore.
Terrence McKenna (all things psychedelic drug related) meets Stephen Wolfram,
via physicists J.A. Wheeler and T. Toffoli.
davew
==
Jewish proverb"
" A whole fool is half a prophet."
My friend Avraham (non FRIAM) recently mentioned that my description of how and
why I want to totally reinvent the manner in which most software is developed
as "prophetic."
davew
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, at 2:33 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
> Pa
Would rather see Dr. Rhetor engage with Dr. Dialog (aka Quentin Tarantino,
prior to his latest effort Once Upon a Time in Hollywood). Power of formally
constructed words and power of artfully constructed words.
davew
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019, at 7:38 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
> Could Dr. Rhetor be
art Hameroff). I am unable to get sufficient traction on
> contemporary QC work including Penrose's nor Stu Kauffman's to know what I
> believe on the topic. I am most sympathetic with the Pibram/Bohm perspective,
> but that is more intuitive than anything.
> I understand th
n anything.
> I understand that Marcus' has moved from LANL to a day-job in full-up Quantum
> Computing. I don't know that Q computing has any implications for Q
> consciousness, but it would seem that it can't help but lead to more
> experience with quantum effects tran
Yes, Sheldrake,yearns for a kind of metaphysical reality and scientific
validity that still eludes him. I think that have have reached, and are at risk
of blending with, homeopathy and the like cure like, the dilution of "stuff"
til there is no stuff left, but the "water has memory."
All based
e this afternoon.
>
> Nick
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com
A longer attempt to address issues raised by Nick and Steve Smith - separate
threaded so those not interested can quickly bypass.
Crude metaphor follows.
Consider this description of an ensemble: a "signal" and a "crystal." The
signal has an attribute, say frequency, and the crystal has an attr
ing below!
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Prof David West
>
iginal Message-
> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Prof David West
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 5:12 AM
> To: friam@redfish.com
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] query and observation
>
> this is the FRIAM I knew and loved,
> **[NST==>Your us
this is the FRIAM I knew and loved,
As one of the deluded ones claiming direct, non intermediated, perception of
that which is behind Hoffman's interface, his arguments are not surprising.
Blaming the existence of the interface on evolution was kind of new and
interesting.
It is the juxtaposi
Hello All,
Traffic on the FRIAM list seems to have ground to a halt, from my reception
point in Amsterdam - i.e. I have seen nothing for some time. Not in spam
filter, so question is has the list trickled to a stop or just not making it
across the Atlantic.?
Observation: an interesting coincid
perhaps relevant to Nicks question:
1. a secondary definition of casuistry is "resolving moral problems by
application of theoretical rules."
2. A Jesuit practice, "reform of the individual," seems to incorporate a sense
(not definition) of "individual" consistent with Duns Scotus' concept of
Found a wonderful library here in Amsterdam, the Ritman, co-located with the
Embassy of the Free Mind in the “House with the Faces.”
Was researching Ramon Lull - founder of computational science - which led me to
Duns Scotus and the concept of haecceity which led to Peirce who uses the term
to
table, and jump into your mouth without any assistance from your
> hands. But I wouldn't bet on it. If I wanted some of that beer, I
> would reach for it.
>
>
> Nick
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
>
Eric,
Your commentary below re: Husserl made we wonder about ways to effectively use,
as metaphor or thought experiment tool, the notion of "augmented reality."
There is some interesting slipperyness: is the 'augment' the objective reality
superimposed on the subjective Reality; is the 'augment
Nick stated:
"I deplore a skepticism that drinks only 9/10ths of the potent, and then puts
the glass down, burps, and walks away with a smug look on its face."
Excepting the mystic who recognizes that "ALL is illusion," has anyone drunk
the full potent?
davew
On Sun, Jul 28, 2019, at 9:23 PM
kind regards. If you ever travel, we both have space to
crash and tours to offer.
davew
On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, at 3:27 AM, Nick Thompson wrote:
> Hi, David,
>
> I realize I didn’t really address your points, I think mostly because I don’t
> understand them. Please see lardin
row it
>> away by the design of the retina?**
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> Nicholas S. Thompson
>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>> Clark University
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>>
>>
t; retina?**
>
> Nick
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish
ot much of a
> disadvantage?
>
> Nick
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Friam [mailto:friam-b
ns/
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Prof David West
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 4:24 AM
> To: friam@redfish.com
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] sensitive, aren't we?
>
> Nick said:
> "I was taught this fasc
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Prof David West
> Sent: Friday, June
Doing some reading on quantum consciousness and embodied mind and came across
these items:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-human-eye-could-help-test-quantum-mechanics/
https://www.nature.com/news/people-can-sense-single-photons-1.20282
(A Rebecca Holmes from Los Alamos Natl. Lab
Daniel Suarez’s latest book, Delta-V, is great read - lots about the junk in
orbit, the futility of Mars, and the viability of asteroid mining. Even has a
Musk type ‘hero’.
dve west
On Mon, May 27, 2019, at 9:12 PM, Steven A Smith wrote:
>
>
> I was born "under the rising sign of Sputnik" in
I remember, a while back, frequent discussions about causality at the "mother
church." My memory is that those issues were never 'resolved'; perhaps because
we did not have Judea Pearl's - Book of Why - to provide us with a formal
mathematics to explain all of causality.
dave west
==
I am going to plug into this conversation at a posting from Nick, and attempt
to pose an answer to his question about why "we" 'cannot' or 'refuse to' offer
a modicum of enlightenment. I would hope that others shred, or improve, my
argument, but only Nick can say if it approximates an answer for
ional/usage variants) that are confirmed in
'flush' and that increases your understanding of the latter. The excluded parts
of the Venn diagram prevent them from becoming true lexical synonyms.
davew
On Sun, May 5, 2019, at 9:04 PM, Prof David West wrote:
> Just finished Thomas K. D
Just finished Thomas K. Disch's, Camp Concentration, first published in 1968 .
Very dystopian future. My pleasure reading ti came from the dozens, perhaps as
many as 100, words encountered for the first time. Unusual, obscure, sometimes
archaic, (e.g. orthoepy) and yet the author put these words
Last colonoscopy I was thoroughly anesthetized but totally conscious. In
recovery room, doctor explaining he had removed three minor polyps and I
interrupted to say I thought I counted four. Shocked look on his part then told
me the fourth was more like a skin tag. The anesthesia did prevent fee
Replying mostly to Steve's post about psychedelics /CAW,
I was a member of the Minneapolis Nest of CAW when I was an undergraduate
student 68-72 and I must confess it was mostly about the sex, closely followed
by struggles to re-define gender/social relationships/roles when everyone
acknowledge
Glen,
Your comments about your Swedish friend's kids reminded me of a ethnographic
expedition I once led. Four undergraduate cultural anthropology students
followed me to San Francisco to do a study of "cyber culture." We started in
Silicon Valley with Jared Lanier and multiple VR pioneers, whi
Dave West supports Nick.
Two proper nouns and such a rich metaphor.
davew
On Thu, Mar 28, 2019, at 1:20 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
> Steve, ‘n all,
>
> Just to be cranky, I want to remind everybody that ALL language use, except
> perhaps tautological expressions, is metaphorical. So then, the
m:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Prof David
> West
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 1:39 PM
> *To:* friam@redfish.com
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] A First Look at the Bose Hearing Aid - Self-Fitting
> Bose "Hearing Aid" Resembles Bose Hearphones
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Prof David
> West
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 11:56 AM
> *To:* friam@redfish
chology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Prof David
> West
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 7:35 AM
> *To:* friam@redfish.com
> *Subject:* Re: [
Nick,
The Bose Hearphone is the product I showed you at the coffee shop on a visit a
few months ago. I have one and use it regularly with mixed results. If anyone
is interested, I can provide details of my experience.
davew
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019, at 10:32 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
> Dear Friamm
A point of view:
We are accustomed to talking about complex adaptive systems. I propose that the
brain is a "complex reactive system," in that it reacts in a complex fashion
(patterns, strange attractors,never exactly the same in any two instances) to a
complex, and constantly changing, set of
I am constantly amazed, entertained, informed, and enriched by the divergent
discussions on any given thread in the FRIAM list. At the same time, there are
instances where something of great personal interest gets lost. Such is the
case with the notion of "modern polymath." Just to see if there
of a group of a dozen or
> more developers and scientists. The group became a separate business. After a
> couple of years it was bought by a fortune 50 company and he was made head of
> the division it became.
>
> I don't know whether or how his brain changes but his life certainly d
ketamine would not be the first drug that was utilized to augment therapy. MDA,
MDMA, even LSD were all studied as ways to enhance, optimize, therapy.
An therapy, some kinds of it anyway, have also been demonstrated to produce
very mild altered states of consciousness — somewhat less than hypnos
"Lyft customer know something about how the car works ... at least well enough
to know whether the driver was snowing him ..."
Or, her to believe the young man that just stated, " we just ran out of gas,"
as they reached an isolated spot on the side of the road.
davew
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019, at
N
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Prof David We
t; But could your graduates write a sonnet?
>
> N
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Friam [m
Ok Steve,
First some elaboration:
In 25 BC, Vitruvius (considered the founder of the discipline of architecture)
stated:
"The ideal architect should be a man of letters, a skillful draftsman, a
mathematician, familiar with historical studies, a diligent student of
philosophy, acquainted with
Nick, you pose an interesting question. From one perspective, that of an
idealist who believes in the old version of a liberal arts education and the
modern notion of a "modern polymath" I would answer yes to your question. As a
veteran of academia i would emphatically jump up and down and say n
Nick,
May I offend you by proposing a dualism to challenge your behavioral monism?
Using Cohen as illustration. If we state the problem other than it has been so
far:
Given a Context X, the probability of Cohen's Behavior (verbal utterances)
being inconsistent with the "Truth" of that context
and, is an ansatz, more or less, a formalized metaphor?
davew
On Thu, Feb 14, 2019, at 8:40 AM, lrudo...@meganet.net wrote:
> > The problem is that Bornâs rule was not really more than a smart guess
> > â
> >> there was no fundamental reason that led Born to propose it. âIt was
> >> an
> >>
"Roles, topics, and attractors" = Culture.
For me, Steven's comments and the conversation that ensued, pretty much
explain the kind of "analysis" and "explanation" found in Cultural
Anthropology 101.
"Attractors," again from my perspective, would be cross-cultural
'patterns'. Examples of these p
ms.>
> N
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Prof
> David West *Sen
Steve, I too would prefer the term asocial rather than anti.
However, I have, on occasion, been a 'domestic terrorist' which is
pretty anti-social.
I can really enjoy being part of a team — for a couple of decades I
played basketball 3+ hours a day, 7 days a week. I was, what they called
it at the
mind in favor of the biofilm (that we
> actually are).
>
> It brings Taoism to my ignorant mind. It seems the fully enlightened
> individual is perfectly free if and only if they fully engage in their
> algorithmic behavior.
>
> On 1/15/19 9:13 AM, Prof David West wrote:
&
*"any military must operate on algorithms" *(Nick)
Not really true. and there is a huge spectrum of "algorithm-ness" as a
function of military branch, activity, rank, etc.
A navy vessel is a machine and operates on algorithms. Humans within
that machine must be constrained to be as machine-like
Nick wrote:
"Computers are the conscripted sailors of our generation."
I would say that "computer users are the conscripted sailors.
Computers, computing, software: all are algorithmic, creating an
"algorithmic context" (Navy) within which human users (Sailors) are
constrained to act.
Like hu
Great
> Man theory, where people like Einstein or whoever are "10-100 times more
> effective than average". If we *parse* "effective" well, then it's
> true. But we're in danger of assuming that efficacy in action is
> somehow directly related t
take that point of view, adopt that procedure,
> etc., will see each pattern. They are real patterns.”>
> How do you understand it, Dave?
>
> Nick
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://h
Steven,
Fall of 1968, I abandoned physics and adopted Asian Philosophy (first
semester at Macalester College). Since then, every spare moment, and
many not so spare, was dedicated to learning and practicing. My
vocation, quite by accident, was always programming/software/IT but
everything in that
ere! It’s Friday and we need you.
>
> Nick
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfi
"Persuasive" is a term the reviewer used, Adams restricts his analysis
to "communication." The two terms are worlds apart. I would claim that
no one in politics is persuasive, and given the polarity that exists in
political discourse, it is impossible for anyone to be persuasive.
davew
On Thu, Ja
Reacting to Glen's comments: of that million tech jobs, how many are really
necessary. Speaking only within the context of software development, I am
certain that 70-90 percent of existing jobs and unfilled jobs could be
eliminated.
We have known since the seventies that some individuals are 10
tribes,
> schools, flocks, etc.).> I'm rambling/rattling on (as usual) here, but I'd
> like to hear your
> (DaveW) perspective on this topic, since you have spoken fairly
> directly to the ideals of individualism.> What is the case (from your
> perspective) to th
Trump is coming up frequently in this "abduction" thread, especially
with regard communication and rhetoric.A very good, quite
enlightening, book about this is Scott Adams' (yes, the Dilbert
cartoonist) *_Win Bigly_*.
davew
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019, at 9:03 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
> Steve Smith wrote
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Prof
> David West *Sent:* Wednesday, January 09, 2019 10:38 AM *To:*
> friam@redfish.com *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was A
Aww Nick,
Surely you jest: "Something about the category is real."
Real?
Real, as in dualist metaphysics?
Or merely real in the sense that there is a group of humans willing to
behave in a manner consistent with a pretend belief that a labeled
category is real?
About a decade back there were te
On the other hand,
> some people just can’t function without a mommy or daddy around.>
> *From: *Friam on behalf of Prof David West
> *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied
> Complexity Coffee Group *Date: *Friday, January 4,
> 2019 at 8:20 AM *To: *"friam@redfish.com&quo
struggling with heterarchy. What think you on that, Dave?
>
> Nick .
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:f
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>> client-server, leader-follower, and decision maker-decision
>> implementer are hierarchical control words. Otherwise there can be
>> frustration situations where different bosses give contradictory
>> guidance to the same employee. There cannot be i
Nick's work on Natural Design would be an obvious possibility. Less in
the paper he recently shared to the list than in the rest of the work
(five papers I think). Some evil genius has coopted his ideas and
learned to manipulate them.
davew
On Thu, Jan 3, 2019, at 5:13 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
Nick,
Before the conversation forks towards duality, a minor comment about heterarchy
in a human organizational context.
Hunter-gatherer tribes were organized as heterarchies: egalitarian with no
formal, persistent organization. Instead organization, including leadership,
ranking, and roles wa
f Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
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> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Prof David West
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 4:37 PM
> To: friam
while typing my last response, the conversation took an interesting turn,
prompting the following.
I went to college intending to become a quantum chromodynamicist. Before
college I had read every 'popular' science book on Physics and Cosmology
(Asimov, etc,) and monographs used in graduate cla
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