[FRIAM] Natural Law by Fiat

PI constant.svg != 3.2 !=3 The semi-annual specter of clock-change and our current ego-fueled government (executive, legislative and soon to be judicial?) reminds me of the 1897 Indiana Legislature near-miss on legislating the value of Pi to be 3.2 for the increased convenience and reduced

Re: [FRIAM] rant re: Changing clocks

This semi-annual ritual of changing clocks, missing appointments, grousing, ranting, etc. seems to have become deeply part of our culture. I try to mostly just note it with fascination these days... in the days when I had a day-boss I resented it quite a bit. I have (almost) always been

Re: [FRIAM] A million tech jobs unfilled

Stephen and I share a bad joke that "we are unemployable", and that includes to one another. There are few tasks in my projects which I could delegate that Stephen's skill set and style would be suitable for. And vice-versa. We CAN support one anothers' work in many ways, from

Re: [FRIAM] Fractals/Chaos/Manifolds

Lee - Great bit of detective work there... "Mannigfaltigkeit" manig -> many faltig -> wrinkle or fold kelt -> having the utility of or "ness" many folded ness I'd like to hear more about your own intuitive conception of 3-manifolds... I have been a "mathematical thinker" in

Re: [FRIAM] more fun with AI

holy shite REC! Looks like pretty good KoolAid! I cut my teeth 40 years ago on APL. Feels like what I *wished for* back then (studying Physics/Math with CS "just a tool"). As we talked a few years ago, I have a (still open, hanging fire) project to do real-time stitching on a 360

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs

Nick - This is one of your (wonderfully, and I mean that seriously) naive questions, and the naive answer is yes, they are surely coupled. I'm very interested in "soundscapes" so am often very aware of both the complex passive structure of most soundscapes (especially landscape vs

Re: [FRIAM] Naïve physics question

Nick - The thing that might not be obvious is that Frank's *electric* bill went down. If he were heating *with* electricity, the difference might not be as significant... I suspect his (gas?) heating bill is a similar number of BTUs down, they are just cheaper BTUs than ones coming out of

Re: [FRIAM] more fun with AI

Very exciting... I'll have to read deeper into this... I think we are on the verge of another punctuation in our equilibrium (of Sci/Tech advances)... On 2/9/17 3:20 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: Okay, this one got published in Science today, https://arxiv.org/abs/1606.02318, they solve an

Re: [FRIAM] Complexity Science for (us) Dummies

alks. For me, anyway. -- Owen On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote: Nick - Vortices aside, I just checked the Syllabi of the Complexity Explorer and find that there are MANY courses that might be of inter

Re: [FRIAM] loopiness (again)

Glen - Great article and great insight! One fine gem is the fact that the generally accepted most brilliant Chess Player of all time, Garry Kasparov is a Tweeter and is one of Vlad's (Putin, not Burachynsky) greatest critics! I think we need to put Garry up against Donald in Chess Boxing,

Re: [FRIAM] SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/> *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>] *On Behalf Of *Steven A Smith *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2017 12:00 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com

[FRIAM] Complexity Science for (us) Dummies

there ( https://www.complexityexplorer.org/explore/syllabi) of interest? - Steve On 2/6/17 3:51 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: Nick - I DO remember he tornado/vortex/swirlie discussions of yore, and in fact, those were characteristic of the discussions I appreciated there being here, just as I

Re: [FRIAM] SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

AM.” The rest is history. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/> *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On

Re: [FRIAM] SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

I appreciate FriAM, even though I don't attend Friday Congregation very often, or even WedTech Congregation either! The *active* voices here are familiar and even though I may have a lot of different perspectives and opinions, I truly value what I hear here, and more than anything I look

Re: [FRIAM] SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

. Only "community events" are available to others. Frank Wimberly, PhD \I don't usually do this Phone (505) 670-9918 On Feb 4, 2017 1:13 PM, "Steven A Smith" <sasm...@swcp.com <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote: Cody- Nicely noticed

Re: [FRIAM] SFI to Trump: The dangers of simplicity in a complex world

Cody- Nicely noticed! - Steve The letter is very nice but based on the (possibly false) premise that they want economic equality, believe in climate change, and want to avoid cascading conflicts. On Sat, Feb 4, 2017, 12:08 PM Marcus Daniels

Re: [FRIAM] on the obustness of globalism

Steve writes: "I learned early in life that if a canoe is tipping to one side, you don't lean out the other, you drop to the bottom center, lower your center of gravity. Why is that so hard in sociopolitical contexts? Unless you want to tip into the drink!” Except that if we tip it

Re: [FRIAM] on the obustness of globalism

. On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote: REC - Why do "we" do this? I mean the part about stretching the truth to support our point, only to undermine our point? I don't have any trouble extrapo

Re: [FRIAM] on the obustness of globalism

REC - Why do "we" do this? I mean the part about stretching the truth to support our point, only to undermine our point? I don't have any trouble extrapolating from THIS story that the ban and attendant delays *could have* caused the death in the way implied, but that isn't the same and

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

" AlphaGo itself isn't scary it's what comes next and so on and how quickly these advances are progressing that give some great minds cause for concern." I just hope it comes soon. Humans aren't making very good decisions lately. Maybe... but somehow I'm not a lot more confident in the

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

Vlad - Only a confirmed Go player could breathe that atmosphere. Though I wonder why Hawking is so afraid of this machine when it can humble the best of us. Just make the board much larger. At some point we will smell insulation burning. Are you sure that isn't the smell of myelin sheath

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

Vlad - I am the weakest of GO players, in spite of having considered the problem of trying to use Gosper's memoisation as a mode of associative memory problem solving. Cody the M00se Dooderson has beat me every time we have played I think. Weak, weak, weak! But I do find it fascinating.

Re: [FRIAM] [SPAM] Re: [[Narcissism Again]again]

Eric - I appreciate your point here. I think the problem in *all* of our "culture wars" is not that one side is evil and the other must fight and defeat them, but that there is a schism in "Ways of Knowing" which, while unresolved, will lead to a schism in "Knowing" itself. I was raised

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/> *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven A Smith *Sent:* Saturday, January

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

is yes. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/> *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com]*On Behalf Of*Steven A

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

//home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/> *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven A Smith *Sent:* Saturday, January 28, 2017 1:15 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <fria

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

easy and very transparent and in some contexts that is the main thing needed by the folks using it. - Steve On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote: Gary - I don't know if this is my own narcissistic self-in

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

gy Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/> *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>] *On Behalf Of *Steven A Smit

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/> *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven A Smith *Sent:* Saturday, January

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

What can WE hobbits do? Scratch our hairy knuckles and indulge in second dinnerses? Fun aside, I DO appreciate your sentiment here and agree that the Narcissist in Chief is at least partly a (focused) reflection of our own worst qualities, and *perhaps* if we tend our own garden even a

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

Fascinating! I remember the broad discussions at the Cellular Automata Conference here in 1984 on the challenges/opportunities of using a CA to play GO. I had an (unpublished of course) variation on Bill Gosper's HashLife which I hoped might be a

Re: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source Software

Marcus wrote: There is type of person that can be persuaded based on low-dimensional similarity and feelings of familiarity. When the Donald complemented his overly long (compensate much?) Red Tie with a Red "gimme cap", it did double duty of covering his embarassing (but surely very

Re: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source Software

Gil - The sun just rose here as well, as I read this... I guess Donald's powers are weaker than he thinks. - Steve On 1/27/17 7:24 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote: For What It's Worth at around 710AM before some meditation on a stunningly nice FridayMorning: It depends. Sounds to me you're

Re: [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent

"I *did* enjoy hearing Chomsky answer this question at a NAFTA talk in ABQ 15 years ago with the simple statement "Socially Responsible Investing is a contradiction in terms". There was a loud titter among the roughly 50% students and a deafening silence among the other 50%

Re: [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent

Speaking of Investing: I suspect that more than a few folks here have significant financial assets. I'm wondering what people believe here about "socially responsible investing". About NOW seems like a good time to (re)evaluate any such strategies? I *did* enjoy hearing Chomsky answer this

Re: [FRIAM] And so it begins: the dark times

I have enough "Trumpian" friends to know that without exception they have tried to frame this response as an attempt to undermine "the peaceful transition of power". I throw two things squarely in their face: 1. Donald said he would accept the outcome of the election ONLY if he won. This

Re: [FRIAM] And so it begins: the dark times

Jochen, et al - I have to say I accept or agree with the idea of a sitting President (or any high official) having close access to their most trusted advisors, whether they are family or friends. It is only natural IMO and in principle will allow them to do a better job. I understand the

Re: [FRIAM] And so it begins: the dark times

Jochen, et al - I have to say I accept or agree with the idea of a sitting President (or any high official) having close access to their most trusted advisors, whether they are family or friends. It is only natural IMO and in principle will allow them to do a better job. I understand the

Re: [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent

Robert - I am glad to have found the FRIAM forum--thanks to Steven Guerin--as it so often has an array of viewpoints that come from a variety of learned backgrounds and borne up by interpretations from a variety of news sources. In spite of these differences, the forum threads remain very

Re: [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent

Robert - Marcus said: I would say neoliberalism is trying to engineer biased coins that land in a coordinated ways to build something more complex. One way is with trade laws. You replied: I think I can partly agree with this statement ... about the biased coin thing. That is

Re: [FRIAM] Nautilus: Investing Is More Luck Than Talent

Robert - Being open-minded does not mean you are brainwashed. Quite the opposite I would think ... I don't know if this is responsive to your specific intent, but when I first heard it, it was a powerful point and fit *way* too many people I know who *purport* to be "open minded" (after

Re: [FRIAM] ready for a bonfire?

On 1/19/17 10:47 AM, glen ☣ wrote: I know it's offensive and disrespectful of me to feel this way, and especially to express it publicly. But part of me is excited about the possibility of this happening ... not necessarily excited in a good way... more like an adrenaline+cortisol sort of

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

Carter - I found the article an excellent addition to this discussion. /Instead of continuing the fruitless "disease" argument, we should address these questions directly. Taking a determinist consequentialist position allows us to do so more effectively. We should blame and

Re: [FRIAM] they're here

New Mexico's own... 7th Sigma by [Gould, Steven] On 1/10/17 5:47 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:

Re: [FRIAM] The year ahead

Steve: You might like the RedNeck Liberal. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTHsQd-vRXK1bp4vpifl6yA Thanks! His line: "being prejudiced against poor white poeple with a twang, still counts as prejudiced" hits home. I might identify with "country" but not with "southern". I hear the voices

Re: [FRIAM] The year ahead

Gary - I remember a recent Facebook post by one of my cousins that said something along the lines of "people have forgotten what an alpha male is like, and Trump is going to show them." I have been enjoying this kind of rhetoric among my Trumpian friends. It gives me the opportunity to

Re: [FRIAM] What should we do?

Cancer is an interesting metaphor here, and I find it somewhat apt. I am not a big fan of allopathic medicine in the first place, so would prefer to look to naturopathic remedies that involve a combination of symptom relief, lifestyle change, stress reduction and general systemic support.

Re: [FRIAM] scraping a web site

I thought this was a reference to the way siblings (and grown children) ask to store something in your garage or workshop "just for a weekend" and 20 years later you have to throw it out or give it to goodwill because they never picked it up, even through several moves! On 1/4/17 1:49 PM,

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: In Memoriam: Thomas C. Schelling

All the old men (and women) are dying! Is it a sign or is it a portent of things to come that Leonard Cohen and Fidel Castro both checked out soon with the election!? Thanks Roger for letting us know about Weininger and Fienberg... I hadn't heard. On 12/14/16 7:45 PM, Roger Critchlow

Re: [FRIAM] Model of induction

Eudamonic Pie anyone? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eudaemonic_Pie The eudaemonic pie - bookcover.jpg It seems that (some) roulette wheels (being imperfect, analog devices) can and have been predicted

[FRIAM] Euthphyro vs Socrates

ole sometimes" But I take it as a fact that Socrates was extremely precise in his choice of words (ideas) as I believe you to be... - Steve On 12/8/16 5:06 PM, glen ☣ wrote: I dunno about "pure". But it definitely reminded me of Euthyphro. On 12/08/2016 03:56 PM, Steven A Smit

Re: [FRIAM] Truth vs. Social Justice on college campuses

dly elites call it "Socratic". On 12/08/2016 02:49 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: It sounds almost like it could reduce to Trevor Noah's recent show on how to handle Trump in the way you must with a Toddler? http://www.ew.com/article/2016/11/30/trevor-noah-

Re: [FRIAM] Truth vs. Social Justice on college campuses

Glen (Marcus) - I could see that would be useful to model politics (esp. high school popularity contests), but it can already hard to model complex things with pairs never mind many body terms. I suspect someone like Trump really is pairwise in his interactions. It works because no one in

Re: [FRIAM] Truth vs. Social Justice on college campuses

Glen☣ Yours is a characteristically adroit yet confrontational argument and I don't know that it is my place (or ability) address it completely, but would like to try to add some context that I hope will help: A) Are /Truth/ and /Social Justice/ in any way different? I think they are

Re: [FRIAM] Divided America

Frank - I don't know the answers to your questions. I can say that an anti-Trump theme has been prominent. I don't think there was much optimism for Sanders's chances nor for those of the 3rd party candidates. There was a moment when one attendee was lamenting the poor choices available.

Re: [FRIAM] Divided America

hen I said Friam was overwhelmingly pro Clinton. I sometimes forget about the couple hundred(?) who read the list but may not even live in Santa Fe. I apologize. Frank Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Dec 4, 2016 9:31 PM, "Steven A Smith" <sasm...@swcp.com <mailto:sasm

Re: [FRIAM] Divided America

Frank - I like Jochen's contrast (literal/serious vs serious/literal) and was mildly shocked he would ask the question so boldly here. I don't mind, but have felt that everyone was avoiding any discussion outside of my lame attempts to get a discussion about the election framed within the

Re: [FRIAM] Automated Pro-Trump Bots Overwhelmed Pro-Clinton Messages, Researchers Say

Joe - I tried to read the original article, but it seems I've exceeded my 10 free articles for the month and need to sign up for a subscription. I'm literally holding my $6.00 paper copy of today's NYT of course... and they don't OFFER home delivery where I live (I've tried, they always

[FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: Fwd: TED talk

Glen wrote: A friend of mine voted for Stein (again). When we discussed my choice to jump ship and vote for Clinton (and his wife's choice to vote for Clinton), his argument was that, fundamentally, Clinton is cut from the same cloth as Clinton1 and Bush2. Sure, there are various overtones.

Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

dual would be racist or misogynist, but they would be afraid. davew On Mon, Nov 14, 2016, at 01:20 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: Glen - Not to be argumentative, but: /Yes, the racist attributes of the system map to the individual's myopia, their inability to extrapolate to the consequ

Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

Glen - Not to be argumentative, but: /Yes, the racist attributes of the system map to the individual's myopia, their inability to extrapolate to the consequences of their own actions. But at the system layer, the attribute is racism. At the individual layer, the attributes are not

Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

Another relevant article https://hbr.org/2016/11/what-so-many-people-dont-get-about-the-u-s-working-class Frank - Thanks for this article. Between bouts of thinking up worst-case-scenarios and then how one man's Dystopia is another's Utopia, I also struggle to understand the deeper

Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

One pundit's measure of Trump's "Fascism": https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/10/21/how-fascist-is-donald-trump-theres-actually-a-formula-for-that/ On 11/10/16 9:33 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: Fascinating Frank, thanks for the link! Having been something like an

Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

d to Long as "the Crawfish". He was usually called the Kingfish. Here's the reference: http://www.worldcat.org/title/unmasking-crawfish-huey-p-long/oclc/9752600 Frank Wimberly Phone(505) 670-9918 <tel:%28505%29%20670-9918> On Nov 10, 2016 8:43 PM, "Steven A Smith" <sas

Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

Until fairly recently I didn't realize that "Populism" carried a negative connotation. I had always heard it as a positive thing... The tie between populism and the rise of fascism changed that for me. I suppose *pure* populism is in fact fine, the awareness that the general population,

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: what other subject is there this morning

Eric - I did the same wade, reading it out loud to a compatriot and only found the cleaner version when I tried to print it just now. I appreciate the acute insight and well crafted description of the situation at hand your missive here presents. I am on my way to Ojo Caliente to soak out

Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

way to navigate all this. Sigh. Marcus *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 8, 2016 5:16:56 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A No

Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

machine code. There are no linguistic or cognitive facts, only action facts. And this may be closer to what you're trying to say, because that means that we are always interacting through an interpreter, albeit sometimes many layers out vs. only a few layers out. On 11/07/2016 08:05 PM,

Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

Gary - I agree that in the sense of the stakes being *very very* high, this is not a game. But winning the contest IS about strategy and tactics as much (or more) than it is about representing the will and interests of the citizenry. And I find that deeply sad. In that sense, our

Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

I guess I already feel I have to "code switch" all the time already... I have to speak a pidgin of Left/Right/Green/Libertarian/Anarchist just to communicate with my friends and colleagues on these matters. I understand and agree that in world D, the emergent patois will be much less

Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

This probably reflects my naivete, but I'm not sure I understand why either of you (Marcus or Glen) expect to need to do significantly more "code switching" than you probably already do to bridge different communities or aspect of your life? Are you suggesting that there will be a new system

[FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: The Long Peace 18 min video slide show on all war deaths since Fall of Rome -- after 70 million in WWII, lower and lower to now...: Rich Murray 2016.11.06

Rich - Aside from the clever presentation, the implied numbers were rather staggering. I particularly liked the "negative space" argument about "the number of people who are not dying"... and the way it complements Steven Pinker's arguments in "The Better Angels of our Nature". One might

Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

Nick - I believe one way to address your question(s) about /the elites/ is to decide on what we mean by /elite/. Quoted from Wikipedia: *Elite* (from late 18th century French *élite*), is a term that originates from Latin eligere (“to choose,

Re: [FRIAM] Yearly rant about this daylight savings stuff

I enjoy it. It's like losing a $20 bill in the spring, then finding it in your coat pocket in the fall. My mother ran a fun scam on my sister and I at Christmas for a number of years before we saw through it, which of course ruined the magic of it. When we would break out the Xmas

Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

Frank, et alia - My opinion: scorn is a very powerful position; you can be scornful of God. People who feel powerless and left out find Trump appealing because they identify with the power implied by his scorn of the elite, the establishment, etc. Remember Spiro Agnew calling the educated

Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

I was going to "scoff" at this number and analysis until I checked MY favorite source and saw what people who were putting their money where their mouths are were saying: https://tippie.biz.uiowa.edu/iem/ Iowa Electronic Markets Daily Price Graph for the Winner Take All model... Daily Price

Re: [FRIAM] FBI discovers Dr. Strangelove in 2013/2014 email dump

this looks pretty defunct now... any reason to believe it will light back up? too bad Doug has fled... do you think he/she is still a lurker on the list? reminds me of a statement you once made: "If it had any more character it could run for president!" I see YOU didn't get directly

Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

Glen - (I scoured my experience and did, actually, remember a female that fit the pattern ... only one, mind you, but extant. So, I don't feel entirely disingenuous using "she" and "her" above. But my guess, based on stereotypes, is that most use cases will see a male -- perhaps with a

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

) into posts/correspondence? I take Nick seriously here, it has been his goal from the beginning, right? -- Owen On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote: Glen - I am a Mozilla/Tbird Man myself but am used to many peo

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

don't feel compelled to tell me)! - Steve On 10/28/16 4:45 PM, glen ☣ wrote: On 10/28/2016 03:10 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: I've always assumed everyone else's does too... So, when one looks at the content of a mailing list like this, they can _see_ trees of threads, right? If not, I highly r

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

For the TL;DR crowd, a summary of my last response might be as simple as "I am wanting" == Idle Speculation "I want" == Statement of Intent On 10/28/16 4:45 PM, glen ☣ wrote: On 10/28/2016 03:10 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: I've always assumed everyone else's does

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

Glen - Just to help ensure my sanity, my email subject window looks like this: https://goo.gl/photos/thJWHVxy8cfPv3Qq7 I've always assumed everyone else's does too... So, when one looks at the content of a mailing list like this, they can _see_ trees of threads, right? If not, I highly

Re: [FRIAM] THREAD BENDING ALERT: Was "Is Bezos a Bozo?" IS NOW"Reading Email exchanges chronologically"

Marcus - What a wonderfully cryptic yet compelling explanation/example? Are you suggesting a certain grandiosity? Or another way of alluding to the ambiguity I am suggesting? Or perhaps an emotional wanting vs a more intellectual wanting? "Enquiring megalo-minds are wanting to

Re: [FRIAM] Memo To Jeff Bezos: The Most Productive Workers Are Team Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

I am fascinated by this general area of consideration... the struggle between individual and collective. This study doesn't seem to tell us much we didn't already know... for example, that it is easy to craft a flawed experiment where what you thought you were optimizing (metabolic egg

Re: [FRIAM] Unix Nightmare

Lee - Good lord, Frank. Surely you are teasing me. How could your memory of a dream not be accurate?! I thought it was widely believed by Psychologists (as it is certainly believed by *me*) that one commits an error (a category error, perhaps? or an error of attribution?) if one thinks of

Re: [FRIAM] Unix Nightmare

Marcus - Using a logic programming language (like Prolog) sometimes feels to me like a dream state, sort of like Frank describes. I use logic programming as a cognitive aide as well as a computational aide. Asking, “How do the pieces fit together in a problem? What is independent and

Re: [FRIAM] Unix Nightmare

Frank - I used to have semi-lucid dreams whose setting was inside of a VM of some kind... being a Unix-head myself, it often had a lot of Shell like idioms but it also had many of the flavors of the kinds of higher level tools I might have been using about that time. I remember early

Re: [FRIAM] Eric's book link: The Origin and Nature of Life on Earth: The Emergence of the Fourth Geosphere

Eric - Congratulations! Looks like a great jump forward in this literature! I look forward to it! Any chance you will be holding a public reading with a local bookstore? Or have a preferred local bookstore we could storm to make sure they carry your book by buying a few? My goto of

Re: [FRIAM] enablors vs disruptors

Well, there's the concrete truck and then there's the jackhammer. if these are the subjects, what are the objects? A concrete truck enables the paving of the universe but disrupts the ecosystem while the jackhammer presumably/roughly does just the opposite.

Re: [FRIAM] Hope?

no shit sherlock! what a great phrase in an auspicious time? On 10/3/16 5:29 PM, glen ☣ wrote: I liked the point as made by this post: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/09/28/debate-nights-biggest-lie-was-told-by-lester-holt/ But even if we admit that the only purpose for the peripheral

Re: [FRIAM] Hope?

Glen - I love the deep ambiguity and late binding of what you just said here! - Steve On 10/3/16 1:23 PM, glen ☣ wrote: I just optimized our code so that drug moving from the heterogeneous lobule into the well-mixed body compartment are converted from objects to integer counts. That cut

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

Glen - I understand that... though it IS my habit to acknowledge the things I agree on to more starkly expose the ones I don't (or at least I try to do that). With a happy side-effect that more people will like you as a result. One day, I'll wish I had spent more effort with the soft

Re: [FRIAM] speaking of analytics

N - I read this as "Glen being Glen" which I approve of... ... that doesn't mean you don't get credit for inflicting your own inner vocabulary (or simply the lexicon of your profession?) on us... Some of us appreciate what might otherwise seem idiosyncratic. I had to parse this one very

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

glen - As usual, I ignore all the places where we agree and emphasize the disagreements ... because life is more fun that way. 8^) I understand that... though it IS my habit to acknowledge the things I agree on to more starkly expose the ones I don't (or at least I try to do that). I'm not

Re: [FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

Glen - I've found this graph the most interesting rendering of the electoral game: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html#explore-paths Interesting fault tree (I wanted to say dendogram, but I'm not sure it has all of the properties necessary. I

[FRIAM] Wisdom of Crowds vs Kenneth Arrow

I know we try to avoid getting into political discussions here, and that is not what I'm trying t draw you into. Out of my infamous morbid fascination, I *have* been following the presidential campaigns this past year or more and in particular comparing the many running *polls* to the *Iowa

Re: [FRIAM] Court: Judges Can Consider Predictive Algorithms in Sentencing

Interesting development! Slippery slope at the very least. Seems like this is square between "profiling" and that PK Dick story "Minority Report" On 8/26/16 5:24 PM, Pamela McCorduck wrote: So agree. We are *so* far from certain on this one. On Aug 26, 2016, at 5:11 PM, Tom Johnson

Re: [FRIAM] Seagate has a 60TB solid state drive now | TechCrunch

brings back memories from when I had the pleasure of hearing Feynman's "Plenty of Room at the Bottom" talk at LANL... 1983 I think... turned us on to Drexler's work before it was published as "Engines of Creation". We DO live in interesting times! On 8/13/16 4:26 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

Re: [FRIAM] Narcissism and Mass Shootings

/... //Must be terrifying to someone like Putin. Almost feel sorry for him. Merkel and Clinton to telling him what to do all the time. //J/ /Marcus/ If only we could get Stephen Colbert and Tina Fey on the ballot... and into the oval office... sure we'd have to fill the

Re: [FRIAM] Narcissism and Mass Shootings

Damn Nick! That is one enormously disarming and persuasive argument! Good luck with your distraction... I have a small clutch of freshly fledged Ravens in my trees acting up right about now... they made me think of you (and your interests, not your nature)! Most if not all of you will be

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