Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

2020-02-23 Thread glen
On February 22, 2020 4:31:21 PM PST, Marcus Daniels wrote: >Hah, Glen "doesn't really believe in desensitization", but he sometimes >opts for terms that are highly loaded terms in "normals" speak! I suppose the fault is mine for not *emphasizing* the inspirati

[FRIAM] Graal VM

2020-02-20 Thread glen ep ropella
rs is they *know* Oracle supports Trump. -- glen ep ropella 971-599-3737 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com ar

Re: [FRIAM] on stupidity

2020-02-14 Thread glen e p ropella
>is a straw man. -- glen ep ropella 971-599-3737 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003:

[FRIAM] but it feels good

2020-02-14 Thread glen e p ropella
factoring. But it > feels good… -- glen ep ropella 971-599-3737 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back t

[FRIAM] on stupidity

2020-02-14 Thread glen
you were assuming it, > and should poke at the issue until you figure it out. -- glen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mail

[FRIAM] wishing I believed in karma

2020-02-12 Thread glen
https://skepchick.org/2020/02/jordan-peterson-addiction-and-the-cult-of-personal-responsibility/ -- glen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com

[FRIAM] mode over path

2020-02-10 Thread glen
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00349-1 > Fruit hauled by container ship can prove more environmentally friendly than > that carried shorter distances by road. -- glen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets F

Re: [FRIAM] Trumps motives not judiciable because they are "in his head"

2020-01-31 Thread glen
cts (or even taken decisions) because that engineering >is for the little people to sort out. No, _truly_ cool research about >the strivers' social fabric. Laugh. I never realized I had such >strong feelings about Catholics! :-) -- glen =

Re: [FRIAM] NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

2020-01-15 Thread glen
07 PM PST, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: >So what then IS IT about? -- glen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com a

Re: [FRIAM] more Epstein fallout

2020-01-11 Thread glen
? On January 11, 2020 12:35:59 PM PST, Marcus Daniels wrote: >Waiting for the other shoe to drop.. > >https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mit-review-cites-big-mistakes-taking-epstein-donations-n1113911 -- glen FRIAM Applied Complex

Re: [FRIAM] description - explanation - metaphor - model

2019-12-28 Thread glen
>language, stick to the facts, be willing to change one's mind. But by >making these (purposeful) discretizations, they are simplifying the >domain and, thereby, making potential 80/20 solutions *feasible*. -- glen FRIAM Applied C

Re: [FRIAM] [EXT] Re: A pluralistic model of the mind?

2019-12-12 Thread glen∈ℂ
Heh, it was Homotopy Type Theory I was accusing of being hoity-toity. 8^) But I think it's reasonable to argue that W. was pretty hoity-toity, as this story implies: When Feyerabend Met Wittgenstein https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL600Mafzf0 Disclosure: Feyerabend is my favorite

[FRIAM] constructive explanations (was Re: A pluralistic model of the mind?)

2019-12-12 Thread glen∈ℂ
OK. I'm going to focus on this distinction. When you explain some thing to someone, you have a choice between 2 styles. You can tell them how to make it happen or you can tell them how that thing fits in with everything else. So, in your eraser behind the book setup, you focus on the latter.

Re: [FRIAM] Universal and Accessible Entropy Estimation Using a Compression Algorithm

2019-12-09 Thread glen∈ℂ
I love it when papers answer the questions that 1st pop into my head. My 1st question was about the encoding and targeting the particular compression algorithm. And sure enough, they answer my question in the supplement: Compression algorithms are designed to minimally rep-resent a dataset’s

Re: [FRIAM] [EXT] Re: A pluralistic model of the mind?

2019-12-07 Thread glen∈ℂ
: Elegant, Glen, and you caused me truly to wonder: Is the population mean, mu, of statistics fame, of a different substance than the individual measurements, the bar x's that are stabs at it? But I think the answer is no. It is just one among the others, a citizen king amongst those bar-x's

Re: [FRIAM] flattening -isms nov 26 consistency

2019-11-28 Thread glen∈ℂ
Very interesting idea! I never really thought of the inflationary big bang as a behaviorist account. But I suppose it has to because it's agnostic about what's inside the singularity, before Time. And what is a singularity if not an expression of monist faith? Then after the blob articulates

Re: [FRIAM] post you seem to have missed from FRIAM

2019-11-21 Thread glen∈ℂ
And among the reasons I don't have a security clearance is to preserve the *option* of taking cocaine, at will. 8^) I agree with both you and Dave in that I would not choose to take cocaine. But I might choose to take other drugs. E.g. I've taken some THC since it's been legal, here. It's fun

Re: [FRIAM] means of production take 2

2019-11-21 Thread glen∈ℂ
Excellent! Thanks for that summary. I don't want to disagree with much of what you said, because what I'm trying to do is work out why some people can use the phrase "ownership of the means of production" with a straight face. 8^) What you lay out below worked. I did *not* grok that the key

Re: [FRIAM] means of production take 2

2019-11-20 Thread glen∈ℂ
Yes, I am most definitely concentrating on the *right* to destroy (my *claim* over something), not merely the ability to destroy something that others may have claim/right to/over. So, your text below is largely unrelated to my sense of "right to destroy". The mere *ability* to deprive another

Re: [FRIAM] flattening -isms

2019-11-20 Thread glen∈ℂ
Thanks. The evidence is still correlational, I suppose. But this article seems to provide strong evidence that rats do it: Biosynthesis and Extracellular Concentrations of N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) in Mammalian Brain https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-45812-w I'm still skeptical,

[FRIAM] means of production take 2

2019-11-19 Thread glen∈ℂ
To contribute to my spam score, I'll try again to suss out what is meant by owning the means of production. Here it is again: The collapse of the information ecosystem poses profound risks for humanity

Re: [FRIAM] flattening -isms

2019-11-19 Thread glen∈ℂ
I looked for some scientific evidence of this, but failed to find it. Can you clue me in to the sources showing it's made in the brain? On 11/19/19 7:10 AM, Prof David West wrote: DMT is present, manufactured, in the human brain ...

Re: [FRIAM] flattening -isms

2019-11-17 Thread glen∈ℂ
My guess is you're a methodological pluralist just like the rest of us. The trick is that monism is moot. Even *if* all things are somehow organizations of experience, to be pragmatic, you have to be able to *generate* 2 seemingly different things (like your experience vs. my experience) by

Re: [FRIAM] flattening -isms

2019-11-17 Thread glen∈ℂ
Oops. I meant to include a link to this: https://youtu.be/yL_-1d9OSdk On 11/17/19 7:48 AM, glen∈ℂ wrote: So, we all turn into "enlightened" people and go around mumbling "mu" all the time. FRIAM Applied Compl

Re: [FRIAM] flattening -isms

2019-11-17 Thread glen∈ℂ
Herein lies the monist rub. If types of things are the same as things of type, then why do we have 2 words: "thing" and "type"? Why not just have one word: "thing"? The same is true of "kind" vs. "type". Or any 2 words you might choose at random from the dictionary. So, we all turn into

Re: [FRIAM] flattening -isms

2019-11-17 Thread glen∈ℂ
I don't know this Hywel person. But number of things of a type is different from number of types of thing. 8^) Unless types of a thing are also things of a type. Channeling a modern teenager: That's so meta, dude. On 11/17/19 6:55 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: Channeling Hywel, I hope accurately:

Re: [FRIAM] flattening -isms

2019-11-17 Thread glen∈ℂ
Ha! You raise two excellent points: 1) Is "a beer" a portion of a given volume or a massive noun? https://youtu.be/cf0y2pVw6Tk Or perhaps it refers to different batches, distinguished by the process (ingredients, mash, boil, distribution)? But what if you're a macro brewery and your quality

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

2019-11-12 Thread glen
No worries. I agree we need a swift kick in the ass. And I appreciated the joint repair story. Healthcare is one of the few topics that bridge political divides. On November 11, 2019 7:31:39 PM PST, Eric Smith wrote: >Very very sorry Glen > >You said “as a people”. > >Th

Re: [FRIAM] culture vs things

2019-11-11 Thread glen∈ℂ
LoL! First laugh of the day. Thanks. On 11/11/19 8:15 AM, Merle Lefkoff wrote: Pinker is an idiot. Always has been. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe

[FRIAM] culture vs things (was: capitalism vs. individualism)

2019-11-11 Thread glen∈ℂ
Yes! Along the same lines of communities policing themselves, pluralists are at risk of runaway relativism. I was reading this article recently and was taken aback by this

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

2019-11-10 Thread glen∈ℂ
Well, during my chemotherapy and years of maintenance doses of obinutuzumab, red meat was the only thing that sated me. Prior to my diagnosis and after I stopped taking the drug, I do well on a mostly plant diet, eating meat once or twice per week. That personal experience convinced me of what

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

2019-11-10 Thread glen∈ℂ
I guess we don't disagree nearly as much as I inferred from your earlier post. But I also worry about the narratives surrounding Schiff. I agree that AOC is more rational. But many of the right-wing sites are claiming Pelosi is as questionable as Schiff. And I disagree completely. Pelosi is

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

2019-11-09 Thread glen∈ℂ
While I agree that your *narrative* is plausible, I'm always skeptical of such narratives. The system is more complex than these stories we tell ourselves. I didn't confidently support impeachment until Trump released his readout of the Ukraine call. And most of my more conservative friends

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

2019-11-07 Thread glen∈ℂ
On 11/7/19 4:15 AM, Prof David West wrote: Or violence. Ad hoc, then systematic. On Violence: A Comparison of Georges Sorel & Frantz Fanon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNLN3anBByY (Parentheticals reflect my inability to transcribe what he's saying.) "In the context of the colonial

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

2019-11-07 Thread glen∈ℂ
Re: leaving the interstitial space unmodeled being motivated reasoning -- I struggled with that, mostly because I lamely qualified it twice: 1) only sometimes and 2) only if you *cannot* multi-model it. My emotional (?, intuitive maybe?) motivation is that I too often see people slap together

Re: [FRIAM] The Weil Conjectures

2019-11-06 Thread glen
a bit, first, to take out some of the nesting. > > > >Oh, and . don't forget to read it yourself. You were one of the people >I >had in mind when I wrote it. -- glen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a

Re: [FRIAM] capitalism vs. individualism

2019-11-05 Thread glen
es because the periodicity might end up being a counter-intuitive feature.) On November 5, 2019 12:02:26 PM PST, Marcus Daniels wrote: >Glen writes: > >"But re: avoiding modeling the space between the -isms, I'd argue that >sometimes (only sometimes), it's best to leave the in

Re: [FRIAM] MoNA

2019-10-28 Thread glen∈ℂ
Well, that's a reasonable heuristic. But there are complications. A good example might be the "preemptive strike", when you perceive a slow-growing threat, some of which may have a noisy signal prone to misinterpretation. (Thinking Iraq invasion.) E.g. our home grown domestic terrorists like

[FRIAM] MoNA

2019-10-26 Thread glen
losophical one). With that preamble, I offer the below, which is interesting because this sophistry comes with SOFTWARE! 8^) The Moral Narrative Analyzer https://mnl.ucsb.edu/mona The Moral Mind https://www.news.ucsb.edu/2019/019588/moral-mind

[FRIAM] metaphor run amok!

2019-10-22 Thread glen∈ℂ
Since I've whined, here, about our tendency to believe it's "metaphor all the way down" ... and maybe in relation to Hoffman's idea that evolution may select for false beliefs, I thought I'd post this as a twisty follow-up:

[FRIAM] Scott’s Supreme Quantum Supremacy FAQ!

2019-09-24 Thread glen
https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=4317 -- glen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003

Re: [FRIAM] query and observation

2019-09-12 Thread glen∈ℂ
Heh, I doubt you're missing my point. And please don't mistake my defense/explanation of Hoffman as advocacy. I think it's interesting. But he relies too much, IMO, on idealized modeling. So, I don't think the interface idea is really all that important. But it is interesting. To me, though,

Re: [FRIAM] abduction and casuistry

2019-08-24 Thread glen
oesn't send me something, so >this may be a case of that. Can you forward it to me? -- glen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman

Re: [FRIAM] abduction and casuistry

2019-08-23 Thread glen∈ℂ
Sorry for my incompleteness. I should have stated that G say the schema is for a *solved* abduction problem. What you're describing is the exploration of the *inverse* map. Using the conclusion, you infer the premise(s) that fit. I'd hoped it would be obvious this is possible with the connect

Re: [FRIAM] abduction and casuistry

2019-08-22 Thread glen∈ℂ
gue is the inferential purpose of abduction). He seems to be arguing for something closer to non- or anti-deontological reasoning ... The only rule is that there are no rules. [NST==>Yes, I wondered about that. Can a casuist be Rigorous. Now, Glen, do you and I agree, or disagree, on t

[FRIAM] Fwd: Archangel Michael's Message For You

2019-08-17 Thread glen
21435322435566445175326178 545454542324345562434565644575244575621433241546334456 23451244624375524566434321563221435322435566445175326178 545454542324345562434565644575244575621433241546334456 23451244624375524566434321563221435322435566445175326178 -- glen ===

Re: [FRIAM] All hail confirmation bias!

2019-07-30 Thread glen∈ℂ
Steve and I discussed some of this sort of thing awhile back. I argued that the loss of both individual and collective plasticity over time might be the core selection criterion. In times of fat diversity in the environment, it's helpful to have diverse and tightly coupled estimators (thanks

Re: [FRIAM] Predictive coding basedon deep learning

2019-07-30 Thread glen
system will better yield to careful study or to >chaotic perturbation. Witness the success of stochastic gradient >descent in machine learning. -- glen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. Jo

Re: [FRIAM] Posts from the Scotts

2019-07-30 Thread glen∈ℂ
Yes, exactly! Referring back to the spectrum between episodic and diachronic personalities, it strikes me that the regular accusations I get of non sequitur, are something like hairpin turns in my (always bad) rhetoric. It's also just plain fun to do it and I wish others would do it to me as

Re: [FRIAM] Predictive coding basedon deep learning

2019-07-30 Thread glen∈ℂ
It's in these crevices of the discussion that it becomes obvious that the "painted surface" analogy [†] fails completely. This is why Hoffman's "interface" theory is so attractive. The same core point is made, just with more explanatory power. It's analogous to how we play video games. Good

Re: [FRIAM] Posts from the Scotts

2019-07-27 Thread glen∈ℂ
The 3 excerpts below seem to indicate the (my?) problem. At first, I though Marcus was agreeing with me by listing options for harm-of-eating-animals. But then he goes toward monism-by-unification with "agreeing on what matters" and whole-equilibrium-implies-part-equilibrium. And I thought

Re: [FRIAM] Posts from the Scotts

2019-07-27 Thread glen∈ℂ
It's not clear to me which of these Marcus was responding to. But it seems like he was responding to (1) with the variation as a function of changes in perspective. But your teasing with (2) seems likely, too, from which I infer that our world-cutters are dynamic and can be complexified

Re: [FRIAM] Posts from the Scotts

2019-07-27 Thread glen∈ℂ
nteresting to say, I have to worry if I am *also* a "kibitzer and a dilettante", with only cheap tricks like bait and switch, etc. ... and if so, what does that mean? [†] Meant to allude to a cookie dough cutter. On 7/26/19 10:34 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: I suppose Glen is claimi

Re: [FRIAM] Posts from the Scotts

2019-07-19 Thread glen∈ℂ
Yeah, I had the same reaction. But I lost to my own argument. Since Renee's been a grievance officer for her union, she and I've had an argument about "violence in the workplace". She claims (and both the union and management agree) that harsh words and aggressive tone and body language

Re: [FRIAM] "I have no idea what's going on." -- Towelie

2019-05-22 Thread glen∈ℂ
Bah! My dad was a pilot. So we flew on "passes" from the time I was born. I've been flying (as mostly a passenger) in 2 seater T-38s, 4 seater excursion flights over glaciers, etc. for my entire life. We even veered off and jumped a couple of runways at SAF with ... a pilot who will remain

Re: [FRIAM] words RE: words

2019-05-08 Thread glen∈ℂ
Yeah, you're right. Degenerate cases would violate the intuition. But that happens everywhere we're forced to develop coherent and complete definitions. The empty set is a good example. A set with nothing in it? Pffft. So, I'd be OK with the extreme case where the generators were expressive

Re: [FRIAM] More on levels of sequence organization

2019-05-05 Thread glen∈ℂ
I posit that all strict hierarchies *must* be violated for any[†] work to be done[‡]. In other words, strict hierarchies are fictions. They don't exist except in our imagination. So, the difference the violation makes is: Of course it violates a strict hierarchy; otherwise it wouldn't have

Re: [FRIAM] More on levels of sequence organization

2019-05-05 Thread glen∈ℂ
This is a great point. But these compressions work by establishing *regularity* in the self-evident/raw/explicit primitives they reproduce. And it's that regularity that provides for iteration. The hierarchies you're talking about work because each vertex in the branching structure (not always

Re: [FRIAM] A Question For Tomorrow

2019-05-04 Thread glen∈ℂ
Ha! Reading and comprehension are 2 different things. I read a lot and understand almost nothing. So, there's that. But thanks for acknowledging whatever effort I do put in. Let me try a more pragmatic rhetoric. Marcus' story about debugging a GGC is useful, here. I spend all day, every day,

Re: [FRIAM] More on levels of sequence organization

2019-05-04 Thread glen∈ℂ
Right. But that's the point, I think. To what extent are semantics invariant across these supposed "levels"? My argument is that "levels" are figments of our imagination. The best we can say is that iteration constructs something that we find convenient to name: "level". But what reality is

Re: [FRIAM] More on levels of sequence organization

2019-05-03 Thread glen∈ℂ
I remember skimming that paper before. The interesting question is the strictness (or "looseness") of the hierarchy. Figure 2 implies (eg "Verify") the ability to hop over entire levels. So the question boils down to whether or not it's really a hierarchy or something else, something like the

Re: [FRIAM] More on levels of sequence organization

2019-05-03 Thread glen∈ℂ
Excellent! Thanks. I think I've found my new .signature tagline: Exploring the bounds of stupidity since 1966! 8^) On 5/2/19 4:23 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: On the bounds of stupidity, there's at least a sucker born every minute, a large proportion of whom apparently benefit not at all from

Re: [FRIAM] Imposter complex

2019-05-02 Thread glen∈ℂ
On 5/2/19 8:30 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:> Glen writes: Isn't it possible this person was suffering from Inflated Self-esteem Syndrome? Yes, he most certainly was accused of that by my peers, most of whom did not appreciate his optimism. But whatever his attributes, his claim was provocat

[FRIAM] Imposter complex (was: A Question For Tomorrow)

2019-05-02 Thread glen∈ℂ
On 5/1/19 10:55 PM, David Eric Smith wrote: I agree. See the earlier post about Smolin versus Aaronson. Some people use common language to show you how smart they are; others use it to give you a tool to become smarter yourself. We do the best we can to identify who is who, in areas we

Re: [FRIAM] A Question For Tomorrow

2019-05-01 Thread glen
have their partners (male or female) celebrate the investment. >This should be the new mid-life crisis. -- glen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscri

Re: [FRIAM] A Question For Tomorrow

2019-05-01 Thread glen
quot;You're so pretty." I could live with >that (minus the pilot part - not gonna happen). Get me a shirt with >ruffles. No problem. -- glen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John

Re: [FRIAM] A Question For Tomorrow

2019-05-01 Thread glen∈ℂ
But that's what's confusing to me. Why do we need the metaphysical extrapolation from the model to "the true explanation"? I'm not saying I don't suffer from a similar need. I'm asking for myself as much as anyone else. By "seem very different", you're asserting classical logic, a fragility to

Re: [FRIAM] A Question For Tomorrow

2019-04-30 Thread glen∈ℂ
I struggled to find the proper branch of the thread-tree to place this post. But I decided to do it, here, because your invocation of "organism" confirms my bias. The inclusion of "consciousness" is a red herring, I think. And the expansion to "relations between entities", including "triads"

Re: [FRIAM] A Question For Tomorrow

2019-04-29 Thread glen∈ℂ
We can apply your ... pragmatism (not pragmaticism) inherent in "what good is gut pain" to your story vs. model question, too. The significance of any thing lies in what you can *do* with it. Hence, any "taken as given", self-evident propositions will only exist as tools, just like their

Re: [FRIAM] All hail confirmation bias!

2019-04-25 Thread glen∈ℂ
Yes! I can't seem to find a copy of the article. But going on your description and the figures, it looks like an excellent example of treating hierarchy as something to measure rather than impute. (The silverchair.com link didn't work, unfortunately.) Until I can find a copy, some of what

Re: [FRIAM] Trans/Post Homo Erectus/Sapiens/Faber/Hiveus

2019-04-18 Thread glen∈ℂ
And ... Restoration of brain circulation and cellular functions hours post-mortem https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1099-1 I've been guilty of calling the "brain in a vat" thought experiment silly. I'll have to stop doing that now. On 4/17/19 4:09 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: < As an

Re: [FRIAM] Everything she knows...

2019-04-17 Thread glen∈ℂ
On 4/16/19 11:52 PM, David West wrote: I am currently in Amsterdam - probably moving here for several years as two colleagues and I are starting a software development business. I'm jealous! A friend of mine in Utrecht suggested we start an organization together. But until Renee' finished

Re: [FRIAM] Everything she knows...

2019-04-16 Thread glen∈ℂ
Well, there are at least 2 ways I disagree: 1) Any ecological individual serves multiple bodies at once, and 2) Any one can serve different bodies at different moments. That we serve multiples presents a difference in degree so that there's a threshold for the number of bodies one serves.

Re: [FRIAM] Everything she knows...

2019-04-16 Thread glen
And here I thought "St. Bob" referred to this guy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._%22Bob%22_Dobbs On April 15, 2019 5:23:32 PM PDT, Frank Wimberly wrote: > St. Bob (Dylan). -- glen FRIAM Applied Complexity G

Re: [FRIAM] Everything she knows...

2019-04-15 Thread glen∈ℂ
On 4/14/19 7:06 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: 11. God; Goodnesss, Love energy, the Divine, a loving animating intelligence, the Cosmic Muffin. You will worship and serve something, so like St. Bob said, you gotta choose. You can play on our side, or Bill Maher's and Franklin Graham's.

Re: [FRIAM] /Topic Latent in: Latent Topics was: enough sleep?

2019-04-12 Thread glen∈ℂ
On 4/11/19 2:38 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: I find this kind of evidence unsatisfactory.How people act as individuals or in groups says nothing about how an AI might function as individuals or in groups. It's merely an inventory of flaws and idiosyncrasies of our species. Well, of

Re: [FRIAM] /Topic Latent in: Latent Topics was: enough sleep?

2019-04-11 Thread glen∈ℂ
On 4/10/19 1:34 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: https://sites.google.com/site/markshirey/ideas/golden-rule-and-prisoner-s-dilemma Excellent article! Thanks. Is it actually an article by Sagan? Or a blog post by Shirey? In any case, the "Tin Rule" targets my confusion well, because it's modal,

[FRIAM] FVPS 2019

2019-04-11 Thread glen∈ℂ
Arg! I wish I could go to this. If any of you do, please send along some notes. 2nd Workshop on Formal Verification of Physical Systems (FVPS 2019) https://www.cicm-conference.org/2019/cicm.php?event=fvps=general Theme One of the main issues behind many failing systems is the ad-hoc

Re: [FRIAM] enough sleep?

2019-04-10 Thread glen∈ℂ
The underlying thread seems to be the extent to which we are part of a fluid and the extent to which that fluid's phenomena are distinct from those phenomena generated by the individual parts, the humans. Individualist ⇔ socialist spectrum, the ontological status of groups (including whether

[FRIAM] theoremdep

2019-04-09 Thread glen
rtant property of classical reasoning, while it certainly is not a feature of reasoning carried out in ST." -- glen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://r

Re: [FRIAM] This server was online for under a minute before hackers were trying to crack it | ZDNet

2019-04-09 Thread glen
ute before hackers were trying to >crack it >https://www.zdnet.com/article/this-server-was-online-for-under-a-minute-before-cyber-criminals-started-to-hack-it/?ftag=TRE-03-10aaa6b=20491097527083334348667794110460 > >TJ -- glen ===

[FRIAM] enough sleep?

2019-04-09 Thread glen∈ℂ
If you’re not sleeping at work, you should be fired https://theconversation.com/if-youre-not-sleeping-at-work-you-should-be-fired-114006 I'm skeptical of the argument that "we're" not getting enough sleep. Just this morning, after getting plenty of good sleep last night (helped along by some

Re: [FRIAM] Friam Digest, Vol 190, Issue 1

2019-04-02 Thread glen∈ℂ
Well, I can't speak for the people advocating the AP, which I couldn't do because I'm too ignorant of what the users of the term mean by it. But I agree with you they seem to be talking about social systems more so than biological systems. It reminds me of Luhmann's extrapolation of

[FRIAM] math-induced vs. math-described creativity (was Re: TheoremDep)

2019-04-01 Thread glen∈ℂ
There's a lot to respond to, as always. But, also as always, I'm most attracted to potential conflict. 8^) And I'm going to be offensive and claim to know you better than you know yourself. >8^D I'd argue that your personal creativity as a kid wasn't based in math, but based in something more

Re: [FRIAM] new studies confirm existence galaxies almost-no-dark-matter

2019-04-01 Thread glen∈ℂ
e lot of magnets/lots and lots and lots of gravity energy and makes things go weird? Or weirder? On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 3:25 PM glen wrote: https://news.yale.edu/2019/03/29/new-studies-confirm-existence-galaxies-almost-no-dark-matter The finding was highly significant because it showed that dark ma

[FRIAM] new studies confirm existence galaxies almost-no-dark-matter

2019-03-31 Thread glen
said dark matter is not a substance but a > manifestation of the laws of gravity on a cosmic scale. -- glen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mail

Re: [FRIAM] TheoremDep

2019-03-27 Thread glen∈ℂ
Unfortunately, I have no sense of humor. (Seriously. I've been told so by many witty persons.) So, the question remains. Do you think that theorem dependency project is about concatenating proofs? On 3/27/19 2:02 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: Concatenate proofs. This reminds me of the old

Re: [FRIAM] TheoremDep

2019-03-27 Thread glen∈ℂ
It's not clear to me that the intent of that dependency project is to concatenate proofs. Is that what you guys think it's purpose is? It seems, to me, more like a reliability analysis, where the trustworthiness of any component depends (to a greater or lesser) extent on the trustworthiness

Re: [FRIAM] Human Magnetoreception!

2019-03-19 Thread glen
Very nice inside joke! Of course, you mean: If the cable changed its behavior, we changed our behavior. 8^) On 3/19/19 2:14 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > On a field trip to Berkeley when I was in high school in the SF Bay Area we > were standing near the Bevatron at what is now called the Lawrence

Re: [FRIAM] Human Magnetoreception!

2019-03-19 Thread glen
On 3/19/19 11:03 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: > 1. Is sleeping E/W significantly different and N/S geomagnetically?   > (I prefer to be woken by the rising sun, myself, not so clear on the > geomagnetic implications though) I don't know, of course. But my favorite story (?) I use on

Re: [FRIAM] Human Magnetoreception!

2019-03-19 Thread glen
You have to wonder how high fields might modify the behavior of non-neuronal tissue, as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioelectromagnetics A friend of mine experiments with nootropics and talks quite a bit about modafinil, which I *think* is a calcium channel blocker. I have to think a

Re: [FRIAM] is this true?

2019-03-08 Thread glen
Excellent! Thanks. The stuff I've found so far seems a bit motivated. For example, this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/27/health/behavior-like-drugs-talk-therapy-can-change-brain-chemistry.html Talks about functional reduction of activity in brain regions (one for OCD and a

Re: [FRIAM] is this true?

2019-03-08 Thread glen
d not be the first drug that was utilized to augment > therapy. MDA, MDMA, even LSD were all studied as ways to enhance, optimize, > therapy. > > An therapy, some kinds of it anyway, have also been demonstrated to > produce very mild altered states of consciousness — somewhat

Re: [FRIAM] are we how we behave?

2019-03-07 Thread glen
OK. I'm down with taking on risk for (whatever) reason. But the question in this thread is about whether or not one knows the type of risk prior to choosing it. Classifying risk is exactly the problem of classifying problems. If you don't understand the type of risk you're taking on, then

[FRIAM] is this true?

2019-03-07 Thread glen
From https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/07/opinion/ketamine-depression.html > After all, therapy and prescription drugs like antidepressants change the > brain in surprisingly similar ways. Does therapy exhibit changes in the brain similar to drugs (like antidepressants or not)? I wish the author

Re: [FRIAM] are we how we behave?

2019-03-07 Thread glen
Right, but ... as Dave's post indicates, we don't blame the victim for the crime. The whole point of infrastructure is to make progress on the goals we want. Where individualism is effective, we want to foster it. Where collectivism is effective, we want to foster that. But without knowing

Re: [FRIAM] are we how we behave?

2019-03-07 Thread glen
But, again, you're adding judgment and evaluative capabilities that seem to require some kind of understanding of the components involved. How would a car-ignorant person know that a Lyft ride from Santa Fe to Tesuque might involve some risk of, say, dying of exposure? We can assume they'd

Re: [FRIAM] are we how we behave?

2019-03-07 Thread glen
I'm not convinced. If such a Lyft customer suffered a breakdown from Santa Fe to Tesuque at, say, noon in the summer, one might make an argument that it would be good for that Lyft customer to know something about how the car works ... at least well enough to know whether the driver was

Re: [FRIAM] are we how we behave?

2019-03-07 Thread glen
No, not so that we can "relate" or "keep the peace", but so that we know what problem is being solved. In order to delegate, you have to know *something* about why you're delegating, right? As Steve tried to point out with the "form leads/follows function" and his talk about a well-stated

Re: [FRIAM] are we how we behave?

2019-03-06 Thread glen
seem like artificial bandaids. But if they are, then *every* part of the built environment, including roads and termite mounds are *also* artificial bandaids. On 3/5/19 5:42 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: > Glen - > > What a great (continued) riff on the (general) topic, in spite of the > thread wandering

<    5   6   7   8   9   10   11   12   13   14   >