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To: Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com>
Just to be clear, I don't disagree with some abstracti
in 2008? The account has not tweeted and has only 125 followers,
> within
> whom I cannot find any particular pattern.
>
> Where are the Anonymous Hacktivists in all this? Their intentions often seem
> meritible
> but I can't tell how effective they have been in some of their
ing goes horse races, take all this must do the
> right/wrong/good/evil/offensive thing energy and turn it into e-riots, or
> irl riots with cos play armor.
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> Think combining Charlottesville and Kent State.. Not pleasant to think about
> but is it completely preposterous? I don't think so.
> Yes, every stylish urban pastor these days has a Kevlar robe!
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to region, and that matters. But the black box
> (black hole?) of how minds form characters and orientations in response to
> streams of these things draws from an immense and to me-obscure range of
> inputs.
>
> Makes me wonder,
>
> Eric
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unrecognizeable languages, whose
> skin/hair/eye color or features were significantly different. I think these
> are very real evolutionarily adaptive roots of what we see as Xenophobia
> today.
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al experiences?
>
> I'd like to imagine that we *can* transcend all rules (explicit/implicit,
> crisp/fuzzy, etc.) but am not quite sure what that would mean or why?
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re. There is only posturing and marketing. So,
what better to understand Trump, *but* tools for marketing?
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living. The idea of
> evolution groping blindly through morphology space is absurd.
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Nazi.
On 09/10/2017 01:26 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> As far as out driving our headlights, yes please. That's all there is, in
> the end: Figuring stuff out. Everything else is just marking time.
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gt; https://medium.com/@russroberts/the-world-turned-upside-down-and-what-to-do-about-it-2dc27d1cf5f5
>
> <https://medium.com/@russroberts/the-world-turned-upside-down-and-what-to-do-about-it-2dc27d1cf5f5>
>
> Somewhat dark, but awfully close to home.
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-2M US Citizens
> because of their ethnicity (along with a smaller number of non-Citizens more
> recently immigrated from Mexico), qualifying for our modern definition of
> "ethnic cleansing".
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interesting to say about these two things. Maybe y'all do?
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ce we have some self-expressed monists, here, I might get lucky.
>
> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 11:11 AM, gⅼеɳ ☣ <geprope...@gmail.com
> <mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Classifying the evolutionary and ecological features of neoplasms
>
> http://www.
ee Group
> *Subject:* [FRIAM] Maybe a new hardware approach to deal with AI developments
>
> Probably It is the most interesting tech article that I have read in weeks.
>
> https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/16/technology/chips-off-the-old-block-computers-are-taking-design-cues
uld claim that all actions are actually temporally extended processes
rather than quantum events, I would claim that MOST actions involve branches
and many branches can be reached from other branches. So, not only are they
branched, but many of the branches don't "contradict" the other br
; Those distinctions may occupy a different plane than the distinction between
> reasonableness and dogmatism all in the world of conversation and the social
> exchange.
>
> But I should not speak for others. Only for myself as a spectator.
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belief
> and, therefore, at the moment of action, extinguishes all contrary beliefs.
> If you follow me here, I may appear to win the argument, but only on
> sophistic points.
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he could make the jump. I think James says Yes and
> Peirce says No. If that is the argument we are having, then I am satisfied
> we have wrung everything we can out of it.
>
> Anyway. I regret being cranky, but I can't seem to stop. Is that another
> example of what we
in
>> different bubbles of the multiverse?
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? Is this a silly idea? Does something like it exist
already? Would it be interesting? Useless?
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Like the self, it's trickery... an ephemeral binding or syncopation of our
various particular intelligences. By this reasoning, one day, we'll simply
wake up and notice that our car, with all it's little pieces of machine
learning have resulted in accidentally/stigmergically engineered intelli
ons. I suspect that's a
"unit" of selection as well.
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like
> pillows, paper towels, and so on.
I agree. But I think it's important to emphasize that those neurons are an
integral part of the sensorimotor complex. It's a bit of a false dichotomy to
distinguish "thoughts" from teeth and tongue.
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them.
>
> So the simple answer is that Hoffman is right that we don't see "the world as
> it is" but that doesn't mean there isn't a world as it is.
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e zero evidence that they dreamed at all.
So, even dreams are defined and determined by their extensions.
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for CS majors) late binding. For
> English Majors, I refer you back to Douglas Adams who describes all of this
> in very good, imagistic prose.
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hat most of the people who are hurt the most are probably
> Democrats. Still I can't seem to find any empathy for those states as such.
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ooking me out once
> more because the understory is the normalization of a subversive societal
> move toward a dystopian fascist state. It's promoted as science fiction, but
> it's very real and beware-- incredibly hard to watch. Women in the new
> society, of course,
ibrium" has more meanings than we often give it.
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Ha! Perfectamundo!
On 09/14/2017 10:16 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
> /*Illegitimi non carborundum*/
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can't yet watch "Cult", which is supposed to be
interesting.
On 09/14/2017 02:27 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> That Walking Dead stuff is for the red state audience.
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of Thrones,
etc.).
On 09/14/2017 02:46 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> And here I thought the zombies were the brown-skinned immigrants coming to
> take away the white people's jobs, destroy their culture, and steal their
> statues. What do I know!
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right at her. Hmm, maybe I'm not helping here? :-)
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e the predictions can be. Ideally, one would have a
> network of logical predicates that deterministically lead to one or a
> degenerate set of equivalent solutions.
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> "mind" because he knew so much about bats and insects?
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live in a world of inferred expectations which are largely confirmed.
> Like the other Feynman quote, it is wise only when we stipulate what is
> absurd about it and make something wise and noble of what is left.
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> oscillate wildly between the poles of "Philosopher" and "Philistine". All
> that rattled off, I truly value having enough understanding of all of these
> ideals to recognize the differences qualitatively, and to have mildly
> informed opinions about the better
>
> I think I know what he meant and generally support not getting frozen in
> inaction or muddying/qualifying a statement to the point of losing meaning.
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on egg identification.
> Is the reason physicists can’t make use of philosophy of science that they
> can’t think? I doubt anyone who cites this “aphorism” would come to that
> conclusion. Bad metaphor.
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eling relation (i.e. inference ≉
cause), and
2) I still think intra-individual circularity is necessary for biomimicry.
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ffects of chemotherapy or other debilitating
> illnesses some relatively healthy people just have no idea, and will never
> have an idea, how dramatically their body and metabolism can change with
> sustained exercise. That is not a behavior they will ever really
> investi
ith a
> view, perhaps, ultimately, in my dreams, teaching a program to step in for
> the students.
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erent views? Is this just some sort of semantic
> food fight that we can tidy up with a few quick definitions and move on? Or
> are we really arguing about something, here? Am not interested in the fine
> points of your thought, right now. What is it that */you all agree
no commitment to convergence in such discourses. Screw pluralism.
>
>
>
> I think you ARE a Peircean.
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> https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-grandfather-of-alt-science/
> <https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-grandfather-of-alt-science/>
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emarks have a nonzero inner product
> with the truth, you don’t thereby “transcend” Feynman and stand above him, in
> the same way that set theory transcends and stands above arithmetic by
> constructing a model for it. Feynman’s achievements don’t thereby become
> your achievem
ero inner
>> product with the truth, you don’t thereby “transcend” Feynman and stand
>> above him, in the same way that set theory transcends and stands above
>> arithmetic by constructing a model for it. Feynman’s achievements don’t
>> t
t;> chauvinist showboater, then even if your remarks have a nonzero inner
>>> product with the truth, you don’t thereby “transcend” Feynman and stand
>>> above him, in the same way that set theory transcends and stands above
>>
ghly objective knowledge of reality, we must go beyond having a field
> that assumes P and a field that assumes not-P – we must investigate whether
> or not P is actually true.
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and-high-water-text> article.
> And
> this<https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/houston-spent-massively-on-new-stadiums-not-its-aging-dams-as-harvey-proved-that-was-a-very-bad-choice/2017/09/05/94d006de-923a-11e7-aace-04b862b2b3f3_story.html>
> a
6th World Congress and School on Universal Logic
http://www.uni-log.org/start6.html
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The computers being trained to beat you in an argument
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-41010848
> At the University of Dundee we have recently even been using 2,000-year-old
> theories of rhetoric as a way of spotting the structures of real-life
> arguments.
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apt) snark. But there's a big
difference between "chasing them away with sticks" and "holding the line". The
former is bad. The latter is good.
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chants are stupid
anyway. >8^D
On 08/17/2017 12:36 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Hold the line, but if violence is used to break it, adopt a liberal
> definition of self-defense. I would have some concern of the tendency of a
> stick to fragment and not deliver enough energy.
into garden
variety right wingers. [sigh]
But the more (and more often) we can root out the pseudo-scholars and replace
them with those less linguistically endowed, the easier it will be for the
laity to see how impoverished their ideas are.
On 08/17/2017 04:01 PM, gⅼеɳ wrote:
> The Fut
gt; fashions of criticism precisely because there is no commitment to
>> convergence in such discourses. Screw pluralism.
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ent for the principle below as an argument
> that you would approve of.
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rants are rapists and murderers. The argument valid but wrong, only
> because it starts from a false premise.
>
> So, if all arguments must eventually be based on premises derived from
> authorities, what separates appropriate and inappropriate appeals to
> aut
be *accurately*
formalized? Worse yet, do you believe that all argument can be reduced to
deduction?
On 10/03/2017 05:13 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
> Aren't you missing a premise, if you are seeking a valid deductive argument?
>
> What connects Albert's thought with your conclusion?
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that question around: How can even have a discussion if we don't assume
> that there is a truth of the matter? "Truth" is what makes it possible to
> have a discussion.
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at don't like insurancy what's a typical cost to get started?
> per visit.
>
> Who do take insurance? If anyone knows? Did you have any luck? What other
> ways might help manage or fix TMJ and TechNech?
> Acupuncture School's been a great start.
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ome but with
> only 5-6 essions it's hard to make solid progress.
>
> What might be the next step then? BoddyWork specialist maybe? If their is
> such a thing?
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Dave COULD BE wrong. Dave's idea that "mathematical logic" is impoverished
may not be right if something like Feferman's solution could work. And Nick's
idea that convergence within the universe's formal system, S, implies truth may
be wrong if something l
ersity park blocks
> going after the Christian apologists. But they were the ones gas lighting
> the passers-by. Being an anti- gas lighter – a demolisher of belief -- is
> not being a gas lighter. The complement of the gas-lighted message and it
> is a bigger, freer space,
f in here. Truth can apply to both kinds of stuff. I E, there is a
> truth-of-the-matter with respect to what you think or what I think, as well
> as a truth of the matter with respect to whether what we think is true of the
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mpt to describe a naive realist's definition of truth that differs from
Peirce's? Or perhaps you could describe Hoffman's interface perception theory
(which I think is an alternative to what you're saying Peirce's is)?
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out by you or Rosen.
On 10/17/2017 01:18 PM, Prof David West wrote:
> Nothing about language or thought, but a hint of the truth-preserving
> machine in which people squirm that Glen described.
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ironment, regardless of the structure of that environment.
On 10/19/2017 11:34 AM, Prof David West wrote:
> Nick's definition arises at the level of a group, while mine is restricted to
> the condition of a single entity.
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ionalize and excuse asocial behavior
> · Results in existential loneliness
>
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gt; And, what is the relation between PoMo and Existentialism? I take
> existentialism to be the doctrine that all meaning in life, if human life has
> any meaning, is generated or asserted by the humans that live it.
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gt; And, what is the relation between PoMo and Existentialism? I take
> existentialism to be the doctrine that all meaning in life, if human life has
> any meaning, is generated or asserted by the humans that live it.
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various cultural responses to, among others, climate change, the
> financial crisis, and (geo)political instability./
>
> /The prefix 'meta' here refers not to some reflective stance or repeated
> rumination, but to Plato's //metaxy <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaxy>//,
&
Also Known As: Beware equating experience with existence.
On 11/21/2017 02:00 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> Beware the tendency to think that if you can't immediately measure something
> then it doesn't exist.
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]. The employer and employee come into this
> relationship where we're going to train you and you will work for us for the
> next five years. We'll put you on this curriculum where every couple months
> you get a promotion. ... So I think there are
remy England's Physics Theory of Life
> <https://www.quantamagazine.org/first-support-for-a-physics-theory-of-life-20170726/>
> (Note: this is from /QuantaMagazine/, which we also discussed) and, perhaps
> with Nobel-Prize-winning physical chemist Ilya Prigogine views derived
iogenesis by
> appealing to the idea of metabolic homeostasis with the production of
> dissipative systems being a likely outcome in this universe. Anyway, I should
> have used the term "complements" versus "competes."
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as England.
> So, if Marletto is consistent with England, then Marletto might also be
> consistent with Smolin. And my stronger assertion is that England does not
> seem to contradict Smolin.
>
> If, in Marletto, we set the &qu
which I believe Selfness inherits
> from. Perhaps Brian Cantwell Smith has had something to say about all of
> this? It has been decades since I read him... maybe I can find my copy of
> "Origin of Objects"? Or maybe it is just a faulty memory of an illusory
> temporally
uot;either-or". In Fiddler on the Roof, Tevya says to A,
> "you're right". B objects and Tevya says again, "You're right". C says that
> they can't both be right and Tevya says, "You're also right".
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will find the woodstove perched on top
> of those very same blocks again. Of course, I may change plans mid-course
> if I find another set of blocks with more appropriate or promising qualities
> for the purpose..
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Chestnut about whether a tree falling in a forest makes a sound is an
> example.
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yourself, you will have a difficult time.
>
> Here is a link:
>
>
> http://borderlinepersonality.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/06/lack-of-object.html
>
> <http://borderlinepersonality.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/06/lack-of-object.html>
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the side, parked outside my house every month or so, I wouldn't worry so much.
8^)
On 10/20/2017 04:11 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Add extra (vpn/tor) encryption where it matters [by using this device].
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u’re waiting for software updates for your mobile devices and
> computers we recommend using our VPN client while connected to WiFi. The
> encrypted tunnel that the VPN creates when you connect prevents
> Man-in-the-middle attacks. This is the sort of attac
res gets you 5 vouchers. Good language scores get you
3. 8^) And vouchers are non-transferable and temporally limited. If you have
more than 7 babies, then you're on your own for the remainder.
Of course, it has to be incentive based, or we'll retread some of our past
mistakes.
ld be that the high-order aspects of wisdom are cognitively too costly
> (operationally) at some point. Diminishing returns on complexity.. Delays
> on action are as dangerous as imprudent actions.
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ing that this fossilization
> occurs, is that a human idiosyncrasy that plasticity reduces? Perhaps it
> could be treated with drugs, electroshock therapy, stem cells, PTSD
> medication, etc.?
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the program for
specialty selection.
On 10/30/2017 01:52 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
> So maybe AIs will have molting stages?
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n as a society we ought to invest more
> in retired people as their uniqueness is deeper and also more fragile. But
> instead we celebrate births even thought infants are mere hardware that won't
> have consciousness for months after birth.
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ide. Cessation of neural activity ,
>autonomic
>functions like cardio pulmonary circulation usually stop abruptly.
>Even
>cell metabolism endures for only a few minutes. But other processes
>(especially among the human biome) continue all the way into ful
/2017 12:07 AM, Prof David West wrote:
> I define lower-case truth as nothing more than one of those capability
> diminishing 'failures' of the system.
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Actors use the term, 'mail it in' to describe performances that are done
> without thought. Tom Cruise is an actor oft accused of mailing it in because
> everything he does, regardless of film or character, is the same - it is Tom
> Cruise, not the character he is supposed to be portrayi
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