Re: Heat sink break-in period?

2009-03-14 Thread pdimage
On 13/3/09 22:18, MacGuy macgu...@gmail.com wrote: just replaced my stock mdd heatsink with a copper one, question, is there a break-in period and if so, approx. how long? I'm sitting at 135.6F (57C) and the fans are running at a high rpm with no load on the computer to speak of. Jeff

Re: Thermal grease?

2009-03-14 Thread Ernest L. Gunerius
On 14/3/09 02:32, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: Overclockers who are set on defeating heat to preserve costly CPUs yet squeeze extreme clock counts out of them have been known to polish the CPU and heatsink with ever finer grades of wet or dry paper starting with

Re: Thermal grease?

2009-03-14 Thread PeterH
On Mar 14, 2009, at 2:38 AM, Ernest L. Gunerius wrote: It could be argued and possibly answered by experiment that there could be a surface condition in the range between a very rough finish and a finish that imposes a Casimir force that would give the minimum thermal resistance at a

Re: Thermal grease?

2009-03-14 Thread insightinmind
On Mar 14, 2009, at 8:25 AM, PeterH wrote: For the LGA 775 products from Intel, which present a very large surface area to the cooler, the most popular method of extreme cooling is lapping the processor and the cooler to flatness, followed by application of the best available heat

Re: Safari 4 - Refresh?

2009-03-14 Thread Dan
At 4:22 PM -0400 3/13/2009, Steve R wrote: At 12:02 PM -0400 3/13/09, Dan posted: At 11:31 AM -0400 3/13/2009, Steve R wrote: Where did the Refresh button go? I'm not even finding it under Customise Toolbar? The spinning thingy on the right of the address field. Or (what I did) change

Re: Thermal grease?

2009-03-14 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 4:43 AM, pdimage pdim...@btinternet.com wrote: On 14/3/09 02:32, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: Overclockers who are set on defeating heat to preserve costly CPUs yet squeeze extreme clock counts out of them have been known to polish the

Re: Safari 4 - Refresh?

2009-03-14 Thread tonycd
Dan, Pardon my ignorance, but how do you implement those commands? Thanks, Tony On Mar 14, 9:54 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: Safari 4 really does work well. The interface annoyances can all be tamed - these three defaults commands will put things back: tabs in the right place,

Re: Thermal grease?

2009-03-14 Thread James E. Therrault
Ernest L. Gunerius wrote: On 14/3/09 02:32, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: Overclockers who are set on defeating heat to preserve costly CPUs yet squeeze extreme clock counts out of them have been known to polish the CPU and heatsink with ever finer grades of

Re: Thermal grease?

2009-03-14 Thread insightinmind
On Mar 14, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Mar 12, 2009, at 6:46 PM, PeterH wrote: Silicone thermal grease needs no special preparation. Arctic Silver must be applied according to instructions, as this stuff is conductive, and it can short-out a processor, if improperly

Re: Thermal grease?

2009-03-14 Thread pdimage
On 14/3/09 16:28, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: Is this true? I'd think there's a chance the the word conductive is being misinterpreted? It seems to me that thermal paste is likely to be thermodynamically conductive and not likely to be electrically conductive? Yes this is

Re: Thermal grease?

2009-03-14 Thread pdimage
On 14/3/09 14:50, PAR prieme...@msn.com wrote: still don't have a good feel for an answer. For example, arctic silver (and comparable products) say they are thermal conductors and not electrical conductors, yet the fine print says it may end up shorting out circuits -- in plain English,

Re: Thermal grease?

2009-03-14 Thread Clark Martin
PAR wrote: still don't have a good feel for an answer. For example, arctic silver (and comparable products) say they are thermal conductors and not electrical conductors, yet the fine print says it may end up shorting out circuits -- in plain English, that means it is an electrical

BW with new Tiger won't recognize keyboards

2009-03-14 Thread tonycd
Just installed Tiger on a new blank hard drive in a BW, then transplanted the drive into another BW. (Long story. You don't wanna know.) The computer booted up perfectly. When the Initialize Your Keyboard (or whatever the window's called) popped up, though, it doinked that it didn't acknowledge

Re: Thermal grease?

2009-03-14 Thread Stephen E. Bodnar
insightinmind wrote: On Mar 14, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Mar 12, 2009, at 6:46 PM, PeterH wrote: Silicone thermal grease needs no special preparation. Arctic Silver must be applied according to instructions, as this stuff is conductive, and it can short-out a

Re: BW with new Tiger won't recognize keyboards

2009-03-14 Thread tonycd
Okay, that what's a laptop? comment was really really stupid. (Can you tell I don't like typing on laptops?) The keyboard is an original Apple blue white. It is, or at least was, plugged into the built-in USB ports. Per your comment, I just moved the blue keyboard's USB connection to a PCI

Re: Can't Delete Mail

2009-03-14 Thread joe
On Mar 13, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: Also, I did think maybe I should reinstall Mail. The Drafts box is also not working. There's no Trash mailbox either. Is there supposed to be one? Can I do this without doing an entire Archive Install? I would use the latest

Re: BW with new Tiger won't recognize keyboards

2009-03-14 Thread Clark Martin
tonycd wrote: Okay, that what's a laptop? comment was really really stupid. (Can you tell I don't like typing on laptops?) What what's a laptop?? comment. IF you're going to accuse me of something stupid make sure I DID. I was quite serious. If you don't want any help then don't ask.

Re: Can't Delete Mail

2009-03-14 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Mar 13, 2009, at 5:01 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: Any ideas? Also, I did think maybe I should reinstall Mail. The Drafts box is also not working. Define 'not working'? Is nothing appearing there? If you click 'Save as Draft' does it not do so? There's no Trash mailbox either. Is

Re: Thermal grease?

2009-03-14 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Mar 14, 2009, at 1:43 AM, pdimage wrote: On 14/3/09 02:32, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: Overclockers who are set on defeating heat to preserve costly CPUs yet squeeze extreme clock counts out of them have been known to polish the CPU and heatsink with

Re: Thermal grease?

2009-03-14 Thread insightinmind
Ya, I can tell you from experience that it IS electrically conductive. Got a blob where I shouldn't have on a motherboard once upon a time, luckily I got it cleaned off after it wouldn't run. ... Arctic Silver has metal particles in the gel - I'm not sure if it is aluminum or real silver.

iMac resists Safari upgrade

2009-03-14 Thread Michael Emery
I have a 20 May 2005 iMac that doesn't welcome any flavor of Safari that's newer than 3.0.4! The problem has been long-running and persistent. Whenever I attempt an upgrade, say an upgrade to the current Safari 4 beta, the result is that Safari quits upon launching. I then restore good, old 3.0.4

Re: Thermal grease?

2009-03-14 Thread Charles Davis
On Mar 14, 2009, at 3:16 PM, Clark Martin wrote: PAR wrote: still don't have a good feel for an answer. For example, arctic silver (and comparable products) say they are thermal conductors and not electrical conductors, yet the fine print says it may end up shorting out circuits -- in

Re: iMac resists Safari upgrade

2009-03-14 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Mar 14, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Michael Emery wrote: I have a 20 May 2005 iMac that doesn't welcome any flavor of Safari that's newer than 3.0.4! The problem has been long-running and persistent. Whenever I attempt an upgrade, say an upgrade to the current Safari 4 beta, the result is that

Re: Thermal grease?

2009-03-14 Thread PeterH
On Mar 14, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Charles Davis wrote: The 'Electrically conductive' being a problem is NOT between the processor heat sink, it's the problem caused by 'excess conductive paste' oozing onto circuit traces adjacent to the processor, and shorting various signals and/or power

Re: BW with new Tiger won't recognize keyboards

2009-03-14 Thread tonycd
Sorry, Clark. I should have been clearer -- I was spoofing myself for overlooking the obvious, not you. I meant to say I'd apparently forgotten that laptops existed. Thank you again for your comment about which USB port I was using, which apparently led me to a solution for my problem. On Mar

Re: iMac resists Safari upgrade

2009-03-14 Thread Steve R
At 2:05 PM -0700 3/14/09, Bruce Johnson posted: On Mar 14, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Michael Emery wrote: I have a 20 May 2005 iMac that doesn't welcome any flavor of Safari that's newer than 3.0.4! The problem has been long-running and persistent. Whenever I attempt an upgrade, say an upgrade

Re: Thermal grease?

2009-03-14 Thread Clark Martin
PeterH wrote: On Mar 14, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Charles Davis wrote: The 'Electrically conductive' being a problem is NOT between the processor heat sink, it's the problem caused by 'excess conductive paste' oozing onto circuit traces adjacent to the processor, and shorting various signals

Trouble with Bondi again.

2009-03-14 Thread Cyrus
Well, I posted about my G3 Bondi iMac before, but now I've encountered a different problem. Here are the specs: 233MHz OSX 10.2.8 92mb RAM. Here's the problem: It runs fine for a while, (5-15mins) then, the display goes black, the power light goes yellow (like it does when it sleeps) and no

Oh, that nasty cigarette goo!

2009-03-14 Thread MacGuy
Got a mac pro that's spent it's entire existence on the floor, in a cramped space with a chain-smoker for the past year and a half. The thing is so clogged with yellow goo and dirt that the power supply literally caught fire once about 4 months ago. Fortunately for him, Apple came through

Re: Oh, that nasty cigarette goo!

2009-03-14 Thread MacGuy
On Mar 14, 2009, at 5:17 PM, McGrude wrote: On the outside I'd just use Fformula 409 and then follow with Windex and then water. On the inside? I dunno. The outside is the easy part you'd think there would be a spray bath that you could use? I wonder what the pro's use? They

Re: Oh, that nasty cigarette goo!

2009-03-14 Thread George R. Hozendorf
On Mar 14, 2009, at 7:20 PM, MacGuy wrote: On Mar 14, 2009, at 5:17 PM, McGrude wrote: On the outside I'd just use Fformula 409 and then follow with Windex and then water. On the inside? I dunno. The outside is the easy part you'd think there would be a spray bath that you

Re: Trouble with Bondi again.

2009-03-14 Thread Kris Tilford
On Mar 14, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Cyrus wrote: Well, I posted about my G3 Bondi iMac before, but now I've encountered a different problem. Here are the specs: 233MHz OSX 10.2.8 92mb RAM. Here's the problem: It runs fine for a while, (5-15mins) then, the display goes black, the power light

Re: Oh, that nasty cigarette goo!

2009-03-14 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 8:08 PM, MacGuy macgu...@gmail.com wrote: Got a mac pro that's spent it's entire existence on the floor, in a cramped space with a chain-smoker for the past year and a half. The thing is so clogged with yellow goo and dirt that the power supply literally caught fire

Keyboard shortcut for ScreenSaver in Leopard?

2009-03-14 Thread Dana Collins
Greetings, Just wondering: is there a way to create a keyboard shortcut for your screen saver to engage (rather than reaching w-a-a-y d-o-w-n and grab the mouse and move it w-a-a-a-y u-u-p the screen to hit a hot corner)? I do not see one listed, and to add one for a specific app only brings up

Re: Thermal grease?

2009-03-14 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Mar 14, 2009, at 1:43 AM, pdimage wrote: On 14/3/09 02:32, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: Overclockers who are set on defeating heat to preserve costly CPUs yet squeeze

Re: Oh, that nasty cigarette goo!

2009-03-14 Thread George R. Hozendorf
On Mar 14, 2009, at 7:32 PM, MacGuy wrote: On Mar 14, 2009, at 5:28 PM, George R. Hozendorf wrote: On Mar 14, 2009, at 7:20 PM, MacGuy wrote: On Mar 14, 2009, at 5:17 PM, McGrude wrote: On the outside I'd just use Fformula 409 and then follow with Windex and then water. On

Re: Oh, that nasty cigarette goo!

2009-03-14 Thread Steve R
At 5:32 PM -0700 3/14/09, MacGuy posted: On Mar 14, 2009, at 5:28 PM, George R. Hozendorf wrote: On the inside? I dunno. Electrical Contact Cleaner. I believe it was Bruce who recommended it for cleaning the inside last year some time. I've used Gunk brand non-flammable electrical

Re: Thermal grease?

2009-03-14 Thread glen
The Over Clockers are the modern equivalent of the old Shade Tree Mechanics squeezing the last possible Horsepower/Torque out of a Flat Head Ford engine; as they work within their version of the Triple Constraint. If it works for them, Hurrah, ErnieG Heh... You

Re: Thermal grease?

2009-03-14 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 9:25 PM, glen glenst...@yahoo.com wrote: For conductive heat transfer as in this case you ideally want perfectly flat surfaces. They wouldn't need any heat transfer compound between them as there would be no gap. But ideal and perfect are on back order so you

G3 stalls on boot-up

2009-03-14 Thread old newbie
My 400Mhz G3 won't complete its boot. It seems to be going through the process, albeit slowly, but then stops, with a message at the top of the screen, which still has only the Apple logo, which says something like, half duplex disabled, and the system stops. I acquired a couple of G3 boxes,

Re: Oh, that nasty cigarette goo!

2009-03-14 Thread Tom
And that's all just from second-hand smoke. Imagine the insides of the lungs that got that smoke full strength. You can't use degreaser on them. I don't know how many friends and relatives I've lost to lung cancer. Smokers are just plain nuts.

Re: Oh, that nasty cigarette goo!

2009-03-14 Thread Charles Davis
On Mar 14, 2009, at 8:08 PM, MacGuy wrote: Got a mac pro that's spent it's entire existence on the floor, in a cramped space with a chain-smoker for the past year and a half. The thing is so clogged with yellow goo and dirt that the power supply literally caught fire once about 4 months

Re: Safari 4 - Refresh?

2009-03-14 Thread Dan
At 8:57 AM -0700 3/14/2009, tonycd wrote: Pardon my ignorance, but how do you implement those commands? Quit Safari Copy the commands as-is, all at once. Launch Terminal (/Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app) Paste 'em into Terminal's window. Launch Safari - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus;

Re: Oh, that nasty cigarette goo!

2009-03-14 Thread Paul
I wonder how much of that goo is from the tobacco itself and how much is from all the additives they use. In my experience, the smell lingers 10 times as long from regular cigarette smoke as it does from additive-free cigarettes. This isn't proof, but it is suggestive.

Re: Best G4 powermac??

2009-03-14 Thread Paul
1) Dual 1.0 GHz G4 -- 60 minutes [ 10.4.11, 1.5 GB 133 MHz RAM ] 2) Core 2 Duo E8400 running at 3.6 GHz -- 12.5 minutes (4.8 times as   fast) [ 10.5.5, 2 GB 800 MHz RAM ] 3) Core 2 Quad Q9400 running at 3.2 GHz -- 10 minutes ( 6 times as   fast) [ 10.5.6, 2 GB 800 MHz RAM ] How would a

Re: Oh, that nasty cigarette goo!

2009-03-14 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 3/14/09 6:09 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: I have had this with three old Macs. My drill is to get My drill is not to buy machines from smokers because the stench will never be completely removed from said computer. Kyle Hansen -- This