Re: Alternatives to iTunes
Songbird is unfortunately only for Intel Macs [?] On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 2:26 AM, Peter peter1...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Ralph sfrea...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Howdy, On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 13:50 -0500, Dan wrote: In the thread iTunes and duplicating songs, on 12/3/2008, Ralph wrote: [...] I have no interest in iTunes. It just does not work well enough to merit use. So what don't you like about iTunes? iTunes has a bad license. It is not the worst license I have seen, but the worst part is it got annoying having to read the license and agree to it so often. It seems like it is updated often enough that this became tiresome. One of the worst aspects to me is how Apple just removes capability from iTunes and and there is no recourse. That is the problem with depending on a closed source proprietary application for something that matters to me like the front end of my media collection. iTunes also poorly supports the format of most of my audio collection and that is what I mean about it not working well. I use ogg vorbis for most files. I tested a couple of plugins that added ogg support, but I did not think they worked well. What app(s) are you using instead? I have tried several audio programs, and none seem very close to ideal. I am writing my own program and I'll probably move to that in 2009. My program is more than a simple player, but that is one niche it will fill. Most often now a days, I find myself using vlc. - Dan. Good day, Ralph There is an application called Songbird but I'm not sure which formats it will support. It is Open Source. http://getsongbird.com/ Peter M. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- inline: 323.gif
Re: Alternatives to iTunes
On 13-Dec-08, at 4:48 AM, Brian Durant wrote: Songbird is unfortunately only for Intel Macs Actually, it turns out there is a PPC port available here: http://wiki.songbirdnest.com/Developer/Articles/Builds/Contributed_Builds - Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Major Airport issues
On Dec 13, 2008, at 8:26 AM, Chris N wrote: Any input on this would be much appreciated. I've got a bunch of Macs at home, ranging from a G4 400 (wireless) through a G4 dual 1.25 (wired), G5 iMac (wired), Intel iMac (wireless) and a couple of powerbooks/macbooks. I have a Comcast cable modem network at home driven by a MaxPower (OWC) draft 802.11n wireless network. For the older macs and powerbooks I have either PCI cards or PCMCIA adapters running the manufacturers software and everything works well (except iTunes video streaming of content that was not directly downloaded fom the iTunes store - this broke quite a few versions ago and was my reasoning for upgrading the network in the first place). The problem comes when I try to use inbuilt Airport software to access the network. The WEP passwords are correct, IP addresses are assigned to the machines and the DNS addresses for Comcast are all added. Sometimes on some machines I can get access to the internet and sometimes I can't. And sometimes when I have access I randomly lose it. This isn't machine specific, it is specific to the mode being used to log on, and I'm not having any issue getting an IP address assigned, so I am out of guesses. Any input would be much appreciated - machines are either running 10.4.11 or 10.5.5 with the latest versions of airport installed. I had a very similar issue using an Apple Time Capsule 802.11n router. My situation was slightly different in that it mainly involved older 802.11b 802.11g connections, but it WAS related to the WEP encryption. I did a lot of internet research trying to locate this issue, and the only solution that worked was to disable WEP encryption. That didn't bother me any, I had an unencrypted network my entire life before getting the Time Capsule, I don't mind sharing my connection with those who passby, and have nothing I'm ashamed of or need to protect. Unencrypted everything works and connects fine. I THOUGHT it was a bug in the Apple Time Capsule software, but your similar issue would seem to indicate it's in the client software, unless our issues are coincidence and related to our respective routers? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Major Airport issues
On Dec 13, 2008, at 9:14 AM, Chris N wrote: I thought this might be it, but I can get IP addresses from my neighbors unencrypted networks and still can't access the internet. That sounds different. You should be able to connect. The DNS on these networks might not be correct, but I should still be able to get something - right? I gave up on my ISP's DNS and went to using OpenDNS. If you do this, go to the DNS tab in you Network Preferences, delete all the other DNS addresses and add 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mac book vs PC?
My Reply follows quote. On 12/12/2008 11:43 ildonpepp...@yahoo.com said: Greetings: I'm new here so forgive me if I'm asking a question that has been beaten to death! I'm looking to move from a PC to a Macbook, but have no experience othr than on a PC, which I'm not really good at anyway. I'd like to get into basic family photo/movie stuff on the computer, and I use it a bit for reports for work, e-mail and general internet surfing, etc. Not into any heavy duty programs, games or the like. I am sick and tired of the crap I have to put up with on Windows based PC's, always shutting down, error messages, re-boots, tons of spam and viruses, and all the other garbage that goes with that set up. Will moving to a Mac eliminate any/all of those issues? Pros-cons? Seriously, I'm so frustrated I'm about to toss my whole system into the Bay! Thanks in advance for any help/info you may provide. And once again, sorry if I've asked a question you experts have heard over and over. I just didn't know where to turn... --- Toss it. Don't look back. The Mac really can't do much about SPAM, as that is sort of like the billboards of the 50s. Until there is a way to hunt down the spammers and mash them with a large hammer, they will be around. Virtually no viruses with the Mac. A few have shown up but are readily blocked by secruity updates and reasonable Safe Surfing. Using the Mac will be virtuall hassle free compared to using the software you have used in the past. You can forget all the other garbage that goes with that set up that causes you pain. That's my take. Ken http://mysite.verizon.net/res7gt1w/stackomacs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Major Airport issues
On Dec 13, 2008, at 9:26 AM, Chris N wrote: Folks, Any input on this would be much appreciated. I've got a bunch of Macs at home, ranging from a G4 400 (wireless) through a G4 dual 1.25 (wired), G5 iMac (wired), Intel iMac (wireless) and a couple of powerbooks/macbooks. I have a Comcast cable modem network at home driven by a MaxPower (OWC) draft 802.11n wireless network. For the older macs and powerbooks I have either PCI cards or PCMCIA adapters running the manufacturers software and everything works well (except iTunes video streaming of content that was not directly downloaded fom the iTunes store - this broke quite a few versions ago and was my reasoning for upgrading the network in the first place). The problem comes when I try to use inbuilt Airport software to access the network. The WEP passwords are correct, IP addresses are assigned to the machines and the DNS addresses for Comcast are all added. Sometimes on some machines I can get access to the internet and sometimes I can't. And sometimes when I have access I randomly lose it. This isn't machine specific, it is specific to the mode being used to log on, and I'm not having any issue getting an IP address assigned, so I am out of guesses. Any input would be much appreciated - machines are either running 10.4.11 or 10.5.5 with the latest versions of airport installed. Thanks Chris Chris, Don't know if this will help, I had my wireless phone within three feet of my base station and whenever I answered it it would interrupt the transmission. Had to re-establish each time. John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.com If there are no dogs in Heaven, when I die I want to go where they went.ยจ --Will Rogers extreme positive = (ybya2) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mac book vs PC?
On Dec 13, 2008, at 9:19 AM, Ken wrote: The Mac really can't do much about SPAM, My SPAM filter in Mail.app is about 99.9% efficient. I wait until the SPAM box is full to several hundred before scanning and deleting. If you mark the wrong ones as not spam it remembers and learns. Likewise, if one slips through, if you mark it as SPAM rather than deleting it, you'll never deal with that variety again. The problem is there are infinite varieties, like mutating viruses, and a few always seem to slip by. I'm more bothered when legitimate email is filtered out, but thankfully that is rare for me. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mac book vs PC?
My Reply follows quote. On 13/12/2008 07:27 ktilfo...@cox.net said: On Dec 13, 2008, at 9:19 AM, Ken wrote: The Mac really can't do much about SPAM, My SPAM filter in Mail.app is about 99.9% efficient. I wait until the SPAM box is full to several hundred before scanning and deleting. If you mark the wrong ones as not spam it remembers and learns. Likewise, if one slips through, if you mark it as SPAM rather than deleting it, you'll never deal with that variety again. The problem is there are infinite varieties, like mutating viruses, and a few always seem to slip by. I'm more bothered when legitimate email is filtered out, but thankfully that is rare for me. Ditto, but it still comes. Sort of like smog, we just haven't found the solution yet. Ken http://mysite.verizon.net/res7gt1w/stackomacs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Major Airport issues
On Dec 13, 2008, at 10:24 AM, John Callahan wrote: On Dec 13, 2008, at 9:26 AM, Chris N wrote: Folks, Any input on this would be much appreciated. I've got a bunch of Macs at home, ranging from a G4 400 (wireless) through a G4 dual 1.25 (wired), G5 iMac (wired), Intel iMac (wireless) and a couple of powerbooks/macbooks. I have a Comcast cable modem network at home driven by a MaxPower (OWC) draft 802.11n wireless network. For the older macs and powerbooks I have either PCI cards or PCMCIA adapters running the manufacturers software and everything works well (except iTunes video streaming of content that was not directly downloaded fom the iTunes store - this broke quite a few versions ago and was my reasoning for upgrading the network in the first place). The problem comes when I try to use inbuilt Airport software to access the network. The WEP passwords are correct, IP addresses are assigned to the machines and the DNS addresses for Comcast are all added. Sometimes on some machines I can get access to the internet and sometimes I can't. And sometimes when I have access I randomly lose it. This isn't machine specific, it is specific to the mode being used to log on, and I'm not having any issue getting an IP address assigned, so I am out of guesses. Any input would be much appreciated - machines are either running 10.4.11 or 10.5.5 with the latest versions of airport installed. Thanks Chris Chris, Don't know if this will help, I had my wireless phone within three feet of my base station and whenever I answered it it would interrupt the transmission. Had to re-establish each time. I had a similar issue of my QS dropping the Airlink USB 2 WLAN, WEP encrypted connection to my Westell 327W Wireless router. Funny how it never dropped it when it was located away from the (wireless) telephone base, but began random dropouts when it was moved in line with ... I could never get the new CCC 3.1.2 (now 3.1.3) to complete a backup over the wireless network ... so I changed to a wired PCI card by Rosewill for the QS. My over the network backup works fine now. Will reconsider using my USB 2 Airlink3026 (via WEP encryption) with this info at hand ... maybe try without WEP as an experiment ... I thought the device was going bad ... being over a year old ... Thanks. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Disk Utility
At 12:00 AM -0500 12/13/2008, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: I just brought the G4 up to 10.4.11 and realize I need some form of Disk Utility. I was going to ask about Diskwarrior et al, but every time I buy this I never use it, so this time will wait for a problem before running out. What would you guys do here? I purchased a black retail installer but there's no disk utility disk. Just use Apple's Disk Utility. As Bill points out in his reply - it's available on the OS DVD, so you can use it to repair your boot volume. Or you can boot on your external clone/backup and run it from there. Disk Utility handles most problems quite well. If it can't, then you can purchase DiskWarrior or Data Rescue ... but really, at that point, the only time you'd be reaching for those particular utilities is if you totally failed to make backups. (hint hint) :) - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Major Airport issues
On Dec 13, 2008, at 10:54 AM, Chris N wrote: Thanks for the addresses - is there a search domain with that? I tried those and everything seems to start off being ok (i.e. for half a page), NEW INFORMATION but then slows down NEW Information. and the connection is lost again. Not being a 'Network GURU', my thoughts may be way off base BUT I would start looking for the cause of the 'slow down'. Keep note of times when the 'slow down' starts to occur, and check the logs for strange happenings. Run with 'Activity Monitor' working and watch things there. The 'Network problems' may just be the most noticeable byproduct if something else going on. Chuck D. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Alternatives to iTunes
At 9:53 AM -0500 12/13/2008, Tony Gamble wrote: On 13-Dec-08, at 4:48 AM, Brian Durant wrote: Songbird is unfortunately only for Intel Macs Actually, it turns out there is a PPC port available here: http://wiki.songbirdnest.com/Developer/Articles/Builds/Contributed_Builds Interesting. Starting to play with this now! :) - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iTunes and duplicating songs
At 2:13 PM -0500 12/12/2008, Dan wrote: Some of my mp3 tracks are quite old; their volume levels are low etc. And I'm using a better set of speakers... Got tired of bumping the volume level of the speakers for one song, just to have the next blast my ears. Found a Sound Check setting in Preferences. Checked it. ack! iTunes quietly started sucking up 80% of my CPU, *even when not playing anything*! I finally figured out it was going thru each and every track, figuring out what sound levels to use. It took half an hour for it go thru my 800+ tracks. :\ ARG! Apparently, iTunes didn't just go thru my tracks - it modified EVERY FREAKING ONE! My incremental backups took 4+ hours last night, instead of 40 mins! - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Alternatives to iTunes
(Yes, Bruce, I know. But I just couldn't resist). At 6:12 PM -0600 12/12/2008, Ralph wrote: On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 13:50 -0500, Dan wrote: In the thread iTunes and duplicating songs, on 12/3/2008, Ralph wrote: [...] I have no interest in iTunes. It just does not work well enough to merit use. So what don't you like about iTunes? iTunes has a bad license. I think I'll leave good vs bad args for elsewhen. I'm looking for on-point tech info here. One of the worst aspects to me is how Apple just removes capability from iTunes and and there is no recourse. Specifics? iTunes also poorly supports the format of most of my audio collection and that is what I mean about it not working well. I use ogg vorbis for most files. I tested a couple of plugins that added ogg support, but I did not think they worked well. iTunes seems to play my ogg albums quite well, using Xiph QuickTime decoders 0.1.8. What exactly do you mean by poorly supports the format? What app(s) are you using instead? I have tried several audio programs, and none seem very close to ideal. What do you consider ideal? I am writing my own program and I'll probably move to that in 2009. My program is more than a simple player, but that is one niche it will fill. Looking forward to seeing a beta, I guess. Most often now a days, I find myself using vlc. hum. Never occurred to me to use VLC as an audio player. Isn't that about as feature-full as using Finder and QuickTime Player? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Major Airport issues - resolved
Thanks to all who offered possible solutions to my airport problem. Switching to no encryption did solve the problem, but that was not a long term solution. From an Apple discussion board I was advised to switch to WPA, as WEP encryption does not play nicely with updated airport software, so now my security is WPA2-Personal. This has resolved, at least for now, all of my issues including both internet access from ALL machines and the ability to stream iTunes video across a network, something I have been trying to get to work sicne it broke maybe 8 months ago. Thanks Chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Yosemite video card slot _ gone?
On Dec 13, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Beniamino Cenci Goga wrote: I recently bought off eBay a 350 MhZ rev. 2 Yosemite for parts. I repaired it (case with epoxidic glue, new PSU - a modified PC ATX, processor, etc...) just to realize that the video card only works if inserted in one of the three 33 MHz PCI slots, but not in the 66 MHz, which indeed is the specific one for the video card. Not big deal, mere speculation. Any hints? Which video card is it? According to Mactracker, for the Yosemite, I believe the slot 1, although 66MHz, is still a PCI slot versus an AGP one. Only a 66MHz PCI video card would work in that one (PCI and 66 being limiting factors)? not a 33MHz video card? Just asking / thinking out loud. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Major Airport issues - resolved
On Dec 13, 2008, at 3:30 PM, Chris N wrote: Thanks to all who offered possible solutions to my airport problem. Switching to no encryption did solve the problem, but that was not a long term solution. From an Apple discussion board I was advised to switch to WPA, as WEP encryption does not play nicely with updated airport software, so now my security is WPA2- Personal. This has resolved, at least for now, all of my issues including both internet access from ALL machines and the ability to stream iTunes video across a network, something I have been trying to get to work sicne it broke maybe 8 months ago. Thanks Chris Hooray! I'm going to RE-try my wireless device without encryption later ... Thanks for your persistence! Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Yosemite video card slot _ gone?
On Dec 13, 2008, at 3:32 PM, insightinmind wrote: On Dec 13, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Beniamino Cenci Goga wrote: I recently bought off eBay a 350 MhZ rev. 2 Yosemite for parts. I repaired it (case with epoxidic glue, new PSU - a modified PC ATX, processor, etc...) just to realize that the video card only works if inserted in one of the three 33 MHz PCI slots, but not in the 66 MHz, which indeed is the specific one for the video card. Not big deal, mere speculation. Any hints? Meant to add ... did you blow the dust out of the slot in question? I use a shop vacuum in reverse (warning) ... but most people suggest compressed air can made for the task ... That seems to help sometimes. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Yosemite video card slot _ gone?
Which video card is it? According to Mactracker, for the Yosemite, I believe the slot 1, although 66MHz, is still a PCI slot versus an AGP one. Only a 66MHz PCI video card would work in that one (PCI and 66 being limiting factors)? not a 33MHz video card? Just asking / thinking out loud. Bill Connelly I guess it is the card that came with the unit (I recall reading something like 128 and I quickly, probably too quickly, concluded it was the standard ATI Rage 128): will check tomorrow and let you know. The Mac is in the basement and right now I am watching a movie at home with my kids whilst trying to answer to some emails) Ben --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Yosemite video card slot _ gone?
According to the service manual, the video card always goes in PCI Slot 1, which is the short slot. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Yosemite video card slot _ gone?
On Dec 13, 2008, at 10:42 PM, Paul wrote: According to the service manual, the video card always goes in PCI Slot 1, which is the short slot. this afternoon I tried a known good voodoo 3dfx 3000, same thing: no video out if inserted in slot 1, ok if in one of the other 3. If cleaning the contacts does not solve the problem, chances the slot has gone? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Yosemite video card slot _ gone?
On Dec 13, 2008, at 10:42 PM, Paul wrote: According to the service manual, the video card always goes in PCI Slot 1, which is the short slot. this afternoon I tried a known good voodoo 3dfx 3000, same thing: no video out if inserted in slot 1, ok if in one of the other 3. If cleaning the contacts does not solve the problem, chances the slot has gone? I might guess yes. Maybe someone else will respond with a different clue ... Hope the movie was a good one ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mac book vs PC?
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:43 PM, HDGoose ildonpepp...@yahoo.com wrote: Greetings: The Mac may not be entirely trouble free ( is any thing?) But the Mac will save you time and and leave you smiling and confident at the end of the day. Especially so, if you are not tempted to put Windows on it as so many are doing these days. For the Mac the Friendly Mac spirit still is in place. You will find a lot of easy to understand instructions and once you get used to what things are called and the Mac ways you will be happy for the switch. The best part is that for any problem you will have the Low End Mac lists to ask for help. A resource that PC users can't even dream about.. Welcome! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Problem after reassembling a Pismo; er, two Pismos...
I have two Pismos sitting around here, one with 512 MB and one with 128. I wanted to move 256 MB from one to the other in order to be able to install OS 10.4 on it. When I finished putting them both back together, neither one would start up at all. Is there anything relatively simple that could have caused this that I could fix? I tried reseating the CPU card in one of them and pressing the reset button, but it still won't start. I followed the procedures in the service manual, so I though I was safe, making sure that both bays were empty before starting, and unplugging the PRAM battery. I wonder if I should just try putting back the memory the way it was. I move CPU's and memory around fairly often in desktop Macs and PC's, and I don't think I've ever had anything go this wrong. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Yosemite video card slot _ gone?
On Dec 13, 2008, at 8:52 PM, Paul wrote: I'm sorry; I got the original question backwards. (I had thought that you wanted to use another slot besides Slot 1 for video.) I hope this answer is more relevant: according to the service manual, Slot 1 only takes 66 MHz PCI cards. So check your video card, and maybe you'll find that it's only 33 MHz. That's what I was trying to get at earlier ... As an example, I have an ATI Radeon 7000ME that will work in a 66 or 33MHz slot, like in my PowerPC 8500 (33MHz slots) and in my PCI Graphics (Yikes! ... Yosemite's 1st Cousin) ... it will work in either the 33 or 66 slots. I have it in the 66MHz one working fine. What does a 33MHz PCI card do in a 66MHz slot? Not fit? If it does, does it ruin the card? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Major Airport issues - resolved
At 12:30 PM -0800 12/13/2008, Chris N wrote: From an Apple discussion board I was advised to switch to WPA, as WEP encryption does not play nicely with updated airport software, so now my security is WPA2-Personal. Just as well, as WEP has been cracked. Ditto for WPA. Current recommendation is for WPA2. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Disk Utility
On Dec 13, 2008, at 12:13 AM, insightinmind wrote: Disk Utility app is on the Install Disk. After restarting from the Install DVD, go past the Language Window, and in lieu of Installing, go up to the Menu bar and find Disk Utility in one of the drop down menus ... can't remember which one off hand ... but its there among others like Startup Disk ... Thank you! I guess I didn't see it because I installed from another Mac, actually. So when I get the optical drive I'll look again. Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS 10.4.11 mailto:earth...@ptd.net http://www.downtoearthweb.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Disk Utility
On Dec 13, 2008, at 10:41 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: On Dec 13, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Dan wrote: Just use Apple's Disk Utility. As Bill points out in his reply - it's available on the OS DVD, so you can use it to repair your boot volume. Or you can boot on your external clone/backup and run it from there. Disk Utility handles most problems quite well. If it can't, then you can purchase DiskWarrior or Data Rescue ... but really, at that point, the only time you'd be reaching for those particular utilities is if you totally failed to make backups. (hint hint) :) Okay ... I always backup my data. But I never made an external clone of everything because I didn't have a bootable drive. Guess I figured if anything went horribly wrong I'd just reinstall the System, put back the data, and voila. I am thinking that's what they are referring to when they write nuke and pave. However, is there a better way and can you point me in direction of a resource I can use to make a clone? Many thanks as always! Anne Keller Smith You can use Super Duper or Carbon Copy Cloner to make bootable copies. HTH Just a message from Doug... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Disk Utility
On Dec 13, 2008, at 10:41 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: Disk Utility handles most problems quite well. If it can't, then you can purchase DiskWarrior or Data Rescue ... but really, at that point, the only time you'd be reaching for those particular utilities is if you totally failed to make backups. (hint hint) :) Okay ... I always backup my data. But I never made an external clone of everything because I didn't have a bootable drive. Guess I figured if anything went horribly wrong I'd just reinstall the System, put back the data, and voila. I am thinking that's what they are referring to when they write nuke and pave. However, is there a better way and can you point me in direction of a resource I can use to make a clone? For backup, I like Carbon Copy Cloner or CCC 3.1.3, under Tiger and / or Leopard, which IMO does it all (along with any of a variety of hard drives, often externally housed). See: http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html Yes ... I recently did a Nuke Pave ... chose to re-Install Leopard from scratch. The Nuke was zeroing the entire partition I had previously installed Leopard upon, and the Pave was using the Leopard Install DVD, and then Software Update to reach (pave my way) back to 10.5.5. I needed to re-install all my other drivers (like the one for my M-Audio 2496 PCI Card, the one for USB-MIDI connectivity for my Yamaha digital keyboard, and the one for my Logitech Wireless KB and Mouse, etc etc etc ... pave, pave, pave). There were Time Machine backups, but they were all tainted with add on apps that messed up my OS X partition ... well, that I added, that messed up the OS X 10.5.5 ... and then there's the latest and greatest in OS development for the Intels ... Having a second machine, a PCI Graphics Yikes! a friend gave me, that I also wanted to backup, running Tiger 10.4.11, I chose to use the new CCC 3.1.3 to create clones of my partitions to a FW Harddrive connected to my other machine, a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz. The QS is now using Time Machine to back itself up, and my Yikes! uses CCC over my home network. Now if something goes wrong, I can boot from the clone, and/or CCC it back ... something going wrong meaning a hardware failure, not an OS X failure. I might also switch to CCC for the QS if I stop liking the eye candy nature of Time Machine. Just some thoughts to ponder ... or not ... Best wishes, Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Network Camera Report
I thought I'd report on a new acquisition of mine, a Linksys WVC54GCA network camera. I bought it from NewEgg.com for $82.49. Linksys is a company known for it's disinterest in the Mac Market. From what I know few of their products provide software or support for Macs. But this camera for the most part works with a Mac pretty well. The included software is Windows only but it isn't required for setup or operation. The first problem I had was finding the device on the network. The manual shows how to set it up using a web browser (I used Safari). But the default address for the camera that it gave was wrong, the right address is 192.168.1.115. I had some problem setting up the WiFi, but I think it may have just been that I didn't give it enough time to restart. The max video resolution is 640x480 @ 30 fps. The video quality is quite good. It doesn't work well in very low light, aka night. I have it looking out on my street and can see almost nothing besides lights. You can use either a web browser or QuickTime to see the video. If you are using a NAT router (as in most home routers) you can set it up to view video from anywhere on the Internet. You can optionally password protect video access. I was able to so view my camera image today using Internet access via cell phone. The view (my street) is rather still so I couldn't gauge it's responsiveness. There are two functions which are not available to Mac users. The camera has a microphone but the sound does not come through when using a Mac. You need Active X (Windows only) to set up the motion detection function. VLC (Video LAN Client) can display and/or record the video stream. I am in the process of looking into other recording software that's available. PROS: Good video quality given adequate lighting. Inexpensive Can be set up without using Windows CONS: Can't see in the dark. Sound and motion detection setup don't work on a Mac. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Disk Utility
At 10:41 PM -0500 12/13/2008, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: On Dec 13, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Dan wrote: the only time you'd be reaching for those particular utilities is if you totally failed to make backups. (hint hint) :) I always backup my data. But I never made an external clone of everything because I didn't have a bootable drive. Guess I figured if anything went horribly wrong I'd just reinstall the System, put back the data, and voila. I am thinking that's what they are referring to when they write nuke and pave. Your method is just fine. Many of us like to use an external clone because it makes other things so much easier. If something is foo on your system, a quick reboot onto the clone can tell you a lot. Faster to reboot onto the clone for the purposes of repairing the internal, too (avoid that agonizing long wait while the DVD boots). Nuke and Pave is faster too - since the clone is already your whole system. However, is there a better way and can you point me in direction of a resource I can use to make a clone? Tis Xmas Season! External HDs are often on sale. Depending on the quality and the plethora of interfaces... you can do anything from 500 GB to 1 TB for $99. Then just use SuperDuper or CarbonCopyCloner to make the backup. Partition the external a bit. Make at least one that matches the size of each of your internal drives - that way you can back 'em each up. The extra volume is great of other storage. We've had several threads about backups and SuperDuper and CarbonCopyCloner (CCC) over the past year. Take a look at 'em. Good info there. HTH, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Problem after reassembling a Pismo; er, two Pismos...
Well, I was just informed by email - in an extremely friendly and helpful way - that there's another group to discuss G3-5 laptops. I dislike the Balkanization, but that's life... So if anyone had something to add to this discussion, they'd better get themselves down to the laptop group, or risk getting their wrists smacked by a well-aimed ruler. I'll be going there myself in a few moments. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
