Re: SATA Internal HD for G5
Also look at OWC: http://www.macsales.com/ They have SATA and IDE/ATA drives of more modest capacities for older machines. Their phone sales staff provide excellent service. Al Poulin On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 8:17:20 PM UTC-4, Ken Daggett wrote: I am looking to buy one or two new HDs for a newly acquired G5 DP 2GHz machine. Any druthers between Seagate and Western Digital? (Or any other brand, for that matter.) Ken -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Failure to Import Mail
On Aug 17, 1:12 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: What Dan says: you can import mail going forwards, but not backwards...fundamentally you're trying to make POP do the job that IMAP was invented for. Thanks Bruce and Dan for the insight into what Apple did to Mail, essentially making it impossible to import from newer to older versions of its own software, but ironically taking care of switchers, eh? Anyway, my wife and I will stick with POP. In our joint account, I don't want her erasing what I want to archive, nor to I want to erase hers. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Failure to Import Mail
Using POP mail works well for the way my wife and I share an e-mail account on separate Macs at home. I am using Apple Mail in OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard on an iMac 2.66 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo. In preparing for a vacation trip, I attempted to move my e-mail holdings from the iMac to an iBook G4 1.33 GHz (2005) running the latest version of OS X 10.5 Leopard. With an Ethernet connection, the methods that I attempted failed, including Import at the iBook from Apple Mail, Import at the iBook from Files in mbox format, and simply copying the Mail folder from the iMac's user Library. Is there a way to do this? Something like ChronoSync perhaps? Thanks, Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fwd: OT - How do you get a TextEdit file with half inch margins?
On Jul 10, 6:44 pm, Brian Christmas ozsa...@gmail.com wrote: How do you get a TextEdit file with half inch margins? I have tried everything and did get a 1 inch margin, but no half inch, can you help or send an attachment (off list) of your work file. G'day Jonas Open up TextEdit preferences, and set the Window Size to about 96 characters. Open a new document. Adjust character count to suit. Regards Brian: I like this. To adjust character count in new document and make it stick, how do you do it? I tried moving the right side of the new document window, but I'd have to make a new adjustment for each different font style and size. Thanks, Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: News: half a million Macs now infected with malware?
On Apr 11, 7:54 am, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: I've heard of zero people that have tested positive for this malware. Security company sales benefit from scare tactics and over-estimation. It does NOT affect any PPC Macs because this malware code is Intel-only. G3-5 list is for PPC Macs, so let's call this thread closed. Hmmm, there is this copied from the imaclist: http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist/browse_thread/thread/cc58696fb15c3de4 Dan dantear...@gmail.com Apr 11 04:25PM -0400 At 12:56 PM -0700 4/11/2012, Bruce Johnson wrote: unclear is whether the Java exploit being used is present in older versions of Java or not. If they are, the targeting PPC macs is relatively simple for the bad guys. If not then PPC macs are ok. The vulnerability *IS* present in older versions of Java. http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2012/04/poisoned-coffee.html By not releasing Java updates for Leopard and older, Apple has screwed both ppc and x86 users. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: News: half a million Macs now infected with malware?
On Apr 8, 6:49 pm, Anne Keller-Smith earth...@ptd.net wrote: so i'm running 10.5.8, that's leopard, does that mean i don't have the new java that accepts flashback? Anne: Not necessarily. It is possible that the original Java Runtime (distinct from Javascript) in Leopard was upgraded to Java SE6 and then upgraded to the vulnerable version 1.6.0_29. Since Apple at: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5228?viewlocale=en_USlocale=en_US says: Impact: Multiple vulnerabilities in Java 1.6.0_29 I think we are safe to assume that the vulnerability does not apply to older versions of Java. To check, use Java Preferences, an application in the Utilities Folder within the Applications Folder. Java Preferences gives information about the version installed. In Leopard, Java Preferences lists the installed Java Runtime by name. If it gives J2SE, the newer, vulnerable version is not present. If it gives Java SE6 it is possible that it has the vulnerable version installed. In Snow Leopard and Lion, the window will specify Java SE6 plus the version number, letting you know whether you have the vulnerable version. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How to make external drive bootable
My external drive with five partitions is formated APM. My CCC backups boot my g4 iBook with Leopard 10.5.8 plus two Intel iMacs and one Macbook, all with with Snow Leopard 10.6.8. I got all the help I needed several years ago on these lowendmac e- lists. At the time, Apple tech support pages contradicted each other on this issue. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How to make external drive bootable
On Mar 19, 12:53 pm, Jonas Lopez jonaslo...@yahoo.com wrote: === I have tried everything to get it to boot 10.5 on G4 and MacBook(Intel) nothing works. Here is the info on the drive: USB: Portable: Capacity: 465.76 GB Removable Media: Yes Detachable Drive: Yes BSD Name: disk2 Version: 1.30 Bus Power (mA): 500 Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec Manufacturer: Seagate OS9 Drivers: No Product ID: 0x2300 Serial Number: 2GH23S8C S.M.A.R.T. status: Not Supported Vendor ID: 0x0bc2 Volumes: XHD-1 500Mb: Capacity: 465.64 GB Available: 430.56 GB Writable: Yes File System: Journaled HFS+ BSD Name: disk2s3 Mount Point: /Volumes/XHD-1 500Mb DID Restore of 10.5 and nothing would load on G4 or MacBook(Intel). Could this xhd just not be bootable? I vaguely recall hearing that in the olden days, Macs would not boot from USB drives. Today, Intel Macs can boot from USB. Earlier today, when I verified booting my G4 iBook from the CCC backup on my APM external hard drive, I connected via FireWire 400. Using USB now, no joy. The backup volume shows on the iBook's Desktop, but it does not show in Start Disk. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: POLITICAL STATEMENT?
On Nov 24, 4:32 am, W.Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: Do LEM rules count for anything any more? How ironic! Protesting here and further comment are, themselves, breaking LEM rules -- just as I am breaking the rules by posting this note. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: daisy-chaining back up drive?
On Oct 10, 4:39 am, Bruce Ryan bruce.r...@mac.com wrote: Just curious - how does a TimeCapsule (or other drive used for TimeMachine) work? TCs aren't partitioned, and and it's quite possible for two or more macs to want to back up to them at the same time. I guess that part of the answer is that each mac has its own sparsebundle, so should only ever be accessing this single file that's specific to it. That would keep lumps of data 'protected' but what keeps the entire filesystem safe? Not exactly answering the question. I've been using Time Capsule with four Macs over ethernet or WiFi for more than two years. No problems whatever with file integrity. BTW, for CCC to my other external drive, I take Dan's advice and keep it off line except for the backup operations themselves. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling upgraded Macs
On Jun 17, 11:33 am, Austin Leeds firepowerforfree...@gmail.com wrote: Now, maybe I'm missing something. Maybe it's not this simple. But if you add up the numbers and aren't looking to turn a huge profit (which I'm not), it might be a cool way to earn cash on the side. Obviously, I'm going to cautiously test the waters with a clamshell or something. I'll be sure to report back what happens. Austin Leeds Sent from my iBook Clamshell Austin: I can see that you are determined to try this out. My reaction to this whole discussion, strengthened by your last two paragraphs, is that your endeavor is fine if you take it up as a hobby; I mean a pleasurable pass-time. But considering the value of your time, you can most likely make more money per hour in a work- study program on campus, tutoring, working as a store clerk off campus, or working in a restaurant. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: help in SW ohio?
On May 26, 2:19 am, ah...clem boneheads...@gmail.com wrote: probably a long-shot, but here goes . . . my 60-something brother-in-law just switched from windows PC user to his first Mac, a QS933 running 10.5.6, and i'm asking if there is anyone in the springfield, OH area (drexel st) who would be willing to go over and spend an hour or so (i guess?) showing him how to navigate the OS and the apps, install a printer, set up Thunderbird for his email client, and maybe some basic shortcuts that will help him appreciate the MacOS. Try finding a Mac user group in the area via the Apple web site. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
That kristina Thing
What's that kristina movie ticket thing on a couple other LEM lists? SPAM? How does that get by the security filters? Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Target mode problem
On Mar 6, 9:03 pm, MichaelP papa...@peak.org wrote: With an OS10.4.11 system refuses to enter Target mode on aG4 mirrored - PowerMac 3.6 - whether through the T-key or through the prompt on the Startup Disk window and, instead , the machine turnsitself off. I'm not sure I understand which machine is the target, and I am not sure I can help. But have your tried making your current host the target instead? I had a similar problem years ago. Look here: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/browse_thread/thread/922a1464c99627d1 or search on Target Disk Mode Major Hicup. I never pursued the drive swap or master-slave solutions suggested by Bruce and Donald, because in a one-time transfer of files, I got what I wanted done by making the target mode go the opposite way. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Should I put Leopard 5.0 om G4 flat screen iMac?
On Mar 2, 11:20 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Mar 2, 2011, at 10:13 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote: Can this Mac handle 10.5 without a lot of slowdown? The slowdown averages about 15% or so, you can check out the Xbench or Geekbench archives for exact numbers for your specific Mac: The 15% slowdown may be significant if one wants to work with processor intensive applications. Then again one may want to play processor or graphics intensive games. A slowdown may not really matter. By today's expectations, the iMac would be slow whether with 10.4 or 10.5. Aside from a slowdown, it may be more significant to consider how the teenager will use the machine and what applications one gains by using 10.5 which cannot be used on 10.4. One of the many advantages of 10.5 is its Time Machine for backing up the work and data. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Posting Problem
On Feb 23, 9:21 am, Don Wakefield dtp...@yahoo.com wrote: My question is either: does anybody have a suggestion as to what might be taking place? or can anybody advise me of how to direct my troubles to the appropriate list mom of record? Yes, send an email directly to Dan Knight. At the netiquette link at the bottom of this list's digest, http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml I see the signature as Dan Knight, list mom. Below that is a contact button where one finds the various methods of sending e-mail to Dan Knight. This includes a link for Email lists. Hit that, and you have a blank template addressed to him. Dan Knight lowend...@gmail.com By the way, I am sending an email to him calling his attention to this thread. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Would you trust this ebay seller?
On Feb 19, 2:36 pm, iJohn zjboyguard-ggro...@yahoo.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Al Poulin alfred.pou...@gmail.com wrote: If you are willing to spend $286, look here for a used Mac mini G4/1.25GHz for $199.99, plus shipping, but no disks included. The e-mail bulletin said 10.5 Leopard is pre-installed. Oh, oh, forgot the link: http://www.smalldog.com/product/77343 OK, but ... When I followed your link the price I saw at Small Dog was $299.99, not $199.99. I see, sorry. There is another link that shows up from their e-mail bulletin for the discount price, maybe only for former customers: http://www.smalldog.com/wag20569/at_dr I do not know how I landed on this variant - product/77343 instead of the discount page wag20569/at_dr. Expires in two days. And I agree with what Dan said, the Leopard seems pirated. I've seen other third party vendors do that with used Macs. Is there some back door deal with Apple for a license?? SmallDog is Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Would you trust this ebay seller?
On Feb 18, 10:45 am, bhossfield bhossfi...@bellsouth.net wrote: I am looking at this item on ebay:http://cgi.ebay.com/SONNET-ENCORE-ST-G4-DUET-1-8G-MAC-UPGRADE-CPU-PRO... It's a private auction, seller based in China who claims to have 100% positive feedback. If you were actually willing to spend $266 + $20 shipping on one of these things, would you have reservations about this seller? Does anybody out there have experience with this seller and could put my mind at ease? If you are willing to spend $286, look here for a used Mac mini G4/1.25GHz for $199.99, plus shipping, but no disks included. The e- mail bulletin said 10.5 Leopard is pre-installed. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Would you trust this ebay seller?
On Feb 19, 1:53 pm, Al Poulin alfred.pou...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 18, 10:45 am, bhossfield bhossfi...@bellsouth.net wrote: I am looking at this item on ebay:http://cgi.ebay.com/SONNET-ENCORE-ST-G4-DUET-1-8G-MAC-UPGRADE-CPU-PRO... It's a private auction, seller based in China who claims to have 100% positive feedback. If you were actually willing to spend $266 + $20 shipping on one of these things, would you have reservations about this seller? Does anybody out there have experience with this seller and could put my mind at ease? If you are willing to spend $286, look here for a used Mac mini G4/1.25GHz for $199.99, plus shipping, but no disks included. The e- mail bulletin said 10.5 Leopard is pre-installed. Al Poulin Oh, oh, forgot the link: http://www.smalldog.com/product/77343 By the way, my only affiliation with Small Dog is to be an occasional customer. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The -122 Error
On Feb 10, 4:16 pm, John Martz zjo...@yahoo.com wrote: I believe that humans are wired to try to find correlations. It's not just the way our minds may be predisposed to work, I think it is also how we feel about the way the world should work. When we have an effect we look for a cause not only intellectually, but emotionally as well. We have a longing, a desire for an explanation. So if we change something and the effect which was vexing us appears to have gone away then I think most of us are quite eager to view that change as causal, regardless of whether it was or was not. I offer this as a possible rationalization for what you saw when you dug deeper into this. In my experience, this tendency can make trying to find a solution very frustrating. Folks seem to always be ready to claim that just giving their problem a good whack with whatever hammer they happen to have had at hand is what sorted things. (It sure would be nice if Google could come up with a search filter to weed out those posts. ;-) -irrational john Here is an opposite take on claiming fixes. In the mid-1970s, I became involved in a system that had just come online with what was already an antiquated architecture: CDC 6400 computers running SDC's TDMS for the database, with dumb terminals and other peripherals wired to controllers, in use for mission-critical, real time data receipt, processing, and human analysis and reporting. On several occasions, when the system broke down for mysterious reasons, and while running in degraded mode on the smaller of the two CPUs, the hardware people, applications programmers, and systems programmers would all spend hours finding problems and fixing them until the system returned to normal operations. At the end, I could find no one to take credit for detecting the root cause of the breakdown and fixing it. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Moving Stuff to a New (to me) Machine
On Jan 14, 10:16 pm, James Therrault jetas...@netzero.com wrote: I'm finally making the move into the modern age and am asking for suggestions as to 2.5 external enclosures to copy the contents of my current machine, (G4 Gigabit), to a 500GB SATA drive. I eventually will use the 500GB as the boot drive in the new machine, late '09 Mac Mini. Start by looking at OWC, and then compare the offerings of other vendors. Consider which interfaces you would use now and possibly later with newer machines. http://www.macsales.com/ Their telephone representatives are very helpful too. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Carbon Copy Cloner?
On Dec 31 2010, 6:16 pm, John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.com wrote: Hello Dan, Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth, Have followed your suggestions and have managed to save and not duplicate, but will need more exploration to fully implement all the features of CCC. For this rather broad objective, to fully implement, your review of the CCC Help file and FAQ on line can give you all you need to know in less than an hour. You can also download the file for casual reference. But, if you have no need to add complexity with things like networks or disk imaging, you will likely find that you need to do no more than what you have already done. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New internal hard drive for Power Mac G4
On Dec 26, 7:26 pm, Sean Carroll cedarwaxw...@att.net wrote: Open the PowerMac and stick your ear in there, to verify that the sounds are coming from the drives. I did and I have - I have just distrusted my ears (being a musician teaches you to, ironically). I am as satisfied as I can be that the noise is from the drives. It occurs to me a little belatedly that a test that would absolutely determine whether it was the hard drives would be to disconnect the power from them and start up. Unless that's a no-no for some reason. The only possible source of noise in this situation would be the fan, yes? An optical drive is silent unless it's reading something, no? I would try a stethoscope, or a low tech 11 inch cardboard core from your last roll of paper towels, or make yourself an ear trumpet from paper. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Restoring mail in the mailboxes
On Dec 17, 12:43 am, Tom tba...@nmia.com wrote: Which means I have to take each full mailbox out of the Imports folder and replace the empty one with it, and there are so many mailboxes that it's going to be a lot of work. If this should happen again, what would be the correct way to get all the e-mails back into the original mailboxes, instead of creating a whole new set of mailboxes inside of a new Import mailbox? I've done it the manual way myself, and I doubt there is a better way. Maybe you could set up something with AppleScript or Automator, but in my case, it's easier to just move the boxes manually. You might try posting to the Apple Support forum for the OS X version that you are running: http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Nanny note Re: 2 Questions
On Dec 5, 2:12 am, ah...clem boneheads...@gmail.com wrote: ya know, rules are made by people, so that the rules can serve us. not so we can serve them. and when they are broken, then they need to be fixed. not saluted. clearly the spirit of the rule is not only to save bandwidth (which is today, on google, a moot point), but to keep irrelevant, repetitive, and annoying garbage out of the threads. Moot point? Not entirely. Let's all respect those of us who receive list content in e-mail, not only in feed mode, but also in digest mode. Bandwidth has to do with my eyes rapidly scanning text for relevant information. Bandwidth impacts those of us on dial-up service. Bandwidth has an impact in some countries where service is charged to the end receiver by connection time. And yes, the netiquette calls for a reasonable, specified limit on the size of the signature, obviously somewhat exceeded here. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help! External HD vanished from desktop
One possible trick to retrieve data, place unit in freezer overnight and try again. Also, look at this thread in the leopardlist: http://groups.google.com/group/leopardlist/browse_thread/thread/38989eeb976f41fa Disk Warrior or Drive Genius? Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OpenOffice vs Oracle
On Nov 23, 2:22 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: I expect that if OpenOffice is useful or profitable for Oracle, they'll continue to develop and market it. I welcome any competition for Microsoft. It will be the Safe, Bean counter-approved version with per-seat licensing and service contracts and the official stamp of Corporate Approval. LibreOffice will be the choice of the Holy OSS Faithful. Maybe we'll even get some more competition as the forks diverge. So where would that leave NeoOffice for individual users? Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How should a family of five share one computer?
On Nov 22, 10:42 pm, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: And set a firmware password. Tina Setting a firmware password introduces some admin complexity. A Google search shows that people can have problems doing it correctly. Here is Apple's article on how to proceed. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1352 With Time Machine and Parental Controls, it may not be necessary to do this, at least until the kids prove that you must do it. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac OS X Lion Is a Must-Have: 10 Reasons Why
On Oct 31, 10:15 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: It is quite common for publishers to provide mechanisms to let you make ONE OFF copies of an article for PERSONAL use. Doing so does not magically make their copyright protections vanish. ... Think about that. Are you saying that because a book is available in a Public Library that it's suddenly ok to steal the book from another source? In this case, the article was ***REPUBLISHED*** *IN FULL* BY THE POSTER to thousands of people. Beyond the copyright violation, there is a sleeze factor here. It was filched from a commercial web site, that depends on advertising dollars to survive. Mass-republishing without the ads has ripped them off AND potentially made LEM liable. http://www.ziffdavisenterprise.com/TermsofService.asp In particular, see sections 2.2 and 2.3. you may not modify, publish, transmit, (etc)_ My bad, Dan is correct. Giving the reference URL and title of the item is the legal and acceptable method. Also, it reduces bandwidth on the list. There remains one question that begs resolution. I download an article as legally authorized. I cannot legally store it electronically. But, immediately and before I can delete it, Time Machine puts it away. Worse yet, innocent and clueless folks in major corporations download the same article, and it ends up stored in corporate servers. I do not think that the written law has caught up with such ramifications of evolving technology. So how does the written law get interpreted today? Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Where is Flash 10.1
On Oct 20, 7:22 pm, Cliff Rediger redicl...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm running 10.4.11 on G4 Mini Every time Firefox updates it tells me I must update Flash Player NOW. So I download and install Flash Player 10.1 but where does it go? It lives in your Macintosh HDLibraryInternet Plug-Ins. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 64-bit question
On Oct 16, 12:29 am, Joshua Juran jju...@gmail.com wrote: What do you mean by 64-bit? If there's nothing specific that you're trying to accomplish, and you're just curious... then sure, Leopard is 64-bit, according to Apple's marketing at the time. :-) Meaning that Leopard had some modules working 64-bit, maybe 20% or so. Snow Leopard has more modules working 64-bit, maybe 80% or so. But when do we get to 100% in OS X, maybe next week on Wednesday, we'll know. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: My Quicksilver
On Oct 9, 1:56 am, Stephen Conrad khel...@gmail.com wrote: OK, we know the HD is dying and the Ethernet port is flakey HOWEVER, will any ethernet card I buy at Walmart work in this thing? I would be more confident with a USB to Ethernet adaptor. Check the user reviews with various machines: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB442Z/A Also, am getting an HD (2 if they are cheap) and was wondering if CCC (Carbon Copy Cloner) would be OK to make me a new HD Yes. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac OS X: Why your Mac might not sleep or stay in sleep mode
On Oct 3, 1:14 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: A recently updated tech article from Apple: Mac OS X: Why your Mac might not sleep or stay in sleep mode http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1776 That's a big help, Dan, thanks. That page refers to this one for OS X 10.6 Leopard: Mac OS X 10.6 Help: If your Mac computer won’t go to sleep or stay in sleep http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.6/en/9040.html Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Odd Posting issue
On Sep 2, 7:31 pm, Ashgrove salum...@gmail.com wrote: I have found that the only foolproof solution against this kind of problem is to choose the No email option and read all posts online. That's what I do, and it saves me time and aggravation. My mailbox(es) and my time are unmanageable enough as it is. Felix On the other hand, my compromise works well for me. I receive all posts in digest form, usually no more than one per day. I store them all in folders dedicated to specific groups where the content very quickly is available in Spotight. I cannot count the number of times that using Spotlight has let me avoid repeating queries that have already been asked. If I choose, I read the latest traffic of a thread online prior to getting the next night's digest. Once in a while, a posting to a lightly used group arrives in a group digest several days late. To post replies, I usually go online. Replies from the digest require replacing the noreply text in the To line. Generating a new thread in Mail is simple with just a letter or two in the To Line to select the complete group address. But there may be a delay of some hours before it appears in the forum. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC image bootable?
On Aug 26, 2:11 pm, john CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:35 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi all I want to know before I take a chance here if a CCC image is bootable I see the option as a read only image so can that image be booted? Also can I restore a volume with it? Well the link above clarified the image boot question but now the remaining question is how can I restore the image? I can't get Disk utility to do it. It keeps saying there's a problem. With helper file. John: Taking your original post and your second question at face value, NO, a CCC disk image is not bootable, but YES, you can restore a volume with it and that volume would be bootable. However, this is not the way most people use CCC, which is to not make a disk image but to make a bootable clone directly on an alternate volume. The CCC web site has excellent documentation: http://www.bombich.com/ccc_support.html You can download it for convenient reference. CCC's disk image capability is useful for some folks with unusual needs. At: http://help.bombich.com/faqs/dmg-and-remote/dimages there is this statement: (* Disk images themselves are not bootable, but you can mount them and restore their content to a physical hard drive to produce a bootable, exact replica of the original). Also, you can restore either by using CCC or Disk Utility: http://help.bombich.com/faqs/dmg-and-remote/dmg-restore Hope this meets your desires. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Recommended bootable external Firewire drives for G4 MDD Dual-1Gb
On Aug 12, 11:16 am, Dale Hoffman dh...@margnat.com wrote: putting the drive of my choice in them. I've found Other World Computing to be a great all around source for drive mechanisms and external enclosures. I've bought a dozen or so of these enclosures and have had no problems. http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/MEFW924AL1K/ They require SATA drives, but that's all you can find anymore and they're cheaper than ATA. It supports FW400, FW800, USB2 and eSATA. Comes with connecting cords for each. Other World Computing has been around forever, they give good service and have an extensive online video library with How To guides of all kinds dealing with drive replacement. I like what Dale and Dan both say about the quad interfaces. If you limit yourself to the two interfaces you have with your old Mac, you may need one of the other interfaces for your next Mac. I have one of the macsales/OWC 1TB Mercury Quad boxes with a Hitachi drive. It works like a champ for CCC with iBook FW 400, MacBook USB, and two Intel iMacs, using FW 400, and FW 800. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Repair tiger disk from leopard?
On Aug 4, 4:02 am, Mike Linnett mike.dogho...@googlemail.com wrote: Howdy all, Is it advisable to use leopards disk utility to repair a drive with tiger installed on it, or is that likely to mess things up on the tiger volume? Backstory is that I'm visiting my grandmother who has an iMac g3 running tiger, and I thought I'd run through onyx's maintenance stuff while I'm here and it says to boot from the install disk to repair the hard drive, but I'm sans install disk, but do have my PowerBook with me, which is running leopard. I figured I'd boot the iMac into target disk mode and repair it from the PowerBook, but slightly concerned about the different os versions. On a hunch, I would download the Tiger version of OnyX to the PowerBook and use that to treat the iMac. And I would check to see if there is a difference between OnyX versions for G3/4/5 machines as opposed to Intel machines. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: all them Apple's?
On Aug 4, 12:34 am, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Aug 3, 2010, at 9:31 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: is there a good software application out there that tells me about all the apple's ever produced? Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 Mac Tracker is good and I like EveryMac also. And lowendmac.com Profiles may help. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Combo updating made easy?
On Aug 4, 7:25 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi All Does anyone know of an application that can install all the Java updates with one click? I have the Combo and all the Java stuff including iTunes and QuickTime on one DVD and it would be nice to just drag all those files to an installer if possible. The process is such a drag. I would install the Combo off the DVD. If that works well, I would then use Software Update under the Apple Menu. You may end up running Software Update more than once to get all the latest. Why use the DVD for the smaller items? Would they all be up to date? Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: external hard drive advice
On Jul 27, 2:39 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: video work. My fav box is a La Cie d2 Quadra. It uses a SATA drive internally and the interfaces are USB2, FW400, FW800, and eSATA. Of course, since you're doing video work, you want a drive that's at least 7200rpm. There are 10,000 and faster drives available, but I don't think it makes much sense to have a drive that's faster than the interface (the weakest part of the data pipe). Please note the four interfaces in one box. This gives you the maximum available flexibility for the future. While your present machine may support both USB2 and FireWire 400, your next machine may support USB2 and FireWire 800. And possibly Apple may even support eSATA some day. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dual 1GHz Quicksilver won't sleep!
And for The Insomniac Mac, look here: http://www.macworld.com/article/48345/2005/12/nonightnight.html Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Updater to 10.5.? hangs at 90% of 768 how to find parts?
On May 25, 12:17 pm, Jonas Lopez jonaslo...@yahoo.com wrote: Updater to 10.5.? hangs at 90% of 768 how to find parts? Install of 10.5 went well and updater wants to install 768 taking us to 10.5.? Problem is after dl, i s ok and then install proceeds only to 90% then freezes. Disk is 250Gb and empty. How to find parts of install or is this a known problem defect? Are you using Software Update? Try downloading the Combo Updater for 10.5.8, and install manually. http://support.apple.com/downloads/Mac_OS_X_10_5_8_Combo_Update Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Low End Mac weak on Facebook !
On May 19, 10:46 pm, Charles Lenington macso...@brightok.net wrote: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 4:32 PM, graphics...@columbus.rr.com mailto:graphics...@columbus.rr.com wrote: snip- Of course it is your choice. Dan Knight has something in mind there though. And a looser Mac related meeting place could be fun. well I have over 50,000 unread emails to catchup on now. No way would I have time for more. And and the five LEM lists that I now watch in digest mode serve my purposes must fine. My wife has bit of fun with a few FaceBook family and friends members. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sleep issues
On Mar 30, 12:31 pm, Ricardo Sevilla ae86dr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone. I am having a bit of an issue with my G4 Quicksilver. I recently have noticed that after putting my computer to sleep manually it does so at a rather long pace. However this is not the problem. I have my computer set to automatically go to sleep after 20 min of no use. Once the screen saver comes on the screen is set to sleep and its not too long thereafter that I have it set to sleep the G4. BUT... it has yet to sleep automatically since I can remember. Any advice? For years, my G4 Quicksilver 733 Mhz behaved that way. No screen saver in use, but normal screen sleep was okay, but the two internal hard drives never slept automatically. There was no extra PCI card. I suspected the standard ethernet connection to a hub/router/cable modem, but never bothered to troubleshoot or inquire in this list. I just took the habit of putting it to sleep manually from the Apple menu. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: Quicksilver won't boot into target disk mode
On Mar 30, 9:57 am, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: or along the same line ... maybe the HD is not jumper-ed properly. Guessing here ... Wonder if the drive is set to Master or Slave and it is working alone on a Cable Select cable, but when asked to perform in target disk mode, it fails. I have no experience with the G4 QuickSilver but I know the G4 MDDs like cable select only. Also if you're booting 9 a 180 GB limit is in effect. I once had a Quicksilver 733 Mhz with an extra Seagate internal hard drive. I made the Seagate my main drive because I did not like hearing the constant clatter from the IBM drive when it was busy. Both drives were bootable drives. I can still see a vision of the screen on my iBook coming up with all the three volumes on the original IBM drive in yellow icons. Never did the Seagate main drive show as the target. Maybe this plays into the jumper idea. In October 2006, this list, including Bruce, suggested the reason, but I never bothered to change jumpers. I just used the iBook as the target. See here: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/browse_thread/thread/922a1464c99627d1 Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: Search in Google, from within Mac Mail 3.6
On Mar 27, 3:37 pm, gifutiger gifuti...@gmail.com wrote: Greeting Everyone When in Mac Mail 3.6 if I highlight a word or a phrase and then using the right mouse button from the drop-down menu select Search in Google nothing ever happens. Works here with Mail 4.2, Safari, and TextEdit. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: OT - to UPS or not to UPS
On Mar 28, 1:00 am, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/27/10, Fabian Fang f...@mac.com wrote: wow!!! That sucks, I had no idea. I have a belkin ups and have had no issues whatsoever with it. But now with this news I guess I'll just dispose of it after it/the battery stop working since I'll no longer be able to get repairs/replacements. When that happens, another option may be to check with Batteries Plus, online or local store: http://www.batteriesplus.com/ Your battery may be generic anyway. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: A network partition
On Mar 28, 3:30 pm, Nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: I have Linux, XP and OSX working together in a network. I want to have a partition on an HD that's used to dump files r/w from all OSes. I know that there's no problem between Linux and XP, but with OSX. The entire HD is currently NTFS partitioned. Use Disk Utility on the Mac to partition using FAT32. The drive can be used by both Macs and PCs. Back up anything on the HD you want to bring back. You will see the option for journaling. If you use the external drive only for backup, forget journaling. If you will be using the HD as the primary location for files and be updating them, then it is best to journal. Also, I want to repartition the HD that has the OSX OS. Any ideas on a safe way of doing this? And by that I mean, have you done it and it worked without any problems? Again use Disk Utility for this. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: Search in Google, from within Mac Mail 3.6
On Mar 28, 6:29 pm, gifutiger gifuti...@gmail.com wrote: Up-date, which doesn't meet with any reason. I did a get info and checked the Sharing and Permissions which were system - read/write; admin - read/write; everyone - read only so just for kicks I added myself with with read/write Privileges. Just curious, you did a get info on what? where? Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
Re: Right group for questions about exporting from G4 QS to a Macbook SL
Thank you, thank you, guys for bottom posting. Otherwise this thread would be doubly confusing. Migration Assistant never worked for me in several attempts to move from Panther on my QS 733 to an IBook with Tiger or from the QS to an Intel iMac with Leopard. It worked well from that Intel iMac, upgraded with Snow Leopard, to another one with Snow Leopard. But I ended up with two admin accounts, one from the older iMac, and the one I had already set up on the newer one. On Mar 6, 7:27 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Mar 6, 2010, at 2:37 PM, dorayme wrote: I first began by connecting my MB (on Snow) to my internet network coming out of my G4 (on Tiger). I went to Migrant Assistant on both machines. Yes there were instructions but I got cold feet because of the length of time it said to do the job - need my G4 for work all the time! Truth is I just don't know how all this stuff works! I realised later that I should not tick the apps for transfer, that would save much time. Was going to go offline and try to connect ethernet cable directly between G4 and MB when I had the idea of simply using the FW/USB external backup I always use (on FW) to back up the G4 via SuperDuper. So I grabbed the external HD and connected a USB cable to MB and went to Migrant Assistant. Took less than an hour with Apps not ticked! I unhooked the external HD then and looked at the MB. Good idea here for using the SuperDuper external backup with USB. But you could try using SuperDuper to clone your Users folder to the Macbook. This will not transfer your QS login accounts. Do not copy, but make fresh installs of any applications into the Macbook that you will no longer use on the QS. Frankly, I do not know whether your Apple Mail will work, since there has been a rewrite of Mail software somewhere between Panther and Leopard. The alternative that worked for me several times was this: Drag/copy the contents of my QS Users folder to the Users folder of the new machine. When Mail did not work, dragged the Mail folder from Library onto the Desktop. Launch the Mail application and go to FileImport Mailboxes. This Import may be all you need to fix Mail with a SuperDuper clone. Then install applications. The result? Confusion! At least confusion in me! It stuck most of the transfer from the G4 into a folder. It did something to the MB settings too because when I came to log on again with the MB there were were new login accounts. When I went into the normal prior MB user account, I saw no new expected bookmarks in my Cyberduck, no usual expected mail boxes in Mail. I have got half success by going to individual programs and trying to tell them to import from this or that folder/file (which at least is now on my MB due to the actions of Migrant Assistant). I got more success by tracking down files from the G4 library and simply copying them to replace things on the MB (stuff like Favorites.plist and Queue.plist)! But I was hoping that somehow there would be a more global automatic way of succeeding! f -- dorayme Well this sounds so complicated to me.; I would start all over. I assume you still have the QS intact, I would start with a brand new untouched MacBook Pro and just let Migration Assistant do what it does best. When asked to migrate say yes and tell it where the Mac is and go somewhere Don't try to second guess this stuff unless you know what it all means. After It's done you'll have a system as close as your QS as Snow Leopard will allow. If it's not up to par you haven't lost anything because the QS is still intact :-D Since the OP said Macbook, we know there is no FireWire. If using Migration Assistant on the Users folder works well through a direct Ethernet connection, great.Then install applications. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Transfer addresses
On Feb 3, 7:17 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi All I have been able to transfer my address book between computers via thumb drive using address book backup and restore, But I have a major problem in that when I do this all my addresses move ok but I lose all my Apple Mail addresses, is there some way to prevent this? Also why doesn't someone write a sync app to make tis easy. I don't want a .Mac account. Perhaps you are concerned about the addresses contained in MailWindowPrevious Recipients. I have transferred this list along with my entire Mail holdings between computers several times. You may not care to do this, unless you want to transfer all mail boxes and their contents in one shot. The last time, Migration Assistant worked well. But more to the point, what also worked for me is this. In your home folder, Library, drag or copy the Mail folder from your old computer to the Desktop of the new computer. Then replace the equivalent folder in the new computer. Or you might play with the Import Mailboxes in the File menu, but I do not know if that will bring in the Previous Recipients. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New system, but can you save the old bookmarks and Cookies?
On Jan 25, 8:05 pm, Kasey Smith kasm...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 25, 2010, at 5:49 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote: Nice discussion but not the issue - what I am trying to do is like upgrading a G4 to a G5 or some other change in the Mboard that is questionable and so I do need to manually find the cookies and bookmarks and preserve them, then completley wipe the hd removing the exhisting partitions that were on it. I can not archive and install upgrade or downgrade - so where are these files and what is the likely names of them. Thanks. JML In that case, use Migration Assistant (in /Application/Utilities) You can copy all your files and settings over to the new Mac over firewire this way. \o/ I still do not see what Jonas wants to achieve with clarity. Upgrading the hardware or OS or both? Whatever, he could consider making a bootable clone of his entire working hard drive with Carbon Copy Cloner to an external drive. Make whatever hardware changes he wants to the Mac. Boot the new Mac from the clone to test things out. If happy, erase the Mac's internal drive and clone back to it from the external. Then upgrade the OS with an Archive and Install if moving up to Leopard from Tiger or to Tiger from Panther. If moving up to Snow Leopard, then do the Upgrade, not Erase. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 2, 8:49 pm, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: G5 Jive = 3 internal drives + 2 built in drives = total 5 internal 500gb drives. :-) Jeff This scheme protects nicely against failure of individual hard drives, but, no surge protector or UPS is bullet proof against a direct or near direct lightning strike on the residence. Any electronic component inside the computer or attached to it is vulnerable. It would be better to put one or more of the internal drives into external enclosures and to connect them ONLY when actually in the backup process. And better yet is to place a copy of essential data outside the residence. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dan's suggestion on backing up-Time Machine Query
On Jan 1, 3:25 pm, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: My backup scenario is as follows: Powermac G5 2.3 dual, 5gb ram w/Seritek1V4 G5 Jive and Leopard. Main boot drive in the 'built-in drive bay (A) 500gb Misc. storage in built-in drive bay (B) 500gb Boot drive clone in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) Time machine volume in G5 Jive 500gb (seperate drive) Misc. storage clone in G5 Jive 500gb (Seperate drive) I know there are downsides to this setup, but can't really think of any at the moment. Jeff Three separate external drives? Excellent! One downside here -- I do not detect off-site storage. What if your residence catches fire? Tornado comes through? Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 problems
On Dec 9, 2:06 pm, Gorka L Martinez Mezo g...@gmx.net wrote: The problem is the machine wasn`t booting at all! The machine boot stops after a couple seconds and then shuts down. I can give it a try, of course. My personal feeling here is this. Working with all the excellent advice you have in this thread is futile until you replace that 12 year old PRAM battery. Replace the battery. Someone mentioned the classic date problem with old batteries, but those classic problems are not always the only ones. A failed battery can account for what looks like a dead machine. Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iPhoto home movies disappear using CCC
On Nov 14, 7:25 pm, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: I've been trusting in CCC for 2-3 years and now I'm heart sick to find that some of my home movies have gone bye-bye. The movies look to be there, but when you double click them to watch them, there is no time duration all you get is 0:00 and all that's left is a photo representation of the movie that used to be there. I've been backing up to other drives for a long time as my iphoto library is very large and had no reason till now to believe that anything was amiss. I hope time machine is better :-( Jeff I cannot hope to help solve this problem, but for the sake of providing more information, I'd like to pose a few questions where your answers may help Dan and others understand your situation. How have you excluded other possible causes? When did you last make a successful retrieval from the backups? Have you moved iPhoto contents from one media to another since then? Have you upgraded the OS since then?, updated iPhoto since then? I have the vague impression that some folks have lost the connection to their photos for several reasons not related to CCC. What settings have you been using in CCC? Has Time Machine been better? Al Poulin -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Attempting to send ClarisWorks spreadsheet via email
On Oct 28, 9:46 am, Brian Christmas b...@tpg.com.au wrote: The first thing that comes to mind is that both of you have different versions of Clarisworks, and you might need to save the spreadsheet in an older format. Like Brian said. The second thing is are you sure the other party hasn't got Appleworks, which is what ClarisWorks became before it was terminated. I don't know if Appleworks can open old ClarisWorks files. AppleWorks can open some ClarisWorks files. Not CW 3 and older. They need to be converted by a later version of CW or a utility. This may also be true of CW 4 files. But CW 5 files should open just fine. FWIW my old Appleworks 6 still works fine under Snow Leopard; if you want a copy, email me. One can upgrade CW to latest AW with online downloads from Apple. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PPC Geneaology software - what's best?
On Oct 1, 10:08 am, Michael Emery mem...@texas.net wrote: On Sep 30, 1:31 pm, Dan Usmar usma...@gmail.com wrote: I've heard good things about Reunion... Here's another such report, Dan. I've been using Reunion since version 2 when it was based on HyperCard, and now I'm using the latest version 9. To borrow Volvo's catch phrase, Reunion for life! My wife and I use Reunion very happily. Aside from the excellence, power, and features of the software package, the folks who participate in the ReunionTalk forum are an excellent help in all things genealogy. The forum is very friendly and helpful with newbie questions. You cannot go wrong with Reunion. Run a Google search on mac genealogy software reviews, and read some of the web content. Beyond that, Dick Eastman has an interesting review on MacFamilyTree version 5.6 at: http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2009/07/macfamilytree-version-56.html#more The price is attractive, but I cannot assess its video graphics requirement, which seem quite advanced, against what is in your iBook. Check the Profiles at lowendmac.com for your specific iBook. Eastman has also written very favorable reports on Reunion through the years. His latest annual review of Mac genealogy software is: http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2009/06/genealogy-programs-for-the-macintosh.html#more Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need to install both Classic and OS-X on old iMac's new hard drive, but how?
On Oct 2, 7:19 pm, Tom tba...@nmia.com wrote: NOW, I've got one last question for anybody who might have an answer: We are in the process of putting all the lady's data back on the drive, from a backup that was made onto an external drive when the old internal drive began to go flakey. She had been running 10.4 before the hard drive failure, and all the OS-X folders that were in the system she was using are there on the backup drive. Is it possible for us to restore all her e-mail addresses, Safari bookmarks, and other such stuff by merely replacing folders on her new system with folders dragged over from the old backed-up system? I mean, for example, can I trash her new Users folder and then drag the old Users from the backup over to the new System, and will the new system then recognize and use that old folder with all its information? Ditto with Applications, Library, etc? Or will I maybe corrupt the new system by trying to splice in pieces of the old one? Is it better (and safer) for her to just reconstruct her old information by putting it in manually? Depending on your method of backing up to the external drive, you may be able to operate with the user files that are on it to check things out and gain confidence in the next step. In any case, I would then put the new Users folder in a safe place, maybe in the Trash but not to empty it. Copy the old Users to the new internal drive, and the OS should be happy with everything. Look in the old Users Library Folder. There you should find the Mail folder with all e-mail boxes and addresses, and the Safari .plists with bookmarks. If you have problems with the mail, then remove the Mail folder that you copied over from the Users Library, go back to the Mail folder on the external drive, copy that to the Desktop, and then have Mail import from that copy. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 3.0.4
On Sep 15, 5:55 pm, dorayme dora...@optusnet.com.au wrote: 7. Finally I try to reply. But by the time I have come to this crucial and all important step, I am so exhausted that I have to go and lie down with a couple of Bex powders. When recovered I have forgotten what I wanted to say. If anyone knows how to improve above algorithm, don't hesitate to say now! I dislike replying using Google. But maybe it would be easier! g I sometimes do exactly what you do, except that my step 7 usually goes smoother. But not only do my replies occasionally go wandering into another thread, they may not show up for a while, or they may go for an infinite journey in outer space. Give the online Google Groups another try. I was a slow adopter, and I'm using it at the moment. It is not so bad, really. It is faster. And I occasionally find that the thread has moved on in the past 12 or 18 hours, and someone else has already said what I wanted to say. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Groups Archives disapppear
On Sep 15, 8:44 am, diane di...@mathermotorsports.com wrote: At 11:52 PM -0500 9/14/09, Charles Lenington wrote: Kris Tilford wrote: Google started their Groups by purchasing the USENET newsgroups archives from Deja News in 2001. At that time, if I searched for posting in All Groups using my brother's name, I'd find search results going clear back into the early mid-1980's. Now, results barely reach back a couple years, and there seems to be no access to an advanced search that would give access to all the old archives, assuming they still exist? I just discovered that last week. I had the same experience, my old dejanews postings from the early 1990's where out there. Had I any idea they'd go away, I would have archived them myself. We cannot assume that remote services are forever. Anything that I may possibly want access to in the future, I archive locally. I back up with both CCC and Time Machine. This includes all lowendmac lists one other forum to which I subscribe. It includes selected content from genealogy forums. It includes most email messages with previous ISPs and currently with Gmail. Anybody who depends on an ISP's archives while using IMAP may one day lose access. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Interesting short-term file sharing service - s4ve.as
On Sep 13, 2:32 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using Dropbox for smaller (2GB) / longer-life stuff, and s4ve.as for big stuff... Very interesting Dan. But why do you do this on top of your daily, end-of-day CCC drill? Thanks, Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What OCR for Leopard?
On Aug 28, 12:09 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Foex, now the nursing home can potentially find out who initiated the complaint. I don't know about VA, but here in AZ that information is confidential, and not released by the agency that investigates this sort of thing. Federal HIPPA rules apply nationwide. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What OCR for Leopard?
On Aug 24, 10:32 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 4:04 PM -0700 8/24/2009, Bruce Johnson wrote: You can roll your own: http://code.google.com/p/tesseract-ocr/ After seeing Al's OP... I mentioned OCR stuff to a friend in the publishing biz tonite. He chuckled... He had bad things to say about every package imaginable. His fav -- hire local school kids, or even your own. It's good typing practice and a great learning experience! A big ho-ho-ho, ha-ha-ha. Thanks guys! Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What OCR for Leopard?
On Aug 24, 7:04 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Abbyy Fine Reader is $100 http://www.abbyyusa.com/shop/ It at least runs on modern macs :-) Bruce: This looks like an excellent candidate with a nice support tail. Do you have any feedback on Abbyy Fine Reader on campus? On Aug 25, 11:35 am, Michael J. Amato can...@comcast.net wrote: There are some printers that come with OCR software. Have you checked? True, that's how I got my old OmniPage SE. A quick sample shows an OS X version available in $200 printers, but I already have a couple printers that I really like. So I am open to getting a separate package. Thanks. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
What OCR for Leopard?
Dual posting here, no answer after two days on two other LEM lists. What OCR software packages are there which run well on OS X 10.5 Leopard? Any favorites? I've seen references to Omnipage Pro X for Macintosh and Readiris as independent packages, and even OCR capability in Vuescan and Adobe Acrobat. My old Omnipage 8 SE will not install in Leopard on a G4 iBook nor Intel iMac. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: a FW box with a HDD, and a DVD ROM/RW?
On Aug 7, 7:26 pm, Mullin9 ddavidmul...@inbox.com wrote: Do anyone make FireWire Enclosure that holds a HDD, and a DVD ROM/RW I would consult by phone with the folks at OWC, Other World Computing, aka macsales.com. There are boxes that hold two drives, usually identical ones. Whether they can provide an enclosure with a internal chipset which can handle what you propose is the question. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: help in upgrading powermac quick silver 733
On Aug 3, 4:42 pm, ll mlitwin3...@att.net wrote: I would like to get at least a 60 hd or 80 if the machine will take it and costs will allow.I understand I will have to purchase the os before I finish the upgrade.It will take a while to get this for a reasonable price.I have leopard 10.7 on the machine.It came with that. You do not need to buy the black Leopard DVD for what you want to do right now. But you need it for two reasons, to install a fresh copy if you run into problems later and to have a legal license of the machine. Do I need to get the os dvds before I have the 933 processor put in?If I have the 933 processor put in,will it be easier to fool the machine to reinstall leopard when I increase the hard drive? With the faster processor, you do not need to fool the machine. The DVD will work fine. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mail directory broken? PBG4 10.5.7
On Aug 4, 3:30 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: Backup ~/Library/Mail -- just in case. Move ~/Library/Mail/Envelope Index to your desktop. Launch Mail and let it re-index things. That Envelope Index is a sqlite database that gets corrupted easily. I like Dan's answer better than what I posted to your dual-post on the Leopard List. It is nice to know what that Envelope Index is for. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Airport extreme, a G4 and an HP all-in-one
On Jul 27, 3:26 am, Meghrouni Vince foomc...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Stuff can print from the Macbook via the network I set up, beamed to the router, sent to the HP, etc., it's all good. After a lot of trial and error fussing, stuff will print from the G4. But when I bring up the scan utility in the G4, I get an error message the scanner can't be found. Let the games begin. Vince: This game may be no fun. I have the vague recollection that scanner drivers are not supported via the AirPort Extreme. Apple makes no claim that AirPort Extreme supports scanners. You'd have to conclude that a scanner function in an all-in-one printer is also not supported. In Apple's Designing AirPort Networks Using AirPort Utility Mac OS X v10.5 + Windows which you can download and search in Preview, there is no mention of a scanning function. Also, a search a Google search on airport extreme and scanner gets this: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1015755 A similar search in Apple's support pages gets no mention of scanner in the first 70 hits or so. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Airport Extreme, G4, HP AIO
On Jul 27, 1:10 pm, Meghrouni Vince foomc...@sbcglobal.net wrote: After setup as per above, printer works but G4 no longer can detect scanner. Vince: See my answer to your other thread in this list. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best way to clone a hard drive to use as a start-up drive?
On Jul 28, 4:45 am, mkehoe mirake...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for all the responses .. I have Prosoft Data Backup software on my computer ... is this comparable to Carbon Copy Cloner for cloning, No, but a comparable product is SuperDuper which you buy. CCC is donation ware, and I was very happy to send in the bucks comparable to the cost of SuperDuper. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best way to clone a hard drive to use as a start-up drive?
On Jul 28, 6:19 am, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: I would suggest not using the Block Level Copy, but use the File Level one. I agree. If you Block Level Copy a 60GB to a 750GB, the 750GB will look like a 60GB hard drive. So much so, that it will copy any bad blocks that are on the old drive, which you do not want to do. I think I have the terminology correct ... read up on it ... the CCC documentation is pretty good. You invoke File Level by selecting Incremental Backup. For this drill there is no need for the options to Delete items that don't exist on the source and Archive modified and deleted items. But you may want to use these options later if you decide to continue using CCC for your backups instead of your Prosoft. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hp printer quit printing
On Jul 27, 1:21 am, janespra...@comcast.net wrote: 3. Tried to add the printer in the Set up and kept getting the message; error -service unavailable 3. uninstalled Hp stuff and re-installed; updated the software and printer driver --- and it worked! Two weeks ago the printer again wouldn't print from Applications. I tried all the above stuff, plus AppleJack. No luck. Each time I tried to add the printer in the Set up, I got the error message. Jiggle the USB cable. Try another cable. Are you using drivers from HP or from Apple? A google search on apple and HP printers might help. At Apple's Support pages, there is a general topic Printing issues and Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, also this: http://www.apple.com/support/tiger/printing/ and Troubleshooting printing issues in Mac OS X at: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1465 plus a Discussion Forum at: http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=756 Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
The Intel-only future draws closer
The Subject line carries the title of a Macworld article by Rob Griffiths at: http://www.macworld.com/article/141882/2009/07/powerpc2intel.html?lsrc=nl_mwweek_h_cbstories it cites trends at applications developers as well as at Apple. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: For the Dayum, yah learn something every day file
On Jul 22, 12:04 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Select a file or folder, click on the gear icon in the window. ONe of the selections is to 'Delete all copies from backups'. Oh My! In Digest Mode, I see Bruce double posted this item, so I'll double up on the comments I made at the macintel list. But I share Bruce's dilemma as to which LEM list should dominate. I was wondering why he did not post on the Leopard list. Anyway, quoting myself: Very Interesting. Thanks from another newb. I see that option when I Enter Time Machine from the top Menu bar. Otherwise, going into the volume icon 'Backup of...' on the Desktop, and moving into the folder 'Backups.backupdb,' and digging down to one of the files in Users, say, the available selections include: Move to Trash, Get Info, Compress, QuickLook, Copy. There is no option for 'Delete all copies from backups.' Presumably, the options to 'Move to Trash' or 'Copy' would apply only to that one copy inside the one, selected backup of a specific date/ time. True? And you saved '20-25 Gb' ? Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: For the Dayum, yah learn something every day file
On Jul 23, 6:13 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: treated as such. If you delete files that way, you'll probably screw up Time Machine's indexing. It would have been smart for Apple to not make a TM volume even visible on the desktop. And you saved '20-25 Gb' ? Oh, well, I was wondering about the lower case b . Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I forgot....
On Jul 22, 5:32 pm, Dan Auerbach listmis...@gmail.com wrote: Single click on on of the files that you want Preview to open by default... don't open it. While the file is highlit, do a Command I. You'll get an info window. Look down the info window and you'll see an arrow next to the header: Open with, which you may have to click to expose what's below. In the window it will probably say that Adobe Reader is the chosen app. Click on this scroll box and you'll see other choices. Choose Preview. Then, go to the next scroll box underneath, which says: Change All and click on it. Now all of that type of file should open in Preview. But will this make the browser, Safari or whatever, also default to Preview for the .pdf files not being saved locally while Adobe Reader still has itself set to be the default? Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Airport N + dialup?
On Jul 14, 9:52 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: Please let us know how the 11n performs with the 2nd drive. Try to stress test it a bit - accessing both drives at the same time, then again, from multiple Macs, then again while running some network speed tests. I'm interested in seeing if the 11n has enough hamster power to really serve the drives AND do wi-fi at full speed... Also, you may get different results depending on whether you are using the 2.4GHz or the 5GHz band. Shouldn't the 5GHz be faster? And with the early 2009 AE, would this be the automatic default band selected by the box? Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Airport N + dialup?
On Jul 13, 11:44 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jul 12, 2009, at 8:02 PM, starrf...@valley.net wrote: I'm not sure what I'll do. What you SHOULD do is what they told you to do, it's the simplest workable solution to solve your problem. And to understand why Dan said what he said, you could get the background info in the Apple early 2009 design document mentioned earlier. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: agp graphics vs. gigabit ethernet
On Jul 9, 10:35 pm, Ricardo Sevilla ae86dr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all. I have a owc 1.2 ghz g4 with 2gigs of ram and a 500 gig hdd. My internet is nowhere near as fast as I think it should be and the computer itself is pretty slow for my tastes. I have the original video card in it as well. Is there anything I can do to this machine to make it faster? I dont want to upgrade to a newer computer just yet. I would like to make this g4 snappier and to my liking and after I accomplish this I will consider upgrading to a g5 or maybe even an older/newer iMac. any help/advice/suggestions would be greatly appreciated What is the basic Apple model for this upgraded G4? Internal bus speed is a consideration. Also, for an assessment, please advise what type of internet connection you have, dial-up, DSL, or cable? And if possible, what is the rated through put of the connection? What is the modem? Are you using ethernet or the much slower Wi-Fi? One or more of these factors could be your choke point. What do you see for an Internet speed test? http://www.dslreports.com/speedtests/ http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: VideoLan has finally reached version 1.0.0
On Jul 7, 12:40 pm, John Martz zjo...@gmail.com wrote: VideoLan is somewhat amazing to me. Given all the (video) players out there from all the different companies, the only one I have had a consistently good experience with is VideoLan. To fall back on a perhaps over used phrase, it just works. At least for me. To use VideoLan, do you trash all other video player plug ins? Or do they just live peacefully side by side? If there are more than one video player, which takes precedence? Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OT?: Database/spreadsheet question
On Jun 30, 8:34 pm, i...@sajego.net i...@sajego.net wrote: John, Garage Sale has matured a LOT since I last looked at it. I have an old license I can upgrade, so this is probably going to end up being my most economical solution, though Fabian's AppleWorks suggestion would have been if I could find it! ( if I decide to replace my copy of AW is my best bet LEMswap? And does AW play nice with Leopard?) The AppleWorks User Group has done some testing with Leopard and Intel Macs. Their forum folks may also help with finding you a copy. http://www.awug.org/ Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OT?: Database/spreadsheet question
On Jun 30, 1:10 am, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: Have you looked at Bento from Filemaker. I haven't really looked at it but it's the light weight version of FileMaker Pro. http://www.filemaker.com/products/bento/overview.html?homepage=bento_... I like the idea of checking into Bento. It ties in very well with OS X's features. You can take a free trial. If you like it, and as a general purpose database package, you could end up using it for other purposes too. But to clarify a point, it does not have the same DNA as FileMaker Pro. There is no commonality in the software. http://www.macworld.com/article/136062/2008/10/bento2.html http://www.macworld.com/article/132121/2008/02/bento.html The comments to these articles express many complaints about version 2 not being free to most of those who bought version 1. And there are complaints about Bento not doing more than it does, like it does not match industrial weight software like the Pro. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Any replacement keyboards
On Jun 27, 11:11 am, t...@io.com t...@io.com wrote: Al Poulin wrote: On Jun 25, 9:56 am, Stephen E. Bodnar sbod...@gci.net wrote: But wait, under the Products tab, see their new Matias Tactile Pro 2.0 keyboard. They even have models for $595. I don't know where you got $595. On their Tactile Pro page they list the Black/Silver model for $149.95. The white model is discontinued. Okay, I did not say the $595 models were under the Products tab. But look at their home page, about half way down. There are three models at that price. http://matias.ca/products/index.php Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Any replacement keyboards
On Jun 25, 9:56 am, Stephen E. Bodnar sbod...@gci.net wrote: I'm surprised that Dan didn't pipe up, but there are numerous articles on the Low End Mac website about this very topic. Personally, I don't like the newer Apple keyboards much either, I make WAY too many mistakes no matter how hard I try! I'm typing this now on a Tactile Pro 2.0 keyboard, which is Mac-centric, but very clicky. Also pricey, and I guess they don't make it any more. That was made by Matias. They now feature a Mac compatible unit at a much lower price. http://www.matias.ca/usb2keyboard/index.php# But wait, under the Products tab, see their new Matias Tactile Pro 2.0 keyboard. They even have models for $595. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Any replacement keyboards
On Jun 25, 5:28 am, Brian Christmas b...@tpg.com.au wrote: G'day I'm just in the process of buying my daughter a new 24 iMac, but she doesn't like the Apple keyboards. Is there a 3rd part replacement that offers the same keys, or that can be keymapped? Said keyboard should be suitable for a touch typist. Or, should I insist she uses the aluminium keyboard until she gets used to it? I have no idea how your daughter takes to insistence. Do YOU use an aluminum keyboard? But she could be made aware that this old goat now loves his aluminum keyboard. It took a while. At first, I kind-a liked it and gave it up for an older, white keyboard that was given to me. I now use the white one on my iBook. And I put the aluminum one back on the iMac. I find that when I use the aluminum keyboard, I keep half my forearm flat on the desk. The keyboard is 8 inches/20 centimeters from the edge of the desk. That gives me the consistent positioning of the hands that I need. When I am on the white keyboard, I have to revert to the traditional floating arm approach. But I do best with the aluminum one. And I grew up with manual typewriters, and came through IBM Selectrics on the job. By the way, my sister came visiting a month ago, and she took to the aluminum keyboard like a duck to water. She had a career in business offices. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Disk U9tility
On Jun 22, 1:14 am, Po-en Tsai poen.t...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/06/2009, at 4:59 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Where do I find the password this program keeps asking for? It is NOT my Keychain PW as I know this one. Have you tried your normal password? I don't see why Disk Utility would ask for a password... At what point in using Disk Utility does it ask you for the password? Are you working from a User account? Perhaps it is asking you for the Admin password. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: monitor
On Jun 22, 8:22 am, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: My SuperScan Mc 611 RasterOps monitor is looking a little pink these days, so I am interested in buying a new LCD style monitor to use with my BW. Sonnet G-4 upgrade. Can anyone give me an idea of what to look for in a new monitor? Specs? In this list, there was a thread earlier this month which may help you: Where Do I Find Reliable Info On Color Critical Monitor Choices? http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/browse_thread/thread/905f0b49d19a75eb?hl=en Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: emac hard drive
On Jun 17, 8:21 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: deftone_75 wrote: Does anyone know if I can add a second hard drive to my emac? It is 1.25 Ghz 1gb ram 80 gb HD, 10.5.7 usb 2.0 superdrive model. Thanks so much You can but only externally via FireWire (preferred) or USB. Considering the price of HDs it's pretty trivial to replace the 80Gb with a much bigger drive. I recently had to replace the HD in my Mini. When I looked around I found a 320Gb drive for something like $80 and that is for a laptop drive. So instead of adding a drive just replace it with a big enough drive. And after that, you can put the 80GB into a Firewire enclosure and make it a bootable alternative and a backup for your Users folder. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Orig. Airport card vs. PCI wireless card
On Jun 18, 7:47 pm, John Martz zjo...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Kris Tilfordktilfo...@cox.net wrote: How do I set this up with Apple Airport 802.11n router? Wouldn't this require the router to appears as two separate networks on different channels? Unfortunately, since I don't own one of the new dual band AirPort Extremes, I haven't a clue. I tried going to the Apple support section to see what I could find there, but I came up empty. (Perhaps I just don't know where to look?) What I kept running into were instructions in the manuals along the lines of Open AirPort Utility, select your base station, and follow the onscreen instructions to create your new network. Section 2 of the Time Capsule Setup Guide for last year's box points to an Apple design manual. Perhaps a look here for Designing AirPort Networks: Mac OS X v10.5 + Windows February 28, 2008 - 2 MB gives you what you need. I found it to be very help to me, a rank novice in WiFi. The 77 pages were a bit more than I need. But yes, it seems that with the 2009 editions of Airport Extreme and Time Capsule, you can set up the 2.4 and 5 GHz networks separately to run simultaneously. By the way, the 2008 version Time Capsules (500GB) are still available at Small Dog Electronics for $199.99. At MacMall too. Al Poulin http://support.apple.com/manuals/#airport Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 16, 2:41 am, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone has the opportunity to write to him directly to find out. You needn't ask permission. I did, and he answered me. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 16, 2:59 pm, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Al Poulinalfred.pou...@gmail.com wrote: I did, and he answered me. ... What'd he say? Below is what Dan said. And his Rules of List Management page carries today's date. Al Poulin *** QUOTE: On Jun 16, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Dan Knight wrote: As I posted to every list on Feb. 15, 2008: After discussion with the other list managers, we've decided to end our policy of asking that list members not top post their replies. That's the default behavior of most email clients, and just reminding people of our recommendation to bottom post or interleave your replies has become more trouble than its worth. From this point forward, top posting is no longer an issue. There is no longer anything in the list FAQs or on the netiquette page about top vs. bottom posting. I am updating the Rules of List Management page to remove mention of it as well. Dan On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Al Poulin alfred.pou...@gmail.com wrote: UNQUOTE --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
On Jun 16, 4:39 pm, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: Or , is it possible that in seeking help you might want your case presented in a sequential, easy to follow format that bring little impairment to communication? The less time it takes to parse a plea or even a help response the sooner the Mac will be happily running. Did you ever think of that? These lists have always been about keeping Macs running. Yes some have tried to impose their agendas. Rather unsuccessfully so. But i know of no other list that will help you get a machine of any kind operating any where near as soon as this one will help you with your Mac. And if you doubt that, experiment with other lists. If you find one tell me about it. I am always interested in good help. I subscribed to a few of the lists at themacintoshguy.com back during the time that Dan Knight used their server. I gave them up as their effectiveness dwindled, at least for me, and their email system seemed to become less reliable. In fact, I advised one of the members of their G4 list to enrole here. She did, and I am absolutely certain, without her telling me, that she is very happy with all the help she has received in the past year or so. We can quibble about some of the peculiarities of Google Groups, but Dan Knight made an excellent move by moving over. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help with Powerbook G3
On Jun 14, 12:40 pm, gart...@aol.com gart...@aol.com wrote: Greetings to all thank you in advance for any help provided. I have a bronze keyboard Powerbook G3. What I'm looking to do is have it wireless capable either via a wireless card, or a USB wireless adapter. I've tried one at a regular computer store the OS 10.4 would not recognize it at all. That was a USB adapter that didn't have drivers for the Mac. I would prefer not to go the the local Apple store in the local mall to buy anything from Apple I can get from a 3rd party. So I'm looking for suggestions as to how to make my laptop wireless for the least amount of $ I can get away with. It has 330 megs of ram, a 333 Mhz processor a 100 GB hard drive in it. I have a Lucent Technologies PC24E-H-FC Silver PC Card that we used in the same machine as yours. Relevant info on its surface: IEEE 802.11 Compliant, Turbo 11Mb, making it look as though it meets the 802.11b standard. WaveLAN, Encryption: WEP. Google PC24E-H-FC for info and for driver. Let me know off-list if you are interested. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A polite netiquette back and forth
Hmmm, I wonder if Dan Knight will adjust or clarify the rules for all of lowendmac? Somewhere, I read that there was a roundtable about this yesterday. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lightening Season
Bill: At first, I thought you were talking dieting! But good catch on your part. On Jun 12, 11:44 pm, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: We've entered lightening season and I have begun unplugging my systems as storms approach. I have concerns for my G4s: Yikes!, QS 2002 Dual 1GHz, and soon to be had DA Dual 533. I sometimes do this, even though I use two APC BackUPS Pro 450s, old models which have a nice capability to deal with brownouts. I guess they call that automatic voltage regulation (AVR). These units deal nicely with appliances in the house which sometimes give a momentary dimming of the lights, like the clothes washer and vacuum cleaner. I hear them click quickly on/off. Does this place a drain on the PRAM batteries? Yes. I believe someone contributed awhile back, that when the psu capacitor drains, that's when the batteries are used more. What might be a time limit on such a capacitor drain? Don't know. I've come to mistrust surge protectors, and really don't want to go into UPSs ... but are they immune to lightening? It depends. They may sacrifice themselves if lightning strikes the house, the tall tree 10 feet away, or the transformer at the street that serves your house. But our electric company installed new equipment including fuses on the lines after Hurricane Isabell, and our service has become much more stable. Years ago, I lost my first APC unit when, on a clear bright sunny Saturday morning, the power company generated a massive surge. That saved the computer gear. Neighbors lost TVs, microwaves, wall thermostats, etc. After that incident, I installed an all-house surge protector in my Square D entrance panel. Last week, at 6:40 AM, when I had left everything plugged in, there was a lightning strike nearby, with instantaneous lights off for about two seconds. It burned out a transformer about 150 feet from my house which supplies my neighbor's house. No problem here. And I have not seen any other service vehicles at my neighbor's place. I also disconnect my DSL modem and ethernet cables: that's how lightening fried my last QS mobo [and a USB connected Nikon 5000ED circuit board (now back fresh as well)] ... the QS I think actually had problems since eBay. My replacement mobo is behaving really well. I sometimes unplug the other gear and cables. If, by unplugging, you accelerate the drain on your G4 tower PRAM batteries, that is no big deal. You just easily replace the battery. But with the new style iMac computers, that really is a big deal, because the internal battery is not easily replaceable by users. For that reason, when away from the house for vacations, I leave the iMac attached to the UPS, and the UPS powered on. I unplug everything else. But first, I backup our stuff to an external drive and DVDs which then remain off line. When I had Verizon come in to install their FiOS service so that I could get rid of Cox Communications, I installed a power receptacle near the entrance panel off a little used light circuit instead of having them plug their entrance box into the clothes washer receptacle. The service tech did not want my point of use surge protector. Neither did he want the coax cable going to their router come via my APC surge protector. He specifically said their equipment is adequately protected. But I can still unplug my own ethernet gear. All this unplugging has become rather comical (well, to my cat and dog, since we're here, mostly to ourselves). Any suggestions about how to accomplish this better? Whole house surge protector. Except for D Square from Home Depot, that may require an electrician. UPS with AVR. Unplug when convenient. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lightening Season
On Jun 13, 9:52 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: Note also that a UPS is nothing more than a better surge protector plus a battery backup (for when the power goes out totally). The surge protectors in them are just like the ones you buy separately - price vs quality. The more expensive UPSs include automatic voltage regulation (AVR). Also, beyond normal home use, there is power conditioning. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lightning Season
On Jun 13, 10:33 am, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: My home network is a simple 3 or 4 computers-off-one-dsl-modem/router LAN. Computer setups are located in several rooms/studios. Each computer/other equipment (expensive and sensitive audio, scanners, etc) are connected to a power strip ... strips are sometimes daisy chained. I like to distinguish between surge protectors or surge strips on the one hand and power strips on the other hand. I understand that surge protectors/strips must not be daisy chained. Daisy chaining power strips seems okay. Bruce once mentioned that he ties power strips to the battery side of his home APC UPS boxes. I could do the same with a triple tap. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
UPS with Power Strip or Triple Tap
On May 26, 2009, at 7:22 PM, g3-5-list group wrote: == 6 of 6 == Date: Tues, May 26 2009 3:01 pm From: Bruce Johnson Heck, if you need more outlets, just plug a power strip into the UPS. So long as you don't exceed the rating of the unit, the number of items plugged in is irrelevant. APC cautions against this because of the temptation toplug every damn thing in, but with modern Mac systems, after the CPU, everythign else is relatively inconsequential. (like my computer, monitor, and assorted power bricks for external drives, USB hubs, Firewire Hubs, and in the case of my home system the cordless phone) all plug in to power strips connected to the battery side. It seems to me that a triple tap off a UPS battery side pig tail would function the same as a power strip, true? Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
