Re: What Mac to buy - and from where?
1,1s can run Lion; mine does. TBH, a 1,1 is probably the best price/performance deal. Mine came with dual-dual Xeons at 2.66, which gives about 6k Geekbench with a platter hard drive, and cost $350. I upgraded to dual-quad Xeons (also at 2.66) which brought me to 10k, and the CPUs were $50 each. Illirik Smirnov Head of Congressional Debate -- Enloe High School Debate Team Board Member, Enloe Gay/Straight Alliance Quiz Bowl A Team On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Dale Hoffman dh...@margnat.com wrote: Bob, The MacPro 1,1 is stuck at OS 10.6.8. I'd try for something with more upgrade future. The new MacPros haven't hit the market place yet and folks might be getting worried about the new design shift to less internal expandability. Until then, the older MacPros might be at a premium. Dale On Oct 7, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Bob Johnson wrote: I'm in the same boat as the OP, still using an eMac as my main computer, though I do have an intel macbook available for when I desperately need it. I've been looking at used Mac Pros, as I am a bit tired of the non-upgradeability and repairability of the all-in-one designs. Mac Pros are extremely rare on the local craigslist, and even the 1.1 versions generally want close to 1000 bucks. Is a 1.1 Mac Pro a viable choice, or is it too limiting? I'd welcome any advice on what to look for in a Mac Pro, processors, video options, etc, as I have no experience with this class of machine. And is it better to buy from one of the used Mac dealers, or is craigslist or ebay the way to go? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks, Bob --- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: upgrade eMac
Use tenfourfox for your browser under 10.3.9. It is much better than Safari on PPC systems. On Jun 23, 2013 1:55 PM, Gene Henley mhenl...@verizon.net wrote: Bruce, I did download the upgrade. It went in flawlessly. I saw a note that suggested upgrading Java,which I did. ( To stop Safari from dropping.) Nothing I did corrected this Safari problem. A search from another of my computers revealed that is was a problem,and Apple was dending patches. I have been unable to find these patches. In order to use Safari, I had to go back to 10.3.3,the original OS. It works well. I wou;ld like to have 10.3.9 if that is possible WITH Safari.!0.3.9 works well EXCEPT for Safari. Cheers Gene From: Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu On Jun 21, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Gene Henley mhenl...@verizon.net wrote: I have an eMac with 10.3.3 I understand that I must upgrade to 10.3.9 before I can go to Tiger. Maybe not true. --**--** --**--**- Not true. No Apple system ever required you have the preevious system version installed and updated until 10.7 (which required 10.6.8 for access to the App Store) You can install 10.4 on a completely blank disk. ==**==** ==**=== Should it be , I don`t know how to upgrade to to 10.3.9. Any help appreciated. ==**==** ==**= If you DO what to update to 10.3.9, just download the combo updater from apple: http://support.apple.com/kb/**DL496http://support.apple.com/kb/DL496 -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-**list.shtmlhttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/**lists/netiquette.shtmlhttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/g3-5-list http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comg3-5-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-**list.shtmlhttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/**lists/netiquette.shtmlhttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/g3-5-list http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comg3-5-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Upgrade to what
I mean, it's not as if the Apple commandos will break down your door if you violate the EULA. As for what to upgrade to, be on the lookout for Mac Pro 1,1s (from 2006). The dual-dual models are still quite fast, and you can upgrade to dual-quads for about $100 in eBay CPUs. Craigslist turns these up frequently. On Jun 21, 2013 4:27 PM, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: -- Original message -- Subject: Re: Upgrade to what Date:Saturday, 08. June 2013 From:Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On Jun 8, 2013, at 8:58 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: -- Original message -- Subject: Re: Upgrade to what Date:Saturday, 08. June 2013 From:Bruce Ryan bruce.r...@me.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Other thought - a modern mac will have the best hardware guarantees, and it is possible (though maybe not strictly legal) to make Leopard virtual machines under VirtualBox, running on MountainLion. So you'd have the OS you're used to, running at the speed of an up-to-date bit of hardware. And you'd have the opportunity to buy modern versions of your software as and when you want or can afford to. Actually it is legal. It is legal to run Mac OS X under a real Mac, provided you acquired a license to do so. This means that you have to buy Snow Leopard in addition to the Mac that comes with e.g. Lion or Montain Lion. Strictly speaking it is only legal for 10.6 server, or 10.7 and 10.8, per Apple's user license agreements. First, Apple's license is not in itself 100% legal. They cannot forbid something that is your right by the law. (Actually they can, but then it isn't something to abide). Second, the license for Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard clearly states, that it can only be installed on a Mac. So, if you install Snow Leopard in VirtualBox on a Mac, you hereby follow the license. You are however restricted to installing each license only once, i.e. you cannot run Snow Leopard in VirtualBox while running VirtualBox on the same license Snow Leopard itself. That would be illegal. However, if you have a familiy license (up to 5 Macs in a household) you could even do that. Practically, so long as you you don't enter into business as a Mac clone dealer, Apple doesn't really seem to care; they've taken no action as far as I can tell against any site offering instructions or software to do this unless they're distributing modified copies of OSX, which really isn't necessary any more, and hasn't been for some time. I think what you are referring to is running Mac OS X virtualized inside a VM (like Parallels, Vmware, Virtual PC or VirtualBox) on anything other than a Mac. That's clearly forbidden by the license. Since 10.7 it is also illegal in Europe… the EULA /used/ /to/ /be/ invalid in this regard, so a customer who bought Mac OS X in the store until 10.6 was legal to install it on any computer no matter what. A hackintosh with 10.4/10.5/10.6 may therefor be completely legal in Europe, provided the retail OS was bought. Since 10.7 OS X can only be downloaded, a customer has to agree to the license BEFORE buying – hereby making this part (only on a Mac) valid even in Europe. See this for example http://www.kakewalk.se/ I didn't look at it yet. They even tell you exactly what to buy to maximize ease of installation; but note, they're not selling anything, nor are they pointing to downloads of OSX. I expect the owner of the site is getting a fair bit of kickback from the Amazon links. I think that's always legal. How to do something that isn't exactly wanted by the company who sell it without providing the means – also called hacks – cannot be illegal. I would call it good journalism… Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to
Re: Replacement Reader
Why aren't you using TenFourFox? On May 23, 2013 8:53 PM, les simo les.sim...@aol.com wrote: Hi, I follow numerous blogs and am looking for a suitable replacement for the destined for demise Google Reader. Feedly seems to be the hot favorite, but does not work for me. It displays a message saying synchronizing... and does absolutely nothing for hours. I'm on a Powerbook G4/1Ghz, OS X 10.4.11 Firefox 3.6.28. I've searched for older versions of Feedly but can't seem to find anything. Any suggestions? Cheers, Les -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-**list.shtmlhttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/**lists/netiquette.shtmlhttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/g3-5-list http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comg3-5-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Max RAM for a G5?
4GB DDR sticks do not exist. Sorry to bust your bubble :/ Even 2GB sticks are hard to find and expensive; so expensive that it is probably more cost effective to just buy a new mac. -- -- Illirik Smirnov Enloe High School Debate Congress Student Coach Quiz Bowl A Team On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Tom tba...@nmia.com wrote: I have a G5 Dual Core (2.0) (Late 2005, M9590LL/A, PowerMac 11,2) that has eight memory slots. EveryMac says that this G-5 is maxed out at 16 GB of memory. Mine has 8 GB right now (1 GB chip in each slot). Does that mean that if you put more than 16 GB in the memory slots, it will only recognize or use 16? I heard that you can sometimes put more memory in some G5s than Apple claimed was the limit. Is this G5 one of those? Say I were to put 4 GB chips in four of the slots, I'd get 16 GB of RAM from those, and there would still be four slots with 1 GB in them. Would this Mac then recognize 20 GB of RAM, or only 16? For that matter, what if I filled every one of those eight slots with 4 GB chips--would the Mac then recognize and use 32 GB? I'm doing Final Cut video editing with this Mac, and the render times are awfully slow. I sit for long periods just waiting for the render bars to fill up, and nothing can be done until they do--the program is frozen. I could sure get a lot more done if i could speed up that rendering, and some people tell me that maxing out the RAM helps a lot. Any advice appreciated. Tom -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: G5 Graphics Card
It is not going to work unflashed, and I don't think a flash exists. Sorry :( The cards are cheap, though. -- -- Illirik Smirnov On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Cameron Kaiser spec...@floodgap.comwrote: Do any of you know if a NVidia GeForce 7300GT video from a MacIntel Mac Pro tower will work in a G5 Quad Core tower (or, for that matter, any other non-MacIntel tower)? Thanking you in advance. I don't know for sure, but I doubt it, unless it was flashed. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- I am Pentium of Borg. Division is futile. You will be approximated. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling software?
I personally prefer digital downloads of most stuff because the disks and the like dont clutter up my house. But at the same time, I prefer having physical copies of music (especially vinyl) for audio quality purposes; plus, the album art on vinyl always looks better when it is that big. Makes you appreciate album covers more. Then, of course, there is something to be said about the experience and act of playing the record. Although I've filled up a 64GB Zune with VBR MP3s (I have every music) and am considering getting a 160GB iPod Classic... -- -- Illirik Smirnov Am I a fossil of the pre-internetpre-digital-content age? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iTunes G3 radio playlist servers?
I don't actually own one, but a friend of mine has it and enjoys it quite a bit. Videos are fantastic, but when I loaded the same FLAC on both a Galaxy and my Zune and played through same headphones, the Galaxy definitely was worse, although not as bad as the iPod Touch (much better, in fact). I'm not sure how syncing works on Mac with em, though. -- -- Illirik Smirnov On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Martin N marti...@bluebottle.com wrote: Lo, At 16:56 13/08/2012, you wrote: Other than that, I really like the Samsung Galaxy players and some of the newer Sandisks for music, esp. if you load Rockbox. Do you have a Samsung galaxy player? I was looking at them as a DAP to replace my cowan d2. Hi-Fi world mag (UK)_reviewed it as the best one from a group of iPod classic, touch, Phillips, cowan and a Sony. Martin N Running MorphOS v3.1 (July 2012) on a PowerPC Powerbook, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-**list.shtmlhttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/**lists/netiquette.shtmlhttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/g3-5-list http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G4 Mac Mini HTPC Use
Do they make good ones? Can I install, say, XBMC or Mythbuntu on a PPC Mac? Do they play 1080p video well? -- -- Illirik Smirnov -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 fans racing
-- -- Illirik Smirnov This is a very, very common issue. Most of the time, its some PMU thing, but occasionally, it's faulty temperature readings. The low 40s C are acceptable processor temperatures; the 47C memory is strange but within reason. A DP of mine developed this issue, except the fan would just blast at random times until I shut it off. Turns out it was reporting 70C+ temperatures randomly; I wound up disassembling the thing and cleaning the fans and the like; that didn't work. I used it for a while with the fans forced to idle, but then I scrapped it for parts. On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:46 PM, arichic...@gmail.com arichic...@gmail.comwrote: Dual 1.8 G5. When I put it to sleep, sometimes, not every time, I come home and the fans are racing and it sounds like a 747 taking off. I already reduced speed in the system prefs. Before I reduced, the fans would come on once or twice an hour, but never loud racing. Since I reduced, the fans /never/ come on except in sleep mode. I would think in sleep mode /less/ power and heat would be generated. Anyone have a theory on this? I installed a temp monitor utility, and it tells me the processors are running about 105 degrees F; the memory controller heatsink at about 118 F. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac Mini HTPC Use
Super. I'm still using a Phenom II X6 desktop for HTPC duty, but using 400W is not fun for 3, 4 hours a day. Although I can play Crysis on my TV, I want something a bit more economical. An early Intel mini? -- -- Illirik Smirnov On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Cameron Kaiser spec...@floodgap.comwrote: Do they make good ones? Can I install, say, XBMC or Mythbuntu on a PPC Mac? Do they play 1080p video well? G4s can play 720p at the high end, but I wouldn't play 1080p on anything less than a 2.5+ GHz G5. Even then it can be choppy if the bitrate is high. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Cleanliness is next to impossible. - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iTunes G3 radio playlist servers?
Seems like Apple would prefer to view my iPod as their personal ATM. I've gotten an older [2.5 generation] iPod touch and honestly I've grown to detest the thing. Wifi is incredibly slow, the touch typing is annoying and slow, and not uniform across apps, no streaming internet radio by default. It does nothing *well*, and what it does do--play music I already own---so did my Walkman from 1986 [except that Walkman had also had simple access to free radio]. I hate to be /that guy/, but I recently bought myself a used Zune HD and it works very well with all of my computers (PC and Mac alike). I replaced my older iPod Touch because of what you described: Apple not really supporting anything, either. In addition, the audio quality on my FLACs was subpar; I often blast the tunes off of it on huge speaker systems, and I got tired of FLACs sounding like 128kbps MP3s. The Zune works reasonably well; to sync on Mac, just load up the tiny, low-resource sync utility, point it to a folder of MP3s, and wait a few minutes. Wifi is quite usable, and the web browser is as nice as an older iPhone's when over wifi. I'm not big on games (I have a PSP for that), but there *are* a few nice ones, esp. with some hacking. Streaming Internet radio support is available with a little hacking, and it picks up both FM and HD radio really, really well out of the box. Furthermore, the UI is really nice and easy, and the OLED screen is gorgeous when watching movies on it. The downside is the fact that my used 64GB cost $280 (about the same as a new iPod Touch, right?), and that's the low end for the pricing on these guys (mine had some geometric design etched in the back; plain-backed ones can't be had for under $350). Battery lasts three days of on-again, off-again usage (probably about 15 hours of music, with one movie's worth play) The bad thing is the price, the manufacturer, and the fact that they don't sync natively with macs running pre-10.4 OSes. Still a great way to spend a week's wages, though. Other than that, I really like the Samsung Galaxy players and some of the newer Sandisks for music, esp. if you load Rockbox. The thing is that I have ~250GB of FLACs (with an MP3 copy of each for various purposes) and I need, at the very least, 60GB of storage (to have my favorites in FLAC and a bunch of other stuff in 320 MP3s). I might get a 160GB Classic, but the battery life worries me. Back on topic: I think that iTunes' radio support is mediocre at best, but updating the links manually seems like the only way to go here. I'd really like to think that this is just another Apple-Hates-PPC move, but some of my stations on an Intel mac were lost too, so I dunno. -- -- Illirik Smirnov -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac Mini HTPC Use
I was looking into using the 07 model. Is Front Row passable or should I install Mythbuntu or XBMC? -- -- Illirik Smirnov On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Cameron Kaiser spec...@floodgap.com wrote: Super. I'm still using a Phenom II X6 desktop for HTPC duty, but using 400W is not fun for 3, 4 hours a day. Although I can play Crysis on my TV, I want something a bit more economical. An early Intel mini? My 2007 C2D mini does okay with 1080p. However, it does not do a lot better than the quad G5 (I suspect the anaemic GMA graphics are to blame). That said, it certainly uses a lot less power. The 2007 C2D can run 10.7 and they're pretty cheap, but they won't run 10.8 (and for that reason I've kept it at 10.6.8 since I can't stand Lion). -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Adore, v.: To venerate expectantly. -- Ambrose Bierce -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac Mini HTPC Use
Thanks. I'll probably just wind up building a PC HTPC because I want to be able to rip Blu-rays, but I could always use a G4 for my tiny bedroom TV. -- -- Illirik Smirnov On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Cameron Kaiser spec...@floodgap.com wrote: I was looking into using the 07 model. Is Front Row passable or should I install Mythbuntu or XBMC? I've used Front Row briefly, but not any of the others. I'm one of them (still plays DVDs and physical media in a standalone player). -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Furious activity is no substitute for understanding. -- H. H. Williams - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Fastest way to run OS9 apps?
Which would be faster: A maxed-out G4 running OS9, or A maxed-out G5 running an OS9 app through Classic? -- -- Illirik Smirnov -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Music stream capture app?
Yeah, but the F-22 goes faster. Therefore, it's better. QED. Audactiy isn't all *that* hard to use. Is it iMovie or something? No. But if you read a few man pages, things aren't that bad. -- -- Illirik Smirnov I think that the op is looking for a pencil sharpener level of audio capture without all the bells and whistles. I'd like to find one as well to use on my PowerBook G4. I'm old and do not have the patience to figure out the operation of an F-22 when a cub will do the job... JT -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Music stream capture app?
I second this. It's good software, but it isn't open-source and doesn't really do all that much. It also costs $10 for recordings over ten minutes. -- -- Illirik Smirnov On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: Piezo : http://www.`.com/piezo/ http://www.rogueamoeba.com/piezo/ don't remember if anyone's mentioned that. Does just what the OP wants. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Quad G5 power consumption
Does anyone have any figures as to peak quad G5 power consumption? The University has six spares and I think I wanna make a Beowulf cluster for kicks. -- -- Illirik Smirnov -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube
It reminds me of what my sophomore History through Film teacher said when I used Saving Private Ryan as the subject of my report on propaganda films: Sometimes, its fun to be all countercultural and stuff and do things differently, but sometimes everyone does it one way for a good reason. To each his own, but Leopard is just beyond the capabilities of even the fastest G3 to run with any sense of fluency; there's a reason Apple lets you install 10.4 on em but not 10.5. I see the point of running 10.5 on, say, a G4 100MHz below the limit with capable RAM and video card (esp. if you can't live without spaces and stacks, like me), but 10.5 is kinda silly. It'll be like your 6100 (although stick a Sonnet G4 in it and see what happens with OSX; I'd love to see someone try and put 10.5 on it). Will it work? Yes. Well enough to do it for any reason besides because I can? No. Illirik Smirnov On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 4:08 PM, MaGioZal magio...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/23/12 4:18 PM, Illirik Smirnov at illir...@gmail.com wrote: Yes and yes, but I think that it's probably a better idea to XPostFacto in retail 10.5.8 in if you REALLY want Leopard, and I see no reason why you want it on a G3. It *will* run poorly. I keep either OS9 or 10.3 on all of my G3s (which is a small sample size, seeing as how all I have is an iMac G3 and a Clamshell to go with it). A 350-400+MHz G3 running OS9 is a capable machine, on 10.3 its slow but usable, on 10.4 it's barely usable; I can't imagine it running well in 10.5. But I like some challenges and experiments...;-) I remember back in 2001 that many people said it would be practically impossible to install and use Mac OS 9.1 on a PowerMac 6100 I had at the time. Well, I've installed... And it worked. Slowly, but anyway, I could use iTunes, broadband internet and CD burning (and also a 1024x768 video resolution trough the AV card). I put the brave 6100 (upgraded with a Sonnet G3 processor that many times refused to work properly...) into retirement in 2006, between other things because there was no way to install Mac OS X on it. ;-P -- MaGioZal. http://facebook.com/magiozal/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: [G3-5]Re: Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 on unsupported Power Macs, specifically: the Cube
Yes and yes, but I think that it's probably a better idea to XPostFacto in retail 10.5.8 in if you REALLY want Leopard, and I see no reason why you want it on a G3. It *will* run poorly. I keep either OS9 or 10.3 on all of my G3s (which is a small sample size, seeing as how all I have is an iMac G3 and a Clamshell to go with it). A 350-400+MHz G3 running OS9 is a capable machine, on 10.3 its slow but usable, on 10.4 it's barely usable; I can't imagine it running well in 10.5. On the other hand, this 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo Thinkpad running Linux is really laggy right now (worse than a last-model ibook on 10.3), writing this email in gmail. Glad I have an MBA in the mail... -- -- Illirik Smirnov On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 5:10 AM, MaGioZal magio...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/22/12 6:02 AM, Kris Tilford at ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jul 22, 2012, at 3:15 AM, MaGioZal wrote: Can this 10.5 developer version run on G3s? The final developer version that runs on a G3 CPU is 9a303a. The 9a303a version was a tiny update (via Software Update) from the released 9a303, and it's unlike the update servers still offer this update, so for all practical purposes 9a303 was the final G3 CPU version of Leopard. Does this version can run Classic Environment? And would it be able to install via XPostFacto? -- MaGioZal. http://fotolog.com/_magiozal/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Updates for Mac OS X?
Shouldn't 10.4 run on a Cube? I'm certain that software update has those. -- -- Illirik Smirnov On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Kyle Hansen pi...@speakeasy.net wrote: That is pretty normal. Mac OS 10.2 was released almost exactly one DECADE ago. The Software Update servers usually only hold updates from the last few years. After that you have to navigate to Apple and do it manually. It is a huge burden on a company to support things back over a decade, so I am just happy that Apple is cool enough to even have the updates available in it's downloads page. It is in all of our best interests that Apple does NOT overburden itself with support for legacy products. They have more important things to be doing. ;) -- Kyle Hansen When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro! --Hunter S. Thompson On 7/11/12 9:56 AM, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: Hello! I reinstalled a fresh 10.2, 10.3 and 10.4 on my Cube and naturally I started updating the installations soon after. 10.2 is now the most recent 10.2.8 with all security updates supplied by Software Update, but I had to use my previously downloaded and offline stored installation packages. I checked the last three or four days for updates on Mac OS X 10.2 and today with 10.3 and noticed that the servers from Apple were unreachable from within Apple¹s own Software Update application (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1338). I then checked to see if updates from the support page (http://support.apple.com/downloads/) can be downloaded normally, which they can. So there is still a (hard) way to update a Mac OS X pre-10.4. I also noticed that Mac OS X prior to 10.5 has been removed from Apples internet website (http://www.apple.com/support/mac/). I will now also continue to update my 10.3 using the priviously downloaded .dmg installation images I collected and preserved for such cases. Anyone else having problem with Software Update? Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Optical Drive
Well, I can't remember the last time I opened the thing, but I went to try, and mine does the same thing. Huh. -- -- Illirik Smirnov On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Alex Sciortino zeosr...@gmail.com wrote: I have a powermac G5. The drive door does not slide down to let the tray come out unless you do it manually. After that it doesn't come back up. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PM G5: When booting the DVD drive opens up
My DPs do this sometimes. It has always been a heat on boot issue, and usually occurs when there is excessive heat prior to cooling system engagement (hot summer days here in Raleigh can do this). When the coolant comes on heat is fine. Try putting it in a better-ventelated place. -- -- Illirik Smirnov Chaotic Neutral since 1997 A Charisma of 28 will seduce the dragon on a 14 or higher... 20? Oh well, I suppose you get the treasure. They see me rollin, they hatin; patrollin, tryin to catch me rollin nat one Ron Paul // Jello Biafra 2012: For A Better America= Proud member of the Enloe HS Debate Team: At Least Someone Placed On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it wrote: Il giorno 19-03-2012 4:12, Valter Prahlad ha scritto: (AFAIK v.2.8.0.722 is the latest for Tiger) Sorry, I meant Skype v. 2.8.0.866 (the one I'm currently using) is the latest for Tiger. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Oil Cooling
I'm considering oil-cooling my DP 2.5 PMG5. This would involve putting the computer (sans ports, hdd, cd) in a tub of mineral oil. It doesn't conduct electricity, and as such would be perfect for this use. It has been done many times with PCs; does anyone know anything that may keep the G5 from working optimally? -- -- Illirik Smirnov Chaotic Neutral since 1997 A Charisma of 28 will seduce the dragon on a 14 or higher... 20? Oh well, I suppose you get the treasure. They see me rollin, they hatin; patrollin, tryin to catch me rollin nat one Ron Paul // Jello Biafra 2012: For A Better America= Proud member of the Enloe HS Debate Team: At Least Someone Placed -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Oil Cooling
No, TBH here is an actual video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtufuXLvOok . I'm not trolling. -- -- Illirik Smirnov Chaotic Neutral since 1997 A Charisma of 28 will seduce the dragon on a 14 or higher... 20? Oh well, I suppose you get the treasure. They see me rollin, they hatin; patrollin, tryin to catch me rollin nat one Ron Paul // Jello Biafra 2012: For A Better America= Proud member of the Enloe HS Debate Team: At Least Someone Placed On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Mar 14, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Il giorno 14-03-2012 22:28, Dan ha scritto: Would it smell like fries? ;-D hum. A whole sensory new dimension to using a Mac! Going all the way through from MacIntosh to MacDonald's... ;-P Hey you can make tasty fried snax while cranking up the framerate or doing those big renders or sfx! It's a Deep Fryer! It's a Computer! All you need is Dan Ackroyd at his smarmiest to introduce it! -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Buying a G5
$300 seems fine (It's more than one would cost in the States, but I know that everything technical's prices in the Kingdom are determined by dropping the dollar sign and adding a pound sign), but make sure that the 2GB isn't, say, 8x256MB (as such a configuration would make upgrading more difficult). -- -- Illirik Smirnov Chaotic Neutral since 1997 A Charisma of 28 will seduce the dragon on a 14 or higher... 20? Oh well, I suppose you get the treasure. They see me rollin, they hatin; patrollin, tryin to catch me rollin nat one Ron Paul // Jello Biafra 2012: For A Better America= Proud member of the Enloe HS Debate Team: At Least Someone Placed On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Avid_Fan spe...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the advice, all very helpful. I'll probably stick with a G5 to keep the cost down. Here's one I'm thinking of buying http://bit.ly/wVZsFk Model A1047 EMC 2061 Apple Mains Cable Running OSX Leopard 10.5.8 Spec of this Mac Dual 2.3 GHz G5 Processors ( NOT liquid cooled model ) 160 GB HDD SATA DVD-RW Pioneer 109 D (not tested for burning but works fine reading dvd's) 2 GB DDR PC 3200 RAM 128 MB VRAM Dual DVI output adapter needed for VGA or ADC 1 Ethernet port 3 USB 2 Ports 2 Firewire 400 Ports 1 Firewire 800 port Optical in and out Ports Sound in and out Ports 1 Headphone port Comes with Apple Mains cable Case is in reasonable condition but has a number of marks and scratches. Running OSX Leopard 10.5.8 iLife 09 On Feb 18, 8:55 pm, Illirik Smirnov illir...@gmail.com wrote: the Mac Pro is nice and all, but the fact remains that Intelness adds significant to the price. Hereabouts, a pristine dual 2.5 G5 sans RAM, video, and HDD (since personal preferences matter so much, when our little circle swaps machines we do so like this) can be had for ~$100; that means the whole shebang can be under $200 depending on the amount of RAM you want (if you're like me and have a lot of 256 and 512MB sticks lying around, 8 slots means that you can have plenty using a bunch of small sticks in matched pairs of capacity, not speed or brand). On the other hand, a dual 2.5 Mac Pro from the first gen is easily triple that, with no more than 50% increase in performance (most of which is due to DDR2 RAM) -- -- Illirik Smirnov Chaotic Neutral since 1997 A Charisma of 28 will seduce the dragon on a 14 or higher... 20? Oh well, I suppose you get the treasure. They see me rollin, they hatin; patrollin, tryin to catch me rollin nat one Ron Paul // Jello Biafra 2012: For A Better America= Proud member of the Enloe HS Debate Team: At Least Someone Placed On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 8:25 AM, JohnCarmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Feb 17, 2012, at 8:16 PM, Joshua Lewis wrote: The second hand Mac pros are way better than the G5. The Mac pros have better reliability They run cooler and quieter than the Powermac G5. They have Intel processors which mean it can run the latest mac os x and latest programs and boot camp windows. Im not saying that you shouldn't buy a Powermac G5 but any second hand mac pro 2006 or later would be a better choice its more cost effective wise than the G5. The thing you do give up with the Mac Pro is the ability to run Tiger and Classic. Otherwise the Mac Pro is a nice machine. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Buying a G5
As an owner of many Delphi G5s, they're pretty much fine if you can smell burning before they set your house on fire. All jest aside, its OK. -- -- Illirik Smirnov Chaotic Neutral since 1997 A Charisma of 28 will seduce the dragon on a 14 or higher... 20? Oh well, I suppose you get the treasure. They see me rollin, they hatin; patrollin, tryin to catch me rollin nat one Ron Paul // Jello Biafra 2012: For A Better America= Proud member of the Enloe HS Debate Team: At Least Someone Placed On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Jeff Bequette jbeque...@tconl.com wrote: I went from a beige to a G5 and the only mistake I made was buying the low end (june 04 DP1.8) 1. only slots for 4gig Ram. 2. only supports 2 internal Hard drives. 3. GeForce FX 5200 is a weak video card and getting weaker. If you have the $$, look around for a used intel Mac Pro, CWI often has good prices (about half the cost of new) that's my .02. Jeff On Feb 17, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Avid_Fan wrote: Hello All! I am in the market to upgrade to a Power Mac G5. I'm the proud owner of a G4 MDD Dual 867. I got a little stung by the fan noise issue which I did not know about at the time. Now I'm about to go for a G5 are there any quirks between the various models I should know about? I'm looking at G5 Dual Processor machines from 2Ghz and up. Cheers, Evan -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-**list.shtmlhttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/**lists/netiquette.shtmlhttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/g3-5-list http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Buying a G5
the Mac Pro is nice and all, but the fact remains that Intelness adds significant to the price. Hereabouts, a pristine dual 2.5 G5 sans RAM, video, and HDD (since personal preferences matter so much, when our little circle swaps machines we do so like this) can be had for ~$100; that means the whole shebang can be under $200 depending on the amount of RAM you want (if you're like me and have a lot of 256 and 512MB sticks lying around, 8 slots means that you can have plenty using a bunch of small sticks in matched pairs of capacity, not speed or brand). On the other hand, a dual 2.5 Mac Pro from the first gen is easily triple that, with no more than 50% increase in performance (most of which is due to DDR2 RAM) -- -- Illirik Smirnov Chaotic Neutral since 1997 A Charisma of 28 will seduce the dragon on a 14 or higher... 20? Oh well, I suppose you get the treasure. They see me rollin, they hatin; patrollin, tryin to catch me rollin nat one Ron Paul // Jello Biafra 2012: For A Better America= Proud member of the Enloe HS Debate Team: At Least Someone Placed On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 8:25 AM, JohnCarmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Feb 17, 2012, at 8:16 PM, Joshua Lewis wrote: The second hand Mac pros are way better than the G5. The Mac pros have better reliability They run cooler and quieter than the Powermac G5. They have Intel processors which mean it can run the latest mac os x and latest programs and boot camp windows. Im not saying that you shouldn't buy a Powermac G5 but any second hand mac pro 2006 or later would be a better choice its more cost effective wise than the G5. The thing you do give up with the Mac Pro is the ability to run Tiger and Classic. Otherwise the Mac Pro is a nice machine. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 quad
As an owner of several liquid G5s (although no quads; all Delphi systems), I have never had any issues (although with the number of G5s I have and their age, law of averages says I should be in trouble soon). I have, however, seen one that has had these issues, and it's fairly obvious when you open the case and remove the side panel. The key to successful maintenance of a Delphi water cooling system in G5s is to ensure that the computer has time to cool off (idle, sleep, or not be on) after prolonged periods of high CPU usage. If the computer has ambient temps above 70-75F, try to keep it cool by aiming fans at open side panel and back. Do not remove the side plastic panel during operation because it routes the air very well. If you do these, Delphi systems should work well; they tend to fail only if used significantly more than average for their time (but as we strain duals and even quads more and more, this becomes less and less by modern technology standards). -- -- Illirik Smirnov On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Jack Countryman jcoun...@mac.com wrote: If you can go look at it in person, as opposed to buying blind over the net, I'd look very carefully at the liquid cooling system, checking for any evidence that coolant has started to leak, or run down inside the case. Best option might be to pull processors and the power supply to look closely at those as well as the inside of the case, but doubtful they will let you do that prior to a sale. Check which cooling system is in there...Panasonic is probably a plus. Though I've got a dual 2.7 with a the Delco/Delphi system that has no problems so far (knock on wood). If possible, get them to start it up and smell around that part of the machine...or for that matter smell even if not running, as the odor of burning antifreeze is distinct and lingers. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Old Mac monitor?
The Mac IIsi was a pizza-box desktop... (It has a little bit of special meaning because it was my first computer growing up) -- -- Illirik Smirnov Chaotic Neutral since 1997 A Charisma of 28 will seduce the dragon on a 14 or higher... 20? Oh well, I suppose you get the treasure. They see me rollin, they hatin; patrollin, tryin to catch me rollin nat one Ron Paul // Jello Biafra 2012: For A Better America= Proud member of the Enloe HS Debate Team: At Least Someone Placed On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jan 2, 2012, at 3:20 PM, John Callahan wrote: I have an old Mac monitor that is called a Mac IIe on its shipping carton. I used it about twenty years ago with a Mac IIse. Is anyone familiar with that monitor model? Well, there never was a 'Mac IIse' You're thinking of a Mac IIsi perhaps? An old Mac-compatible monitor can be used on any modern system with the appropriate adapter: http://phoenix.ebayclassifieds.com/electronics/mesa/apple-mac-vga-590-0322-a-monitor-adapter-148/?ad=15420504 This is even still available, maybe...it at least shows you what you need to look for. This takes a VGA output and connects it to an old-style Mac DB-15 monitor. Harder to find than the MUCH more common Mac video out to vga adapter, like this: http://www.computercablestore.com/Mac_to_PC_Monitor_Adapter_PID945.aspx -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 23 HD Cinema display pink smudges
Gorilla glass is something like $20 for enough to cover a 3-4 screen
(as I recall when reading about the amount of money Microsoft lost on
the Zune HDs, of which I am a proud owner), so it would be infinite
money for an iMac. It's tempered.
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On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote:
At 6:54 PM -0500 12/25/2011, Louis Labrie wrote:
I've seen the pressure artifacts before but never this color or hold for
so long. they are almost completely gone. I will be more careful when
cleaning this display.I have a new 27 iMac 2.7 i5 these have glass covering
the actual display correct? I have plenty of of flat panel displays that
have never shown this is it just the HD display?
All TFT-LCDs are pressure sensitive. Some just have better protection than
others.
Yes, the iMac's front is glass. hum. Not sure if it's tempered or gorilla
tho; probably the former as the latter is awfully expensive still.
...Gorilla Glass is a Corning product, an alkali-aluminosilicate (aka
transparent aluminium). It's used by Apple on iPhone, iPad, etc.
- Dan.
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Re: Reasons to upgraded from 10.4.11 to 10.5.8
On the topic of speed, my personal experience on 10.4 v 10.5:
10.5 uses more RAM than 10.4.
10.5 uses the same amount of CPU as 10.4.
10.4 wants at least 1GB. 10.5 wants at least 1.5GB, with 2GB being best.
10.4 will be OK on a 700MHz G4, and is best on a 1-1.5GHz G4. 10.5
will be the same.
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On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Valter Prahlad
valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it wrote:
Il giorno 24-12-2011 21:48, Junk Smith ha scritto:
I have a G4 MDD 867Mhz with 2GB ram operating as a file server. I am
looking for reasons on why I should/shouldn't upgrade to Leopard?
I'm no tech expert :-) but unless you specifically need Leopard to run
Leopard-compatible apps, I can't see a reason to upgrade.
AFAIK, Leopard has not been very much loved, many people found it kind of an
intermediate step towards Snow Leopard.
Besides, many users reported it's slower (like 5-15%) than Tiger.
Maybe because of security updates since Tiger isn't updated (and
hasn't been in a while) anymore?
I don't think there are real threats around.
I'm using Tiger with Internet, and I had zero problems. I heard nobody using
OSX and getting any malware (unless they blindly clicked OK on suspect
windows appearing out of nowhere ;-).
Just my 2c.
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Re: bots
Also, I enjoy throttling down my network bandwidth to kill everything
that uses the network that you launched, and throttle the bandwidth
down to something tiny (say 20kbits/s) and checking how the background
CPU usage changes. If it falls severely, then you may have a bot.
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On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Edward Treen ted.tr...@btinternet.com wrote:
On 23 Dec 2011, at 16:16, Bruce Johnson wrote:
On Dec 23, 2011, at 7:34 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:
Listers,
I recently got a message from Xfinity (my internet provider) that there may
be a BOT on one or more of my computers.
IMMEDIATE ATTENTION REQUIRED
Dear XFINITY Customer, Constant Guard from XFINITY identified that one or
more of your computers may be infected with a bot. A bot is a malicious form
of software that is used to send spam, host a phishing site, or steal your
identity by monitoring your keystrokes without your knowledge. It may be
possible you are unaware that your computer is infected with a bot. We
strongly recommend you visit XFINITY.com/BotAssistance for important
information on how to remove malicious software from your computer(s). We
appreciate your prompt attention to this important security notice.
Sincerely, Constant Guard from XFINITY This is a service-related email.
Comcast will occasionally send you service-related emails to inform you of
service upgrades or new benefits to your Comcast High-Speed Internet service.
Well, you are correct in that Macs are highly unlikely to be infected with
malware..you are also correct in not touching anything 'Norton' other than a
motorcycle :-)
Two suggestions:
1) If you feel the need to run virus/malware detection use ClamXAv
http://www.clamxav.com/, free and it works, and it doesn't fubar your
computer.
2) Use a tool like Little Snitch
http://www.obdev.at/products/littlesnitch/index.html, Private Eye
http://osxdaily.com/2011/10/28/monitor-network-connections-mac-os-x-private-eye/
(10.7 only, apparently), Open Ports
http://cs.lth.se/kontakt/peter_moller/script/open_portssh_en/ or the like
to see what's connecting to the outside world. A machine running a bot eill
be VERY obvious. I've seen infected windows machines make 500 connections
within 30 seconds of starting up and seeing the network. (Windows computers
on a domain will normally have 10 or so tcp/ip or udp connections at start)
3) hardcore geeks can use lsof which lists all open files and ports on your
computer. Comparing that to ps aux you can find hidden processes that a
hacked ps has been set to ignore. At that point your Mac is rooted, and the
only solution is to nukepave the os. This is vanishingly unlikely. Youn are
more likely to be hit with a meteorite than have something like this
running...
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Bruce,
Yet again you've educated me. Was unaware of Private Eye - it's now installed
and I love it.
Thanks
Ted (UK)
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Re: hd
Well, SDDs are now price competitive a bit sooner than we'd like. Illirik Smirnov He's a phreak on a leash- 3-time winner: Keynesian beauty contest Proud member of the Enloe HS Debate Team: At Least Someone Placed Proudly Chaotic Neutral since 1997 PGP doesn't work as well as you think it does. If you would use it, just meet me face to face. Nonetheless, if this message is signed, my public key is in the MIT database under my name. On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.comwrote: I thought something was a bit strange... I looked on Newegg the other day and couldn't believe what a 1TB hard drive would cost me! $150! I bought a 1TB a few months ago for around $50 shipped! -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: hd
If you need a bare drive, just crack open an external. 1TB $79 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136469cm_sp=Cat_Hard_Drives-_-Weekend_Sale-_-22-136-469 2TB $99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136471cm_sp=Cat_Hard_Drives-_-Weekend_Sale-_-22-136-471 although the bare drives are something like 2008 prices Illirik Smirnov He's a phreak on a leash- 3-time winner: Keynesian beauty contest Proud member of the Enloe HS Debate Team: At Least Someone Placed Proudly Chaotic Neutral since 1997 PGP doesn't work as well as you think it does. If you would use it, just meet me face to face. Nonetheless, if this message is signed, my public key is in the MIT database under my name. On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Illirik Smirnov illir...@gmail.com wrote: Well, SDDs are now price competitive a bit sooner than we'd like. Illirik Smirnov He's a phreak on a leash- 3-time winner: Keynesian beauty contest Proud member of the Enloe HS Debate Team: At Least Someone Placed Proudly Chaotic Neutral since 1997 PGP doesn't work as well as you think it does. If you would use it, just meet me face to face. Nonetheless, if this message is signed, my public key is in the MIT database under my name. On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.comwrote: I thought something was a bit strange... I looked on Newegg the other day and couldn't believe what a 1TB hard drive would cost me! $150! I bought a 1TB a few months ago for around $50 shipped! -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: TenFourFox
Because of some daft programmers who decided that we don't need Flash anymore on the Internet, Flash as well as every other plugin are disabled by default in TFF6 and higher. You have three options for dealing with Flash content: 1) Install both TFF5 and TFF7 and use one/other for flash/noflash (although you cant run more than one at a time) 2) Use other software to handle Flash videos (MacTubes for Youtube, etc) 3) Follow these steps to enable plugins in TFF6+: 1) Type into addressbar about:config 2) Accept disclaimer 3) Search plugins 4) Switch the option enable plugins (or something like that) to true 5) Restart TFF I like 3 the best. Don't you? Fair disclaimer: Flash 10.1 doesn't work on some sites and has security holes in it; proceed at own risk. With endless love, Illirik Smirnov (3nk1) Chaotic Neutral since 1997 PGP doesn't work as well as you think it does. If you would use it, just meet me face to face. Nonetheless, if this message is signed, my public key is in the MIT database under my name. On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 1:35 PM, QuoVadis eelcovanv...@home.nl wrote: Does that mean that the latest release will not work with Flash Player 10.1? Would be a bit daft, since they're calling it TenFour. Or do you have to manually enable plugins? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: TenFourFox
Also, everyone, be sure to remember that Flash 10.1 has severe security problems. If we all lobby Adobe to release an updated version (I emailed them way back when they dropped support telling them I wouldn't buy new software till they compiled new Flash for PPC), they might actually do it. Also, MacTubes is ridiculously slow. For instance, my PBG4 1.5GHz w/ 2GB RAM plays 240p video fine in TFF even with other things running (although 360p barely runs) whereas mactubes stutters. Illirik Smirnov Chaotic Neutral since 1997 PGP doesn't work as well as you think it does. If you would use it, just meet me face to face. Nonetheless, if this message is signed, my public key is in the MIT database under my name. On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 5:18 PM, t...@nehaia.dk wrote: Den Lørdag, 1/10 2011, 07:49, Lawrence David Eden skrev: Yes, you have to enable plugins. I just learned how: Open TenFourFox and in the address bar type about config Scroll down to TenFourFox PlugIns and double click. This changes the default behavior of TenFourFox, which, (as a fellow Lister, Peter, just pointed out) is set to DISABLE. After making this simple adjustment, TenFourFox is behaving itself and displaying Flash media. Larry just so great, thank you so much - have been avoiding the upgrade from 5 for that exact reason now it works - love it and also a huge thanks to cameron for the time and effort put into this and classilla oh, btw about config didn't do it, just send me on to google - it had to be about:config - and it's the last line on the page /tina -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Car computer
I did something similar once, albeit with an iBook G4 in a backpack. I cycle, and I installed a 7 LCD into my helmet that superimposed info like speed, time, distance, etc onto two webcams on top of my helmet, facing either direction. It looked ridiculous and worked for three weeks before a car hit me and the screen and iBook were ruined. Illirik Smirnov On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 8:05 PM, john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On May 20, 5:10 pm, Brian hellcat...@gmail.com wrote: My Google-fu must not be as strong as yours, as I haven't found any yet. Found a link: http://www.webpg.net/ They have a link to OS X software, plus a bunch of other commercial sources. I think this is the one I was thinking of; but it could have been something I saw while reading Road and Track at the dentist's office last month... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 MDD ATX mods
Newegg too. The thing is that I really wouldn't dump TOO much cash into G4s, but if the kit's $30 and I owned G4s that needed them, I'd probably buy them. Good luck! Illirik Smirnov Messages are mostly sent GPG signed! Learn more about it by googling GPG. The ugly text is used to make sure it comes from me! My public key is in the MIT database under Illirik Smirnov. On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Alex Barnes kab...@gmail.com wrote: You can actually get cheap power supplies from CompUSA. I got an Ultra 500 watt supply for a gaming PC (sorry I'm not paying $1200 for an iMac with an old GPU) and it has lasted 1 year and it is still going good. On Feb 19, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Brielle wrote: Hello All, I'm actually a member of the LEM list, but I figured this would be a more appropriate place to post on given its about the G4 series. I've been working on my skills with soldering, rewiring, etc and have made really good progress with retrofitting the G4 MDD macs with ATX power supplies. I know that there was someone who was making adapter kits a while back, but he stopped doing it for one reason or another. So, my question is, if I started offering a kit/adapter for the MDD and other mac models, would anyone be interested? Its fairly trivial for me to do, and I could do something where if you sent me the wire loom from your dead power supply and let me know length, amount of hard drive power cables, etc, I'd be willing to build custom kits on request. If I could find a source for the proper molex connectors to plug into the G4 mobo, it would be even easier to build the kits. In the end, it would probably be 20-40 bucks total per kit, versus 100+ for a new power supply. I'm a big fan of the classic mac and power mac series, so bringing these machines back to life is a hobby of mine, and it just doesn't seem right not to offer my skills to help the mac community as a whole. Brielle -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Hard drive failing!
Hitachi seems to be doing very well. I have a 1TB drive in my Quad G5 that works fantastically, with 64MB! cache. Paid $129ish for it last year; got it from a local parts store. Better than the old IBM DeathStars they inherited. Either way, I'd take 1TB/64M/7200 over 2TB/32M/7200. Most important is the rev speed followed by the cache. I want to upgrade to a 10K drive, but none are cheap and work with my beloved Gs. On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:35 PM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 5:14 PM -0500 1/31/2011, John Callahan wrote: why would a 32 MB cache, same drive, be cheaper than a 16MB cache drive? As technology advances the newer components end up being less expensive than the older. But really, HD pricing has very little to do with specifications, these days. It's all about sales, rebates, and volume - and vendors betting that consumers are too stoopid to google around. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dual G5 Dilemma
I'd trade a stock card for a flashed one! My dual needs a new one for UT2004... The G5 is still a great piece of hardware and it is not unwise to keep it in spite of its few issues. On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 11:18 AM, imrazor evol...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 27, 6:24 am, dc dbc...@verizon.net wrote: On Jan 26, 3:50 pm, imrazor evol...@gmail.com wrote: I'm facing a dilemma about what to do with my (formerly) trusty dual G5. When I first got it used about two or three years ago, the package was damaged in shipping and warped the chassis, such that the G5 tilts to one side. Up until recently, the G5 worked fine in spite of that. Recently, however, the optical drive has quit ejecting properly. If you force open the tray, you can get it to eject with a paper clip, but that's rather inconvenient. I bought a used G5 in the same condition several years ago. I was able to fix the optical drive issue by removing the drive and adjusting the small mounting screws on the bottom. I ran the G5 for several years with a paperback book under the damaged corner (there, I fixed it!). Last summer I decided to really fix it and I transplanted everything into a used case that I picked up from the LEM swap list. I don't recommend that. It took me all day, plus searching around several hardware stores for the right tool to remove the processors. I'd suggest you first try to sell it as is. Thanks for the feedback, folks. It seems the best idea is not to part it out. I may try to sell it as a whole unit after dropping the stock video card back in, and selling the upgraded card seperately. I think it still has some value, even if it is a flashed PC card. As for the G5 itself, I think I'll try propping it up with a/some book(s), and perhaps adjusting the optical drive mounting screws. Sooner or later, I'll probably end up freecycling it... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fwd: my mac don´t have correct display image
Uhh, we need a LOT more info. Please provide for greatliest service and goodness by happy email list. On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Geke gevangaste...@googlemail.com wrote: Display: So what do you see? No installations: Do you mean you can’t install programs? Which ones have you tried? Which version OS are you using? Do you have administrator rights? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Illirik Smirnov Messages are mostly sent GPG signed! Learn more about it by googling GPG. The ugly text is used to make sure it comes from me! My public key is in the MIT database under Illirik Smirnov. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Unstable PowerMac G4
On 1/30/2011 7:46 PM, Deaner Lawless Jr. wrote: Hi All, Setup: PM G4 1.25gH, Model M8570, 80GB HD, 1 GB RAM, either a Nividia Geforce4 Ti or a ATI Radeon 9000 Pro both have 128 MB of VRAM, OS 10.4.11, Geekbench result 771-785. Very clean cabinet in and out. No signs of damage in or out. Symptom: Will boot and operate properly. With or without activity will freeze with no repeatability. If it goes to sleep it will wake up but not respond consistently. What I have tried: 1) Different configurations (1-256, 2-256, 4-256, 1-512, 2-512, 4-512) of RAM and manufactures. Ran Memtest on all and tested sat. 2) Both video cards. 3) Reformatted the internal HD. Wrote zeros to it in erase mode. 4) Fresh install of OS 10.4.6 upgraded to 10.4.11 using a downloaded copy of OS 10.4.11 Combo Updater. No other third party software other than Geekbench. 5) New PRAM battery. Voltage installed with power removed is 3.6Vdc. Reset PRAM. 6) Booted on a XHD with 10.4.11 7) Booted on a XHD with 10.3.4 8) Booted on the internal drive with OS 9.2.2 9) Booted on all of the above OSs with the internal HD and optical drive disconnect. 10) Safe boot. (Wish it were like OS 9, and back, where you could select what was being enabled and disabled) 11) Single user mode. 12) All PCI and external devices removed/disconnected. KB and mouse are connected. Findings: 1) Least stable on OS 10.4.11 booted on either an internal or external HD but has never frozen in safe boot or single user mode. 2) Stable on OS 9.2.2 and OS 10.3.4. 3) No different effect with different RAM configurations. 4) No different effect with either video card installed. 5) One of the three fans audible sounds like it slows when I connect a bus powered portable 2.5 FW drive. Fan pitch also goes down when running Geekbench. I believe it is the main cabinet fan. Ultimate I want to set this up with my main TV to stream children's videos, run OS 9 (in classic) and OS 10.4.X preschool educational and game applications, and play online applications such as found at the Disney site. Any help, advice, or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. R/ Deaner If 10.4 doesn't work well, it could be memory speeds. Do they all have the same speed? Are they all Apple original? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How much do you think this Quicksilver is worth?
I'd say $200, for people who want fastest OS9 support. Mainly for the SATA. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 24, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Alex wrote: I have a Quicksilver that has a dual 1.27 Sonnet Encore ST/G4 Duet (originally a dual 800), an ATI Radeon 9800 (128 MB) GPU, a 5 port USB 2.0 card (4 on the outside 1 on the inside) and a eSATA, SATA, and IDE card (all in one card). It runs Leopard very well and it is in good condition. It cost me around $300 + my iMac G4 to get all the upgrades. How much do you think I can get for it? 2 things one is that MDD's are less than 2 bills for the 1.42 dual variety on ebay (just looked) and two, I'm curious which combo card you got that supports esata, sata, and ide? I need one of those:-) Jeff Engle -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How should a family of five share one computer?
Sounds good. Those G4 duals are fantastic little computers, and she probably would love it. Those middle school age kids would love a computer. Myself being an HS student, I couldn't imagine getting through 8th and 9th GD without my trusty Wallstreet. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Nov 21, 2010, at 8:38 AM, Michael Emery wrote: Some of ya'll are managers of computer systems both large and small, and have lots of valuable experience. I'm thinking of installing Leopard and providing a Time Machine backup hard drive. Would you recommend that I give them one admin account on the Quicksilver, known only by the mom, and one guest account for each family member to use? And of course, I will train them all the best I can. Took the words right out of my mouth. That's the way I'd go. Also consider appropriate Parental Control setups for the kid's accounts. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Dual processors not bad?
Off topic, but I filled my coolant system with this oil that doesn't harm the components inside. So that when it leaks twice a year the cleanup is easy. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:15 AM, ah...clem boneheads...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 12, 11:51 pm, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: I got ASD 2.5.7 and upon booting and selecting the Thermal calibration is says calibration not needed. And It will not allow the initiation of the calibration operation, however the ASD 2.5.8 says not needed but will let me try anyway. So I think that the 2.5.8 may produce a false reading if calibration is not needed. And again the OS and OF passed all two hours of it :-) what exactly did the ASD report as the specific test failed when it said the processor needed replaced? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 Dual processors not bad?
I'm not sure. I got it off of a friend who had some because of his computer that is literally filled with this oil. http://www.flixxy.com/mineral-oil-cooled-computer.htm Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Andy andy.the...@gmail.com wrote: Off topic, but I filled my coolant system with this oil that doesn't harm the components inside. Which oil is that? Andy -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Which used Mac to buy?
Whats so bad? Cleaning up the Mountain Dew is FUN! Get a used C2D Mac Mini. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 2:52 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Nov 13, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Tom wrote: After several years of daily use, my trusty G5 2.0 is headed for the boneyard--it's showing the symptoms of power-supply failure. So rather than muck around in its innards trying to revive it, which I don't have either the time or experience to do, I'm looking for a replacement, probably off Ebay. I'd like a quicker Mac anyway, and this is my excuse to get one. The Question: which Mac to replace it with? I don't have the cash for a brand new one, so should I get another G5, only a later and better one? Or should I step up to a used Intel Mac? I've always been impressed with the level of expertise and wisdom shown by the participants of this board, so I'm putting it up to you guys. I'm running Leopard 10.5 and Final Cut Pro 5, Adobe CS2 which includes Photoshop 9 and InDesign 4, and various other apps that work great with 10.5. I don't have a lot of money for updating my software, especially Final Cut, so should I stick with 10.5, or go for an Intel Mac that can run 10.6? If I use 10.6, will all these old apps of mine continue to work with it, or is it necessary to upgrade all the software to work with an Intel-based Mac? These are things I don't know. If I stick with a G5, I'd like to get a faster one than my 2.0 GHz DP, just to reduce all those long rendering times in Final Cut a little. So if I go for a faster G5, which is the best model to look for? Or rather, which are the ones NOT to look for, such as those famously leaky liquid-cooled ones? I'd appreciate any advice you guys might have on which Mac I should get before I go hunting for one on Ebay. I love the liquid cooled models because I like to work on Mac's :-) however my advice to you on the cash side of things I would get an Imac Intel 2.8 or up and stick to 10.5.8 as long as you can hold out on the software issues. I have Snow Leopard too but cost wise I like to be able to be backward compatible wherever possible. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IS the world about to change ?
This is the reason that I really don't care about new Apple products. I use what I use, and when something of mine breaks I look for the thing that does what it used to do in the nicest, cheapest, and fastest way possible. New apple products don't do things that my old Apple (and other manufacturers) products do faster, nor nicer, nor cheaper. On 10/22/10, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 3:24 PM + 10/22/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: Yeah, NAND cycles and SD vs HD is what this thread is about and not the fact that I was inspired by LION and Apple/Jobs going deep to the dark side is what this is about I think Apple is simply responding to customer desires, good or bad. People want laptops that are more rugged and have better battery life. Currently, the HD is a problem - it is fragile and a power pig. So replacing it with SSD makes sense. WRT the life of the device... Remember, these machines use Intel parts - so they are simply not designed to have a life beyond 3 years or so. For the *average* user that is overstocked with RAM, paging to the SSD will be minimal. And since those users only do a trivial amount of photo editing... probably the SSD will be ok, at least for the life of their AppleCare contract. At 3:30 PM + 10/22/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: Well oh yeah, I'll tell you what you can do with your turning the thread about the complexities of Apple going to the dark side and hurting low enders from the real meaning of SD versus HDs and the NANO cycles etc. Much more important that you poor people concerned about how you can make money if Apple keeps up their S*it! SD vs HD is the crux of modern economics don't you GET it you indigent B77tard! The discussion of SSD vs HD is legit - it's going to be a BIG part of Lion's standard environment. Threads drift. Get over it. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Over clocking G4
400MHz would be a Yikes! model. PCI GFX, AGP GFX, or Gigabit Ethernet is unknown. What kind of graphics and what kind of ethernet does it have? Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Alex kab...@gmail.com wrote: Which Mac is it though? On Oct 12, 9:45 am, stevo137 stevo...@hotmail.com wrote: I have a Power Pc G4 400mb processor, 80gb harddrive, 1gb memory. On Oct 8, 12:06 pm, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: On 2010/10/08 10:09, stevo137 wrote: I have a G4 Power PC and I am wondering if you can over clock it and how safe is it? That depends. If you are thinking of adjusting voltage and clock timings in 'BIOS' the answer is no. Certain models used resisters on the logic board to set CPU speed, bus speed, etc… But those are older models and it's not as easy as overclocking in the Windows world. And then there were some CPU upgrades available for some Mac models that would increase the CPU clock speed, but you were still stuck with a fairly slow bus speed. There have been some successful board transplants, such as a 1.25 GHz board into a 1 GHz Power Mac, or a 1.25 GHz board into a 700/800 MHz iMac. Your options depend entirely on what MODEL of Mac you have and WHICH G4 Power PC is in it. The list can be of more help if you are more specific in your request. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2, 1.25 GHz G4, 2 GB RAM, GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64 MB DDR Power Mac June 04, 2 GHz G5 DP, 8 GB RAM, GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256 MB PowerBook G4 15 Hi-Res DL-SD, 1.67 GHz G4, Radeon 9700 128 MB DDR -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
MIDI
Simple question: Do any powermacs* that are capable of running Audacity*have MIDI ports? I would splurge and get $10 for a connector for my G5, but I have access to pretty much every model of PMac if I ask nicely enough. Sent from a 100% Microsoft Free computer. The computer running this has no more than 50MB of nonfree binaries. Go free software! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Writing on the wall...
We need a real webforum... I'd be glad to host one. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 7:24 AM -0700 8/27/2010, Ashgrove wrote: [FIrefox] just become unstable in all my Macs, G4s as well as Intel --unstable meaning that it reloaded some pages over and over, especially Google-related pages, like my Gmail account and Google groups. I ran into this the other day. Turned out to be caused by some add-on that a friend had installed into Firefox, farking around with javascripts. At 8:02 AM -0700 8/27/2010, john CARMONNE wrote: How does a browser affect the gmail accounts or any email accounts? I'm having a lot of duplicate stuff from the lists lately The browser has nothing to do with it, unless you're using the web-based interfaces for those services. The dups from Google Groups is a system-wide glitch; supposedly being fixed. Nothing to do with your browser or email client or and virtually unable to post. No clue what that means. I've gotten a few posts late, and seen a few of my own delayed some hours. But that doesn't affect Google Groups reliability at all. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Writing on the wall...
Who uses Firefox? Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: http://www.macnn.com/articles/10/08/25/technical.hurdles.impede.powerpc.support/ Firefox 4 will very likely be Intel only. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Writing on the wall...
Oh. That could be a problem for you. You could always just use another browser, like Opera or Konqueror (I have a love/hate relationship with Safari. Don't ask.) Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Yersinia yersi...@verizon.net wrote: Illirik writes, Who uses Firefox? My boyfriend does. I have it on my Quicksilver and iBook for him to use when he's here if he doesn't bring one of his laptops (he has a Windoze one for work and also an iBook), but for me alone it's just a backup browser -- I like Safari...don't ask... ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC image bootable?
http://tinyurl.com/2g646lf Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:35 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi all I want to know before I take a chance here if a CCC image is bootable I see the option as a read only image so can that image be booted? Also can I restore a volume with it? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: latest mac mini for 10.4.11
Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Dan Palka turboda...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 23, 2010, at 9:52 PM, Illirik Smirnov wrote: I like my G5 tower more than my computer lab's Mac Minis. That exact G5 is far slower than even the base-model Mac Mini of today in Geekbench scores, and you're not even considering that only with Snow Leopard has 64-bit software been brought to the end-user in a very big way, which will never happen on a G5. Ever. So, all of the G5-optimized 64-bit code was never used? I sure do use it. Only if you're specifically running multi-core, memory-intensive old PowerPC-native versions of apps would you see a G5 win in performance standpoint. And if I'm not running multi-core, memory-intensive apps, what am I doing? Well, browsing the web and listening to music, and other simple tasks, for which both are adequate. It should generally be much faster to run CS5 on a Mac Mini than CS4 on your G5 for example. Except for the fact that CS5 does not support most of the plugins that I and many others use and that there are simply no equivalent ones avail. Ditto for just about anything else. And this is the Mac Mini we're talking about -- we're not even in the same ballpark if we start talking about iMacs or Mac Pros. I don't know what exactly you mean by more standards. At the very best, the G5 uses cutting-edge standards of 2004 or 2005. Mac Minis are perfectly standards-compliant today. Right now. Well, I'd like to see what kinds of standards-compliant disk drives and CPU sockets are in the Mac Minis. I am talking about the other machines because they are the ONLY Intel machines that can equal the memory and storage capacities of the G5. I am looking into upgrading (for less than $200) to dual 2TB disk drives for my G5. What kind of Mac Mini can fit 4TB of hard disks? Yes, I (and many others) would USE all 4,GB of that space, more than EIGHT TIMES the storage capacity of the Mac Mini -- the topend model. The fact of the matter is Apple and the industry rejected PowerPC years ago. It's not going to be much longer before you won't even be able to use current versions of basic necessities like Safari on your G5. Are you still going to cling to PowerPC then? Yes, many makers rejected such architectures as SPARC. However, using SPARC as an example, if I may, I can run all sorts of open-source applications in SPARC boxes, including CURRENT versions of Firefox, Konqueror, KDE, and many other apps. And all this for an archetecture older and less proliferated than PowerPC. I can't see it going away anytime soon. We are here to help each other out, as owners of PowerPC systems that continue to use them for whatever purposes that we do. I have G4s and even 603s running in my house still currently. However, we should not kid ourselves, or others who seek our advice, by seriously recommending new purchases of PowerPC equipment for any reason other than a hobbyist pursuit, as if to ignore the state of the Macintosh platform and the assured EOL that approaches these systems faster every day. And the assured EOL that approaches every new Intel Mac, as well as EVERY COMPUTER EVER MADE! I can't use an IBM PC for the same work as my Core 2 Quad tower, even though they are both Intel-powered machines. Just saying it won't be supported someday could be an argument for the aforementioned every computer ever made. PowerPC. PageMill. AppleWorks. Mac OS Classic. We've pushed these technologies farther than their own engineers ever imagined they could possibly go. The end really is near. Some of us old timers who so vigorously advocated and evangelized the way have long ago come to terms with and accepted the inevitable. I'm disappointed that so many still seem unable or unwilling to leave the past behind. I am not unwilling to leave the point behind. In fact, if all of you must know, I am not as old as most of you would think. Here's a hint: I was born after the Mac II was released. Five years after it was released. The first computer I every bought with my own money was a G3 BW used. We are not all old cooks who don't want to buy a new computer. I just recently bought a PC tower, but still use my Mac, and actually like it more. It really is better on the Intel side of the fence. Some day soon you will see that. No response. /rant -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4
Re: latest mac mini for 10.4.11
I like my G5 tower more than my computer lab's Mac Minis. It is faster, has more RAM and hard disk space, runs PPC apps natively, resulting in huge speed boosts, is more servicable, can use VGA and ADC monitors natively with the right video card(s), more reliable, uses slightly more standard and less expensive parts, runs cooler, and is more expandable than a brand new Mac Mini. Care to look at a direct comparison? Quad PMac G5 2500MHz Quad G5 with 4 additional AltiVec processors Most will have 4-8GB of RAM (mine has 8), and 8 1GB DDR memory sticks off of LEM swap list should be under $100 even if its not included Most have at least 500GB of HDD space (mine has 2x500GB), and 2TB drives cost $100 even if its not included $600ish (Mine was $300 INCLUDING monitor) VS Dual Core Intel Mac Mini 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo (slower) 2GB of RAM (less) 320GB HDD (less) $699 OK, so no one really gets the base model. Let's configure one to have the specs of a G5 Quad (or as close as we can get). Dual Core Intel Mac Mini (high end) 2.66GHz Core 2 Duo (still slower) 8GB of RAM 500GB HDD $1449 Oh, well if you want that much computer, just get a Mac Pro. Base model Mac Pro 2.8GHz glorified Core i7 (only 25-30% faster than the G5's CPU) 3GB of RAM (STILL LESS!) 1TB HDD $2499 With 8GB of RAM it's $2874. Hmm... Which seems like a better deal to me? Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Dan Palka turboda...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Aug 23, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Dan Palka wrote: it really is time to move on. Snow Leopard on an Intel Mac is an amazing, highly-refined, ultra-powerful combination. I wouldn't downgrade for anything. Great, I think we all know this already, but most either already own PPC Macs or can't afford a new Intel Mac. The name of this list is G3-5 list, it's specifically for PPC Macs. Perhaps you should be moving on to one of the Intel lists? Or I can stay here and give the best and most appropriate advice where necessary. G-Macs are great fun and all, and I probably own more of them than most people on this list, but when someone says they are refusing for whatever reason to upgrade to Snow Leopard and/or Intel Macs, there is clearly some misconception going there that needs to be cleared up. Early 2006 Intel Mac prices are free-falling. Someone here is talking about buying G5s and all kinds of nonsense just for the sake of Classic. I say don't waste your money. I cannot emphasize how urgent and beneficial it is for you to jump into Intel and Snow Leopard, and the modern world of Mac applications. I agree with your premise that OS X applications can normally replace Classic applications, and that using MacOS is probably not the best idea these days. However, I disagree with the idea that Snow Leopard offers any substantial improvements over Leopard, after all, the ONLY thing Snow Leopard is doing is converting Leopard from 32-bit Universal Intel/PPC code over to 64-bit Intel-only code. The idea of paying Apple $29 to clean-up and purge their deadwood code seems a little far fetched to me. Leopard 10.5.8 works perfectly for almost all applications, Intel or PPC. Snow Leopard offers few improvements, and many minor growing headaches. OK, fine. Time to upgrade from Mac OS 9 to Leopard if you need to nit-pick about your pennies that much. There is no reason for anyone to purposely refuse to upgrade to (Snow) Leopard which is what sounds like the OP was doing. As I said above, if you believe how urgent and beneficial it is for you to jump into Intel and Snow Leopard then you should also jump into one of the Intel lists, and leave G3-5 list to us who still find value in G3-5 PPC Macs. On Aug 23, 2010, at 8:41 AM, Eric Herbert wrote: Upgrading to Snow Leopard on an Intel Mini is a MASSIVE leap forward. Not only is it a lot more stable and polished, but it's MUCH faster than Tiger on the Intels. Join us in the 21st century and make your life a little easier! Comparing Snow Leopard on an Intel Mac to Tiger on a PPC Mac isn't a fair comparison. The cost factor is just as MASSIVE as the performance increase, perhaps larger? The sweet spot of price/performance ratio is still within the PPC Mac range unless you're using a hackintosh. To reiterate, this list is for G3-5 PPC Macs. It most certainly is not. As I pointed out, early Intels are reaching new lows every month. You can spend $500 - $700 on a G5 that's been officially obsoleted by Apple for a year now, or you can spend the same money and get a decent Mac Mini that will run all the current software and be useful longer. It doesn't matter what list your on. The best advice applies everywhere. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power
Re: a tale of G5 towers, a question
I just use this card from an old G4 that lets me use a PATA drive. I suppose someone was on the hunt for an SATA cable and before you got the computer took it. They can be significantly hidden, bu if you can't find them I suppose its time for cable hunting. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Aug 20, 2010, at 1:33 PM, TVirkkala wrote: I have a 1.8GHz G5 PowerMac and (as in sig below) a Dual Processor 2.3GHz PowerMac. The latter lacks the connector to add a second internal hard drive; it does possess the power connector. My 1.8GHz, which I am going to sell/give away, does possess a second, connected-and-working internal hard drive. Is it possible -- easy? -- to take the data connector from the 1.8GHz G5 and put it on the DP2.3GHZ G5? I think you've missed something here. The dual G5 should have both SATA cables for two HDs. One set of cables comes from above the HD space, the other set of cables comes from below the HD space. Either set can be somewhat hidden if they're retracted back into the slots that house them. There should be mounting screws, the special hemispherical ones, for a 2nd HD mounted onto the plastic wall of the HD fan housing. If you don't have the correct cables screws for a 2nd HD this means someone has removed them previously. The G5 takes standard SATA cables, preferably with matching bends to the OEM Apple cables. The mounting screws are harder to come by, and many people have modified other screws to work successfully. If you need even more HDs, the Sonnet G5 Jive bracket works will, and the Firmtek Seritek SATA cards are the best option if you need bootable HDs within a G5 Jive unit. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB plug case sparks
You may have a coolant leak that conducts electricity from the PSU to your USB device. Just an insane thought, but it happened to me. Has the computer had any wierd operation? Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Jonas Lopez jonaslo...@yahoo.com wrote: This is from out of phase ac connection, you would be wise to get a plug checker at the electrical store, they cost about $ 5. with lights to tell you the wiring error, but you still can cause this even after the check passes the wiring by using non-polarized plugs. This is a quick fix. Also, in the primary of the Mac power supply is a resistor and a capacitor that need to reduce RFI but that can be only parlty connected, try a different Mac to see if it sparks. JML. On Aug 16, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: I've got a G5 PowerMac which has the full metal case. Last night I was plugging and unplugging a powered USB hub in the dark, and I noticed that simply touching the metal of the USB plug to the metal of the case caused a small visible spark between the plug and the case. This seems wrong to me, and I'm a little worried. The spark was very tiny, but it was consistent, and wasn't enough to do anything abnormal like pop a fuse or ruin anything. The hub works fine still, but somehow this seems wrong. Has anyone else seen sparks between USB plugs and their cases? I've seen it on one of the Cubes and it's unsettling so I'm very careful about plugging in live now. I did ruin a TiBook with a power adapter 6mos ago. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Xserve q
I used to own a G4 Xserve (which I traded for a G5 PMac) and I used it as a regular desktop computer. Actually my PPC Macs are the only Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 2:27 AM, TVirkkala multi...@wirkman.com wrote: Hi, Anyone here use an Xserve as a desktop computer? Can it be done? (Previous Mac servers were, usually, just slightly differently configured Macinboxen. Xserves appear different, more strikingly different. What difference does that make, desktop-usage-wise?) Timo V PowerPC G5x2.3GHz MacBook Pro 13 / Workgroup Server 9650 / Power Macintosh 6500 / Power Macintosh 5500/Macintosh SE/30/Macintosh Classic -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 9 Apps on G5
It can't boot to OS9, though. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Ted Treen ted.tr...@btinternet.com wrote: Les wrote: Hi, I just received a PowerPC G5 1.8 DP desktop tower running OS X 10.4.11. I would like to run some old Apps like Hypercard and Final Cut Pro 2.0 on this machine. Do I need to install OS 9? Is this possible? Thanks Yes, 10.4 will support OS9 classic (10.5 won't) so you'll need to instal OS9. Ted -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Swapping Out a G5 case
Yeah, I realized that it was my favourite online server that had the issues. I can play offline extremely well (my 19 wide LCD's native res, 1200 x 800 I think) but online on the one server I play on it lags so terribly. My connection is awesome too; the ping to that sever is in the low teens (the server is literally miles from my home) and my connection's speed is maybe 8Mbps, so no issues there. The CPU doesnt sound like a big problem; the only other program I run is an instance of Firefox running my favourite Internet radio station shouldnt hold up the Quad 2.5. Oh well. Might be the literally millions of mods on that sever slowing the think down. Also, how do you carry a G5 to a LAN party? The current machine I use only weighs like 25lbs and I'm thinking about just using a laptop but a G5 just seems like masochism. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Eric Herbert goo...@hillcotechnology.comwrote: On Jul 30, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Illirik Smirnov wrote: I fit an IDE controller in a PMac G5. By attaching an external PC power supply, I managed to get an additional 40GB of space :P. Mine only has a 9800 XT pro, and I desperately want an upgrade so that I can play UT2004 online without lag. On some maps on the server I frequent, it can stay at 18-20fps at 640 x 480 at LOWEST settings! If I go to single player, I can play comfy at my 18 display's native res. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. It sounds like you have more of a CPU bottleneck or a network bottleneck rather than the graphics card. A 9800XT is WAY above the system requirements of UT2004. The game will actually play well on a Pentium 3 with a GeForce 2 graphics card, so it's not a resource intensive game at all. I should also point out that 23fps is the threshold of human vision. Below 23fps you can notice frames change, above 23fps, you can't tell the difference. Some people can tell up to about 30 fps, but beyond that, it's all bragging rights and BS. Try reinstalling the game or applying the latest patches to it and see if that helps. If not, do a network bandwidth analysis on your internet connection and see how latent your ping is. Any G5 should be able to play UT2004 at full settings comfortably. I use mine at LAN parties all the time and mine only has the 9600 in it, and I play 1280x1024 with everything cranked..not even a stutter. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Swapping Out a G5 case
Sorry to double post, but the issue with framerates is that if it STAYS at 24FPS, you probably will be able to play, but if it goes down to the teens or lower when the rockets start flying, so to speak, then it's all the better to be at 40 and go down to 20. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Illirik Smirnov illir...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I realized that it was my favourite online server that had the issues. I can play offline extremely well (my 19 wide LCD's native res, 1200 x 800 I think) but online on the one server I play on it lags so terribly. My connection is awesome too; the ping to that sever is in the low teens (the server is literally miles from my home) and my connection's speed is maybe 8Mbps, so no issues there. The CPU doesnt sound like a big problem; the only other program I run is an instance of Firefox running my favourite Internet radio station shouldnt hold up the Quad 2.5. Oh well. Might be the literally millions of mods on that sever slowing the think down. Also, how do you carry a G5 to a LAN party? The current machine I use only weighs like 25lbs and I'm thinking about just using a laptop but a G5 just seems like masochism. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Eric Herbert goo...@hillcotechnology.com wrote: On Jul 30, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Illirik Smirnov wrote: I fit an IDE controller in a PMac G5. By attaching an external PC power supply, I managed to get an additional 40GB of space :P. Mine only has a 9800 XT pro, and I desperately want an upgrade so that I can play UT2004 online without lag. On some maps on the server I frequent, it can stay at 18-20fps at 640 x 480 at LOWEST settings! If I go to single player, I can play comfy at my 18 display's native res. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. It sounds like you have more of a CPU bottleneck or a network bottleneck rather than the graphics card. A 9800XT is WAY above the system requirements of UT2004. The game will actually play well on a Pentium 3 with a GeForce 2 graphics card, so it's not a resource intensive game at all. I should also point out that 23fps is the threshold of human vision. Below 23fps you can notice frames change, above 23fps, you can't tell the difference. Some people can tell up to about 30 fps, but beyond that, it's all bragging rights and BS. Try reinstalling the game or applying the latest patches to it and see if that helps. If not, do a network bandwidth analysis on your internet connection and see how latent your ping is. Any G5 should be able to play UT2004 at full settings comfortably. I use mine at LAN parties all the time and mine only has the 9600 in it, and I play 1280x1024 with everything cranked..not even a stutter. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Swapping Out a G5 case
I fit an IDE controller in a PMac G5. By attaching an external PC power supply, I managed to get an additional 40GB of space :P. Mine only has a 9800 XT pro, and I desperately want an upgrade so that I can play UT2004 online without lag. On some maps on the server I frequent, it can stay at 18-20fps at 640 x 480 at LOWEST settings! If I go to single player, I can play comfy at my 18 display's native res. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 AM, dc dbc...@verizon.net wrote: I just replaced a G5 case. Sweet Mother of Steve Jobs, who designed these cases? Two things are apparent: 1) everything, down to the fasteners, is first class and built to last, and 2) it better last cause it's a beast to work on! I can swap out a G4 motherboard and have it up and running in under an hour but this project took me the better part of 2 days. Several years ago I bought a G5 with a mangled case off the LEM Swap List, I got it running and then hit upon a great solution for the ugly, damaged case- I bought a 28 monitor and set it in front of the G5, problem solved! Didn't even need duct tape. A few months later I purchased an empty case from the Swap List, which sat in my parts closet a year or two. I finally got around to switching over the mobo, power supply, fans, the whole works. It's up and running after about 8 hours labor and an unproductive trip to several hardware and auto parts stores looking for a 6 2.5mm hex driver. The specs: DP 1.8 GHz, 4 GB RAM (with copper heat spreaders), Airport Extreme card, GeForce 7800 GS 256 MB (flashed pc) video card, Firmtek SATA pci card with 4 internal ports, one patched to an eSATA port, generic USB2 4-port card. There is a Sonnet Jive 5 with 3 WD 320 GB SATA drives in a RAID 0 configuration which is giving me trouble, if I don't get it running soon it will be the subject of my next post. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PowerMac G5 Performance
I own a dual G5 and it is an amazing machine. I bought mine for just upwards of $150 plus $50 for a terabyte hard disk from a surplus. I'd say go for it over a mac pro. The only upside of the mac pro is that it is an Intel mac. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Eric Herbert goo...@hillcotechnology.comwrote: On Jul 26, 2010, at 9:16 AM, JoeTaxpayer wrote: It sure does. Much appreciated. I have a wife who actually tells me that we spend on her and our daughter, but I don't buy much for myself. I am green-lighted to go full Mac Pro $3K machine, but really wonder what I'll see. I suppose I should track down an owner who is encoding a DVD to TiVo, and discuss with him. If the software to do this particular task is not written to fully use multicore, it seems that I'd see little improvement over what you suggested the G5 would give me. Not an Intel discussion/ issue, but one of the application itself properly using all cores. I have 4 of these puppies (the G4 MDD) and offload the encoding to one with no monitor remotely. If the G5 at 2.5GHz /64 bit gives me the improvement, I'm not sure how much more a 3GHz machine would, depending how the SW runs. BTW - that link? Beautiful - it really gave me the comparison I was looking for. Again, thanks. I'm not sure about encoding a DVD to TiVo, but I have done a lot of encoding of uncompressed MOV files to H.264 streaming files. To give an example, with my old Dual 1 Ghz Quicksilver 2002, it would take about 20 minutes to compress a 20 minute clip. Roughly a 1:1 compression time. My Dual 2 Ghz G5 will do the same movie in anywhere from 7-10 minutes. My 13 MBP with a 2.26 Ghz Core2Duo will compress the same movie in anywhere from 5-7 minutes. I haven't compressed a DVD on my Macs in a long time, I usually dedicate the desktop PeeCee to do that since it usually sits idle anyway. Modern software is explicitly written to take advantage of the Intel platform, so you definitely do get a tremendous boost in performance. I haven't had the joy of using a MacPro personally (still too rich for my blood), but with the speeds I've experienced with my MBP and my iMac at work, I've been relatively impressed. I do wish Apple had stuck with PPC since it was one of the things that made them unique in the computer world. Nowadays I view them as a PeeCee with the privilege of running OSX. The thing to consider is the cost of what you're looking at. A Dual G5 can be had for around the $500 mark. A MacPro can be had for about 6x that with roughly twice the performance of the G5 (or more depending on how many cores it has). It really all depends on what you're looking to spend, how much of a hurry you're in, and what you really want to do with the machine. Regarding the link, I know it's old news, but I like reports with numbers, comparisons, and relatively complete testing of various aspects of the machines. I never go by synthetic benchmarks, I like to find reports of people's real-world experience with the hardware in question (hence why I give times of compression of videos I've actually compressed!). Hopefully again the above info is helpful. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Mac G5 – to buy or not to buy?
The quad is the best machine reliability wise as it has the good liquid cooling system. Try and get one with a 6800 Ultra video card. I have a quad 2.5 and a dual 2.5, and the quad is much, much faster. The quad will beat out a mac mini speed wise. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Austin Leeds firepowerforfree...@gmail.com wrote: OK, so avoid the quad? I'll agree with the peppiness factor—it really does seem faster. How about a dual 2.5 or 2.3? I'm hooking this thing up to a 480i (?) CRT via SVID, so HDTV is no factor. The big demand here is compatibilty with older hardware, which I believe the G5 would have more than a rebuilt PC. I'm considering a Mac mini vs. the G5, so I'm trying to stack the pros and cons. Thus far, the big advantage the G5 has is its speed (it may be running video game emulators) and PCI-e graphics cards. Thanks for all your advice thus far. I'm going to talk to my family, hopefully today, to discuss exactly how our home network should be laid out, including which computers we should keep/throw/upgrade/ purchase. I'll probably have some more questions after that. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ventrilo and g5 tower
I use vent for other purposes, and my line in doesnt work. Dunno why. DP 2.5 Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 3:05 PM, flags macso...@brightok.net wrote: does anyone use venrilo with world of warcraft on a G5 tower? I'm having microphone problems to headset. I can seem to get sound out. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cube vs TiBook reliablity
I have a lot of problems with FW on my Cubes. I just gave up a long time ago. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Dennis Myhand dmyh...@suddenlink.netwrote: John Carmonne wrote: On Jul 11, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jul 11, 2010, at 11:03 AM, John Carmonne wrote: I found that the FW ports on the Genesys Logic inc. housings would not mount but the USB does. Genesys Logic should be avoided at all costs. I've never seen a Genesys Logic chipset work under any OS; Windows, Linux or Mac. I've had three Genesys chipset enclosures, which I wouldn't even sell because it would be immoral to sell something that doesn't work. Instead, I disassembled them and sent the parts off to the recycler. It seems rare to find any enclosure that still uses Genesys Logic chips now, so I think they've pretty much killed off their business with bad product. Is it practical to try and replace the chipset in my enclosures? If so how is this done? I really like the boxes. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP Replacing the chipset is some serious work. Most chipsets I know of are surface-mount soldered to the mobo. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Hoover effect? (was iMac Weapon)
G5 iMacs are grand fun. See how far you can shoot disks, and customize your disks for better preformance. Challenge your friends. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 4:35 AM, Jack Countryman jcoun...@mac.com wrote: Here I always thought the 'Hoover vacuum sweeper' award went to the g5 towers... If you don't understand what I mean, open the power supply on one that has been used sitting on the floor...or I can send you a picture to illustrate what happens? On 7/9/10 10:28 PM, Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: I just got a first gen iMac G5... put a disk in the hummer, when to eject it and the iMac spit the thing half way across the room!! (small room) is it the felts that have worn out? or what is the problem? doesn't make me want to use the superdrive much ha ha! Jeff Every first-gen iMac G5 I've seen has the same problem. The felt just doesn't create enough drag on a disc to overcome the awesome ejection mechanism. Apple's fix was to make an add-on split gasket available. The problem went away with second-gen and later G5 iMacs. Bruce Johnson made the same discovery recently. Kind of a shocker the first time it happens, isn't it? I've seen several fixes for the iMac G5 skeet trap. One involves taping a little basket to the side of the iMac. Another involves making a gasket out of thin foam slit for the disc and sandwiching it between the drive and the case, a la the Apple fix. I'm always amazed at what kind of goofy things manage to get past Apple's product engineers and design staff and make it all the way into the hands of innocent consumers. Hockey puck mice with no sense of direction. Magic mice with sharp edges and bad ergonomics. iMacs that act like skeet traps. Not to mention iMacs that want to be Hoover vacs. :^) Toss in the antics of up to 40 or so bad capacitors, and the iMac G5 is one of the most surprising and entertaining products Apple has produced. I had one that etched a quarter-inch white line halfway across the bottom of its 20-inch LCD five (5) times before Apple took it away. What fun! -- Jim Scott -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Dual is dual is dual?
Nope. 2.5GHz single core dual processor and 2.7GHz single core dual processor have liquid cooling systems. Also, the later models use more power, so theres a beefier PSU. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: Is a G5 dual case is a g5 dual case is a g5 dual case? are they the same for all dual configs with exception of the last gen dual core models? Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Netflix
Because everyone knows how awesome proprietary codecs are! If you want to stream Netflix cheaply, you can buy a PS3 for $300 and send it right to your TV, but as for Mac, I don't know what kind of support there is. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 9:23 AM -0400 7/4/2010, Norm Rowe wrote: I'm trying to watch movies Netflick on my G4 Mac but am told I need an Intel Mac. As I do not have that kind of money is there away around this? As I recall, Netflix is Silverlight based. MS Silverlight 1 is available for PPC, but then they went x86 only for Silverlight 2... Silverlight is MS' proprietary rip off of QuickTime and Flash with some .NET support thrown in. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Hello ! !
Java has good support for PPC. Just download the latest version from sun.com . The Quad G5 is a very fast machine, and should be able to run any Java app. It is a bit faster than the current Macbooks, so it should do just fine. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 10:58 AM, DAN A CURRIE danc...@frontiernet.netwrote: Chris House wrote: I have recently become the owner of a 4 x 2.5 Ghz PowerPC G5 Mac. Running os 10.5.8 Could anyone help me with advice on Java, there are some applications that won't run on this machine at present, due, it seems to out of date software. Is there any guide to the most up to date s/ware I can run on this machine? If anyone could help with this info it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Chris. Go to the APPLE click and go down to software update click ... then click on what you need. Dan II -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iMac G5 Overheating
What Mike said. Let it run overnight, and if it shuts off at 185 you might have a problem. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Mike Linnett mike.dogho...@googlemail.comwrote: Could just be the spotlight indexing thing hogging your CPU for a while, should settle down after an hour or two? On 2 Jul 2010, at 09:39, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, help would be greatly appreciated. I have a G5 1.8GHZ iMac 17. I just installed leopard and am using the computer for the first time. The fans are revved waaay up, and the temp monitor reads around 180+F. The limit is 185 it says. It's clean on the inside, and it has good capacitors, and it passed the ASD diagnostics. Please help me! Thanks! -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will it work on a MDD?
I think the ADVC-300 worked on my old 1.5GHz PB G4, but I don't know if the dual models would work. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.netwrote: To solve the VHS to DVD task, I decided on the more expensive ADVC-300 which functions externally to my Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz under 10.5.8, and communicates via FW400. Along with Final Cut Express 4 to Capture and add Chapters, I needed the iDVD that comes in iLife 09. Researching how to accomplish the conversion, I read that since USB works in bursts of data transfer, it doesn't work as well for video conversion as Firewire. This ADVC300 solution is quite a bit more expensive, but works quite well. Maybe others will comment ... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Old Mac OSX
Try installing the Public Beta and then upgrading to 10.0. This worked for me on a non-clone with a Sonnet G3. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:44 PM, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi All I have a Mac Clone 6400 type with a Sonnet G3 card 300MHz can I put OSX on it somehow. I have XPostFacto but it doesn't seem to respond. I know this may not be the specific list for this but there is good knowledge here also:-) JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
POOCH Clustering Question
Dear G3-5 List: I know that the clustering app POOCH is free for up to four nodes. My question is: can I hook up four dual-processor G5s of differing speeds and RAM capacities (from 2.3GHz to 2.7GHz and from 1GB to 8GB) and have them run smoothly? Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G5 iMac
If my CPU ran at 126F, I would not have to have THAT much cooling for it. Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:52 PM, JoeTaxpayer joetaxpaye...@gmail.comwrote: The inside of a Ford Taurus hits 140F easy in the midwest when outside temp is 120-125. 126 for the chip is 'cool' On Jun 29, 1:59 am, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi All Is 126 degrees F high for a CPU temp in a G5 iMac 24 2.8 4 GBs RAM John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Preparing my new G4 MDD 1.42GHz 'puter
Gratz on the 1.44! I've been looking for one in nice shape. The NOISE problem is a biggun, but a good way is to get some sheets of foam and cut/tape them so that they are attached to the sides of the computer. It dampens noise. No joke, my 747-esque SPARCSTATION has a 2-inch thick styrofoam wall, and is much quiter (although it looks ridiculous). Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Ken Daggett kadagg...@verizon.net wrote: On 18 Jun 2010, at 07:59:18 PDT, JIM RAPER wrote: 2nd ? I will tackle the NOISE problem next. It is solvable, isn't it? - Buy some long cables and put in another room! It sure is quiet in my family room when the MDD shuts down! Ken http://mysite.verizon.net/res7gt1w/stackomacs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: What it's like to own an Apple product...
IBM OpenPower, anyone? Although its not really Steve's doing, it's still a new PowerPC computer... Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 2:28 PM, James Chapel dragnero...@gmail.com wrote: At least Steve won't be demoing any new G-series macs to pull us from our G3s/G4s/G5s anytime soon. XD On Jun 17, 8:11 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: ROFLMAO http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple Store closed for update
Mac Pro with NVidia GTX400 series? Illirik Smirnov On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Ted Treen ted.tr...@btinternet.com wrote: -- *From:* Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com *To:* g3-5-list@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, 15 June, 2010 11:56:34 *Subject:* Re: Apple Store closed for update On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Ted Treen ted.tr...@btinternet.comwrote: Looks like new toys coming... 2.4 GHz Mini with HDMI. And user friendly RAM slot. -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer Yup, seen the details already. Just wondered if the Store update was indicative of revamped Mac Pro systems, maybe 10.6.4 or one or two other goodies, as well... Ted -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: stream movies? no-can-do!
How about using an earlier, less resource-intensive verison of OSX? Mebbe 10.3 will be faster than 10.5. Illirik Smirnov On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Jeffrey Engle macgu...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 14, 2010, at 1:37 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: I'm not clear on what you mean by stream movies? Kris, by streaming I mean watching a movie via wi-fi connection from my G5 in the other room via 802.11.n 5ghz. Is streaming the wrong word? and thanks for the great comeback! Jeff If it is hard getting it to work smoothly via wifi the old sneakernet via thumbdrive would be effective. -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SATA PCI card for dual 800 quicksilver
That is *NOT* going to work. Illirik Smirnov On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:16 AM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 2:53 AM, mlsimm...@aol.com wrote: CompUSA lists a Masscool XWT-RC061 3 Port SATA PCI Card - 2 internal SATA, External SATA, 1.5Gbps Support for $20 ---it says The board provides a 32bit, 33/66 MHz PCI interface on the host side, fully compliant Serial ATA ports on the device side to access Serial ATA mobile storage devices and standard media such as Hard Disk drive, floppy disk drive, CD-ROM, CD-RW, DVD, DVD-ROM, etc... 3 Serial ATA port (two internal and one external), Has anyone had any luck with using this or any other generic cards on a quicksilver running Tiger This card appears to have significant problems in Windows, so it's very unlikely it will perform well in OS X. It appears to use a VIA chipset. The biggest problem I foresee on a Quicksilver is that the card won't be bootable, you need a card with Mac boot ROM, so most PC cards that work under OS X are strictly for storage only, they can't boot under normal conditions. This card seems to be a RAID card, meaning that individual HDs aren't useable as separate drives. I don't think this is a good solution for a PPC Mac. The only cards that I'm aware of that have the PPC Mac boot ROM are the Firmtek cards and perhaps the Acard? There are cards like that Sonnet that are rebranded Firmtek cards, there may be others, but be sure you can boot IF you need to boot. If you don't need to boot, Silicon Image cards have Mac support and are very reasonably priced, but they won't boot on a PPC Mac. I'm not sure, there may be a way to set a boot flag in Open Firmware to specify a non-bootable PCI card as the boot device, but this is something I've never done, but I am aware that it's within the realm of possibility. This would enable non-bootable cards such as the Silicon Image if possible. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Improper Put Away? for USB Modem???
Yeah, I second Dan. It's hardware. Try what he said, and then try cleaning out your USB ports. Gunk can sometimes get in them and cause cycling. Use a Q-Tip. Illirik Smirnov On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:51 PM -0500 6/14/2010, James Therrault wrote: Here's the system log beginning with a couple of lines before I plugged the modem in. com.devgure... is when I plugged the modem in. It's all Greek to me... Definately a hardware issue. Looks like it's cycling - it can't get a grip on the device. What else is plugged into your USB? Try unplugging evertything except that modem. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: New unibody Mac Mini (was Re: Apple Store closed for update)
There are no USB or eSATA or SD or any such ports on the front because they don't look as nice. Illirik Smirnov On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:39 PM, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:25 AM, John Martz wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: Will Apple ever support eSATA? I tend to doubt it. My total wild-ass speculating guess is that this might be a Steve Jobs sort of thing. eSATA does not supply power to the external device and perhaps the Steve has deemed this to be as inappropriate as a two button mouse? Maybe they'll add support for eSATA with power (e-SATAP ?) at some future date? On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: What's the deal on USB 3.0? I don't know what the deal is with USB 3.0. I would have expected it to be integrated into the motherboard chipsets by now. But it was pointed out to me in another thread that Intel is currently talking as though there is no need to incorporate USB 3.0 until sometime towards the end of 2011 or perhaps even 2012? PC motherboards currently support USB 3.0 by incorporating a non-Intel chip. The only response Intel appears to have to that is to announce plans to sell their own discrete USB 3.0 support chip. I think Intel has its corporate bureaucratic head up its butt. Apparently the planners expect they can do the transition to USB 3.0 the same way that the move to USB 2.0 was done i.e. pretty much on their terms. However, no one seems to have checked with the Chinese manufacturers. They don't seem to care one bit about Intel's plans and are tossing USB 3.0 devices at the market with what appears to be an increasing pace. The market may well move fast enough on its own to leave Intel behind (at least for a bit). What truly surprises me is that AMD has not tried to exploit this by integrating USB 3.0 into one of their chipsets. Oh, well. My Macish point here is that I don't see Apple adding USB 3.0 support until Intel integrates it. Maybe they'll go the separate chip support route if the market builds enough. And/or if there are enough competing USB 3.0 chips out there for Apple to pit one against the other and get them at close to cost. USB 3.0 on a Mac would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath in anticipation. Well that leaves the MacPro for those of us that want to buy a new machine, And a good reason not the sell the older dogs that are more suited to all the methods of large and fast data transfer. I keep sticking up for Ap,le on the SD front because I think maybe that will become a new universal transfer port other than a camera, like maybe the new SSD drives are?? Like any day there'll be a brand new device come out that will plug into the SD port on all the Apple units and be a super connection to all systems. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Will PowerPC be forever obsolete?/ RICH Text
PPC as an architecture will never become obsolete. PPC computers will. Illirik Smirnov On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 13, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: List rules or no, after a decade it is nice to see rich text used on LEM to effectively communicate. Notice how the color bars pop out the relevant words and emphasize the salient points. No, I didn't notice it at all, since my mail client is set to show the plain text alternative, when possible. (Fortunately most mail clients also send the plain text in addition to the rich text.) I have to read way too much email every day to put up with the visual garbage that typically accompanies 'rich text' mail to warrant leaving it on. I've seen enough jumping smiley gifs, blink tags, ornate backgrounds, alien color schemes, ransom note styling and incomprehensible 2-point font messages (thank you SO MUCH, MS Outlook!) to last a lifetime. Heck I had enough after the first three such messages I got...bad flashbacks to the dawn of the Desktop Publishing age... NEVER assume that when you send out your carefully crafted rich text message, the recipient is seeing what you see, so make your *words* comprehensible...do not rely on styling alone. This has been a public service message from: The Organization of Cranky Old Sysadmins. Our Motto: 'Get off my LAN, you kids!' :-) -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Memory compatibility with G5
I have a 1600MHz single-core G5 that come from the factory with 2X512MB of memory. I added a matching pair of 1GB sticks (PC3200), and the G5 won't turn on. A red light turns on, near the front of the case. If the PC3200 isn't compatible, which speed should I use? When I take the RAM out, it works again... what should I do? Illirik Smirnov -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
