Re: Thinking about a new CPU for a Sawtooth 500 mhz G4
On Jan 23, 12:14 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jan 23, 2010, at 12:05 PM, A.McCullough wrote: Still learning the ins and outs of this series of Macs ... what basic options would I be looking at? I've read that some upgrade CPUS would need firmware upgrades also - how fast could I go on this Sawtooth as-is (i.e., drop in a new CPU, boot, and be back in business with no other tinkering), and - allowing for such tinkering - how fast could it be made to go otherwise? Could I get this to a 1 Ghz CPU with no firmware updating? No, from personal experienee, the 1GHz upgrade needs a firmware update...there was that really bad, no good , oh crap feeling when I thought I'd bricked my GigE (same mobo as the Sawtooth, just different ethernet) and my new 1Ghz update. On the other hand, updating the firmware isn't any bigger a deal than running any other update; the only issue is that it has to be done while booted in OS 9. The main issue is cost...look at the cost differential between getting a 1GHz or faster upgrade versus looking for a stock MDD G4 which has a faster memory, faster video, etc to go along with the faster CPU. OWC doesn't even sell anything less than 1.5Ghz, and it's $210. A quick perusal online I could find a dual 1.25 MDD for $300, which is a vastly better CPU. my 1.5 ghz bought last year is 20% faster in a DA than my neighbor's single 1.25MDD. Given that dual gives you some extra OK but vastly not. A single MDD can be upgraded to a dual 1.8 7448 which is something. Anyway the MDD is Beautiful machine in my book. But I am very happy with that DA. Even though the box is ugly. There was a time when the Sawtooth was the 'sweet spot' for upgrading economically. That time, alas, is long, long gone. Actually the 1.5 started out in my Sawtooth, I got the DA for $40 in Febuary, the 1.5 cpu for Xmas (so I didn't pay for it). If you find the upgrade really cheap (and I mean $100 cheap), go for it, but I wouldn't put a lot of money into the system. Depends on how much you like old macs IMHO. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: VideoLan has finally reached version 1.0.0
On Jul 7, 8:02 am, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote: In an extremely rare milestone, a valuable open source project has released a 1.0.0 version. Its not rare really. Some developers prefer not to number 1.0 or above where others would be up to version 3. Its just a style of doing things. For instance if OSX had been versioned in this style 10.1 would have been maybe 10.0.1 and 10.2, 10.0.2, etc. Some developers actually stop around 0.2 or 0.3, believe it or not. In this case I am not sure what the strategy means. It could mean the end of ppc support, it could mean that the project as a whole is considered complete and the team is breaking up, in which case someone may do minor updates or take it over and/or big changes in the program will ensue shortly. The program is called VLC, Video Lan is the project name. It is basicly a Linux program ported to osX, which means the culture is a bit different for some mac users --- It even works on PPC, but only for 10.5. VideoLan has released version 1.0.0 of its software, one of the more robust and format inclusive video players for OS X. Myself I use 0.8.6 in Tiger and it works great, I see no need to upgrade. Also my experience says never use anything with a double zero ending, but that may be a personal preference. Anyway the 1.0 thing means very little positive significant other than perhaps there was some publicity pressure due to ignorance in the OSX world... They have been saying for a long time, don't expect VLC to work very well on a g3. The best thing about VLC is their excellent g4 support (besides the freedom derived from free software, I mean) -- that enables one to play many things on a slower g4 that would be skippy with other players. There is a plug-in for the 0.8.6 version BTW (not in newer versions currently) which might be able to serve as a better flash player in browsers ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Was;Return to PowerPC?Now HackinSonyMac
On Jul 9, 1:01 am, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:08 AM, tortoisecymraeg...@gmail.com wrote: MOL is not an emulator, it runs natively on POWER hardware. I am very sorry to disturb you further ! I thought we were on the same side here? but pllease read the line directly below yours below ! PLEASE READ THE LINE from my original post DIRECTLY ABOVE yours. On ps3 its sort of a toy since it only has256MB of RAM... probably limited to Jaguar X.2.8 etc. The PCI-X card is much more expensive and still only has 512MB which is still tight even for Tiger which is going away now. Although for some games maybe it is OK... This is not the thread for discussing this OT. If I am to read OT it will be about the Hackintosh and how it works for those who use it. Well you're certainly not going to hear it from me. I don't even read that stuff. I just skip it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Was;Return to PowerPC?Now HackinSonyMac
Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: Recently other threads about violating the Apple EULA [snip] how is running OS X on a Playstation 3 any less of a violation of the Apple EULA than running it on an Intel or AMD machine i.e. a ( non- Apple ) PC? Even that running under emulation? MOL is not an emulator, it runs natively on POWER hardware. On ps3 its sort of a toy since it only has 256MB of RAM... probably limited to Jaguar X.2.8 etc. The PCI-X card is much more expensive and still only has 512MB which is still tight even for Tiger which is going away now. Although for some games maybe it is OK... The Power5+ Intellistation would be more interesting though, not for me as I need a laptop... Most people only use these to help them transition. Linux can mount mac disk images now and has always been able to access HFS disks so it is not so much an issue, I think as using a pc as a mac all the time. I think IBM engineers used to run MOL on their machines but they discourage it now. .. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Return to PowerPC?
On Jul 5, 11:36 pm, MaGioZal magio...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/6/09 2:52 AM, PeterH at peterh5...@rattlebrain.com wrote: On Jul 5, 2009, at 10:27 PM, MaGioZal wrote: The RISC had a lot of promises, but many times hadn't delivered them. IBM had problems with their design which was why they teamed up with APPLE. at the time theirs was the worst performing and selling. Don't forget Motorola was in there too, coming in especially with the G4. Sun and SGI always had the better designs in the 90s but pricey too. Nevertheless SGI cornered the movie business and Sun the web server market. The g5 got apple into the big time. But I think that they have blown it now. Intel centers on the lower end of the market now with their low power cpus. For high end machines clearly IBM and AMD excel. These are the cpus preferred by scientists and engineers -- they are not the same as the consumer versions admittedly but those benefit from this research. I know Bruce will argue with this but I am speaking statistically of course. Clearly apple is a consumer company. Although the video industry helps, many specialists have complained the intel macs are not so good for them as the g5 was. (Intel centric) Benchmarks aside, this is user experience. It's not the processor, it's the implementation. Its an old story in the computer industry -- once you finally get something working right its time to abandon the manufacture (except for the embedded systems I guess). Finally in the last few years we have seen altivec based libraries for c and c++ and in gcc4.3 the auto generated code really took off. (unfortunately apple is still getting into gcc4.2). When I get the time I would like to rebuild a linux system from scratch optimized for altivec... IBM is making huge quantities of PPC RISCs. gaming consoles, selling a million a month. (and other things). IBM also sells intel based machines, but their POWER are their best. By the way they have POWER5+ intellistations on closeout for $5000. 2x2ghz dual core, 4GB RAM, 32MB Cache on-chip, dual SCSI drives, and free monitor. (G5 is Power4). No OS. Put Linux on and run Leopard with MOL. Or you can try it on a PS3 except I don't think the RAM capacity suffices. Sun is still making its RISCs. and also intel, they make both. Intel's CISCs are doing well. Well, maybe I should write Apple made a lot of promises about the RISC, but didn't delivered many of them. ;-) I remember back in the 90's that in the Spindler era the CISC was accused of being an obsolte chip archicteture which cannot expand well, differently from RISC... It was true back then. Problem was all the old 68k code in the old MacOS. Back in '98 a mac with Linux felt like flying compared to the macos crawling. IBM was like I said at the bottom of the RISC mfgs. Motorolla had many delays in their 68060 development and they really needed the g4 business. Even today a dual g4 can be as good or better performer as intel dual core in certain applications (such as with g4 upgrades versus current mini/ imac models = clunky consumer junk) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 800 MHz Sonnet G4 Zif
On Jun 29, 9:48 pm, glen glenst...@yahoo.com wrote: - Original Message PS: I wonder if the 800 MHz processor with the dropped 66 MHz bus speed will offer much of a speed boost over the current 350 MHz processor and the 100 MHz bus speed?? Is it worth the effort? Why/ how was this dropped ?? I have a B+W which I have overclocked from 400 to 450 with adding a fan and adjusting the jumpers. the PCI bus on the B+W is sometimes called 66mhz except I think that is only the graphics card slot the centermost and the others are 32mhz but 64bit. Anyway my chart for the jumper settings shows 800mhz, as a multiplier of 8x the bus speed. And it shows the bus speed as fixed. you do set the jumpers, right ? When I get around to it I'll do some benchmarks. Too many old upgrade projects in the works and not enough spare time, hee hee :). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 800 MHz Sonnet G4 Zif
On Jun 28, 3:40 pm, glen glenst...@yahoo.com wrote: Recently acquired a Sonnet 800 MHz ZIF upgrade for a G3 BW. I need some install/user guide type info. Searching Google and the Sonnet support was not helpful. You must remove the G4 Block which is in the Firmware (not the jumper block !!), by a firmware patch. You have to do firmware update in os9. If sonnet has took off their website, I could email it to you (send me email off-list) -- if I can find it, I know I used it on mine.. I also have an installation user guide with pictures. It is for the 550 but should be the same, the part about the software is obscure. If you are running osX and have developer tools installed you have a new panel in System Prefs for CPU which has a cache thingy... might help. Does anyone have a link to a user guide or could someone sent a .pdf -- provided Sonnet ever provided one. I do have a white jumper block that came with the upgrade and I know Sonnet has firmware upgrades are available on their web site. The Apple G4 enabler is installed, so do I also need the Sonnet firmware as well? I suppose I could just plug it in and see what happens , but would like to RTFM if I can find one before it do that :) --glen --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio
On Jun 22, 12:03 am, Ralph Green sfrea...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Howdy, [snip] Or, it could be that this hack does not work on the Sawtooth. Any thoughts? We've been through this argument before. There was a guy selling modified board from 133mhz bus to work on 100mhz, listed a bunch on ebay consecutively w/ no complaints for a while. Not too long ago, but Haven't seen any lately, he may have run out. Somewhere in this group archives you may find the link of the old ebay ad. No idea what he did. But it is possible. I'll still try this hack on my G4 Gigabit Ethernet later. My friend has 12 of these Sawtooths that we would like to upgrade for a school, so we decided to try one of those first. He had been telling me they were G4 Digital Audios, but they weren't. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Arrrggh! G4 dies from just sitting there?
On Jun 18, 2:00 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Jun 18, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Clark Martin wrote: I have a client who had a, then, not so old PM8500 stored in a San Francisco garage for 6 months. All the bare metal panels were heavily oxidized. And while the computer did fire up I don't think it worked, something had died from the fog. My 8500 has rust all over the metal case parts but it runs fine, after I took it apart and put it back together a few times... Rescued from heading for the dump a year or so back, and restored it. For a while I had to boot it twice, it would half start and then I hit the power key again and it would finish the second time. I didn't start my Beige G3 for a year and it appeared the PCI video card died, too bad I liked that card. Now I just tried to set the clock back for the summer and somehow I removed a bunch of jumpers accidentally, and one seems to be stuck under the motherboard ... Pulled the drive finally. No fog problem in Tucson AZ...no humidity problem, either. There's a reason they put this http://tinyurl.com/nzndsy here -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: browser speed
On Jun 17, 12:12 pm, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: Greetings, I am on an upgraded BW500mhz, 896MB RAM. Sonnet G4 upgrade. I have been using Firefox as my main browser, but decided to give a couple of other browsers a try to see if they showed video any better. I noticed that SeaMonkey showed a YouTube video much more smoothly that Firefox or the latest Safari. I have downloaded utube vids with the Icab filter for that, and notice playing them back in VLC is very nice and smooth on my g4-550 powerbook. There is a VLC plugin but I haven't yet tried to make it my flash player in the preferences... flash is *very* inefficient, I don't know why. you can also try downloading the mp4 if they exist and again try vlc rather than apple player. Note: you have to get the 0.8.6 version, the 0.9 version doesn't work (even though it says ok w/tiger, it crashes for me) I am interested in learning why one browser is faster than another, and if there is anything I can do to my version of Firefox to make it run as fast on videos as SeaMonkey. I have Firefox 3.0.11. Firefox and Safari were badly out of sync when showing the same video. SeaMonkey was smoother and much less out of sync. Also: I noticed that some of my favorite sites (that require a login) did not recognize me when I used a different browser. What can I do to fix this annoying problem? Do I have to re-register? Thanks for any suggestions. Larry Eden --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The powerpc now and in the future....
On Jun 12, 9:53 pm, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: PCI slot based accelerators have a bottleneck built right in. Hardly worth the effort IMO. mmm but g5 has pci-X, right, and that does not have bottleneck ? anyway this should be some thing more like another computer with shared i/o, more than just a co-processor. ... probably a good amount of its own RAM. BTW I think someone once pulled ethernet/ modem card from a 3400 and put in a 486 logic board tha --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: SUSE ppc and ethernet
On Jun 9, 2:09 pm, greens...@care4free.net greens...@care4free.net wrote: After trying various distros I now have Open SUSE 11 running on my G4 450 Mhz - once I formatted the partition to Unix it all installed smoothly. However, on attempting to set up broadband I find that my ethernet is not set up. It works fine on Tiger, but I would like to use linux on a separate partition to my main software and files for my net access. I picked up that there were issues with SUSE and ethernet for the beige G3 - is this the case with SUSE 11/G4's, and is there a fix a nonce can implement? Did you have the internet plugged in and set up when you did the install ? I use Debian NetInstall CD which is a small initial download and the first thing it does is to set up the internet -- won't install by this method if it doesn't work then and forces the setup correctly by asking you for the info it needs if it needs. Like the guy below says you can check with ifconfig, in fact you can start the interface with it too. If it checks OK already you might try the command dhclient eth0 and then try ping google.com another thing to check is in the boot messages -- however with a desktop installed you don't usually see like in OSX -- but in Linux you can see by typing the command dmesg | more in a terminal window -- there you can see if the card is seen at all. If not then you don't have a driver in your kernel and you are probably in trouble. Although sometimes for some reason there is a driver which has not loaded (right now with my powerbook on debian I have to load the sound driver by hand ...) ... let us know what you see ? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Where Do I Find Reliable Info On Color Critical Monitor Choices?
On Jun 9, 10:45 am, aussieshepsrock ilovaussiesh...@yahoo.com wrote: Seeking a reliable web resource or resources to become knowledgeable in choosing a color critical Monitor for myself. I'm 'provisionally' settled on the DELL ULTRASHARP 2408WFP 24-inch Widescreen Flat Panel Monitor which is a cnet award winner and highly reviewed there. The link to dell is http://accessories.us.dell.com/ sna/products/Monitors/productdetail.aspx? c=usl=ens=dhscs=19sku=320-6272. I' Does Dell really make their monitors ? The current Apple displays are permanently non-options due to glossy screens. I've also seen them described as wonderful and pathetic for critical color in the exact same web forum! It is important with MacOS and any monitor to correctly calibrate. Officially you need and expensive USB calibration light meter ... But with experience as an artist I feel pretty confident doing it by hand and eyeball (it helps if you have multiple monitors to compare pictures). I just recalibrated my Samsung 970 (it was made in 2005), 20 inch flat panel. The color is OK but I have to say the old powerbooks have the better flat panel color (with very painful calibrating) -- I mean old like 90s Anyway the calibration in Tiger is very good tool or seems to be -- if one is careful and try a few times with different settings, comparing pictures, etc. But I would not buy another Samsung. I think the next time I go with Princeton, if I have the $ (and I buy used stuff but I try and get better quality). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
The powerpc now and in the future....
Well this is sort of an anti-reply to the orphaned thread. I have been happily dual booting Linux and MacOS's for about 5 years now. I have os8 and debian lenny on two quadras. I have os9 and debian squeeze on a powerbookG3 250 (that's the next upcoming version of Linux) and it works well for me. Those guys were orphaned a long time ago but I still use them ! _ Also, the POWER architecture is not going away in the least despite Apple being against it. Nearly every game console uses it , most of the world's fastest computers, and most automobiles, and nearly all the unmanned space missions (the last two are just moving up to the G3)... Never mind the mid-level machines, Anyway Debian will not abandon the powerpc, only their owners can do that. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: browser question
On Jun 8, 10:23 am, Joan Duncan jn...@q.com wrote: I use SeaMonkey as my browser and for some reason it has drastically slowed down. I tried rebuilding the desktop with Disk Warrior 3.o.3 which had no effect. Forgive me for my lapse but would it help to download SM again? Do I just throw the other one away once I have downloaded the new one? I forget the sequence of things and I don't want to lose my bookmarks or emails. Well you can go into your Library folder in your home directory folder and delete everything that says Mozilla (in Application Support, Mozilla (proper), and Preferences) except Bookmarks.html. About Mail I'm not sure as I have SeaMonkey for the Composer and don't use the email -- hopefully you can find it. Another option even if you can't is to simply make a new folder on your desktop and move these items above to it so as to test if something bad is there -- if it still is slow then you can put them back. Make sure you have the latest version, make sure your hard drive is not filling up, or have you got some other hot new app going too that is eating your RAM ? If you have a G4 or even a G3 and at least 10.3.9 (I think) you can get the optimized versions at rpm-mozilla.org.uk By the way, you do do your macos (security) updates, don't you ? Also, make sure that the problem is not associated with your ISP, a particular web site, or your network interface (cable router or dsl box). And you might try Thunderbird just to check, I think that has only the browser and the email (??). thanks, Joan -- Joan Duncan, ASID Interior Architecture Design (o) 575.751.3030 (c) 575.770.4252 (f) 575.751.3434www.acreatrix.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: browser question
On Jun 8, 10:23 am, Joan Duncan jn...@q.com wrote: Do I just throw the other one away once I have downloaded the new one? For myself just to be safe I usually try the new one first, move the old one to the trash or out on the desktop while you test. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: browser question
On Jun 8, 10:23 am, Joan Duncan jn...@q.com wrote: Do I just throw the other one away once I have downloaded the new one? You can drag the old one out to the desktop first and then drop the new one in your applications folder, or drag the new one from the disk image icon to the desktop before you replace the old one, test the new one. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Very Stubborn Quicksilver
On Jun 3, 6:09 pm, Brian Rule hellcat...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I hate to say you told me so, but you told me so. I downloaded memtest and ran it with each of the 133 sticks I have booted in to tiger on my older HD. Turns out the one 512 meg chip I have failed pretty much every test, so I guess I'm limited to 768 megs of RAM for now. I'm trying to reinstall Leopard on the newer drive, whose file system was heavily corrupted. Hopefully this will be it... Thanks! Brian There is a program which can patch some RAM. It is free download, it is called DIMM First Aid. It must be run in OS9. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 4 bloat
On May 27, 1:54 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: I upgraded an old G3 iBook with too little HD free space to Safari 4 about 3 weeks ago. I rarely use this iBook, so I was being careful, and making due with about 1 GB free space for Tiger 10.4.11. Yesterday things literally ground to a halt, and I immediately checked the HD free space. It was ZERO. I freaked, and did everything I could think of to trash items and only managed to clear 136 MB doing EVERYTHING I could think of. Then a saw these articles about Safari 4 bloat: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/05/23/1747241/ http://www.thrica.com/archives/352 It seems that Safari 4 filled my 1 GB free space in just a couple weeks, and I barely use this computer. I have uninstalled Safari 4 on this iBook and started to recover some space from these hidden caches, but this is a real shocker. I'm wishing I'd never installed Safari 4 on this iBook. Firefox is better anyway. you can set preferences to clear data on quit w/ confirmation. With any browser though, you should be able to limit the sizes of the caches, or even turn them off. Don't forget the VM (virtual memory) files though either, they are used by the system. If you are low on RAM (less than 512MB for everday use with Tiger), these files will take up a lot of space. Look in /private/var/vm (if you can't see this you may have to use a third party tool to turn hiding off or use the Terminal app). Also slowing your computer down greatly. Wearing out the hd both from overfilling and from lots of VM. The former because less writing in contiguous blocks (like with lots small browser cache files) - overworking the head movements. A newer hd can also *greatly* improve performance of an old 'book. Stock/ oem hard drives usually perform at much much less than the rated capacity of the bus. maybe four times faster w/ a recent hd. Smaller ones are pretty cheap too, even new (the newer the better mostly). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Drivers for non Mac devices in a Mac
On May 17, 2:42 pm, willy w_arn...@att.net wrote: I used to have an addy for drivers that others made for devices that allowed non Mac items to work on a Mac. I had HD trouble lost it. Well of course the way search engines work these days you need unambiguous keywords. And it would help maybe jog some memories here if you knew the name of your addy ... Or what till the recession turns up you may see some newer search engines where you can type such a description. Or go dig up the prototypes and join in the effort and you may become the next Arnie S. I have a TekRam DC-395UW SCSI Bd. in my Power Mac G3. This came with my Mac when I bought it used. I need a Mac Driver for it so far all I find is a windowz one. Any help will be much appreciated. Wm. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best Game site, for iMac G3 400, running OSX?
Mullin9 wrote: What is the Best Game site, for iMac G3 400, running OSX? the ones made around 2000, 2002. ? Thank you You are looking for games made when, on version of osX made when ? I have play a few games from ~ 2000 - 2002 that were made for os9 through 10.1 Sometimes the OS is very picky to match the game. That is for versions of OpenGL to match. I found my games at the local thrift store, I only have maybe a 1/2 dozen. I also have some games that only run on pre-os9, old world macs. But they sometimes will run on osX in the emulator BasiliskII. Lots of my games have network, multiplayer but I have never had a chance to use that --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sound Card(s) in PowerBook 17....
On May 5, 8:04 pm, AHarmon harmon...@gmail.com wrote: Now, before the flamethrowers gear up, could someone patiently explain exactly what 2 sound cards are doing in my PB 17 and what I can do with this: Crystal Semiconductor CS84xx: S/PDIF Digital Input... how to use help please... ? PC/Cardbus (removeable) card ? Some audio equipment has SPDIF for digital i/o because analog to digital conversion losses some signal quality. I have an external cdrw drive with those outputs but no computer with the inputs; nevertheless I can play cd direct to digital via firewire. (my old computers are the kinds with cheating analog cables between their builtin optical drives and their motherboards, that is exactly the kind of loss I just mentioned (D-A-D). If you have a laptop rather than a desktop, its hard to tell whether you have the cheat or a real digital cd player, unless perhaps this is it (I don't have your powerbook to see). It would be easier to relate to what you see there if you could give the full description in context, did this info come from AppleSystemProfiler, or did you read it off the piece of equipment, or what ? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need to back up my 9600 to my G3
W. Neal Lewis wrote: I need to back up my 9600 running 9.2.2 to my G3 running 10.3.9. I want to get a bootable backup for the 9600. I don't see why the second requires the first. You want to burn a bootable cd on the g3 ? The 9600 has a Sonnet G4 processor and a Seagate Barracuda SCSI hard disk. The two computers are connected on a local ethernet network. The G3 can see the 9600. The 9600 can not log on to the G3 (the password is always invalid, or some similar thing). You have to use tcp ip. you turn off apple talk for that. Making the g3 the server then you can log in that is get the shared drive on 9600 by clicking on chooser - AppleShare - connect and typing the numerical adress of the g3 and then your password (you will not see g3 in the window when apple talk is off) I could take the hard disk out of the 9600 and put it into an enclosure and install a PCI to SCSI card in the G3. Hopefully that would let me use O.S. 10.3.9's disk image software to make an image of the 9600. you can connect the drive to the 9600 if you get a new drive. you can get a pci card for ide or whatever in there. Or I could try to find some software that would let me back up the 9600 to the G3 and make a bootable backup. I reccomend working at the 9600 even if you use g3 server and burn as above. because osx not so good with os9. you can use os9 util to make image. I can bring the 9600 over to the desktop of the G3. However, when I try to do a large backup, it only goes about 700 Mb and the 9600 locks up. well on my systems that happens around 100MB, not too mention that the newer computer hangs on smaller transfers until they complete. The 9600 needs to be backed up, wiped clean and start over. I am trying to get it to the place where I can run 9.2.2 on it and 10.3.9. I need both systems due to some older software I have to run. If you are going to keep the 9600 you need a backup drive you can connect to it directly... (or a second internal hard drive) The G3 is not stable with system 9.2.2, system 10.3.9 and the larger (500 Gb) hard disk I put in it. I installed the Speed Tools Suite in hopes (with the Hi-Cap driver) of allowing the large disk to run with both operating systems. However, the G3's bus is not stable (a problem I find that some of the G3 series has) and the large disk can only be seen and used under system 10.3.9. anyway, which g3 is it ? if it is a blue+white (turquoise) you may be able upgrade the motherboard. I got one of the yikes! (original and compatible) g4 on ebay for $25. same thing goes for that as to the backup drive. I think I may have to replace the Seagate drive on the 9600, and possibly the CD drive to get OS 10.3.9 to load on it. But that is the next step in the process. Right now I just want to back up the 9600 and get it more stable. use the new drive to back up once then reformat the old drive and use that for future backups. you need to use some cautions about what kinds of external drives / card combinations will be bootable. Any thoughts, comments, suggestions are welcome. My time for this project is somewhat limited by my regular job and church commitments (Thursday, Friday and Saturday (sometimes) are the only times I have to work on it). I will be happy to get any technical information to answer questions. Neal Lewis wnle...@southwind.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need help - Video card compatibility for my G4
On Apr 16, 7:04 am, Paul pper...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 15, 8:44 am, dc dbc...@verizon.net wrote: You can check video card compatibility for your beast here: http://themacelite.wikidot.com/compatibility They have extensive information on flashing a PC video card for Mac use, which expands your options while making it very inexpensive. Doesn't this require the use of a (compatible) pc running windoze (purist disgust) ? 2 issues on video cards in my experience: 1) flashed cards may not work as well if they are OEM rather than retail. 2) for Linux fans : Nvidia has better linux drivers, ATI is not opensourced so they must be reverse engineered. Also the higher agp speeds make a big difference, the agp4x get much better performance than the 2x models of g4 (I found out after moving my card from a sawtooth to a DA). Although the supports of Quartz and CoreGraphics may or may not also matter (my card supports the first and not the second), and now there is CoreVideo too. Maybe someone else has experience with these. I also wonder how much more graphics RAM might help. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: question about our Group
On Apr 4, 5:32 am, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: I have a Sonnet upgrade card that I no longer use. Is it OK on this list to offer items like this for sale to members of our Group? They say you are allowed one item per year (per group I think) Personally, I would like to use that one chance if I have something that is pretty closely focused on the specific group I am posting to, and in any case if it wasn't that would be taboo because of off-topic. but replies to such ads are supposed to be off-list, maybe its a good idea to remind people of that in your ad, since the list nannies have closed threads lately due to people replying to the list. On the swap list that is your only choice. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: resurrecting a hard drive?
On Apr 3, 9:18 am, Charles Lenington macso...@brightok.net wrote: snip- Get one of these http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=2020-OTBcpc=SCH and stop tearing into systems to do this sort of thing. With this you can boot from a functioning Mac and work on these drives without don't bother trying to buy from geeks if you use a PO box. They consider everyone with a PO box as crooks and refuse to sell/ship to them. They can also be had from OtherWorldComputing, a good mac-only place (not always the cheapest but the best service I think and most knowledgeable). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Multiple HDs in Sawtooth
On Mar 24, 3:08 pm, nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com wrote: Hurray...I'm going SCSI's on my Sawtooth...well, as soon as I get the help I need. I'm trying to figure out how to safely install more than a single HD in the Sawtooth. Ideas...someone here must have done it. This is a physical issue, of course I know how to hook them up...but where would I physically place 3 SCSIs and maybe an ATA as well. Is this possible? Thanks a lot! you should be aware that the sawtooth will not sleep with either adaptec u2w or u160 cards. (at least mine wouldn't and neither will my DA) also scsi drives need proper cooling. the double height carriers only work in the first bay and the scsi drives should not be stacked in one of those. certain brands are more noisy (IBM) and others are more heaty (Seagate). I love scsi drives. Sort of like macs they are percieved as more expensive. they are more pricy however much much more reliable. I have a half dozen macs in service and an ide drive fails annually, I have not had a scsi fail in 6 year, and the scsi drive in my powerbook 540c is 15 years old (and I still use it two evenings a week). If putting a drive above the dvd a round cable keeps ventilation more open. I have seen this in a dual 1.25Ghz MDD. I have put old ide drive below the dvd but I would not do that with a modern scsi drive (50 pin maybe ok, I have a zip like that in my B+W case (w/ overclocked g4 450 and fan. be careful also putting too many drives not to overload the powersupply ... yeah some newish 15k drives can put through 120MB/s... my 2 10ks range from 25-50MB depending on the age. The stock ide drives in these machines get about 20, a recent ide drive can get up to about 50 - 60 (max out about 10-20% under the rating of 66 depending on the brand). I just put them on the regular holders, right now in DA there is ide in the middle one. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: xserve question
Dude, it says right at the bottom no Xserve g4s ! On Mar 24, 8:23 pm, Bill Christensen billc_li...@greenbuilder.com wrote: At 5:11 PM -0700 3/24/09, Jonas Ulrich wrote: I just bought two Xserve G4's. They are on there way and i had some questions. I know you can get the apple drive modules and boot off one of those right? I don't have any adm's but would still like to use the internal ata 100/133. Is there a way to do that without using an adm? I don't care if there is a way to mount the hard drive. Xserve G4 DP1GHZ Xserve DP1.33GHZ -Jonas You might be in luck. Someone on LEMSwap just posted this the other day (apologies for the cross-post). Perhaps he can do what's needed for xserve G4s too: From: Donald Hall lems...@ninjaproduction.com To: lems...@googlegroups.com Subject: FS: Xserve G5 Custom SATA Power Wiring Harness (No Trays Required!) I'm offering the service of custom built hard drive power cables for use in Xserve G5s. These cables plug directly into the motherboard and take the place of the normal hot-swap backplane in the Xserve. With the backplane removed, you're free to insert any SATA hard drive without the need for an Apple Drive Tray, saving several hundred dollars. All you'll need will be SATA cables to connect your hard drives to the motherboard or to a PCI card, whichever you prefer. These power cables also allow you to install 3 or more hard drives in a Cluster Node Xserve. So far I've built two of these cables, one for my own Xserve and another for a friend. My Xserve Cluster Node has three 1.5TB 3.5 hard drives in the drive bays connected to a Highpoint Tech RocketRAID card as well as a 2.5 SATA hard drive in the PCI bay that is connected to the motherboard as a boot drive. I'm able to build a cable to power any number of drives, from one to three in the drive bays and there's room for up to two 2.5 drives in the PCI bay. Since needs will vary, I'll offer 'build to order' pricing. $30 - Single Drive Power Harness $20 - Each Additional Drive Serious Inquiries Only Please When considering the prices, keep in mind that I am building the cables completely from scratch. Each connector and contact has to be bought, every wire cut, every crimp has to be done. There are no ugly splices, no electrical tape, no soldering. If you'd like to see other work I've done, please check outhttp://atxg4.com where I sell adapters that allow the use of ATX power supplies as replacement parts in G4 towers. I cannot build cables for Xserve G4s or Intel Xserves as they rely on their backplanes for other functions. - Paypal strongly preferred. Ypsilanti, MI 48198 Ebay: the_grim_ninja (950+, 100% positive) -Donald Hall -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Help! I've lost one harddrive and now the main harddrive won't boot!
I'd like the thank the originator of this tip. I had a few drives reporting bad spots (in the full SMART report which you get only when you download the source and build it; and also when I tried to secure erase I got write errors *sometimes* w/ hangs, noted in apple console logs) Yes, erasing at the drive level rather than the partition level, with secure erase, eliminated the errors. Of some concern to me of course if more bad spots turn up. Had one drive turn up no more for four years (formatted free space around the spot) and another got another in 6 months, or anyway the files ran into it -- all this before I even knew about secure erase at all... On Mar 20, 4:12 pm, Charles Davis c...@gamewood.net wrote: On Mar 20, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Dan wrote: At 9:38 AM -0400 3/20/2009, insightinmind wrote: snip SMART is a *monitoring* mechanism, to alert (someone) when things start to go south. It has nothing to do with actual corrective measures, such as bad block replacements -- which are handled by the hardware controllers these days. I always thought (Re)Formatting a drive, zeroing out data, did the bad sector mapping out, but only during the formatting process. That's re-initializing a drive. You cannot reformat modern drives. well some you can if you have a machine that can boot 8.5.1, that was the last you were allowed by apple (actually that version of drive setup works in 8.1 too). I only did this once, and IIRC it only helped for a limited time. The process of zeroing it -- writing zeros to each sector on the drive causes the hardware's bad block replacement mechanism to trigger as needed. What isn't being said here, is whether the 'bad block' mechanism is operational when zeroing at the partition level, or only when the complete hard disk is being 'zeroed'. The latter is my experience. Chuck D. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: White MacBook Purchase?
On Mar 20, 11:45 am, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 2:25 PM, technophobic_...@comcast.net wrote: The gestapo has spoken. Better tremble. lol Fabian stepped up when others quit over the top posting rule change. They were frustrated over a rule change that made their previous evfforts meaningless. Fabian moderates a bit too seriously at sometimes but at least it beats no moderator at all. I got to give him credit and a certain respect. if I was a moderator I would be napping too much! I have seen a list or two on LEM descend swiftly into anarchy when the nannies nap. It ain't pretty! ;) I myself am pretty offended when people come on a list and push people to go up a notch (or more). Its fair to warn them maybe, but it oftentimes sounds to me like brainwashed commercialism proliferating itself, especially when with truth distortions. But I don't complain because a) its not my job, and b) oftentimes they just push harder (in my real life it happens). I wonder how many people leave the lists because of this without ever saying anything ? (they tell us in business marketing 9 out of 10 will). But don't mind me too much, I'm offended by apple these days almost as much as by intel almost as much as by microsoft. -- On topic: what happens if I try and plug a pair of ordinary speakers into my G4-DA ? I got a submini to mini stereo adapter, but I read on apples support site that apple speakers have a ROM which identifies them to the computer. There they say you shouldn't connect regular speakers, but they do not say it will hurt the computer or the speakers... has anyone tried it ? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best G4 powermac??
On Mar 16, 4:37 pm, Al Poulin alfred.pou...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 15, 12:17 am, Paul pper...@gmail.com wrote: How would a low-to-medium grade G5 compare? It may help to look here:http://www.macintouch.com/reviews/macpro/benchmarks.html It might help to know that a high end g4 dual is about the same as a new imac... well in a price to performance ratio looks like a g5 is a budget conscious alternative. The new macs are just as bad power hogs as the g5 though. Wish there were more about the 'books, but again looks like a powerbook is not too bad still... (again, especially considering the ratio) ... after 3 years, not a really big difference at all... Remembering apple's claim of 3-4 times speed increases which is obviously not the case. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best G4 powermac??
On Mar 17, 1:17 pm, jonas ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: Well thank you all for your help. I have decided on something else entirely. I just bought an Xserve G4 DP 1GHZ for $175.-Jonas I saw one of those myself and thought about it, but the seller wanted $400; so I passed. But I was impressed that the memory bandwidth there seemed that each cpu has separate access, which doubled it over the desktop models. But what about parts ? Does it fit standard parts such as hard drive ? What about the cpus ? Especially the hard drives... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best G4 powermac??
On Mar 12, 9:32 am, PeterH peterh5...@rattlebrain.com wrote: On Mar 12, 2009, at 9:15 AM, jonas ulrich wrote: authoring a single-layer DVD from the same source files which exceed the capacity of a single-layer DVD, I don't understand, you are overfilling it so it fails ? 1) Dual 1.0 GHz G4 -- 60 minutes [ 10.4.11, 1.5 GB 133 MHz RAM ] 2) Core 2 Duo E8400 running at 3.6 GHz -- 12.5 minutes (4.8 times as fast) [ 10.5.5, 2 GB 800 MHz RAM ] 3) Core 2 Quad Q9400 running at 3.2 GHz -- 10 minutes ( 6 times as fast) [ 10.5.6, 2 GB 800 MHz RAM ] Are you sure this is the cpu rather than the drives ? are (all) the drives exactly the same ? So, if you really want to pump the work through your machine, perhaps you could consider an Intel solution. As a practical matter, I still run a DA with a QS 2000 dual 1.0 GHz processor, mainly for Mail.app and for Classic. Almost all other work has been transferred to the Intels. That's practical ?! I do more than that with 1/4 of the computer. ( today actually its 1/10 w/ the 97 g3 and yes its a little slow sometimes, but mail is fine and so is my os9 stuff ...) Its recommended some places I respect that you should choose mission and objectives first then software then hardware. Its hard for me to see that too well but I am slowly getting it I think (largely because I have a lot of old macs and daily choosing the machine for the job). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: LEM Server Project Update
On Mar 10, 1:50 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:15:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan the listmom lowend...@gmail.com To: LEM Swap lems...@googlegroups.com Subject: LEM Server Project Update Friends: I'd like to say thanks to list members who are helping us set up a Power Mac G4 server here at Low End Mac headquarters. The original plan was to upgrade to Comcast Business and host Low End Mac here to save on hosting fees, but several people pointed out the danger of down time due to power outages. Also consider reliability and other problems with Comcast's network. ≈ Make a deal with a neighbor, to give you a jump-start as needed. how about co-location ? around here you can rent a niche with full bandwidth and total UPS for ~$100/mo. assuming your machine is reliable. Also an option is to have 2 single cpu machines in a mini cluster for backup. Instead, we're setting up a development server that may also function as a mirror of lowendmac.com just in case our primary server has problems. We'll also be hosting a few low traffic sites that don't make us money, saving us a bit on hosting fees every month. co-location again a possibility ? If I can get this 1.8 GHz dual G4 upgrade working, we may further change our plans and turn it into our production machine, replacing our dual 1 GHz MDD Power Mac G4, which would then become our in-house server. (Alas, the upgrade doesn't work with the 167 MHz bus in the MDD Power Mac.) We'll see what happens with this upgrade. Consider the electricity costs for a full-time server at 400watts versus a 1ghz Tibook at 40 watts... (plus a built in UPS). Thanks again to many generous list members for their support. Dan Knight, publisher, Low End Mac --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to LEM-Swap. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 CPU swap into Blue White G3
On Mar 5, 5:46 am, PeterH peterh5...@rattlebrain.com wrote: On Mar 5, 2009, at 5:33 AM, tonycd wrote: What's the newest variety of G4 whose swapped-out CPU will drop into a Blue White G3? I traded a megahertz for megahertz G4s for the G3s in two of my BWs, and I was disappointed. I did the same and I like it ! I have upgraded a newer 466 to a 1.5ghz and I still like the upgraded turquoise mac ! I am using it for some music stuff. Anything that uses altivec is still about 2.5 times faster here than the g3 at 450 mhz. but note it only cost me $25 (and there are regularly 400mhz g4 zif on ebay now selling for even less) however, because the memory speed limits, going to higher mhz might put too much pinch on the altivec and limit its usefulness. a possible explanation for the difference of experience : altivec support has improved in the last few years for various reasons. another reason it always depends on what you are doing -- my 33mhz powerbook540c is still very very useful (possible essential) for me ... but not for the same things. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Power Mac G3 Blue And White Upgrade info
On Mar 4, 7:33 pm, Stephen Weber maryland...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, I finally got a replacement motherboard for my G3 Blue and White (Rev1). I need to know so some stuff about doing some upgrades to it: What is the best video card I can get for it? http://cgi.ebay.com/NVIDIA-GeForce-FX5200-Mac-256MB-dual-VGA-video-card-PCI_W0QQitemZ150330126188QQihZ005QQcategoryZ25449QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem believe it or not... fully support all the core stuff through leopard (if you spring for a g4) Also I am using the CPU that came with it, what are the jumper settings for the highest clock speed for it? try a 400 to 450, but mine was unstable (went to g4 + fan an then OK, and 400 went in my beige g3 at 466..) ≈ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: swapping processors
On Mar 4, 4:04 am, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: I am still working on transferring from an old computer (Beige) to a newer 450mhz G4. I have an Encore Zif upgrade in the Beige that should also work in the G4. Does that mean that I can take the ZIF from the (I hope I have the terminology correct) G4 and put it in the Beige? My ZIF upgrade is 500mhz. I overclocked my yikes 400 mhz to 450 (with a fan). I tried 500 and i got an error on boot, but I might try it again (resetting the inside switch and pram 3 times - i am not sure I did this the first time, maybe my intuition was telling me better burn in the 450 first) I thought that the upgrades for beige were 550 rated ? your speed depends on the jumper settings... If i got a 550 I was going to try it at 600, or a 500 at 533... (with the fan which is large). I did overclock my beige and have some success at 466 (except in warm weather - I didn't try a fan and in the DT model there is not room for bigger heat sink). BTW I hung the fan below the dvd by string around it. Interested to hear your results. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NVidia GeForce MX4 question
On Mar 4, 7:57 pm, tortoise cymraeg...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 3, 9:11 pm, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: On Mar 4, 2009, at 12:06 AM, tortoise wrote: ?Drivers? Os9 includes ati drivers but not nvidia. found an os9.2.2 driver here: http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Drivers/Apple-NVIDIA-Driver.shtml My 9.2.2 partition has nVidia drivers ... well mine don't. maybe not installer does unless you have an nvidia I did a custom install last night and found the nvidia drives on 9.2.1 (no for 9.1). **Extension manager description for the basic nvidia driver says no monitor support without it *** however they're version 2.x and the link above has 3.x --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NVidia GeForce MX4 question
On Mar 3, 9:11 pm, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: On Mar 4, 2009, at 12:06 AM, tortoise wrote: ?Drivers? Os9 includes ati drivers but not nvidia. However nvidia is pretty friendly... at least for linux... found an os9.2.2 driver here: http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Drivers/Apple-NVIDIA-Driver.shtml My 9.2.2 partition has nVidia drivers ... well mine don't. maybe not installer does unless you have an nvidia card ... I remember getting an ixmicro card and finding the drivers in a custom install. however later drivers I did find for downloading. it is possible if you have X that your classic updated the drivers... I have gotten instruction before to check/install a driver before installing the card, although most cards seem to only need for acceleration -- maybe depends on if the card was supplied as oem (not for a DA and not for os9, so ...) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NVidia GeForce MX4 question
On Mar 3, 8:34 pm, Dana Collins dlcatft...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/3/09 7:34 AM, dc of dbc...@verizon.net sent Like everyone else already said, a 4MX will run in a QS. I have one in a Digital Audio, a slightly older Mac. Make sure the card is seated correctly then press the reset button on the motherboard before you close up the case. hold for 20 seconds (more zaps the battery). zap pram 3 times bonging. ? On Mar 2, 11:16 pm, Dana Collins dlcatft...@verizon.net wrote: Greetings all, Hmm... I had a spare GeForce 4MX (32Mb) video card, pulled from an MDD/ 867MHz-DP unit. For some reason it does not work in a Dig. Audio G4/733MHz. Any reason why not? Would it work in a QuickSilver (DP @ 1GHz)? (btw, it is a known good card). Many thanks, Dana Hi there, Thanks to DC and to fellow music warrior Bill for chiming in. Now my confession - I am trying to get this card (and the host Dig. Audio) to run OS 9.2.2 (for app. specific reasons; I got the spare G4, why not?). Re-seated the card, reset the board, zapped the PRAM; now then, the card actually fires up the monitor attached, but after the happy face with the welcome to Mac OS9 logo, the mouse cursor disappears and the boot-up process freezes; have to do a hard re-boot (reset button). As you may recall, in OS 9 you'll get the You didn't shut your Mac down properly window with Disk Utility doing a quick fix - I get that; the card appears to work (it displays properly), then when done, I click OK and the happy OS 9 face appears and the unit freezes again. Nothing indicative of extension conflict; just what appears to be hardware incompatibility. So, I am thinking that an NVidia 4MX and a Dig. Audio just don't work (need a 2MX or 3MX) - hence my question. Many thanks, Dana ?Drivers? Os9 includes ati drivers but not nvidia. However nvidia is pretty friendly... at least for linux... found an os9.2.2 driver here: http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Drivers/Apple-NVIDIA-Driver.shtml --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Switching off Tiger feature, on slow Mac.
First thing disable dashboard app, using TinkerTool (google it up) Take it out of the dock ! At least 512MB RAM. if slow means a 233-333 mhz then a faster cpu would help (a lot !) imho it maxes out around a 550. in my experience, going from 233 to 466 helped a bunch. I also did some overclocking which is ez with these zif cpus. Nevertheless mine is still running Jaguar. SeaMonkey browser is still supported, and I installed some nice basic versions of ported linux apps (Gimp, Scribus), and I only have 192MB RAM. Works good though, with a 16MB Rage128 Video card. Although this is an unsupported machine much of these things apply to g3 and g4 from the next few years that followed it (especially the dashboard/ RAM parts ...) On Feb 28, 8:14 pm, Mullin9 ddavidmul...@inbox.com wrote: I have a slow Beige Mac, which I made Tiger Run.. Which feature do l turn off, to make OS 10.4 more like OS 10.3? I love my Beige, 3 5.25 Drive bays, onboard SCSI, I added PCI FW card to use Tiger, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth to Supertooth
On Feb 23, 10:13 am, dadadata dadad...@gmail.com wrote: I have a Sawtooth 450mhz with AGP video. Is there any CPU drop-in that will take it to around 600-650mhz? The same kind of retrofit thingys are selling on ebay, prices range $30-50 Now how about a 600-650 ZIF ?? I can do, but don't want to do, the extra wiring tweaks involved in retrofitting a G4 Digital Audio CPU. And I realize there's a 1.xx gig upgrade available; I don't need that extra speed for this machine, which is not my main desktop. All hints Appreciated Much. -- COD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver
hi, I just got the DA case and transferred my 1.5ghz and 9200-64MB, and the rest. Works like a charm, definitely better than in the sawtooth. Actually even with the 466 cpu it seemed snappier, came out most benchmarks with xbench about 25% lower than my pismo 550g4. With upgrades, Xbench says its half the speed of his g5. OK for me. This is my high end machine. I still use the pismo and less: a couple g3s an original g4, and some quadras including a 540c I use regularly for study and writing. Just a believer in efficiency I guess, or fit to the job or something. On Jan 30, 8:45 pm, tortoise cymraeg...@gmail.com wrote: hi, I just got this 1.5ghz cpu for my sawtooth and am enjoying it. I am wondering since the card is compatible would it be worth it to go toDA. Has anybody had the two to compare ? Also could I transplant a motherboard into the sawtooth case (possibly along with the higher rated powersupply) ? There are motherboards available cheap on ebay and of course the shipping is cheaper too (and I feel better about reusing the case and recycling the old mobo if possible). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Interesting comparison of 500MHZ DP vs. 533MHZ 1.67GHZ single
On Feb 9, 3:11 pm, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: Deinterlacing Set / Not Set can make a big difference when using DVD Player. On my computer putting deinterlace on results in a pretty big picture improvement (that is less pixelated, not like drop frames) on some (?all - I left it on) dvds. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Satan before coffee
On Feb 8, 8:08 am, Dennis Myhand dmyh...@suddenlink.net wrote: Dan wrote: OMG! Satan is using 92% of my CPU! || d'oh. Safari. Okay, question from a noob here. Who is Satan in this case, or do I take it for granted you refer to the gentleman from Redmond, WA? ^ ^ ^ _ But I think Dan is wrong, Smurf is playing Satan with his head. He wants a g4 upgrade and change his name to Yikes! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PACE ??
On Feb 7, 12:03 pm, Charles Davis c...@gamewood.net wrote: MDD Dual 1.25 1GB RAM Dialup Internet connection (to watch transfer speeds) This is going to take forever Use Curl ! first, it allows you to resume partial downloads, second, it is friendlier with your computer (trust me). try in Terminal (maybe cd Desktop): man curl format basic is : curl [link] -o [filename] Downloading installed-ps3-minimal-20071212-r1.iso From http://gentoo.osuosl.org/experimental/ppc64/livecd/; On 'Activity Monitor' a strange Process shows up. 175PACE (Not Responding) ≈ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OT Woz News
Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: Yeah, good luck with that. Recent business news shows that what makes a successful CEO is snatching up trainloads of cash in a golden parachute after a few years as they decimate the company. Oh, they VPs they follow along to make sure they get theirs. Someone who cares about the company would be a start. CEOs tend to be hired guns out just for their own agenda. Ask any former Amiga user. I'll second that. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver
PeterH wrote: On Feb 4, 2009, at 9:36 PM, tortoise wrote: The cited ePray auction, above, is for a later 100 MHz bus CPU in an earlier 100 MHz bus Mac, not a 133 MHz bus CPU (such as QS or DA) in a 100 MHz bus Mac As far as I know, no 600mhz 7410 put in a 100mhz bus machine was made. And the seller there declares it came from a 1...@800mhz, and that he modified it (in an unspecified way). He's been posting these one at a time for some time now. There's one going now currently (the link I posted had expired). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver
On Feb 2, 2:14 pm, PeterH peterh5...@rattlebrain.com wrote: On Feb 2, 2009, at 1:51 PM, PeterH wrote: The dual 800 MHz G4 (QS 2001) and the dual 1.0 GHz G4 (QS 2002) use the same raw board, but these are otherwise quite different, with different regulator components, etcetera, between the two. The point being: The dual 0.8 GHz (800 MHz) QS 2001 board is intentially run at a lower (i.e., cooler) voltage than the dual 1.0 GHz (1000 MHz) QS 2001 board, although the boards are identical before they are stuffed with their active components. Do you know the mod to make QS cpu work in sawtooth ? If I could do that it might help me get more resale value... there was a guy on ebay selling the 800s that come out to 600 on the 100mhz bus, looks like a 733 would work out to 550 like that. Don't know how hard it is to do tho. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: looking for some help
On Feb 1, 5:30 pm, roger deghetto linuxuse...@yahoo.com wrote: i have a mdd powermac and non of my computer geek friends could answer me and the one just made it worse i know its i wikipeda didnt seem to help me much either is what is dvi to hidef i know its digital but that doesnt help is it hidef.im thinking its not but on a google search most of the stuff i found was about hooking hdtvs up to dvi so what is dvi hd or no? thanks roger I think hdtv uses hdmi cable which as the other guy indicates is DVI + audio. I think there are dvi to hdmi cable which skip the audio, then you would deal with that from the mac separately (you can also put the mac audio into a hifi stereo very nicely). Anyway I hate keyword searching when you don't have the exact right term it is bad news. For phrase/ descriptive searches of wikipedia only, you might like Powerset, it is an overlayed interface to wikipedia which IMHO is wonderful help when you need it... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: best browser now
On Jan 31, 8:17 am, Peter peter1...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 31, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Dan wrote: At 8:39 PM -0800 1/30/2009, tortoise wrote: It seems to me that icab is now fastest browser for powerpc. I should have been clearer perhaps. I had tried icab before and found it slow, even recently, but the latest release is a lot faster. I had been using firefox and then I went to a g4 optimized version of Seamonkey. Then I got the newest icab. Its quite a bit better on my 550g4 (7410). iCab does seem pretty quick. I'm finding WebKit nightly to be a bit faster tho. According to Wikipedia, icab is using webkit for its rendering... I think that icab benefits from the authors experience and focus on mac exclusively. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
best browser now
It seems to me that icab is now fastest browser for powerpc. I had been using firefox and then I went to a g4 optimized version of Seamonkey. Then I got the newest icab. Its quite a bit better on my 550g4 (7410). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver
hi, I just got this 1.5ghz cpu for my sawtooth and am enjoying it. I am wondering since the card is compatible would it be worth it to go to DA. Has anybody had the two to compare ? Also could I transplant a motherboard into the sawtooth case (possibly along with the higher rated powersupply) ? There are motherboards available cheap on ebay and of course the shipping is cheaper too (and I feel better about reusing the case and recycling the old mobo if possible). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
