Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com
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Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Dark,
HOw much do you want it and why are you giving up so easily?
I'm not trying
Hi Kara.
Fair enough and I appreciate the appology. I should have some access news
about another game on friday which came from a discussion with an Indi
developer however he himself has asked me to not jump the gun since he wants
to give me some more information.
I do take your point about
Hi Dark:
All too true. We have been over this ground before, and unfortunately
there is not much we can do as individuals. Especially, when
organizations and so forth is not on our side in the case of providing
access to products and services.
For example, I know there are a number of game
Hi Tom.
Your statement about small developers is certainly true as I've said before,
indi devs tend to be on average very nice to deal with, though whether
the fat cat coorporations such as Sony, Nintendo, Capcom, square, namco etc
will take any notice whatsoever is quite another
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly
game
Hi Dark:
All too true. We have been over this ground before, and unfortunately
there is not much we can do as individuals. Especially, when
organizations and so forth
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly
game
Possibly, just because a corporation does not offer a braille menu, a
manager might do so. Just because The Game Stop does not sell accessible
chess equipment, one store
, December 11, 2013 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi Dark:
All too true. We have been over this ground before, and unfortunately
there is not much we can do as individuals. Especially, when
organizations and so forth is not on our side
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Possibly, just because a corporation does not offer a braille menu, a manager
might do
Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly
game
Hi Dark:
All too true. We have been over this ground before, and unfortunately
there is not much we can do as individuals. Especially, when
the grue!
dark.
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From: Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly
game
Dark,
HOw much do you want it and why
I agree there tom about html and menues etc, and certainly it's something
I've used in the past for access to things like theatre time tables,
programs of events etc, even though from the perspective of the theatres etc
the html on their sites are not intended for access at all.
The problem
Hi Dark:
You are exactly right. Any time a company does an inquiry about
accessibility they only get half the story. Usually some overly priced
access solution that does not serve their needs, because the
organizations for the blind are out to make a buck off of making
something accessible. So
well tom I do think a lot of the stuff I get here is imported.
At 02:44 AM 12/10/2013, you wrote:
Hi Shaun,
That is insane. I think it only costs me on average about $50 for a
ream of braille paper. Of course, I haven't purchased any in a long
time so costs could have gone up, but it never
I don't know how much is organizations trying to maintain their monopoly,
and how much is just people assuming that all blind people are over 70 and
thus don't use computers with compitance *cough Azabat! *cough!
At an rnib event I was at earlier this year for instance (I only went to see
the
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Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly
game
I agree there tom about html and menues etc, and certainly it's something
I've used in the past for access to things like theatre time tables,
programs of events
Unfortunately as usual, getting in touch with anyone who actually matters in
a corporation is near impossibel. However pleasant the staff, even the
management are, they can't affect any change in their huge faceless
corporate empire that is run from some massive office somewhere else.
As with
well I wander if you can get instructions for hotels and rules etc
you could convert it to a pc game or get jim kitchen to do it, I am
interested in playing this at least on the laptop.
At 10:18 PM 12/4/2013, you wrote:
Hi Shaun:
Hmm...I don't know of that game specifically, but there have
Well on the pluss side, a lot of the mainstream
devices have some or at least enough access to go for some general use.
My high quality philips recorder for example has
enough access via its layout for me to use it without any real issues.
my soni recorders always had enouch access to core
Well then you are lucky.
It seems these days especially when on holiday in the times we can
get out which does not seem that often since just about everyone bar
me ofcause has a job and a life, board games are talked about and
sometimes brought but usually by the time we get to them it just
Well tom I have had to buy braille paper from my local blind org and
for members it can be quite cheap.
but for normal schools and such or anyone that is not a member the
paper can cost upwards of 200-400 dollars a rheme.
something like 50 up a sheet and thats just standard grades.
Though to be
I never got into a board game club, the family is always pestering me
to get involved in something, sports, and other things.
Though I did do something about one of the things I was told to do I
never followed through with things on a serious level.
I know a lot of my religious friends play dnd
Hi Charles,
Oh, I don't disagree with that. The cost for a standard deck of
braille playing cards is outrageous even though they do last longer
and have large print on them. It is easier, if one has a braille
writer, just to buy a standard deck of cards and braille them
yourself.
Cheers!
On
Hi Shaun,
That is insane. I think it only costs me on average about $50 for a
ream of braille paper. Of course, I haven't purchased any in a long
time so costs could have gone up, but it never cost me nearly what you
are saying it costs for you guys down in New Zealand for braille
paper.
As for
Hi Shaun,
I am sure I could. After all, I use to own the game and remember most
of the rules from memory. About the only thing I don't remember right
off the top of my head is the prices for each hotel, the costs of the
swimming pools, and the various properties to build the hotels on. I
am sure
Hi Dark,
That is one thing I do appreciate about the commercial braille cards.
They have braille in the top left-hand corner and in the bottom
right-hand corner so it does not matter if it is upside down as you
can still read the card. As you said it is not complicated to
replicate that feature,
Well I think access should be all and not just for sertain dissabilities.
Blind products should be called blind products.
Yeah I know thats really bad mouthing the blind
but accessable implies total access to everyone.
One issue with some of this is to make stuff
accessable for say the blind
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly
game
Hi Dark,
That is one thing I do appreciate about the commercial braille cards.
They have braille in the top left-hand corner and in the bottom
right-hand corner so it does
gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly
game
Speaking of games and community…
there are actually some iOS games which can promote activities with others.
On a trip to FL in recent years, I was hanging
Well it's true about the larger symbols, that actually helps me since I
appreciate being able to use my vision as well as the braille when playing.
I also like the fact that with braille cards the braille symbols are always
in the corners at the top and bottom so that it doesn't matter if your
.
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Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly
game
Hi Dark:
Oh, yes. Any time something is developed
Hi Thomas,
We still play games here. In our community room we have WII bowling night,
bingo night, pea knuckle night and general game night. Yahtzee is popular. I
try, but no one wants to play me games of Up Words, Spades or chess. Still
though it is great to get together with neighbors
Speaking of games and community…
there are actually some iOS games which can promote activities with others.
On a trip to FL in recent years, I was hanging out with friends and we had a
right fun game of truth or dare played on the iPhone! lol!
There are actually quite a few party games for
, 2013 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly
game
Speaking of games and community…
there are actually some iOS games which can promote activities with others.
On a trip to FL in recent years, I was hanging out with friends and we had a
right fun game
!
- Original Message - From: Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Speaking of games and community…
there are actually some iOS games
Hi Charles:
That is true. Although, there are a couple of good reasons to buy the
accessible decks from Independent Living Aids etc. One is that the
cards are bigger and have large print on them so they are easier to
read if playing with a low vision player. The other is they make the
cards out
finished,
you! really! are! finished!
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly
game
Hi Charles
Hi Shaun:
Hmm...I don't know of that game specifically, but there have been many
clones of Monopoly out there. One of my favorites was a game called
Hotels where you went around the world building famous hotels. It was
a lot cooler than Monopoly, but unfortunately I no longer have a copy
of that
Well Kara we of course don't exactly have lobbies like the Us does over here
in Britain, or at least not officially although the government has
various advisary bodies.
The problem however at least in britain is that most of the portrates of the
blind in media come from organizaitons
Hi Cara:
Very true. We, the Audyssey community, do need to get more pro active
about encouraging ACB, NFB, AFB, etc in getting more games made
available to the blind community. A lot of times people on this list
and over on the Audiogames.net forum complain about accessibility of
mainstream games
Actually if you meet with people who are interested in rp and the like,
board and card games are as much known about and played as computer games.
My brother regularly plays both wii party games and fantasy board games like
Talisman with his friends, and if you go to sites like dwarfstar
Hi Tom.
You do certainly have a point there, certainly in my family with three
visually impared people, two of whome, (my mum and I), braille users,
brailling board games is something we've done for years. Indeed over
christmas we'll probably play some card games or maybe Yachzee, and if we
Hi Dark:
Well, there is some truth to braille embossing being prohibitively
expensive compared to a print book or menu. I remember when I was in
high school and one of the complaints my local high school had about
taking me on as a mainstream student was the cost of getting my
textbooks from APH.
Hi Dark:
I figured as much. After all, here in the States toy stores like
Toys-R-Us have an entire isle devoted to card and board games and it
typically includes everything from the classics like Monopoly, Life,
Sorry, Trouble, and Chess to more advanced games like Talisman and
Battle Tech. If
Hi tom.
Well while I agree on material costs, at the same time as you said yourself
the markup is frankly insane on access products, because it's a captive and
small markit manufacturers of accessible goods and providers of accessible
services basically charge through the roof. I think the
Hi Tom.
Looking at my university society's page, there are societies for chess,
Backgammon, Poker and indeed Bridge, so people are definitely playing these
sorts of games.
I might have the name of monster city battle wrong, before you go looking
let me ask my brother for the exact details,
Hi Dark,
Someone told me that this is a rule, but I'm not sure if it is in the rules, or
if it is just that is what the game comes with. And that is the number of
houses and hotels. My version of the game does not have that limit. And so
especially if you are playing with money on free
a game of
monopoly where more than about 7 or 8 streets had them.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
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From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net
To: dark Gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding
, December 04, 2013 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly
game
Hi Jim.
I'd always sort of assumed that at least the idea! was to have hotels for
every property on the board, even if there weren't quite enough to do that
(especially with older sets where
Hi Jim,
Its not an official rule. It is just that a standard Monopoly set only
comes with a limited number of houses and hotels, and it is possible
to run out of them during game play. This of course adds an element of
strategy because you need to think more about where you place houses
and
Hi Dark,
I figured as much. As I said when I was in college there were clubs
for all kinds of games not just RPG games. There were groups for
Bridge, Poker, Chess, Checkers, etc and I didn't figure that they
would just vanish as Shaun indicated is the case where he lives.
Personally I think his
Hi Dark:
Oh, yes. Any time something is developed for the blind, is marketed as
an access product, the cost is insane. Not because it costs that much
to actually make it, but because we are a captive minority market.
As you mentioned the novelty key ring finders only cost perhaps $5 USD
if that.
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Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly
game
Heh. Now there's an interesting hearts variant. Takes a lot
] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly
game
Hi Dark,
Well, while I would like to play some of those fantasy board games you
speak of myself unfortunately I would have to own it or at least the
rule book in order to make a software version of the game. Since I
don't have
Hi Dark,
Money on free parking is not an official rule, but it is a popular variation
that allot of people like to play with. I have that option in my game of
monopoly. I also have where you do or do not collect rent if you are in jail
as well as an option for an auction for a property that
Hi Dark:
I know. The problem is, as you well know, there is a certain mindset
about the blind that we are all over 60, that we wouldn't be
interested in anything like that, and so the companies that
manufacturer and sell accessible card and board games tend to stick to
the bog standard games like
Gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 10:55 AM
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game
Hi Dark,
Money on free parking is not an official rule, but it is a popular
variation that allot of people like to play with. I have that option in
my
All that is unfrotunately true, heck, you can't even get tactile rpg dice,
(hence my question about an Iphone dice program), despite the fact that
tabletop rp is one of the most intrinsically accessible forms of game to
play, heck, with so many manuals and rule books now available from
: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly
game
All that is unfrotunately true, heck, you can't even get tactile rpg dice,
(hence my question about an Iphone dice program), despite the fact that
tabletop rp is one of the most intrinsically accessible forms of game to
play
: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly
game
Hi Jim.
I know you had that rule change in your game, it's just one which has
always confused me a little as to it's logic.
I can see the point of auctions for properties landed on and not bought,
though to be honest I don't
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game
The official rules are that, if a property is landed on that has not been
bought, it is immediately auctioned off
: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 7:07 AM
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game
Hi Jim.
I know you had that rule change in your game, it's just one which has
always confused me a little as to it's logic.
I can see the point of auctions for properties landed
and you
had one that they wanted.
Phil
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The official rules
Hi Thomas,
excellent point about affecting the decisions of manufacturers.
Let me suggest that this is where our lobbies come in or rather, are supposed
to come in. ;)
Groups such as the ACB and NFB are really supposed to be fulfilling these roles
as they do place themselves in the position
: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly
game
The official rules are 2 $500 bills, 2 $100 bills, 2 $50 bills, 6 $20
bills, 5 $10 bills, 5 $5 bills, and 5 $1 bills. I wonder if they are
different in the UK, although I wouldn't think so.
---
Shepherds are the best beasts
Well the rules I mention are from the version I own which is the brailled
version by the Rnib, and knowing what they're like, while it is a good set
with clear markings and decent colours it might be possible that it had some
earlier varients of the rules.
As I said however it's the
:29 AM
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game
Well for a start the London version of monopoly that I know which is
commonly used in the Uk doesn't use Dollars :D.
Then again monopoly seems to have a lot of rule variation. When i
originally played
Hi Dark,
Well, you are right there are many different versions of Monopoly with
custom rules and changes in money. In the Star Trek and Star Wars
boards I had instead of money they were called credits which makes
sense. In the Lord of the Rings version there was a ring that traveled
around the
the grue!
dark.
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Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 11:46 AM
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Hi Dark,
Well, you are right
Discussion list
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Well for a start the London version of monopoly that I know which is commonly
used in the Uk doesn't use Dollars :D.
Then again monopoly seems to have a lot of rule variation. When i originally
played
: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 12:13 AM
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Wow Haiden, those aren't the distributions I know. In all the rules I know
it's 4
Well I wouldn't be a nazi about it, but while I can certainly see bennifits
for many rule changes that one sort of confuses me since I don't see what it
adds to the game other than the chance to grab extra money at random. But
then again if people like the rule fair enough, it's certainly not a
[mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark
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Well I wouldn't be a nazi about it, but while I can certainly see bennifits
for many rule changes that one sort
with special events and the like.
Beware the grue!
dark.
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Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 11:46 AM
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I must say its been years since I have been
playing with family board or card games in the physical case anymore.
There was a time back in the past before people
really got busy with life we would use to do that.
Sadly thats mostly gone now.
Even when we are away unless we part with almost
Hi Shaun,
I can sort of relate to that although my situation is a bit different.
When I was growing up I use to play board and card games with my mom
and her friends, but when I got into my teens etc those friendly
gatherings were few and far between. There was a long stretch where I
didn't play
Hi all,
I think that this is not Off-Topic. It is about a game that is accessible,
although it is not neither video nor audio game but a braille monopoly that I
ordered on Ebay and it arrived some time ago. Now I am trying to play and have
some questions, and if this is off-topic I will make no
gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 2:12 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi all,
I think that this is not Off-Topic. It is about a game that is accessible,
although it is not neither video nor audio game but a braille monopoly that
I
Hi Milo.
Firstly, if your braille monopoly is like the one I've owned it should have
instructions in braille, but just in case not I'll answer your questions.
Firstly regarding how to tell bought or mograged properties, well usually
for sighted players laying the property cards along the
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly
game
Hi Milo.
Firstly, if your braille monopoly is like the one I've owned it should
have instructions in braille, but just in case not I'll answer your
questions.
Firstly regarding how to tell bought or mograged
? Is it stated
in the rules?
Best regards, and thanks!
Milos Przic
twitter: MilosPrzic
skype: Milosh-hs
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Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 3:04 AM
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Hi Milos,
sure you can do that. The player who gets paid can give back the rest, or
you can change money in the bank if a player maybe has too many or not
enough notes of one kind. That's vital to the game, if you couldn't do these
things you would get stuck all the time because of lack of
Hi Milos,
This is in deed on topic so no worries. When this list was originally
established back in the mid 90's the list included all accessible
games including standard board, puzzle, and card games in braille as
well as electronic versions. So I am glad you asked your questions
here. As to
Hi Milos,
Absolutely. I don't know if it is in the rules but it is common sense
if you owe another player $2 and all you have is a $5 to give him/her
a $5 and get three $1's back in exchange. That is the only way the
game would work because after a while it is necessary for one player
or the
Hi Milo.
Funny you didn't get a manual. It's stated in the Monopoly rules that at the
start of the game, one player is designated the banker. This doesn't
actually mean anything in play terms, or give any advantages to that player,
but basically the banker is the one who handles all the
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Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 9:16 PM
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Hi Milos,
This is in deed on topic so no worries. When this list was originally
established back
] Some practical questions reguarding the Monopoly game
Hi all,
I think that this is not Off-Topic. It is about a game that is accessible,
although it is not neither video nor audio game but a braille monopoly that
I ordered on Ebay and it arrived some time ago. Now I am trying to play and
have
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Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 9:16 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
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game
Hi Milos,
This is in deed on topic so no worries. When this list
: dark d...@xgam.org
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Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 12:12 AM
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Wow Haiden, those aren't the distributions I know. In all the rules I
know it's 4 hundreds, one fifty, two tens
Przic milos.pr...@gmail.com
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Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 8:15 PM
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game
Hello all, it's me again with one more question. Now that I know how to
distribute the money, it can
Hi Charles:
I am not sure about the U.K. rule book, but what you stated below
matches with my son's Monopoly board game rule book. I scanned the
appropriate section and the American rules are two $500's, two $100's,
two $50's, six $20's, and five of everything else. Pretty easy to
remember, and
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