Re: [gecko]Open discussion - membership fee structure

[Melody Hartley]

IMHO not often enough -- postage and other costs go up every year!

On 4/5/2011 6:53 PM, Leann Christenson wrote:


Maybe it's just late at night (here in Alabama) and my mind is not 
working, but I am not understanding this.  Maybe a bit more explanation?


--in over ten years of GGA, there has only been one price change.  
This would be the second.  That isn't too often, is it?


--look at what other herpetological charge for their memberships

http://www.zenscientist.com/index.php?option=com_comprofilertask=registersItemid=1002 
http://www.zenscientist.com/index.php?option=com_comprofilertask=registersItemid=1002 



-Original Message-
From: gecko-ad...@lists.gekkota.com 
[mailto:gecko-ad...@lists.gekkota.com] On Behalf Of Julie Bergman

Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:16 PM
To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com
Subject: Re: [gecko]Open discussion - membership fee structure

I think we can do (or our treasurer can do if we ask) some cost

averaging on all membership is to pay for, postage, printing, some room

for new projects, rainy day (margin of safety), etc. and set up a

pricing structure for membership based on percentages. Can you please do

this Leann? This way it will not need major reconsideration so often.

When it does and if one of the percentages for something is out of

whack, that part can be restructured and a motion to make a change to it

only can be made and not to the whole thing comprehensively.

Best,

Julie

On 4/5/2011 11:54 AM, Leann Christenson wrote:

 Setting a price is a tricky business.



 You look at several things:

 What is the past cost (past printing  postage costs)

 Look at known price increases (US postage prices are going up)

 Take in consideration the worse case scenario

 Always put overhead as the base cost

 Look at today's prices.



 Setting a price is not trying to save the most money, it's 
anticipating the


 difference of what it will cost, what the consumer will pay, and 
what you


 need to keep in business.



 So, even if Jon comes up with a place to print in China at half the 
cost, it


 isn't hardly considered it until it's closer time to print.



 What the hecky does that mean?



 Parents say:  How much do you want to go to the movies, Bobby Jr?

 Bobby thinks:  $6 to get a ticket, $5 for a coke, $5 for pop corn.  
But I


 may want some candy and I really want to play some arcade games.  I 
know


 getting a $20 bill will be easy for them but I am gonna ask for $30.

 Parents balk at $30 but hand Bobby $25.

 Everyone is happy.



 The GGA looks at what it costs right now.  We know that we are 
losing money


 on some overseas members.  We know the US dollar is weak compared to 
the


 Euro.  Best to base costs for here in the US (worse case scenario).



 I am leaning toward a membership price in both Euro  USD price

 GGA Member - USD $40, Euro 30(?)



 I am investigating how our new bank account works with Euros.  They 
are an


 international banking establishment.



 Leann





 -Original Message-

 From: gecko-ad...@lists.gekkota.com 
[mailto:gecko-ad...@lists.gekkota.com]


 On Behalf Of Jon  Stacy Boone

 Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 1:09 PM

 To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com

 Subject: RE: [gecko]Open discussion - membership fee structure



 Sorry for my lack of cooperation at the moment.  Two teams of 
scientists are


 here for 10-12 days with portable labs set up in my gecko building and

 testing numerous species of geckos for toe pad efficiency and 
performance.


 They have been working 14-18 hours/day on piles of animals while 
testing


 their adhesion strength, and then running them on treadmills to 
determine


 which species perform best and different temps, and compare between

 diurnality and nocturnality.  It is interesting to note that not 
only the


 federal government, but the collective US armed forces offer a lot 
of grant


 money for scientific work on these topics.  It's further interesting 
to see


 it happening with your own geckos and how applicable the adhesion 
strength


 of gecko toes can be even for the US military.



 I find nothing wrong with increasing the price of Gekko by the proposed

 amounts.

 The drawbacks to increasing membership rates, at least at this 
moment, have


 already been discussed.



 Is it financially important enough to examine the potential for 
having Gekko


 actually printed in Germany?

 The person I have in mind for doing this also possesses a strong 
ability to


 market the extra Gekko copies and memberships.

 Since I do not have previous experience with the costs and issues of

 commercially mailing Gekko to Europe, perhaps some of you might 
suggest that


 it's just cheaper to print them here and mail them to Europe and 
absorb the


 related costs?



 Jon









 -Original Message-

 From: gecko-ad...@lists.gekkota.com 
[mailto:gecko-ad...@lists.gekkota.com]


 On Behalf Of Leann Christenson

 Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:47 AM

 To: 

Re: [gecko]Treasurer Report: Membership Prices, Bookstore Prices

[Melody Hartley]

I think the US membership fee could go up more than $3 and no one would 
strongly object.  I think we should raise it $5 at least (that would be 
$37) or even to $40.  We need some wriggle room somewhere!


On 4/1/2011 8:12 AM, Julie Bergman wrote:

Call for a discussion from the President!

Julie

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 1, 2011, at 7:12 AM, Leann Christenson le...@daygecko.com 
mailto:le...@daygecko.com wrote:


*This is not an open discussion or debate.  This is a report.  When 
the President and VP call for a discussion, then there can be a 
discussion. *


Treasures Report:

This last week I've made an exhaustive look at the costs of 
Memberships and bookstore items.


Overall, the GGA does need to set new prices.  In almost every 
category, prices do not reflect what the GGA pays for items and is 
loosing money.


Understanding that Year 7 brings many changes to the GGA.  The 
membership suggested changes are for the current *Year 6.*


*Bookstore *

Gekko current price $7.50 members, $10 non members, Bulk $5-$6

Actual costs, especially the last two issues with 64 pages, are 
costing the GGA $7.00+ each to print.  This does not cover overhead 
costs which are always included in merchandise prices.


Since the Bookstore defrays the cost of Gekko inventory (not yet sold 
items), the GGA is loosing money and loosing potential income.


/New Prices/:

Gekko, membership price $8.00

Gekko, non member price $12.00

Bulk price: $6.50 25 or more,  $7.00 ea 10 or more

*Membership *

USA: $32, Canada/Mexico: $34, Overseas: $36

On April 11, USPS is increasing postal prices by approximately 11%.  
The membership fees have not reflected increased postage costs in 
over 8 years.


I have investigated mailing from locations other than the US.   Large 
mailing companies who specialize finding the best postal prices in 
the world all say the same thing:


1) The US has the lowest postage rates in the world.

2) The best way to mail to multiple locations in the world is to mail 
from each country (thus avoiding international postage rates and 
customs).  This means mail to UK members from UK post office and not 
from the US.


Since the GGA represents so many countries but not a large number of 
people in any one county except the US, printing and mailing from any 
other country does not save money.  (German 13 and Denmark 11 have 
the most other than the US).


I don't want to give up on this but at this time, it is still costing 
too much effort and money to print in France or another county.  But 
I am continuing to look at this option.  I am not giving up yet.


Based on all this, I am recommending these new membership categories 
to better reflect the specific postage costs fairly and to better 
represent the overseas members (who don't consider themselves as 
overseas).


//

/New Membership Localities  Price //:/

North America $35

Southern Continent $45

Central Europe $40

Middle East and Asia $45

I don't think the debate should be cost (I think should be more), 
this reflects a fair and reasonable membership increase.  What is 
important is paying attention to how the GGA (a global group) refers 
to it's members.


Submitted by Leann Christenson


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Re: [gecko]GGA Forum Website

[Melody Hartley]

Hi all, especially Julie I think...

I would like to see the statistics for the website, especially if we 
have kept a history.  I have trouble believing it is a heavily 
trafficked site now, but I could be wrong.  It would also give us a 
background and something to aim for in getting more traffic with an 
updated site, which often translates into new members = $$.  Just like 
the money, it's best to know just where we stand.


Thanks,
Melody

On 3/28/2011 7:31 AM, Jon  Stacy Boone wrote:
  As pitiful as it is, the GGA website is a heavily trafficed site.  Statistics say it's one of the top Google and yahoo referals for geckos.   It's been there for so long.  It's was set up very well for webbots to find.   

I wonder what people refer to for?  There is very little info., 
resources, updated stuff, etc.



Perhaps the original site can be maintained independently, but IMHO 
needs to be completely rebuilt.  It is not only outdated, but looks 
even more so than it actually is.


Jon

*From:*gecko-ad...@lists.gekkota.com 
[mailto:gecko-ad...@lists.gekkota.com] *On Behalf Of *Julie Bergman

*Sent:* Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:50 PM
*To:* gecko@lists.gekkota.com
*Subject:* Re: [gecko]GGA Forum  Website

Agree, a popular website domain is like gold! Mine is much the same 
way, just wanted to air this out with other folks so mine wasn't the 
only viewpoint represented on this.


Non-established domains say fly by night, this is another reason for 
keeping our established domain name.


Now it is our challenge to turn that traffic into members, and if not 
members a mechanism for funding through the bookstore for those 
seeking info sources about geckos. The free information there also 
helps fulfill our mission and generates good will in the community. 
That is where the energy should be re-focused that is going to Chit 
Chat now IMHO.


Julie

On 3/27/2011 12:21 PM, Leann Christenson wrote:

A forum = place to share ideas, chat, discuss   
 
A website = central location on the web for information about a group/company.  Search engines look for websites.   
 
Just like Repashy Super Food there are two parts.  One is Repashy's website.  The second part is the forum. They link.   
 
www.store.repashy.com  http://www.store.repashy.comwww.forum.rephasy.com  http://www.forum.rephasy.com   They are linked.   
 
Putting all the GGA Website content onto the forum and dropping the website = does not make sense.   
 
Note:  the domain name gekkota.com is paid up for five years.   
 
As pitiful as it is, the GGA website is a heavily trafficed site.  Statistics say it's one of the top Google and yahoo referals for geckos.   It's been there for so long.  It's was set up very well for webbots to find.   
 




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Re: [gecko]GGA Forum Website

[Melody Hartley]

I thought so too -- done already!

On 3/28/2011 10:05 AM, Powell's wrote:
One thing I would suggest in the list of genera under each heading do 
not include sp. or spp.,


Best,

Chuck

Charles  Barbara Powell
American Dendrobatid Group
www.frogday.org

--- On *Mon, 3/28/11, Melody Hartley /mhart...@ix.netcom.com/* wrote:


From: Melody Hartley mhart...@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: [gecko]GGA Forum  Website
To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com
Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 11:29 AM

Hi all,

I am working on proofreading the forum and making minor changes
there (per Herve's request) but I'm not finished yet.

Melody

On 3/28/2011 7:33 AM, Leann Christenson wrote:

 Sounds good, Jon. How about all the board members visit the GGA
forum and post approval, comments (or say nay - informal vote),
then a link can be put on the website? There is already a page on
the GGA web for forum information and link.

 http://www.gekkota.com/html/listserve.html

 BTY - Gekko 6.1 is now on the GGA website.

 http://www.gekkota.com/

 http://www.gekkota.com/html/book_store.html

 Leann

 *From:*gecko-ad...@lists.gekkota.com
/mc/compose?to=gecko-ad...@lists.gekkota.com
[mailto:gecko-ad...@lists.gekkota.com
/mc/compose?to=gecko-ad...@lists.gekkota.com] *On Behalf Of *Jon
 Stacy Boone
 *Sent:* Monday, March 28, 2011 10:20 AM
 *To:* gecko@lists.gekkota.com
/mc/compose?to=gecko@lists.gekkota.com
 *Subject:* RE: [gecko]GGA Forum  Website

 Just as a suggestion: If the old GGA site is to be maintained
due to the traffic that gets there, perhaps just a tab on the site
for the new forum should be installed in a manner where it is
plainly visible.

 *From:*gecko-ad...@lists.gekkota.com
/mc/compose?to=gecko-ad...@lists.gekkota.com
[mailto:gecko-ad...@lists.gekkota.com
/mc/compose?to=gecko-ad...@lists.gekkota.com] *On Behalf Of
*Leann Christenson
 *Sent:* Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:08 AM
 *To:* gecko@lists.gekkota.com
/mc/compose?to=gecko@lists.gekkota.com
 *Subject:* RE: [gecko]GGA Forum  Website

 FORUM

 Communicating the existence of the GGA Forum to a FEW folks is
beneficial, Melody and Elizabeth being ideal.

 With a few people looking it over, we can get an idea of
adjustments, things that are great, etc. Hervé can move forward.

 The banner on the GGA website - is that a good possibility?

 WEBSITE

 Having the OLD website with information and content up to
date gives a new webmaster/web designer something to work from.

 Brittney's main complaint was a lack of input from Board members.

 Her efforts were taken from the old Website. Pretty much this is
how most all web designers start - working from what exists.

 Updating INFORMATION on the old/current website is very, very
beneficial.

 Potential members have correct information, past members see
effort from the board.

 Based on that, I will keep getting bits of the OLD website
current….to our benefit.

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Re: [gecko]GGA Forum Website - costs explanations

[Melody Hartley]

Hi all,

I just looked at gekkota.com, though not in great detail.  I don't see 
any reason to abandon the work that has gone into that.  A lot of things 
-- photos, care sheets. sounds, etc., would be the same.  I'm thinking 
it rather needs a makeover or new face, and some things, like 
discussions and classifieds, probably work better on the forum.  But the 
existing website is a good reference tool.  Yes it has broken links, 
text problems, inconsistencies and typos, but those are not that hard to 
fix.  And believe me, as a professional technical writer I know that 
whenever anyone changes ANY text, it needs to be checked again because 
errors have probably been introduced!  So even a new website will have 
these and need them fixed.  I have played around with web pages enough 
to make my own website and help a few friends, and I know basic HTML, 
but I might not know everything that's involved.  But it doesn't look 
that broken to me, and not even that outdated, though it's rather 
plain  -- there are all sorts of websites out there, in all sorts of 
styles.  I also realize that from a web designer's point of view it is 
more interesting and fun to create something new than to do maintenance 
on existing code..


Melody

On 3/28/2011 11:42 AM, Leann Christenson wrote:

Let me try to illustrate what I think is going on. This is either gonna make
it easier to understand or just confuse everyone.

The GGA pays Hostway each year for space (gga website), bandwidth, and
features (Board listserve).
The space holds our website (o=the GGA web at www.gekkota.com):
Space paid by GGA:  
space currently used: O

Britney was making a new website:
NNN

But instead of putting it unpublished on the Hostway site, she put the
unpublished GGA website on her own Host company's space.  Naturally she pays
for that space for her own website and 'volunteered' (whether she was aware
of this or not) to put it on her site until it was done.  Her website, her
forum are all at her host site.

GGA's paid storage space at Hostway went utilized by Britney, for reasons I
don't know.

(I don't have web building skills or web master skills, but I went to the
GGA Hostway account management and figured out how to do some simple stuff.
I changed the list serve to be used by the Board and I've updated some GGA
pages.)

The unpublished GGA site could have been stored at Hostway.  The unpublished
GGA site, once complete, would simply become published and the old GGA
site would be stored.

Recently, I copied Brittney's entire unpublished GGA website on my hard
drive.

I am not skilled enough to use her data and incorporate it in the old
website.  But, I can change text in the old website and some pictures.

How do we do a new GGA website?  A skilled web person and create a new GGA
site on their desktop.  The new site can be incorporated into the old one or
simply replace the old one.  Which will they choose to do?  Depends on their
skill levels.

Leann




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Re: [gecko]GGA Forum

[Melody Hartley]

Hi Neil,

I'm glad you're doing it (and not me) and thanks!  I goof around with 
graphics but am not a pro.


Melody

On 3/26/2011 9:18 PM, geckomeister wrote:

Hi Hervé, Julie, and Melody,

I am already working on a banner and will have something by Monday. I do this 
sort of thing for a living, so there's no need for others to put to much time 
in on it. I'll send something around for feedback before we put anything up. We 
should be working towards coordinating our visual identity and making things 
consistent regarding how the logo and name are used. I can work on this as 
well, but it will take some time to develop proper standards.

Neil


On 2011-03-27, at 12:45 AM, Hervé Saint Dizier wrote:


Hi Julie,

Yes, the GGA banner should be re-worked using vectors but I don't have any 
software doing that, so the idea is most welcome! Just send me the final 
version whenever it's ready.
Melody was on the list when I posted the link to the forum, as for Elizabeth I 
have never denied I had contacts with her (not about the GGA, more like a gecko 
penfriend) so I simply asked her to open an account and tell me her opinion, as 
she has experience with forums too.
Trust me as I have plans in mind for all the Internet side of the GGA, it's 
just a matter of time, I wouldn't worry in terms of huge delays or feasability 
of such or such thing. Personal thought: we might waste energy on trying to 
make a patchwork with operational and non-operational parts with the old 
website, but I tend to think something brand new is way better than a piece of 
old torn cloth with too much repairs on it ;) I'm nearly a noob with html but 
with phpBB1 or 2 that's another story ;)

With all due respect,

Hervé

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From: gec...@cal.net
To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com
Subject: [gecko]GGA Forum
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 20:36:35 -0700

Herve, I did not realize the forums were open (I've seen Melody and
Elizabeth Freer on there posting), can we hold off on telling folks
about it for now until we have all had a chance to check it out and give
some feedback on it?

I don't know if anyone else that has looked on the forum noticed but the
GGA banner at the top is pixelated a fair amount for me, can we use a
higher quality graphic? I can ask my other half to work on that if you
like.

Looks like a great start for a forum in general, good work Herve!

Best,

Julie

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Re: [gecko]GGA Board List Test

[Melody Hartley]

Got it!  Am I supposed to be on this?

On 3/24/2011 4:29 AM, Leann Christenson wrote:


This is just a test.  The GGA Board List is not yet functional.  
Archives still need to be set up.


However, if you would just respond with a hello or another friendly 
word, we'll be sure we are hearing from all the right people.



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[gecko]Anyone shipped to/from Phoenix?

[Melody Hartley]

 Hi all,

I am planning to ship some animals from Portland to Phoenix via UPS
Next-day Air. Due to Homeland Security, UPS can't tell me what hub they
will go through (%$#...@!!) which is information that I need to 
determine if the

temperatures are within tolerable ranges. So has anyone shipped to
Phoenix from Washington, Oregon, or even California (or vice versa) via 
UPS?

The routing info usually shows up on the tracking information.

Thanks,
Melody
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Re: [gecko]Anyone shipped to/from Phoenix?

[Melody Hartley]

 Thanks so much Ron!!  Shipping date is not determined yet - this was 
part of the info I was collecting to decide when to ship.  It won't be 
soon -- Phoenix is over 100F today!  I was concerned that by the time 
Phoenix was cool enough, the midwest would be too cold ;-)  Southern 
California is much more workable!

Melody

On 10/1/2010 2:52 PM, Ronald Van Heest wrote:

Melody,
   I work for UPS. If your animals dont go directly to Phoenix, I 
believe they will go to southern California.  The west coast next day 
air gets sorted in Los Angeles. I'm pretty sure they wont be going to 
Kentucky. Are you shipping today (Friday) or Monday? We do deliver 
Saturday air (make sure the long orange sticker is visible).

Ron Van Heest



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Sent: Fri, Oct 1, 2010 2:24 pm
Subject: [gecko]Anyone shipped to/from Phoenix?

Hi all,

I am planning to ship some animals from Portland to Phoenix via UPS
Next-day Air. Due to Homeland Security, UPS can't tell me what hub they
will go through (%$#...@!!) which is information that I need to 
determine if the

temperatures are within tolerable ranges. So has anyone shipped to
Phoenix from Washington, Oregon, or even California (or vice versa) 
via UPS?

The routing info usually shows up on the tracking information.

Thanks,
Melody
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Re: [gecko]Li'i isn't cooperating!

[Melody Hartley]

Hi Sherron,

How's Li'i doing?

BTW don't let one cranky person scare you off, the rest of us were 
having a good time talking about geckos and stuff ;-)


Melody

Sherron wrote:


Aloha, Melody

Thanks for the info on Ed's, I will see if they can ship to me. Or will 
see if Sunshine will take me with your references. So much appreciated! ;)


We are trying to get that tail skin off again and are having so many 
problems! We thought she was hard to handle before, but now she is a 
little terror!! She is faster than a speeding bullet -- must be all 
those fruit flies she is eating! We don't know how to actually hold her 
down -- we are afraid we will break her, as she is so tiny and she is 
really fast!  She is only holding still for a fraction of a second -- 
she knows the drill now, and all the tricks to get away.


Dennis tries to wet her skin and get a grip with the tweezers while I 
try to keep her from leaping off his lap. But she is a real moving target!


And now she is doing something else that has us worried -- she keeps 
opening her mouth really wild and gaping. She doesn't make any noise so 
I don't know if she is gasping for air or not, but I don't think we 
could hear her if she was. I know she hates what we are doing, but we 
aren't sure if she is really in distress or not. My husband got worried 
so we put her back in the steam bath to loosen the skin up some more (it 
moved only a tiny bit), but I wondered if you could shed some light on 
the gaping.
I know some animals, like birds, can actually die from emotional 
distress, but I don't think geckos fall into that category. Will it hurt 
her if we continue even though she is showing signs of acute distress? 
Or could there really be something wrong with her that we just haven't 
noticed before?  I know she was eating today as I saw her catch and eat 
at least a couple of fruit flies earlier this morning.


Or is the little stinker smarter than us and has just gotten us figured 
out already and knows what buttons to push? ;)


Cooston where I grew up wasn't much of a town, either. And we lived 
about 10 miles outside of it anyway. The closest big town to us was 
North Bend/Coos Bay. I have very fond memories of Oregon, though. It was 
a great place to grow up, especially for a tomboy like me. I always 
loved all the animals and the woods ... I had pet frogs, salamanders, 
timber beetles, snakes, lizards, chickens, crawdads, chipmunks, anything 
I could get my hands on. I used to drive my poor mom wild. ;)


Oh and the berries! There is no place like Oregon for the berries! 
Salmonberries, huckleberries, thimbleberries, blackberries .. yumm! My 
best friend and I drove from Southern California up through Oregon to 
where we lived about 10 years ago and stopped for blackberries along the 
way every place we spotted them! Great trip! ;)


Thanks,
Sherron

Melody Hartley wrote:


Hi Sharron,

I get fruit flies from Ed's Fly Meat, http://www.edsflymeatinc.com.
They're near Seattle Washington. (There is no Ed, that's for Erin and
Dave -- nice folks!) If they can't ship to Hawaii they might know of
someone near you who keeps dart frogs and would help.  I'd suggest also
getting a bag of their fruit fly medium so you can raise your own.  It's
pretty easy, and I can give you some tips if/when you get to that.  I
think they sell supplements too, so might have the Rep-Cal.  If your
gecko gets UVB from natural direct sunshine (not through a window) you
don't need the kind with D3 in it.

Elizabeth suggested Sunshine Mealworms, and I agree.  They're in
Silverton Oregon.  I think they are not taking new mealworm customers
for a while, but you might tell them that Elizabeth and I recommended
them and maybe that will make a difference ;-)

You mentioned that you thought the old skin on Li'i's tail is getting
tighter. She is probably just growing on your hand-fed gourmet diet!
Geckos store fat in their tails.  An idea on removing the skin:  See if
you can get it to split by using 2 pairs of tweezers and gently pulling
on the edge closest to her body.  This probably would need a second
person holding the gecko.

Aloha is about 10 miles west of Portland, between Beaverton and
Hillsboro.  It's not exactly a town -- everything runs together here now
and it never was much of a town.  But I like the name too ;-D

My geckos would love some of those big fruit flies!  I'm sure you can't
ship them to Oregon though, LOL!

Best of luck!
Melody

Gecko wrote:


Aloha, Melody

Flightless fruit flies!! Wouldn't she like that!!  I will have to 
google for them and see if I can get them into Hawaii!  I have to 
have an import license to have mealworms shipped to me to feed the 
geckos! Right now, we are having problems finding someone to ship 
quickly enough in the summer, even with the license. We need a good 
supplier that ships from somewhere near the west coast as all the 
places I know are mid or east coast. A mealworm import license is $50 
a year for unlimited

Re: [gecko]...Euthanasia for Distressed Geckos...

[Melody Hartley]

Hi Sherron,

I know a snake-keeper that kills rats with (I think) a carbon-dioxide 
chamber, because she doesn't like to kill them maually.  I can find 
out more, or put you in touch with her if you like.


Hope this helps,
Melody

Sherron wrote:


Aloha, Kind Friends

I prefer to let nature take its course usually, too. But sometimes you 
can see they are in obvious pain ... and that hurts me too much, too. I 
can't bear to see them in pain. Especially when it has become apparent 
that it is hopeless.


This poor girl apparently fell from our high ceiling onto a tile floor. 
When we found her, she only moved when we tried to gently move her out 
of the way. We placed her in a container so she would be safe from 
predators (other geckos, cats, mongoose, birds) and foot traffic, in the 
hopes she would recover, and gave her fruit and water. It was obvious it 
hurt her to move, but she seemed okay when still, so we hoped for the best.


By the afternoon of the next day, however, her eyes were badly sunken, 
she had trouble breathing, and her skin was developing black blotchy 
areas. She would stiffen and gasp repeatedly for air, which obviously 
was causing her more pain. By this time, it had been about 18-20 hours 
since her fall and she had started to deteriorate rapidly. If there had 
been any hope ... :(


If we were still on the mainland, I could have taken her to our vet who 
we did trust and who would have treated her properly. But here in the 
islands, we don't have those resources. Our real problem is finding 
someone who would even treat geckos. Heck, finding adequate medical 
treatment for humans is a big problem on the outer islands, let alone 
for exotic animals. I have Myasthenia Gravis (MG) and I can't find a 
neurologist that knows anything about my disease on this island. My 
husband sees a cardiologist who flies over once a month from the island 
of Oahu. It took me 1-1/2 years to find a personal doctor who would 
treat my complicated problems. Medical care for both people and 
animals is sadly lacking.


And it looks like the small number of vets here primarily just treat 
cats  dogs. Those I have called don't include reptiles at all.  But I 
really am not surprised, as we had trouble finding a vet who really knew 
how to take care of exotics like our pet rats in southern California, 
too. Finding good vets who know more than cats  dogs has always been a 
problem -- it's just that here in Kona there are far fewer to start with.


I am also no longer convinced that a shot from just any vet is 
automatically better. I took one of my rats to another vet when our own 
vet was out of town and she screamed in pain from his injection -- she 
suffered a lot from it and it took her a long time to die as she 
suffered. Not all vets have empathy nor even seem to believe that 
animals really can suffer pain. So unless you know the vet, you are just 
taking your chances. Sometimes you have no choice, But that experience 
has made me leery of automatically trusting every vet.


Worse, after doing some checking online, I find that it is illegal in 
Hawaii to catch  keep any day geckos in Hawaii (except with a permit 
for scientific research) in order to discourage any trade in them 
whatsoever. It is okay to keep the native species, but not any animal 
banned for import/export that are deemed dangerous to the native 
populations (native insects, in this case). So even if there were good 
gecko vets, they would be risking their license if they to treat a day 
gecko since they cannot be legally kept.


So right now we are pretty much on our own. We either have to stand by 
and watch them die, no matter how long it takes, or we need something 
else we can come up with to make their going easier.  Maybe my husband 
can smash them, as someone else suggested. I don't know that I could 
unless they were already partially crushed already ... or like this poor 
little baby we found on our lanai, being eaten alive by ants, we think 
partially eaten by a day gecko who bit off more than it could chew and 
coughed her back up.



We're sure she was in terrible pain -- I can't believe that freezing her 
was worse than the pain she was suffering.


I didn't know what to do for them, but my husband felt freezing would be 
quicker and kinder than letting them slowly die in pain. If we were 
wrong, I regret it immensely. I do know it is not at all kind for 
mammals; I just do not know for reptiles. Thankfully, we have 
encountered such dreadful conditions only twice. But knowing day geckos, 
it is possible this horrible situation will come up again -- and I am 
desperate for a better choice. Can you help? :(


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Re: [gecko]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having trouble shedding ...

[Melody Hartley]

Aloha Sharron,

You are so patient and dedicated!!  This little one is so lucky to have 
you, since I'm sure she would have been someone's lunch otherwise.  If 
she goes on eating fruit flies, you know you can raise flightess fruit 
flies, and that might be easier.  I do that because I keep a few dart 
frogs, but I use them for hatchling geckos too.  You'd have to get a 
starter culture from someone, or get one shipped to you if allowed, and 
keep them strictly separate from the flying ones because flightless is 
a recessive gene.  I can give you more info if you're interested.


Do you have the little bugs in the soil called springtails? Or any other 
tiny bugs you could catch, maybe aphids?  I'd hate for you go blind 
clipping fruit fly wings, LOL!


As to the last bits of shedding, she might lose the extra skin on the 
next shed.  I've only gotten the tail skin off by peeling front to back, 
like turning a cone inside out.


The town in Oregon that I live in is named Aloha although pronounced 
differently -- emphasis on the lo part and a soft h -- ah-LO-ah.


It's also nice to see some activity on this list ;-)

Melody

Gecko wrote:


Aloha, Melody

Thanks for these ideas. I never thought of a paintbrush, but that would 
be softer and probably hold the moisture better. ;)


Her toes kept sticking to the washcloth, so we did lay a paper towel on 
top of it and she liked that better.


Now that she is back in her regular house, she is on banana leaf with 
red ti, honeysuckle, and helekonia. We used to have her on paper towels, 
but she really seems to like the banana leaf and we have tons of them. 
And the red ti is her favorite for hanging out on. And all the day 
geckos like the helekonia -- that and the bananas are their favorite 
hangouts ... along with our lanai and house. ;)


Mahalo,
Sherron



Melody Hartley wrote:

Slightly different method -- I use a paper towel rather than a 
washcloth in the humid box, and float the whole box in a sink full of 
warm water for the heat.  A small soft paintbrush can also be helpful 
for wetting the old skin and working it loose.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


And Aloha Sherron ~
 
Thanks for these details.  Please try the humidity chamber near a 
lamp for a few hours.  Use a wet washcloth that has been wrung out 
and place it in the vented, plastic container.  Watch the water 
droplets form.  After only a few hours I imagine her skin might be 
loose enough to start a split.


Another idea!  Have something like a twig, small branch, or a section 
of choya wood --- something rough that she could snuggle up against 
to assist in the shed.


I hope the skin shed helps her right leg work more efficiently!
 
Keep us posted!
 
Wish I lived near the beach in a place warm enough where geckos 
roamed freely ;-]
 
Elizabeth


Aloha, Elizabeth

She is about 3/4 from nose to vent -- she is the smallest day gecko
hatchling we have ever seen, although some of our mourning gecko
hatchlings are even tinier.

This sounds like it might work!  If it would just soften enough to
pull off her or get a split started, I think we could get the neck
skin off.  We have been misting her little cage and putting a
heating pad next to it, but that only helps a little and wasn't
keeping the humidity up high enough.
She has never seemed to be able to fully control her right leg, and
her right foot is smaller than her left and the toes kind of clumped
together. She often tends to move the joint and leg together as a
unit, so there may be something wrong with the joint, too. Although
in watching her with the skin problem, some of that may just be the
skin being so tight it restricts her movement.

Usually when we find the hatchlings, most of that first skin has
already been shed, but she was fully covered with it and it has only
recently started splitting. We do think it hinders her use of her
limbs -- her arms are only about the size of thin pencil lead, and
the skin seems to fully coat those.

She has been doing okay up until the last couple of days, though,
when the skin (I hope that it isn't something else, too) started
really becoming a problem. She now gets around by lurching her body
back and forth because her little arms  legs are still encased in
the skin, although it has come off some of the back.  And she is
green underneath, not gray!

We haven't ever actually kept any of the geckos before, as they run
all around our house, lanai and garden (Phelsuma laticauda, house -
Hemidactylus frenatus,  Mourning - Lepidodactylus lugubris). But we
had to make an exception in her case, since she couldn't fend for
herself. Usually we just take the hatchlings outside so they have a
better chance of survival -- we have lots of big geckos running
around inside and they don't last long if we don't get to them 
first. :(


Mahalo, Sherron






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Re: [gecko]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having trouble shedding egg skin

[Melody Hartley]

Hi Sherron,

Try catching some fruit flies and putting them in the refrigerator for a 
few minutes.  That slows them down, and the gecko might be able to catch 
them.  Also, the humid chamber that Elizabeth wrote about has always 
worked for me with geckos that have trouble shedding.


Best of luck!
Melody

Gecko wrote:

We did try a little water on a Q-tip and worked on the ring around her 
neck. It softened a little, but didn't split. My husband was able to 
barely get hold of it with tweezers to give it a little pull, but it 
wouldn't split -- and we couldn't get anything in to try to cut it.


We are so afraid of doing more damage to her. Her leg was damaged during 
hatching -- or she might have fallen, as we found her in the bathroom 
window in the bottom of the sill, while her egg and that of her dead 
sibling were caught midway up on the top of the open window. Apparently 
her hatching efforts or another gecko caused the eggs to dislodge and 
they fell. The dead sibling was not fully formed yet.


Although I have not observed her eating, we know she must be. I gather 
her little tiny bugs off the fallen leaves from our orchid tree every 
day, plus aphids off some of the greenery she likes (we don't spray 
poisons), plus the papaya with the fruit flies. And she pooped on me 
yesterday after she crawled up onto me. ;)


But there must be an art to catching the fruit flies  injuring them!  
I've done that with larger bugs before, but all I have done with these 
is crush them. They are so tiny, they just squish when I try to catch them.


Thanks, Sherron

Lyle Puente wrote:


You have a tough job!
Can you mist her and maybe injure some of the fruit flies to make them 
easier catches?
You might need to mist her well and try a fine tweezer to get that 
skin off?


Lyle

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On Jun 1, 2008, at 7:15 PM, Sherron wrote:

We found a tiny hatchling on May 13 that was a little underdeveloped 
and was still in that grayish skin they have when they first come out 
of the shell. She was dehydrated and has a problem with her right leg, 
but is spunky.


We haven't been able to release her outside like we do the rest of the 
hatchings we find, as her bad leg has kept her from being very mobile, 
but she has been doing pretty well eating tiny bugs  aphids I collect 
for her. She has also shown a real interest in the fruit flies around 
her papaya, but I don't think she has managed to catch any yet.


But she started having trouble yesterday and was real cold  clammy, 
so we put a heating pad near her cage to help warm her up. It seems to 
have started her molting her egg skin, but she has a bunch of it 
around her neck that she can't get off.


Is there anything we can do to help her? She is so tiny we don't see 
how we could try to cut it off! The rest of the skin except for around 
her neck should slough off okay, but the stuff around her neck is 
several layers and is a ring, so it may be another matter. :(


Any help would be greatly appreciated as she is really a spunky little 
girl.


Mahalo, Sherron

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Re: [gecko]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having trouble shedding ...

[Melody Hartley]

Slightly different method -- I use a paper towel rather than a washcloth 
in the humid box, and float the whole box in a sink full of warm water 
for the heat.  A small soft paintbrush can also be helpful for wetting 
the old skin and working it loose.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


And Aloha Sherron ~
 
Thanks for these details.  Please try the humidity chamber near a lamp 
for a few hours.  Use a wet washcloth that has been wrung out and place 
it in the vented, plastic container.  Watch the water droplets form.  
After only a few hours I imagine her skin might be loose enough to start 
a split.


Another idea!  Have something like a twig, small branch, or a section of 
choya wood --- something rough that she could snuggle up against to 
assist in the shed.


I hope the skin shed helps her right leg work more efficiently!
 
Keep us posted!
 
Wish I lived near the beach in a place warm enough where geckos roamed 
freely ;-]
 
Elizabeth


Aloha, Elizabeth

She is about 3/4 from nose to vent -- she is the smallest day gecko
hatchling we have ever seen, although some of our mourning gecko
hatchlings are even tinier.

This sounds like it might work!  If it would just soften enough to
pull off her or get a split started, I think we could get the neck
skin off.  We have been misting her little cage and putting a
heating pad next to it, but that only helps a little and wasn't
keeping the humidity up high enough. 


She has never seemed to be able to fully control her right leg, and
her right foot is smaller than her left and the toes kind of clumped
together. She often tends to move the joint and leg together as a
unit, so there may be something wrong with the joint, too. Although
in watching her with the skin problem, some of that may just be the
skin being so tight it restricts her movement.

Usually when we find the hatchlings, most of that first skin has
already been shed, but she was fully covered with it and it has only
recently started splitting. We do think it hinders her use of her
limbs -- her arms are only about the size of thin pencil lead, and
the skin seems to fully coat those.

She has been doing okay up until the last couple of days, though,
when the skin (I hope that it isn't something else, too) started
really becoming a problem. She now gets around by lurching her body
back and forth because her little arms  legs are still encased in
the skin, although it has come off some of the back.  And she is
green underneath, not gray!

We haven't ever actually kept any of the geckos before, as they run
all around our house, lanai and garden (Phelsuma laticauda, house -
Hemidactylus frenatus,  Mourning - Lepidodactylus lugubris). But we
had to make an exception in her case, since she couldn't fend for
herself. Usually we just take the hatchlings outside so they have a
better chance of survival -- we have lots of big geckos running
around inside and they don't last long if we don't get to them first. :(

Mahalo, Sherron






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Hello Sherron ~

Try the humidity chamber trick.  I can't view your photos at home
because my laptop is really memory-challenged, so I don't know how
big this gecko is!  However, my mourning geckos are 1 3/8 at
hatching.  Try placing your gecko in a vented plastic container
with a damp washcloth inside.  Place this near a light.  Almost
immediately you will notice beads of water accumulate on the
sides/top of the container.  After a few hours or so perhaps you
can remove the rings of old skin around her neck gently with a
tweezers or small scissors.

What is the problem with her right leg?  Might you have a new pet
here?

Elizabeth  




Subj:[gecko]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having
trouble shedding egg skin
Date:6/1/08 4:16:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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We found a tiny hatchling on May 13 that was a little
underdeveloped and was still in that grayish skin they have when
they first come out of the shell. She was dehydrated and has a
problem with her right leg, but is spunky.

We haven't been able to release her outside like we do the rest of
the hatchings we find, as her bad leg has kept her from being very
mobile, but she has been doing pretty well eating tiny bugs 
aphids I collect for her. She has also shown a real interest in
the fruit flies around her papaya, but I don't think she has
managed to catch any yet.

But she started having trouble yesterday and was real cold 
clammy, so we put a heating pad near her cage to help warm her up.
It seems to have started her molting her egg skin, but she has a
bunch of 

Re: [gecko]Changing established breeders....

[Melody Hartley]

Sounds like an excellent plan!

Hitchiner, Jim wrote:


Thanks Julie and Chad,
Fortunately, I have the room to remove the pairs from their larger
holding cages and place them each into cages that are roughly the size
of 30 gal tanks. In the meantime, I'll replace all props from the
breeding cages, scrub down the cages themselves, and wait about 30 days
before I place the new pairs in them. I'll watch closely for any signs
of aggression and we'll see how it goes. Again, thanks for the advice.
Best...
Jim

Jim
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Subject: Re: [gecko]Changing established breeders

You can always try repairings - just observe them closely to make sure 
there is no sustained aggression.


Julie B.

Chad Osborne wrote:


I think that would work. They may not produce this year. It's more of 
a wait and see kind of thing. I've had them and replaced one after 
they had been together 20 years (because one died) with no problem.


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Chad,

Each of the pairs has been together for at least 2 years. I have had 
egg production from both. I have paired up other so-called monogamous 
animals before, with other mates, but I usually let the original 
animals stay by themselves for a few weeks before I do a 
reintroduction. Do you think a lengthy separation of at least a month 
should be OK or??


Jim






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How long have they been together?

chad

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Hi All,

I've 2 pairs of P. standingi. I would like to switch their respective 
mates around as I have found out that one pair could be 1st cousins, 
while the other pair is completely unrelated. All 4 of the animals 
have grandparents and great-grandparents that were w/c. Since I 
understand that this taxon can be monogamous, do any of you foresee a 
problem if I perform a switch to break up the possible cousin pair? 
All are relatively young animals, the cousins pair were hatched in 
different months in early 2003, and the other pair were hatched in 
different months in late 2004.


Best

Jim



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Re: [gecko]Grand Re-opening of Gecko Ranch July 22nd!

[Melody Hartley]

Congratulations Julie!  I'm looking forward to the photos!

Melody

Julie Bergman wrote:

Thank you Elizabeth, definitely I will be posting photos! :)

Best,

Julie

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Hi Julie ~

Thanks for this wonderful news!  This sounds like a win-win situation 
for geckos, geckophiles, and you.  Will you be posting photos for us 
unable to visit right now?


Best wishes,
Elizabeth


Subj:[gecko]Grand Re-opening of Gecko Ranch July 22nd!
Date:6/28/07 12:53:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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 Grand Re-opening of Gecko Ranch July 22nd!

Finally Gecko Ranch's new country digs are ready for showing off! Since
moving here almost three years ago I, with the help of good friend Cyndi
Diekmann and caretaker Jessica Bohon, have been putting the finishing
touches on our 1000 sq. ft. facility located 12 miles from my old
location in Davis, CA.

The whole concept of Gecko Ranch was inspired by Philippe de Vosjoli's
phenomenon of herpetoculture; in brief, a mix of herps, science and
art. All are welcome and I sincerely hope to see many of you!

Date: July 22nd, Sunday
Time: 1:00pm to 5:00pm
Activities: tours, book signings, sales of geckos, t-shirts and Repashy
Superfoods!

RSVP with me (Julie) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and I
will send you a map.

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Re: [gecko]DHL restrictions?

[Melody Hartley]

Thanks Jodi, Marcus, and Julie for the info!  I too have been using UPS 
for a few years and they have performed well, but I just like to look at 
my options now and then.  I found it difficult to find info on DHL's 
website, so wasn't impressed there either.


Melody

Julie Bergman wrote:

A hearty agreement. UPS is light years ahead. I dealt with DHL when they 
were Airborne and they were very problematic, not just with the geckos 
but every aspect of business like billing, customer service, etc. In my 
forced occasional dealings with them lately I find they are much the 
same, bottom of the barrel!


Julie B.

J Aherns wrote:


UPS all the way.DHL sucks.I did 3 shippment with DHL
and all geckos were del. DEAD.



Thank you,
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Re: [gecko]testing 1, 2, 3

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4, 5, 6

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Re: [gecko]Cheapest source for hovobators

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Thanks!  That where I got the one I have, but it's been a few years and 
I couldn't remember the name!


Julie Bergman wrote:


In Reptiles Mag Randall Burkey Co. was pretty cheap if I remember.

Julie B.

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Hi all,

Anybody know what the cheapest source for hovobators is these days?

Thanks,
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Re: [gecko]Shipping with DHL

[Melody Hartley]

Hi Ulli and Julie,

Thanks for the info!  I usually ship with UPS, but a customer has a DHL 
account that he wants me to use.  It's OK with me if it's good for the 
geckos ;-)


Melody

Ulrike und Jan Anders wrote:

Hi Melody,

I can only speak for Germany, and there they are only reliable when you 
choose an express mail for at least about 20,- EUR. It is not allowed 
to send living animals by post, which is DHL here, by the way. If I 
could not avoid sending animals, I would look for a company specialized 
in that, in Germany for example carecourier (see topic Versand von 
Tieren on http://www.ig-phelsuma.de/board/viewtopic.php?t=840).


Good luck,
Ulli



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Hi all,

Does anyone ship with DHL?  Are they reliable?

Thanks,
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[gecko]Shipping with DHL

[Melody Hartley]

Hi all,

Does anyone ship with DHL?  Are they reliable?

Thanks,
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Re: [gecko]Baby P. andamanensis!

[Melody Hartley]

Congratulations Julie (and the geckos of course)!  What do these look 
like as adults?


Melody

Julie Bergman wrote:

After working with my babies from Magnus Forsberg for a few years, I 
assembled a breeding trio and cut them loose in a Doug Barr Phelsuma 
rack this year. They have thrived and are glueing little eggs in their 
PVC pipes to thank me for all the crickets! ;)  The first baby hatched 
yesterday, a cute, VERY tiny lime green fella! As far as I know no-one 
else is working with these in the USA!


http://gekkota.com/html/p__andamenensis.html

Pix when I am able to safely do so! (fast little baby!)

Julie B.

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Re: [gecko]Chit Chat 17 - First GGA publication for the membership year

[Melody Hartley]

Hi Lyle and all,

How many members do we have now?

I'm glad to see some life in the list too!

Melody

Lyle Puente wrote:


Hi Nathan
I have some of the very early issues, but most have been printed in 
extremely limited numbers.
At one point we thought of selling packets of each year complete, but we 
just didnt have enough issues. Even Gekko 1.2 was printed in such low 
numbers that it is no longer available. If we had higher member numbers 
we would be able to print larger quantities and perhaps even reissue 
those out of print. What issues were you looking specifically for?



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Is it possible to order back issues of Chit Chat?

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Re: [gecko]Shipping to hawaii

[Melody Hartley]

Thanks again Julie!!  You are such a font of helpful info!!

Julie Bergman wrote:


Hi Melody,

That is an easy one, no! The government there stopped this several years 
back due to extensive problems with invasive species and the illegal pet 
trade. I did find out you can get a one time permit to ship 4 P. 
laticauda back to the mainland! A buddy just did this.


Julie B.

Melody Hartley wrote:


Hi all,

Is it legal to ship day geckos to Hawaii?

Thanks,
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[gecko]Shipping to hawaii

[Melody Hartley]

Hi all,

Is it legal to ship day geckos to Hawaii?

Thanks,
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[gecko]Website with range maps?

[Melody Hartley]

Hi all,
I know this has been discussed and I though I bookmarked it, but...
What is that website that has range maps for reptiles around the world? 
 I'm giving a talk this afternoon to a 4-H group and thought that would 
be nice to show them.

Thanks,
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[gecko]Entamoeba in crested gex

[Melody Hartley]

Hi all,
I came across this website with info and good pictures: 
http://www.neoscales.com/Entamoeba.htm  Some pictures are gecko innards, 
others are microscopic.  Both very useful, especially if you use a 
microscope, and not often seen on the web.

Melody
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Re: [gecko]Experiences and Longevity with Aeluroscalabotes Felinus

[Melody Hartley]

No experience at all, but I'm glad to see some life on the list!!
Melody
Julie Bergman wrote:
Hi Marcus,
Longevity and Cat Geckos seems to be an oxymoron! Great gecko, very, 
very, very difficult to keep alive. Since I killed mine in about 6 mos I 
am not going to give you any tips. Anyone else with better experiences? ;)

Julie B.
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I am curious to hear other members experiences with this fascinating 
gecko.Every bit of information is important,please 
share.Husbandry,acclimation,breeding and the like are some of the 
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Re: [gecko] Orange Pill Bugs

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Hi all,
I do feed pillbugs to small turtles, they like them a lot!  The geckos 
have not seemed too interested.  These have been discussed as food on 
turtle  lists, and toxicity has never been mentioned, so I don't believe 
they are toxic.  They are high in calcium!  I have them in most of my 
terrariums,  but pretty much don't see them, like others have mentioned. 
 Locally we have the flatter softer kind and the harder ones that can 
roll into a ball, both gray.  I'd be interested in the orange ones!

Melody
Lyle Puente wrote:
On Jan 21, 2005, at 8:06 AM, JCLoucek wrote:
Yep Lyle,
I'm still here.  Mostly lurking, though.

It's good to know some of our long time members are here lurking.

Very interesting about the sow bugs.  Never would
have thought of trying to raise them.  Easy to
reproduce are they?


Yes, I'm not sure about this batch, but if similar to others I have kept 
they should be easy.
I set one up in a peat based terrarium with plants and cork. Those I see 
now an dthen. I added some to a few with Geckos and other lizards to see 
how they do or if they are eaten. So farI just dont see them.


  I am used to seeing them under
rocks and in damp basements.  Do they dessicate easily
in captivity?  Can they climb glass?

no cllmbing glass and so far Im not sure how delicate they are.

joe

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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:11:06 +0100
Howdy.
Isopods vary extremely in their quality as food.
The common sowbugs were never eaten by any of my animals except toads
and helmeted geckos (Tarentola chazaliae). I am even eager to get rid
of any sowbug coming with collected moss because they're notorius
eaters of softshelled lizard-eggs.
On the other hand here in germany a small white tropical sowbug (very
softshelled) is a well-used and often cultivated food for any small
animal, be it frog, cham, or gecko.
A class of rollable Millipeds is often mistaken for the sowbugs that
can roll up. easiest-to-see difference is the count of legs on a
segment: while the isopod got one pair of legs/segment, the millipeds
got two pair/segment (DIPLOPODS). And the Millipeds are the toxic
ones.
Greetings from Hamburg
Sven Vogler
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Subject: Re: [gecko] Orange Pill Bugs
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:03:41 -0500
Hi Mike,
I haven't heard about any toxicity. Some species do exude and
sticky noxious fluid when molsted. I don't know which and if this
is toxic. I learned about their usefulness with chameleons years
ago and have used them with unknown negative effects. Doesn't mean
they don't have potential though.
Any entomologists on the list care to comment ?

On Jan 20, 2005, at 2:44 PM, Mike Martin wrote:
lyle - you say that people use pill bugs in their terraria to
help break
down organic matter and consume mites.  for some reason, i think
i
remember reading somewhere that pill bugs are toxic, otherwise i
probably
would have attempted using them as a feeder or at least a
recycler in some
of my terraria.  do you know anything about this as far as native
north
american pill bugs are concerned?  i'd like to try them in at
least one of
my setups if you guys really think they're safe.
mike

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Re: [gecko]lighting

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I actually like the ones that start out a little less bright and then 
get brighter.  Seems easier on the eyes!

Last Christmas Home Depot had packages of these in red and green. 
Anybody tried those for night heat lights for nocturnal gex?  I'm 
thinking about it if I see those bulbs again.

Melody
JCLoucek wrote:
My experience with compact fluorescents is mixed.  Some are better
than others about instantaneously being on.  Some will flicker when
the switch is first flipped.  In an area where you want/need instant
light for safety, etc., this could be an issue.
I find it a minor inconvenience.
The major inconvenience is the difficulty in trying to get them to
fit into some ceiling fixtures with globes and under certain lamp
shades.  You may have to try a couple different sizes.
I have yet to have on burn out under normal use (nightstand, etc.).
I am slowly working on converting all the fixtures in the house to
them - they make excellent gifts.
Joe
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I have been using some of these for hallway and bedroom lights. They
do 
last a long time. I would keep my receipts though, as most of these
have 
a guarantee.

Julie B.
Cyndy wrote:

I am in the process of arranging my creatures for winter. I have
many kinds, not just geckos. Has any one tried, or know any data on,
the flourescent lights that screw into regular sockets? Are they as
good as they claim?
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Re: [gecko]Seattle Reptile Show: 9/18-19/04

[Melody Hartley]

Hi TQ,
Looks like Elizabeth is offline, so I'll answer -- no, this is an 
educational show only.

However, the show in Hillsboro is the following weekend, and that a 
sales show!  I'll probably be at either the GGA or NWHKA table most of 
the weekend, so stop by and say hi if you're there!

Melody
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  Reptiles Around the World
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   I will be there with a GGA table and a couple of critters in the
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Re: [gecko]lumpy calcium sack on p.laticauda

[Melody Hartley]

That gecko has cleavage! ;-D
Leann Christenson wrote:
Chrissy:
Phelsuma kept under artificial fluorescent UV lights have a great tendency
to develop large calcium sacs, and they can be diseased, lumpy and/or
malformed.  They tend to be unsightly, but as Julie mentioned, they usually
are not a problem.
I do not keep my Phelsuma under UV lighting, instead I provide additional
vitamin D3.  Because of this, only females develop calcium sacs, small ones,
and only during the breeding season.  The sacs recede during the winter
rest.  I have had only a few cases of females retaining large calcium sacs
year around.
For a hilarious photo by Magnus featuring some rather large calcium sacs,
follow this link:
http://gallery.phelsumaweb.com/displayimage.php?album=45pos=1
[sorry about double posts - my old web/e-mail company keeps sending out mail
as well as my new company]
Leann
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Oh, thanks, Julie, that is a relief. I was worried about him.
I dust with a 50 - 50 mix of Rep Cal calcium w vit D and multivitamins.
Sometimes I just feed a naked cricket or two also, or some fruit flies
or
baby food without anything mixed in.
My lighting is... gosh, I'm not at home so I can't double check but I
believe it is a UVB bulb, Zoo Med ReptiSun I think, 20 watts. It's
probably
time for me to change it out, actually, I need to place an order.
Does that sound about right? Do I need to do anything differently? This
little guy is an escape artist and has wandered all over my house at one
time or another. Last time I found him in the bathroom window and honestly
thought about leaving him there, he looked so happy. (not really, but the
thought crossed my mind) I hate that he is so skittish, but I suspect it's
due to me having to hunt him down and catch him from time to time.
Thank you so much for the reassurance.
Chrissy

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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 16:50:51 -0700
Hi Chrissy,
This is not to worry. Happens all the time in captivity due to the
vitamin
supplementation and lighting we give them. Try as we may, we are not
mother
nature! ;) What is your lighting and supplementation BTW? Be specific.
Phelsuma are very supplement sensitive. I have a lot of Phelsuma with
these
uneven sacs, does not seem to effect them negatively as long as the sacs
are not too large.
Julie Bergman
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Chrissy Pearson wrote:

Hello from a lurker with a question,
One of my p.laticaudas has developed a strangely lumpy calcium sack.
There
is no way to describe it other than to say it is lumpy, very different

from the other gecko, which has softly swollen sacks on either side of
his
neck. This one has sacks that are larger and have lumps visible within
(2
or 3 lumps).
He still eats and poops regularly, is colorful and active, though he is
much more shy than the other gecko (they are in different tanks) and
will
hide at any sight of me. The other one will take crickets from my
fingers;
this one runs the other way.
Here are his habitat specs: 15 gallon tank, planted with plenty of
hiding
spots. Misted daily, ceramic heat source, UV light. Fed primarily
crickets
once or twice a week dusted in calcium and vitamin powder.
Like I said, other than the calcium sack and being very skittish, he
seems
fine. I would post a picture but he hides so well and so immediately I
can't get a good one.
Anyone have any ideas what this could be?
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Re: [gecko]Ultimate gecko viv done!

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Wow!  The gecko looks amazed too! ;-)
Jared Morris wrote:
The giant viv I was talking about back in may is finally finished, and 
the gecko moved in.  The plants have some recovery/growing in to do, and 
there are always adjustments to be made on a project this large, but all 
in all, it turned out very nicely if I do say so myself.
 
It is 7' tall, 2' deep, and 4' wide.  the cage itself is 4' tall, 2' 
deep, 4 feet wide.  It is made of birch plywood, sealed with Aquatic 
Ecosystem's Sweetwater epoxy on the inside (green) and Man'O War Spar 
marine varnish on the outside.  The back wall is covered with corkbark 
panels from herpsupplies.com and a waterfall of my own design on the far 
right. The water fall flows into a 5 gallon pool sectioned off from the 
rest of the floor by two pieces of slate held into place and sealed 
with Black Handi-Foam from Aquatic Ecosystem's.  The water then drains 
through a standpipe (aquarium hobbyists will know what I mean) into a 10 
gallon sump and returned the 7' up by a Rio HF 10 pump.  Humidity is 
kept up with a Sunbeam Ultrasonic Humidifier plumed up to a 1/2 PVC 
manifold circling the ceiling of the viv, allowing for even distribution 
of the fog.  You'll notice a screen vent below the front window, and at 
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circulation without dramatic loss of humidity.  It is lit by a 4 x 55 
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the top of the lighting canopy, one blowing in, the other blowing out, 
to keep heat buildup to a minimum (these gex like it pretty cool).  The 
Plants include Dracenia, Schaefflera, Lady Palm, Pothos, and 
Philodendron, with plans to intoduce more exotic additions in the 
future.  I will be adding some liverworts and tropical moss to the land, 
and some Java Moss and possibly other emergent plants to the 
pool/waterfall area.  The substrate is the Tropical Planting Mix from 
TC terrariums (based on the ABG mix), and sits on a screen covered 
eggcrate drainage platform, 1/2 over the viv bottom.  The bottom is 
plumbed with two 1 bulkhead drains to a 5 gallon bucket underneath.  
Oh, and the wood is Manzinita I collected in Grass Valley,Ca.
 
By the way, it currently only holds one male Uroplatus henkeli, but will 
soon hold a trio when I add two captive bred females.
 
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Re: [gecko]Daytona report?

[Melody Hartley]

I only get more glad I could not go -- a hurricane is not my idea of a 
good time!

Leann Christenson wrote:
Best information that I got so far was what a mess, and that the expo hall
had some of the only electricity on the street.  The show did go on.
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Hi All,
Did anyone go to the Daytona show that can report back to the rest of us
on how it was, how much affect the hurricane had, etc?  I couldn't make
it this year.
I did have a good gecko experience recently!  There had been a gold-dust
gecko living in my sunroom since last summer, but I hadn't seen him
since Spring, and was presuming he'd died somehow.  Well, he showed up,
and he looked fat and sassy!  He must have been living outside -- I've
realized that getting in and out of the sunroom is not much of a
challenge for a small gecko.  I hope he has sense enough to come in when
the weather gets cold.
Blessings,
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Re: [gecko]Lyle

[Melody Hartley]

Hi Boo,
Pet shop geckos are very likely wild caught, and very very likely have 
parasites.  Please get a fecal check done soon.  A normal day gecko will 
run away if you try to pet it, so I am concerned yours might not be 
feeling well.  Most of mine will lick fruit baby food off of a spoon I'm 
holding, and even run over to get it once they figure it out, which is a 
nice interaction that does not stress the gecko.

I still remember my first day gecko (years ago now), from a pet shop, 
and what I didn't know to do.  He did not live nearly as long as he 
should have!

Hope this helps,
Melody
Julie Bergman wrote:
Welcome to the wacky world of Day Geckos!
I am sure Lyle will respond- however, just wanted to jump in and pass 
along some info from someone who has been breeding geckos and 
specializing in Day Geckos for some years. First, I would not pet any 
Day Gecko as they, in 99% of the cases, do not like it, in fact they are 
extremely frightened. Your assessment of the gecko liking this may 
really be the gecko exhibiting fear by not doing anything (freezing). 
As humans we naturally misinterpret many of their behaviors and 
reactions to different situations. The less experience we have with them 
the more we tend to do this so it is best to err on the side of caution, 
for everyone's sakes! :)

The best way to treat  Day Geckos is to treat them like tropical fish, 
set the them up in a nice environment and then watch them enjoy that 
environment. My favorite thing about them, besides their beautiful 
colors and delicate feet, is to watch them hunt crickets or moths.

As a rule young Day Geckos cannot be placed with adults and species 
mixing is not advisable. I don't know any professional breeders who mix 
Day gecko species.

As far as internet advice or links go: the GGA has some nice care sheets 
posted here.

http://www.gekkota.com/html/care_sheets.html
There is no substitute for proper books specifically written about the 
subject at hand, in this case the best book is Day Geckos in Captivity 
by Greg and Leann Christenson.  Get this book and you will have the 
subject covered. Care sheets are a nice supplement if properly written.

Julie Bergman
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Boo wrote:
is it just me or was lyles gecko hamming it up for the camera. i 
thought i
saw a sparkle in its eye.

anyhow, my day girl gwendolyn is doing fine. and the petstore that had 
her
for two years, just got three more in, one was already dead during 
shipping
and the other two are still juvies. one is a bright green and the other a
darker green like my gwen.

curiosity is does anyone have good info from the inet regarding day 
gecko's.
sure i can look at sites but i'd rather have gecko nutz  give me the 
headsup
on info they find the best and why.

i have been around reptiles all my life but gwen is my first venture
completely on my own for the responsibility of. She's doing fantastic 
and i
keep petting her even though i suppose you aren't supposed to. wonderful
personality.

i am thinking of bringing the baby gecko in, particularly the bright 
green
one. but want to do much research before bringing a baby in and 
putting it
with an adult particulalry when i don't know the sex of the baby geckos.

so send me web links of gecko care that you trust best.
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Re: [gecko]Selling a house with geckos in it!

[Melody Hartley]

Good news Julie!!  What's the new place like?
Julie Bergman wrote:
Well guys, the saga is finally over! Sold the house yesterday.:) I guess 
three weeks on the market is not terrible and I should not complain too 
much! The price was good, although we have to wonder what we could have 
gotten without the geckos. I will never forget the reaction of some of 
the older women that were house shopping. Two of them were out of the 
house in about two minutes! One younger gal sent her agent and husband 
on a reconnaissance mission before entering herself!  One lady visited 
three times and did not make an offer because of the geckos. I was 
amazed that folks did not have the vision to see the one room without 
geckos in it, and without any lingering odors.  To me the odor is not 
much, but then  I work at home and am used to it.

We had a second offer 60k below the asking price with the man claiming 
he did not know if he could get rid of the odor.  Replacing the entire 
interior of the house would not come anywhere near 60k. We decided this 
man was an opportunist and enthusiastically rejected his offer!

I guess what I have learned from this is that in spite of the rising 
popularity of our gex in recent decades, there are still a good number 
of folks out there who are really phobic of them. It just so happened 
that the folks in the market for a house in my price range, which is 
considered expensive in this area relative to other towns, were largely 
comprised of that segment.

So - guidelines for selling a house with any size collection of geckos:
*If you can possibly move the geckos elsewhere, do it!
*HIDE THE BUGS! Unless you really don't want to sell - just make sure 
the roaches are prominently displayed! LOL!
*Keep the cages extra clean to cut down on smell and use a nice smelling 
spray.
*Get used to vaccuming up crickets all the time!
*Feed geckos at night so you can do the above in the morning.

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Re: [gecko]Re: Bug-eyed crested geckos.

[Melody Hartley]

Hi all,
I have a male ciliatus that I bought as a juvenile about 5 years ago.  I 
am wondering if he is what you are describing as bug-eyed.  His actual 
eyeball sticks out unusually far, skin around the eye is normal.  I 
don't believe he can see much.  He does not catch crickets on his own, 
but will someimes eat them if I hold one and tickle his nose with it. 
His head has retained the shorter-nosed juvenile shape, and he is 
overall smaller than normal, probably about 2/3 the length of others the 
same age.  I don't know if this is genetic or developmental.  I have 
always housed him singly.

I'd be interseted to know if this matches what others are describing.
Melody
sara joseph wrote:
Hi
I don't usually respond to this list, but since one of the cresteds 
mentioned is from my stock I definitely should participate in this one. 
I only had this crested's father for about 2 months after he came out of 
quarantine, so I wouldn't be able to find out if this is genetic. The 
crested Hilde mentioned is in my care temporarily because the owner is 
anxious about it's condition and feeding habits. It was hand fed a mix 
of babyfood/gargoyle diet and strangely has shown no interest in any 
live food. I'm attempting to get it feeding on it's own again in the 
hope that it may restore it's interest in searching for food, hopefully 
live feeders.
It's not just the bug-eyes that are abnormal, although that aspect is 
extremely obvious. This gecko also has a strange weight distribution, 
with it's trunk being very heavy while it's skull, limbs and tail are 
slender and similar in appearance to the 2 month olds it has been 
compared to. I will send out some pics when I get home tonight.
I have been searching high and low for any leads, but i'm not coming up 
with much. I have researched the hypothyroidism angle, but without 
testing it's T3/T4 levels there is no way we can get a definitive 
diagnosis. If anyone knows of an institution that would be equipped to 
test thyroid activity in my general area let me know. (I'm in Toronto, 
but the U.S. side is ok)

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Re: [gecko]Re: Bug-eyed crested geckos.

[Melody Hartley]

Hi Hilde and all,
My other adults, 1.1 (unrelated) that I bought, 2.0 that I have raised, 
are all big like yours, at least 8 STL.  The bug-eyed one about 5 STL, 
so way bigger than 2 months.  You have to look carefully to see that his 
eyes aren't normal.  His lack of vision is actually more noticeable, 
since it gives him a vague expression rather than the usual 
alert/watchful one.

From what I have heard, not that many ciliatus were originally 
imported, so our genetic pool is small on these.  So this could be 
inbreeding.  Since I bought my big-eyed one (this was not obvious when I 
did) I do not know background info like how related the parents were. 
That would be useful data from anyone who has it!

Melody
Hilde wrote:
Melody Hartley wrote:
I have a male ciliatus that I bought as a juvenile about 5 years ago.  I 
am wondering if he is what you are describing as bug-eyed.  His actual 
eyeball sticks out unusually far, skin around the eye is normal. 

Your gecko sounds about the same as the two I was asking about. The one that Sara is caring for
right now has somewhat larger eyes, but not extremely large. The other one though has big bug
eyes, easily the first thing you notice about him/her. They look like frog eyes - they stick out
way past the skull height and width. It's as if his eyes grew to approximately normal size but
his body stayed put at about 2 months size. 

Inbreeding could explain it, though I have no clue about either of their parents, but there
would/could be enough generations in captivity for it to show up. 

My original 1.2 breeding group was hatched in 1996, I got them in early '97. I rarely see adults
as big as they are. The first thing people ask me when they see them is what I kind of steroids
I've been feeding them. The male lost his tail years ago, but he's still about 5 inches SVL, and
the females with tail are over 8 inches.  So, could the shorter/smaller adult size we now see be
an indication of inbreeding, and bug-eyes be another sign?  That would mean the bug-eyes could
be passed on to offspring? 

Thanks for the help, it's certainly an eye-opener, I hadn't even considered 
inbreeding this
'soon' in their captive history.
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Re: [gecko]Getting ants out of crickets

[Melody Hartley]

Hi TQ,
Thanks for the suggestion!  I tried that, but the ants did not go for 
it.  They seemed very agitated, so maybe just didn't care about food at 
the time or didn't discover it.  But they did leave on their own, though 
it took a while.  Interesting -- I had a bunch of eggcrate pieces in 
there as usual, and the ants and crickets did not mix.  If ants were in 
 one hump, there would be no crickets, and vice versa.

Thanks,
Melody
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  I have had the same problem.  What I did was get a glass jar with screw on lid- took 
a nail and poked holed in the top from the outside of lid in- put some sugar and a 
little water in the jar, screwed the lid back on, and placed in cricket cage- the ants 
were able to get to the sugar, but the crickets were not.  after all ants were in the 
jar, I fed them off to a horned lizard.
TQ

Hi all,
I got my cricket order today, and the box sat on the front porch for a 
couple hours.  When I picked it up, it was covered in ants, the little 
black kind.  A lot more were inside the box.  I kept it outside and 
emptied it into a plastic tub, and since the ants can climb the plastic 
a lot have left.  But there are still a bunch in the eggcrate.  They 
don't seem to be attacking the crickets or anything, but I don't want to 
bring the ants into the house.  Anybody got any good ideas on how to get 
them out?

Thanks,
Melody
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[gecko]Getting ants out of crickets

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Hi all,
I got my cricket order today, and the box sat on the front porch for a 
couple hours.  When I picked it up, it was covered in ants, the little 
black kind.  A lot more were inside the box.  I kept it outside and 
emptied it into a plastic tub, and since the ants can climb the plastic 
a lot have left.  But there are still a bunch in the eggcrate.  They 
don't seem to be attacking the crickets or anything, but I don't want to 
bring the ants into the house.  Anybody got any good ideas on how to get 
them out?

Thanks,
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[gecko]Daytona

[Melody Hartley]

Hi all,
What are the GGA plans for the Daytona show in August?
Thanks,
Melody
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Re: [gecko]? on male R. cliliatus temperament

[Melody Hartley]

Hi Catriona and all,

I have one breeding pair, and the female does have a slight bulge. 
Nothing compared to a male, but if she was immmature I might have my 
doubts.  I have not looked at a lot of ciliatus, but IMHO the females do 
have a bulge.

Home this helps,
Melody
Catriona Lindsay wrote:


If the animal you got from me at last year's Frog Day still only has a 
very small bulge, it is definitely female! Congrats!!! Of course, if 
it is really a male and being dominated by your other male, I suppose 
it could have it's development arrested. Two males would likely get 
along OK if there was no female present. It's most likely a female, 
though. See... I'm just as confused as you!!!


Hm! This is a decent size bulge, but not like my other male. 
When the other male was 6-8 months old he developed his bulge overnight 
and it was obvious. This little girl (?) has a definate bulge but it not 
as big as the males. I have thought about the other male dominating this 
one so that it does not mature properly. Well I will see if the pair is 
still available and compare the females. If I am still not sure she 
might come and visit at Frog Day so you and Julie can take a peek and 
tell me what you think. ;
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Re: [gecko]question about crested gecko behavior

[Melody Hartley]

They do OK with PVC tubes, which you might need to use for a while if 
there are mold spores in your tank.

HTH,
Melody
Rick Gale wrote:

I don't know about them not coming out for several days. I agree with 
the other gentleman that mine often move around a lot at night and go 
back to the same spot come morning.  What concerns me more is the mold 
and the bugs... I think if it were me, I would get rid of the moldy, 
bug-infested bamboo.  May be harmless, but it could engender other 
problems, i.e., parasites and bacterial infections.  I always like to 
keep things as easy to disinfect as possible since these animals are not 
in their natural environment where they are equipped to deal with any 
parasites present.

Rick

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Hi All -
I have 2 juvenile R. ciliatus (somewhere between 4-6 months old) and I 
have noticed over the past 2-3 weeks that on occasion one or both of 
them will go hide in their bamboo branches and not come out for 2-3 days 
straight.  I am wondering if this is odd behavior at all.  Otherwise, 
they seem to be fine - they are usually out the other 4 days or so out 
of a week and are eating regularly.  Does anyone else's crested do 
this?  I am slightly concerned over the fact that there is mold growing 
on the inside of the bamboo, which I do wipe down periodically (but 
can't seem to get rid of it) and this morning I found very, very tiny 
white bugs crawling on the end of the bamboo that they were sleeping in 
and have been hiding in for the past 2-3 days.  I wiped the little bugs 
off, but I'm not sure what they were and if they were just going after 
the mold or if they were going to go after my juvies.

I would appreciate any feed back on this.
- Thanks,
Dana

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Re: [gecko]Ruptured calcium sac.

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Hi Leann,

Thanks for the info.  I can't really see a wound, just a big white 
patch.  It's possible the skin is torn off but the calcium sac not 
ruptured.  Do you know if it's a liquid or solid in those?

See seems to be doing OK, now that she's single again.

Melody

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Melody:

A laceration to the calcium sac will heal.  Take the same precautions as you
would with any deep cut:  keep it clean, remove her from the male (as you
said you are going to do), and if it is a seriously large wound consider
taking it to a veterinarian for care as he/she would have methods to suture
the wound.
Leann

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Hi all,

I have a pair of Phelsuma sundbergi longinsulae.  I put them together
yesterday, and judging by the bite marks on her neck they have mated
several times.  But the last time seems to have ruptured one of her
calcium sacs.  Will this likely heal on its own like the neck bites do,
or is it more serious?  I think I will separate them to prevent further
injury.
Thanks,
Melody
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[gecko]Ruptured calcium sac.

[Melody Hartley]

Hi all,

I have a pair of Phelsuma sundbergi longinsulae.  I put them together 
yesterday, and judging by the bite marks on her neck they have mated 
several times.  But the last time seems to have ruptured one of her 
calcium sacs.  Will this likely heal on its own like the neck bites do, 
or is it more serious?  I think I will separate them to prevent further 
injury.

Thanks,
Melody
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Re: [gecko]Re: (gecko) UPS Shipping Practices

[Melody Hartley]

Hi Chris,

Thanks so much!  I could not imagine that the packages did not get 
sorted somewhere! I thought the use of centralized hubs was a large part 
of what makes UPS efficient!  I probably spent half an hour on the phone 
with UPS, and they did tell me lots of stuff, just irrelevant and not 
answering my question.

Your info also corresponds with what Julie said.  However, she did say 
that Rockford IL is the hub for N and NE areas -- is this no longer true?

Thanks,
Melody
CHRIS SCHWEITZER wrote:

Hi Melody,

I work for UPS, here's the rundown on how the system works:

Your Next Day Air will go straight to PDX airport, where it will be loaded
into a container with all the other eastbound Next Day Airs and fly directly
to Louisville, KY (westbound packages go to Ontario, CA).  It gets unloaded,
sorted, then reloaded into a new container for the airport nearest the final
destination. At that airport, the entire container is put on a truck and
moved to the destination hub, where it is unloaded, sorted, and sent out for
delivery.  So a typical NDA is sorted a total of two or three times before
being loaded on the delivery truck.  Packages containing live animals are
not handled separately from the rest, your best bet is to put it in a flat
box as opposed to a cube-shaped box so it doesn't get turned over as much.
Heat will have to come from heat packs, and unless the box you use is
airtight, ventilation shouldn't be an issue.
I'm sorry you couldn't get a better answer to your question from UPS.
Unfortunately, the people you call on the phone via the 1-800 number are not
necessarily familiar with all the ins and outs of package routing (I'm not
positive they are even UPS employees at all).  You would be hard pressed to
find someone to talk to who could tell you the exact route a package would
take to a specific destination...I'm a delivery driver, and I know neither
my supervisor nor manager could without calling someone in Louisville first.
You might try calling your Account Executive and seeing if they can find the
info for you, but don't expect instant response, LOL.
Hope this info is helpful, I check this list every day so if you have any
other questions just ask!
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Re: [gecko]Re: (gecko) UPS Shipping Practices

[Melody Hartley]

Hi Chris and Julie,

I guess I need to find out who my rep is!  I did talk with a supervisor, 
even got his name, but he was not too useful!  I hadn't thought of 
saving the tracking info -- good tip Julie!

Thanks,
Melody
Julie Bergman wrote:



CHRIS SCHWEITZER wrote:

Hi Melody,

I work for UPS, here's the rundown on how the system works:

Your Next Day Air will go straight to PDX airport, where it will be 
loaded
into a container with all the other eastbound Next Day Airs and fly 
directly
to Louisville, KY (westbound packages go to Ontario, CA).
Hi Chris, I have had my shipments to Illinois and surrounding states go 
directly to Rockford, IL from Ontario, California. This is important to 
know as this hub gets VERY cold in the winter. Anything going to the 
northeast may go there or through Louisville. I had a rep tell me once 
it depends on the loads the planes are carrying. The southern states 
always have my geckos going through Louisville. Another important thing 
to know about these two hubs is that the geckos will sit there usually 
about 2 hours between 1am and 3am, a very cold time of the night. 
Louisville is usually not a problem temp-wise. I know all this because I 
save my tracking from each order and print it out if it is a new place I 
am shipping to, or the route to that area was not typical.

It gets unloaded,
sorted, then reloaded into a new container for the airport nearest the 
final
destination. At that airport, the entire container is put on a truck and
moved to the destination hub, where it is unloaded, sorted, and sent 
out for
delivery.  So a typical NDA is sorted a total of two or three times 
before
being loaded on the delivery truck.  Packages containing live animals are
not handled separately from the rest, your best bet is to put it in a 
flat
box as opposed to a cube-shaped box so it doesn't get turned over as 
much.

LOL! I pack them for that.

Heat will have to come from heat packs, and unless the box you use is
airtight, ventilation shouldn't be an issue.
I'm sorry you couldn't get a better answer to your question from UPS.
Unfortunately, the people you call on the phone via the 1-800 number 
are not
necessarily familiar with all the ins and outs of package routing (I'm 
not
positive they are even UPS employees at all).
Indeed! I have had luck asking questions through my UPS rep. - when she 
was not available I had decent luck with the phone folks if I asked them 
to ask their supervisor.

You would be hard pressed to
find someone to talk to who could tell you the exact route a package 
would
take to a specific destination...I'm a delivery driver, and I know 
neither
my supervisor nor manager could without calling someone in Louisville 
first.
You might try calling your Account Executive and seeing if they can 
find the
info for you, but don't expect instant response, LOL.
 

My rep was pretty good, I have had a new one for a couple months and 
have not heard from her.

Hope this info is helpful, I check this list every day so if you have any
other questions just ask!
 

Is there anything I could put on the box that would keep the drivers 
from treating my boxes like footballs? So far I have not had much luck 
with pre-printed red up arrows and Perishable on all four sides, LIVE 
circled in red, and THIS SIDE UP on the top of the box My boxes are 
15x7x11 and are white in background color. Thanks for any tips!

Julie Bergman
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Chris

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[gecko]UPS Shipping practices

[Melody Hartley]

Hi all,

I am trying to determine if it is warm enough to ship geckos.  I have an 
account with UPS and recently emailed them to ask what hub a gecko 
package (next day delivery) would go through from Portland to the US 
east coast. When I did not get an answer after a week I emailed Julie, 
who was much more prompt and informative!  Thanks Julie!

However, I also called UPS to see if I could confirm what she said about 
the hubs, and get on their case about not answering my email.  After 
taking to a bonehead or two I finally spoke with a supervisor.  Even he 
was not too forthcoming or didn't understand my question (I don't see 
why the question is hard to understand!).  But he finally told me that 
overnight shipments all go in containers.  They would not stop at a hub 
except maybe briefly if they needed to add more packages to the container.

Though this sounds good, I am sceptical, partly because it was so hard 
to get any answer out of UPS. It also doesn't seem logistically very 
likely, though maybe I underestimate their volume and they really can 
fill most of a container here to any given destination.  Also, don't 
they put live animals somewhere different than the rest of the packages, 
maybe with air and heat?

So, does anyone have more info on this?  Is Jon Boone on the list??

Thanks,
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Re: [gecko]parasite question

[Melody Hartley]

Hi Garrett,

Though almost all my geckos are CB, I have done a lot of rehab with WC 
turtles.  I worked out a plan with my vet (nice guy!).  I do my own 
fecal smears, and can recognize some of the easier parasites like 
pinworms and strongyles.  I treat what I find with meds from my vet. 
Then I take a final sample or two to the vet to check for anything I 
didn't find.  This works out well for me, since my vet charges $20 to do 
a fecal test.  It is interesting too.  My vet has shown me some things 
and given me some copies out of his books, and I use Klingenberg's 
Understanding Reptile Parasites.  So it can be done, as long as you 
recognize your own limitations and have a cooperative vet.

Hope this helps,
Melody
Julie Bergman wrote:
Hi Garrett,

Garrett Peterson wrote:

So I have realized that if I want to be a herper I am going to learn 
how to check parasites myself


Not a requirement. It takes a good deal of study, a microscope and know 
how to do this. Certainly you can undertake this, however, it will take 
some time to develop these skills. I have been doing this herper thing 
over 20 years and I have yet to get myself set up with a low powered 
scope and slides. I really don't have the room or time to undertake that 
anyway. There is a good reason we pay the non-domestic vets and the labs 
they work with to anaylze these samples. Some vets are lucky enough to 
have someone like Catriona who is a vet-tech and is good at analyzing 
the slides right there at the clinic.

but one thing I am wondering about is once I know what parasites need 
to be treated, how do I get the meds? Do I go to the vet for them? Or 
can I get them from somewhere else?


You need a non-domestic vet here. They are on top of the research and 
can set your gecko up with the appropriate meds. Many of our folks on 
this list have experience with the different meds and how they work and 
that is very useful. Once your vet has selected the medication, dosage 
needs to be figured out and you  need to be shown how to give the meds 
to your gecko.

When you decide to keep herps, you should find a good non-domestic vet 
ahead of any problem situation that may occur. Hopefully there is one in 
your area who has worked with geckos. I am probably the most spoiled 
person on this list as far as working with good non-domestic vets. I 
have been working with UC Davis Vet School for many years and they have 
done a number of things to make that process easier for me since I have 
a good-sized collection of geckos. Occasionally I have worked with 
Catriona's Madison Avenue Clinic in Sacramento as well, they have some 
good reptile vets there.

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Re: [gecko]dream Uro cage and light...

[Melody Hartley]

Hi Jared,

The tank sounds great!  However, I have some large acrylic tanks, and
have found that acrylic warps over time, especially with heat.  Consider
this with your acrylic ceiling, maybe just construct the tank so the
ceiling can be fairly easily replaced if it warps too much.

Hope this helps,
Melody

 Jared Morris wrote:
 
 So, blessed with a little extra income, I've got the go-ahead to
 finally build the Uroplatus henkeli cage of my dreams.  It's being
 built out of oak plywood, and is a 7' hide x 2' deep x 4' wide unit,
 with the actual cage measuring about 4' high x 2' deep, x 4' wide.  An
 incorporated cabinet underneath gives me room for a waterfall sump,
 drainage bucket, and an ultrasonic humidifier, while the fan
 ventilated canopy, sealed off from the cage by UV transmitting
 acrylic, gives me plenty of room for whatever lighting I need without
 worrying about heat.  The plans are attached so you can get a better
 idea of what I'm talking about.
 
 Now for the questions.
 
 Has anyone used Dracenea (corn plants/dragon trees) in their
 vivariums?  I plan to use Dracenea marginata as a key plant because it
 has such sturdy trunks for the gex to hop around on.
 
 Also, what are everyone's experiences with bright lighting and
 Uroplatus?  I know some people say bright light will stress them, but
 with enough plant cover, It seem like they would be fine.  I'd like to
 use just two 55 watt compact fluorescents to achieve good plant growth
 (all low light plants: pothos, Dracenea, Schefflera (umbrella tree),
 lady palm, and some liverworts), but may need to add a couple more 40
 watt standard fluorescents or another two 55 watt cf to achieve
 the desired growth.  So, do you think this will be too much light in
 such a large uroplatus viv?
 
 Thanks all,
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Re: [gecko]debugging local moss for vivaria

[Melody Hartley]

Hi al,

I just submerge it in a tub outside for about 24 hours.  I know that
won't get everything, but I mainly wanted to get rid of spiders -- I
have enough already!

Melody

David Lawrence wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
   Do you want the moss to remain living???  If not bringing the moss to
 a slow boil in a pot of water and letting it simmer will do the trick nicely.
 
 David Lawrence
 
 At 08:49 AM 1/20/2004, you wrote:
 
   Does anyone have a method of debugging fresh-collected sphagnum
   moss? It's very hard to buy good quality sphagnum here, but it is
   very common locally.
 
 Dunno, except to rinse it well, but do be careful: a bite my red eft
 received finally just healed, after a month. I brought home some wild moss
 that was pretty damp, and there was one of those red velvet mites in it.
 
 Must have really hurt - she was thrashing around, trying to get it off - and
 I had a heck of a time getting it off her :(
 
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[gecko]OT Iguana care sheet

[Melody Hartley]

Hi all,

Sorry this is off topic, but my niece (college student) and her husband
recently adopted an unwanted juvenile iguana, and I figured some of you
keep iguanas, or at east know about them.  Where is the best care sheet
on the web?  I'd like to get them some good reliable info on how to take
care of their new baby.

Thanks,
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Re: [gecko]time to stop the spam...

[Melody Hartley]

I haven't been getting any spam on the list!  Lots on my personal mail
unfotunately, but that's not the GGA's problem ;-)

Melody

Barbie Heid wrote:
 
 
 
 Something must be done to stop this ridiculous wave of spam.  It is
 disgusting, annoying, and intrusive.  I can confidently say that it will
 harm membership, as I am about ready to leave.
 
 Did I miss something?
 
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[gecko]T-Rex Crested Gecko Food

[Melody Hartley]

Hi all,

Anyone know how good the T-Rex crested gecko food is?  Is this similar
to the food that's been discussed on this list for day geckos?

Thanks,
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Re: [gecko]local gecko people Portland Or.

[Melody Hartley]

Hi TQ,

I am, but you already know that ;-)

Melody

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 Hello,
   I just moved to Portland as I mentioned before.  I just wondered who else is from 
 Portland, or surrounding areas tht keep geckos and other herps.  I remember a couple.
 Thank you for your time,
 TQ
  With the crested gecko diet, I've found that I have to use just slightly
  less than a 2:1 ratio of water to food.  If I do 2 parts water to 1 part
  food by volume (say, 1 level teaspoon of water to 1/2 level teaspoon of
  food), the mixture is slightly too runny.  If, however, I use, say, a
  slightly rounded 1/2 teaspoon of food with the same amount of water, it
  comes out better.  I also typically don't notice any sort of gelling
  taking place, unless you mean the dehydrated food absorbing the water and
  the mixture becoming a tiny bit thicker... I use slightly warm water to
  speed this process up, and I mix continuously with a toothpick or some other
  small implement until the mixture does not show any more obviously dry bits
  of food.  At this point, using the ratio I described above, I tend to get a
  pretty consistent result.
 
  But is there something I'm not doing or should be doing differently?  It
  appears that all my gex take the food, though it's a bit difficult to tell
  because the amount I give them (due to using slightly deep dishes) is so
  much greater than the quantity they can consume.  If you think it's
  important that I stick to a more strick 2:1 ratio, let me know. This is just
  my own experience.  Glad the subject was raised though.
 
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Re: [gecko]T-Rex Crested Gecko Food

[Melody Hartley]

Hi Doug,

Yes, it would be convenient to just use one food, but I hadn't thought
of that!  Thanks for the info though!  Does anyone know just what the
difference is between the various foods?  I now feed my day geckos and
crested the same (bugs, mostly crickets, and baby-food fruit) 

Melody

Doug Johnston wrote:
 
 Melody...
 
 I attached a question to a forum, moderated by Allen, back on October
 19th, asking if I could use only one of the foods for my Phelsuma, R.
 ciliatus and R. auriculatus. There has never been an answer. If fact, it
 looks like Allen hasn't posted anything there since September. I would
 have appreciated an answer...
 
 To get to the forum, there is a link from
 http://www.sandfiredragonranch.com/reptiles/index.html (Looking for more
 info on Sandfire diets? Click Here).
 
 Melody Hartley wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Anyone know how good the T-Rex crested gecko food is?  Is this similar
 to the food that's been discussed on this list for day geckos?
 
 Thanks,
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Re: [gecko]Gecko skeleton photo?

[Melody Hartley]

Hi Tony and Obeligz,

Any chance of adding these to the available info on the GGA site?

Melody

Tony Gamble wrote:
 
 Hello Julie,
 There is a picture of a cleared and stained leopard gecko on the MN
 Herp Society webpage (down at the bottom):
 http://www.bellmuseum.org/herpetology/Education.html
 Have the person contact me offlist for permission to use it (I can
 also supply a high resolution version). I also have several other
 gecko species cleared and stained if that would help.
 
 Tuesday, October 7, 2003, 9:58:58 AM, you wrote:
 JB Hi Gexers,
 
 JB Does anyone have access to one of these? I have a request from a young
 JB lady doing a Biology class project.
 
 JB Thanks,
 
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Re: [gecko]Shipping

[Melody Hartley]

Hi all,

Good news -- I just called USPS at the Portland Oregon airport, and they
do take lizards as long as the animal is not over 20 long.  You need to
call first so USPS can make sure they have a plane going that can take
them that day.  And of course you need to take the package to the post
office.  But workable!!  

I have shipped with them a few times (next day delivery) and had good
results.  The only thing they did was misroute a package once, and it
got there a day late, but then they refunded the shipping charge.  The
gex were fine, fortunately.  But I did decide to use longer-term heat
packs.

Melody



Leann Christenson wrote:
 
 I just talked with Airborne yesterday.  They definitely don't want anyone
 (even people with a turtle account) to ship lizards.  Apparently they are
 doing a crackdown as a large snake recently escaped in one of the mail hubs.
 
 FedEx is also a no.
 
 UPS is not being easy about me starting a new account in our new
 homestate -- three weeks and counting to get them to write up a contact
 allowing me to ship geckos.  I am on pins and needs waiting for them.
 
 Our options are slimming.
 
 Leann
 
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  Thanks Julie and Nathan for the info.  Do you know if I can set up an
  account on their website, or do I need to call them?  I have an Airborne
  account because they will take turtles, and UPS didn't used to -- I
  don't know about now.
 
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[gecko]Shipping

[Melody Hartley]

Hi all,

I haven't shipped for a while, and thought I'd check on the current
state of affairs.  USPS does not take reptiles at all any more?  Is
Airborne or UPS cheaper?

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Re: [gecko]Daytona '03!

[Melody Hartley]

Hi E,

Yes, I saw it on the list.  It's 169K so AOL might be blocking it.  I
forwarded it to you.

If you decide to go to Mindspring, tell them I referred you.  I get
something, I don't remember just what...

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Re: [gecko]Daytona '03!

[Melody Hartley]

Oops, sorry list...

Melody Hartley wrote:
 
 Hi E,
 
 Yes, I saw it on the list.  It's 169K so AOL might be blocking it.  I
 forwarded it to you.
 
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 something, I don't remember just what...
 
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[gecko]More fun in the sunroom

[Melody Hartley]

Hi all,

I'm having fun watching two gold-dust day gex in my sunroom, through
binoculars.  I'm not sure if they're fighting or attempting to mate and
one is not willing.  There's a lot of tail writhing, some chasing, a
little biting.  They do an interesting stance where one will turn
vertical, and raise up on one side so its back is to the other.  Also
arching the back, tail lifting, tail sniffing.  And the funniest one,
sticking the tongue way out.  It's quite fascinating!  I get the feeling
of insults with most of this.  But it's a 12 x 24 room, with lots of
plants and hiding places, big enough for more than one little gecko I'd
think!  They will separate 4-6', but then pursue each other again,

I'd appreciate comments from those who have seen day geckos in the
wild.  I've never put two males together of course, so I've never seen
this stuff.  These are escapees from the nursery closet, but they're
about a year old.

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Re: [gecko]P. klemmeri

[Melody Hartley]

Hi Justin,

I did amost exactly what you are thinking of but with a 9-gallon hex and
a 1.3 group of klemmeri.  Results were not good.  First mistake is that
I put them in there when I got them.  It would have been better to set
them up individualy in small tanks for a while, to see hew they
acclimated to *my* keeping practices, since everyone is different.  In
the big tank, I could not keep track of them well and monitor their
individual health.  Klemmeri look a lot alike, so I could not tell if
some were dominating and others not coming out of the bamboo.  I could
not find the eggs, since klemmeri are known for laying eggs in odd
spots.  I did not have it escape-proof, at least not well enough.  This
was correctable, but the other problems are inherent in the big tank.  I
wound up losing two of the females.  Lesson earned, my remaining pair is
now in a 10-gallon tall, and doing well.  The 9-gallon hex is deluxe
quarters for a very happy pair of P. mad-mads.  Since those get to about
8, and consistently lay in bamboo, they are well-suited to the big
tank.

Hope this helps,
Melody

Justin Yeager wrote:
 
 Since I just got my first in today (an adult male), I have a few
 questions.  I know this isn't a for sale/wanted place, but since I am
 rather excited with the male if anyone has a female, contact me
 privately.  Other than wanting to expand them, I would like to do a
 rather large 100 gallon or more tank for a small group.  With that in
 mind, it will be well planted and all of that, but what are the odds
 of being able to establish a colony including multiple males in that
 size.  I would think that the tank would have enough room to establish
 territories, and I know it's better not to, but honestly what are your
 thoughts?  Also with regards to temporary housing of geckos (pet
 pals), how vital is it to have heat lamps etc available.  The
 intuitive problem with these small cages is overheating (and thus over
 drying).  Another question I have been asking around is how some
 geckos will do with the majority of the diet fruit flies (this applies
 only to the smaller day geckos) and babyfood mixes?  On one last note,
 if anyone has any need for custom gecko/frog acrylic tanks, email me
 privately.  I have some extras from a friend for trade/sale cheaply.
 Best,
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Re: [gecko]P. klemmeri

[Melody Hartley]

Oops, that was a 90-gallon hex!!

Melody Hartley wrote:
 
 Hi Justin,
 
 I did amost exactly what you are thinking of but with a 9-gallon hex and
 a 1.3 group of klemmeri.  Results were not good.  First mistake is that
 I put them in there when I got them.  It would have been better to set
 them up individualy in small tanks for a while, to see hew they
 acclimated to *my* keeping practices, since everyone is different.  In
 the big tank, I could not keep track of them well and monitor their
 individual health.  Klemmeri look a lot alike, so I could not tell if
 some were dominating and others not coming out of the bamboo.  I could
 not find the eggs, since klemmeri are known for laying eggs in odd
 spots.  I did not have it escape-proof, at least not well enough.  This
 was correctable, but the other problems are inherent in the big tank.  I
 wound up losing two of the females.  Lesson earned, my remaining pair is
 now in a 10-gallon tall, and doing well.  The 9-gallon hex is deluxe
 quarters for a very happy pair of P. mad-mads.  Since those get to about
 8, and consistently lay in bamboo, they are well-suited to the big
 tank.
 
 Hope this helps,
 Melody
 
 Justin Yeager wrote:
 
  Since I just got my first in today (an adult male), I have a few
  questions.  I know this isn't a for sale/wanted place, but since I am
  rather excited with the male if anyone has a female, contact me
  privately.  Other than wanting to expand them, I would like to do a
  rather large 100 gallon or more tank for a small group.  With that in
  mind, it will be well planted and all of that, but what are the odds
  of being able to establish a colony including multiple males in that
  size.  I would think that the tank would have enough room to establish
  territories, and I know it's better not to, but honestly what are your
  thoughts?  Also with regards to temporary housing of geckos (pet
  pals), how vital is it to have heat lamps etc available.  The
  intuitive problem with these small cages is overheating (and thus over
  drying).  Another question I have been asking around is how some
  geckos will do with the majority of the diet fruit flies (this applies
  only to the smaller day geckos) and babyfood mixes?  On one last note,
  if anyone has any need for custom gecko/frog acrylic tanks, email me
  privately.  I have some extras from a friend for trade/sale cheaply.
  Best,
  Justin Yeager
 
 
 
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[gecko]Back home

[Melody Hartley]

Hi all,

I came home from Daytona to find two year-old gold dust gex chasing each
other around my office.  My pet sitters were not onto all their tricks,
and they escaped from their containers in the nursery closet (also in my
office).  I could tell by the chase that it was two males, so I opened
the door into the sunroom kindof a take it outside thing.  One went
out -- apparently the office is the other one's territory!   

There has been another escapee living in the sunroom for quite some
time, and I didn't know if it was male or female.  The next day I saw
the 6' ficus tree vigorously shaking, I think this is kindof like the
van rocking ;-D  I went out, and though I did not observe mating, the
interaction seemed male-female.  So it seems like I now have a pair out
there.  Other than the spots on the walls and windows, this should be
interesting.

Daytona was good, though there were not enough day geckos of course ;-) 
But Elizabeth Freer and I made a quick trip to Key Largo before the
show, and had fun with anoles in the day and house gex at night! 
Nothing unusual, but still fun to see them outside!

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[gecko]Nathan Manwaring

[Melody Hartley]

Hi all,

Does anyone have a current email address for Nathan?  I have an old one,
but it bounced.

Thanks,
Melody
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