Re: Does an incubation proposal require a codebase?

2009-08-12 Thread J Aaron Farr
On Tue 11 Aug 2009 04:06, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: There are two reasons why it is more heavyweight: because we haven't spent huge amounts of time/money automating our infrastructure and putting it behind a pretty web UI, but more importantly because we pay more attention to the

Re: Does an incubation proposal require a codebase?

2009-08-10 Thread Upayavira
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 08:04 -0700, Ralph Goers wrote: On Aug 7, 2009, at 2:17 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Bertrand Delacretazbdelacre...@apache.org wrote: I would oppose to a podling with no code base and no @apache.org names in the list of initial

Re: Does an incubation proposal require a codebase?

2009-08-10 Thread Ralph Goers
On Aug 10, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Upayavira wrote: The creation of a podling is heavyweight. Very heavy compared to registering a project with Sourceforge, GitHub or GoogleCode. Because of the effort involved in the creation of a podling, it is natural that the Incubator PMC wants some

Re: Does an incubation proposal require a codebase?

2009-08-08 Thread J Aaron Farr
On Fri 07 Aug 2009 23:52, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: I was imagining a bunch of unknown people coming up with a vague idea for a project, and no code...to that would seem too risky to warrant dedicating resources to a podling. Now, if mentors were enthusiastic about

Re: Does an incubation proposal require a codebase?

2009-08-07 Thread Martijn Dashorst
A code base is not required, but highly recommended. It is hard to bootstrap a community from scratch. Having something readily available makes a project more tangible, and can attract more contributors with more ease. Conversely, a too mature codebase can be a hindrance to a project as well,

Re: Does an incubation proposal require a codebase?

2009-08-07 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 07:55, Noah Slaternsla...@apache.org wrote: Hey, I am thinking about making an incubation proposal for a project I've been wanting to do for a while now. I have list of initial committers and a technical architecture proposal, but no actual code yet.  Moreover, in

Re: Does an incubation proposal require a codebase?

2009-08-07 Thread Noah Slater
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:09:49AM +0200, Bernd Fondermann wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 07:55, Noah Slaternsla...@apache.org wrote: Moreover, in order to provide a seed to grow and ground discussions on technical levels, the ASF incubation rules require the podlings to join the incubation

Re: Does an incubation proposal require a codebase?

2009-08-07 Thread Noah Slater
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:05:46AM +0200, Martijn Dashorst wrote: A code base is not required, but highly recommended. It is hard to bootstrap a community from scratch. Having something readily available makes a project more tangible, and can attract more contributors with more ease. I'm not

Re: Does an incubation proposal require a codebase?

2009-08-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Noah Slaternsla...@apache.org wrote: ...I am thinking about making an incubation proposal for a project I've been wanting to do for a while now. I have list of initial committers and a technical architecture proposal, but no actual code yet I would oppose

Re: Does an incubation proposal require a codebase?

2009-08-07 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:24, Noah Slaternsla...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:09:49AM +0200, Bernd Fondermann wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 07:55, Noah Slaternsla...@apache.org wrote: Moreover, in order to provide a seed to grow and ground discussions on technical levels, the

Re: Does an incubation proposal require a codebase?

2009-08-07 Thread Noah Slater
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 11:01:01AM +0200, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Noah Slaternsla...@apache.org wrote: ...I am thinking about making an incubation proposal for a project I've been wanting to do for a while now. I have list of initial committers and a

Re: Does an incubation proposal require a codebase?

2009-08-07 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Bertrand Delacretazbdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Noah Slaternsla...@apache.org wrote: ...I am thinking about making an incubation proposal for a project I've been wanting to do for a while now. I have list of initial committers

Re: Does an incubation proposal require a codebase?

2009-08-07 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Bertrand Delacretazbdelacre...@apache.org wrote: I would oppose to a podling with no code base and no @apache.org names in the list of initial committers - the chances of morphing that into a working Apache project would seem to slim to me. I agree, and with

Re: Does an incubation proposal require a codebase?

2009-08-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Noah Slaternsla...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 11:01:01AM +0200, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Noah Slaternsla...@apache.org wrote: ...I am thinking about making an incubation proposal for a project I've been

Re: Does an incubation proposal require a codebase?

2009-08-07 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Bertrand Delacretazbdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Noah Slaternsla...@apache.org wrote: ...I am thinking about making an incubation proposal for a project I've been wanting to do for a while now. I have list of initial committers

Re: Does an incubation proposal require a codebase?

2009-08-07 Thread Ralph Goers
On Aug 7, 2009, at 2:17 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Bertrand Delacretazbdelacre...@apache.org wrote: I would oppose to a podling with no code base and no @apache.org names in the list of initial committers - the chances of morphing that into a working Apache

Re: Does an incubation proposal require a codebase?

2009-08-07 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Noah Slater wrote: I checked the incubation rules, but couldn't find any mention of this rule. Our hopes were that we could start from scratch as a podling, and grow the code along with the community. Is this going to be possible? It's not mentioned because there is no such rule. Draw up

Re: Does an incubation proposal require a codebase?

2009-08-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Niall Pembertonniall.pember...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Bertrand Delacretazbdelacre...@apache.org wrote: ...I would oppose to a podling with no code base and no @apache.org names in the list of initial committers - the chances of

Re: Does an incubation proposal require a codebase?

2009-08-07 Thread Ralph Goers
On Aug 7, 2009, at 8:52 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Niall Pembertonniall.pember...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Bertrand Delacretazbdelacre...@apache.org wrote: ...I would oppose to a podling with no code base and no @apache.org names

Re: Does an incubation proposal require a codebase?

2009-08-07 Thread Noah Slater
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:26:45AM -0700, Ralph Goers wrote: I agree. If unknown people can generate enough interest from mentors to get them to volunteer why stop them. OTOH, I would suggest that mentors should be extra cautious in accepting and particularly watchful as the project starts.