he ASF and
then release a 0.5 release in about a month.
Unfortunately I don't think I can make the source available until I have
our lawyers take a look at #2 so if I can't get an answer to #1 until
that point I understand.
Thanks!
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ing DOM-style
support as long as the SAX-style API could be maintained.
I really think it's a LOT more flexible than a DOM approach.
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appropriate home.
ok... will take a look
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to be
rewritten IMO. This is where Arrowhead comes in
The code should speak for itself. I haven't had time to work on it lately as I
am trying to get another 2 projects released. The goals are to move it back
under Apache as long as we can keep the dual LGPL/APL License.
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> > The goals are to move it back
> > under Apache as long as we can keep the dual LGPL/APL Licens
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> > I think it is worth while to make the argument that as long as it is *either*
> > GPL or A
nt license link with tomcat (by invoking APL
> terms). This situation is not logically equivalent to 2 but who is going to
> prove otherwise? Are you confused? I know I am. Ceki
I don't understand this situation could you please explain?
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o
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> Hi folks.
>
> "Kevin A. Burton" wrote:
>
> > ... the truth is somewhere in between. I think Dual Licensing solves the
> > issue. You get your BSD and I get my G
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>
> "Kevin A. Burton" wrote:
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> > If you subscribe to the BSD philosophy that in order to have a strong software
> > development model you need to be
is
> wouldn't occur although I hope that the next version of APL and next
> version of GPL could be interoperable.
I already asked Stallman about this issue. He says no. :(.. I can forward
his e-mail ... if I can find it.
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ice to have had a discussion of
these issues before hand.
I think that it is possible but it is nice to be able to dissolve all the FUD
before it is officially thrown :)
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tp://galeon.sourceforge.net) is embracing this and it is becoming the
psuedo-standard GNOME browser.
GTK 2.0 has a Browser component based on Mozilla. I think it is called gtkhtml
or something.
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o have PGP)
- - individuals might be more hesitant to lay the reputation of "Jakarta" on the
line for something they publish. Instead it is better if the reputation hit
happens to the person that actually uploaded the content.
... anyway.
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ation *and* the Apache
Software Foundation. Commercial projects may also use Talon as the BSD
license is very flexible in this respect.
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n't had a
JVM for the last few years!
Once again the press does something stupid! :(
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The worse thing in life is to fall short!
-BE
7;t mind a clean room implementation. I don't mind them trying to get a
> really fast VM. I just want to be assured software I write works in EVERY
> PLATFORM--with no mods.
Was it clean room??? I don't think it was! I think that MS *did* break their
agreement with SUN so they did hav
of Java.
- - Tons of cool stuff! :)
Of course SUN has done stupid things in the past. The Sourceware Operating
System Proposal ( http://www.bitmover.com/lm/papers/srcos.html ) being the most
striking. This is a brilliant document and is well worth the read.
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> >
> > - - No more competition from .NET/C#. (why would anyone want to support an MS
> > proprietary language?)
>
> s/MS proprietary la
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> > > What I would like to see is something *better* than the JCP. I believe in
> > > open research. OSS fits a great m
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> > What would change if Apache used GPL?
>
> I would quit.
>
> :-)
Good to hear you
ant to see more docs on GCJs
performance.
> Most are about 3 years behind. Nothing even in the same vacinity as IBMs JVM.
Still a proprietary JVM. I am just happy that we at least have alternatives
with GCC 3.0.
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time.
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unt. ;)
I am on the train right now so I can't find the URL
> Actually, (personal opinion) removing a 1.1.4 from the OS gives us the
> opportunity to push the Java 2 platform more strongly (no more people coming
> to me saying "tomcat doesn't work with Microsoft JView... THERE&#
technology is so
amazing)
ug...
The hard part is trying to convince someone that Apache technologies are
superior. (these cost exactly $0.0)...
Try convincing someone to use Torque instead of their $200,000 EJB server it
is like trying to drive your hand through a 6' wall of steel.
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> > Try convincing someone to use Torque instead of their $200,000 EJB
> > server it is li
important.
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Hm... very interesting.
http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/09/13/2036205&mode=thread
Looks like SUN has pulled another Homer Simpson :)
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or doing this
type of purchase. At the end it would redirect to the download page of your
choice.
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hat package is your hacked SavePoint? Some VMs (AKA JDK 1.4) won't allow you
to load javax.* from your normal classpath if that package exists in the boot
classpath.
Might want to be careful of this.
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ny of these companies are doomed. They have
billions in the bank.
It would take years and years and years of stupidity to drain this money down to
0.
SUN, Microsoft, Oracle. They are not going anywhere. They will just change
their strategy.
... then again you should never underestimate the po
Neville Burnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> anyone remember Lotus Developments and WordPerfect Corporation ... they had
> billions in the bank too
Lotus == IBM
WordPerfect == Corel.
Still around... just different names :)
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become the classname minus the package, therefore which and Which would get
confusing :)
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ect tool [2], but it does the job
> well, people adopted it quickly and the bitching about Styleweb (the
> previous tool) stopped.
>
> thanks!
Why don't you just use an RSS aggregator. Then you can do a search for
'jakarta' and create your own newsletter.
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> > Why don't you just use an RSS aggregator. Then you can do a search for
>
/vote/jakarta
Of course the standard disclaimer. None of this is statistically valid... etc.
Also, please do not link to this URL. I wanted this to stay local to Apache.
Have fun.
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> (sorry for the cross post)
>
> I came up with this idea a while back but wasn't able to implement it until now.
> There are a LOT of really smart people in this community (Apach
oc6.html#449>
I find this VERY ironic/stupid (you pick)
if (condition) //AVOID! THIS OMITS THE BRACES {}!
statement;
^^^
So why the HECK did SUN even allow the language to support this?
Personally I have recently been smitten by one line if statements :).
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Yes... not with Apache Voting Rules...
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... Whereas it is essential, if man
Did you guys check out codecon - http://www.codecon.org
It is going to be held at the DNA Lounge (and I will be speaking about
Reptile)...
hm... how long before Jon hosts an ApacheCon ??? ;)
Anyway, good luck Jon. Keep us updated... I will try to spend a lot of money
at your new club!
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> > Did you guys check out codecon - http://www.codecon.org
> >
> > It is going to be
makes you look kind of funny...:-)
I think that this is Javadoc with modifications. The Javadoc license doesn't
allow one to release the modified source code.
PS... thanks SUN! :(
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mailing list is for people who love Java but are *very* concerned.
Please feel free to forward this email or link to the mailing list from your
site.
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> on 2/4/02 1:58 PM, "Kevin A. Burton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I created the java-is-dead mailing list to address these issues.
> >
> > Note
tware.
... SUN and "learn" shouldn't be in the same sentence :)
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you...
Yeah... it is a good thing that the JCP is:
" an open organization of international Java developers and licensees whose
charter is to develop and revise Java technology"
... doesn't sound very open here...
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e Linux
> peeps then who knows ;)
maybe... without some type of accepted community or steward I think that
everyone would just blow it off. GCJ looks cool but if everyone things Java is
dead then there won't be any use for it.
... this stuff really makes me ill :(
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>
> <http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jspa-position.html>
>
> Kudo's to Jason Hunter for writing it.
I read it last night from CVS.
I just wanted to say that I am really proud and excited to see Apache stand up
for something!
Lets keep up the good work! :)
Kevin
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> > on 2/4/02 1:58 PM, "Kevin A. Burton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > I created the java-is-dead mailing list
an open source reference
> implementation - but I'm still waiting for an official announcement - and its
> been 5 months and counting...
If you believe this you are very naive.
SUN had said for years and years that Java would be pushed through a standards
committee. At the time
;
> There could be a chance to discuss these things during the JavaOne next month.
> Perhaps at Jon`s new place which is not too far away from the Moscone center?
I would be game for this. There are plenty of other places to talk if Jon
doesn't want to host one.
I think it is a good id
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> > Dont't sit back and do nothing. Sending emails to this list is just a waste
> > of your time.
>
> Try to imagine what m
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> > OK... when you get SUN to Open Source Java you can walk around with your head
> > high...
gt; Caldera agree with a lot of the concerns expressed by Apache. We would like to
> see more to be done to protect the interests of open source providers.
Did Caldera understand what they voted for? If they agree with Apache why did
they vote yes?
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and we're not going to take it any more!"
:)
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Linux is both Open
or so :)
> So who should decide of next standards and apis for oss ? w3c, ASF, exolab,
> enhydra but certainly no more jcp.
Well.. not unless they change.
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ay that we're slowly getting there...
>
> Complaining on a mailing list doesn't help, maybe suggesting being propositive
> and active on another might...
It is easy to get frustrated... especially when dealing with these HUGE
organizations. Kind of like moving a mountai
Jakarta project that has such a class.
There is also one in Batik, JXTA, Catalina, Apache SOAP, Apache Xerces, Axis,
Commons, Talon and Freenet.
And yes... it is good having a high performance Javadoc index :)
http://relativity.yi.org/jde-docindex/ (self plug)
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Intellectual 'property' is to property as fool's gold is to gol
ship a
new JDK for 18 months. Competition issues - can't use your JCP library within
another VM (GCJ), etc, etc, etc.
So... screw JAXM. I would much rather link to Axis directly and bypass their
API.
Things need to change, drastically and soon...
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ner.
Yes... then I would suggest that they DON'T participate in the JCP or Open
Source community until they can publish...
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skeptical though. I want to see this
in action
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It is error alone which
agreement point!
Jason... good work!
It is really appreciated!
Politics can be a real pain sometimes but this is a good example of how it i
worth it!
Thanks for all your hard time! I'll buy you a beer next time we bump into each
other at a conference! :) (and any other Apache hackers too!)
, I can see where a lot of projects are eventually going to
> follow this same path ...
Why stop at Poi!? I suggest that we move all of Jakarta over to C#
(April fools... just in case this doesn't get archived correctly.)
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> >
> > The page is titled: "The Jakarta Site - New and Status"
> > ^ 's' missing :)
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engine is a service.
>
> Why is it that people think Turbine is a servlet engine?
I though Turbine was a EJB server!
Kevin
:)
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oing to point this out.
> Funny how all the rage recently seems to be creating these OR tools.
It is a problem people can understand and is easy to become fascinated with.
Similar to they way everyone in the world has created their own text editor.
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>
> Oh, isn't that just hilarious! :)
I demand a recount!
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ewpoint but calling jon an
"*sshole" was over the top.
If you don't like it, unsubscribe.
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page explaining the whole "Jon issue"... linked from Jakarta's
> home page, of course.
Hm... Is Jon becoming the Richard Stallman of the Apache Software Foundation
;) ;)
ha.
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rence a Change Log
> or To Do list.
I predict that they will become sick of working with an XML format :)
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g... besides the
ability to XSLT it into html (I don't think this is necessary).
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ect is going to emulate FooProject...
Good point... I think the Turbine docs are a step towards this.
Having a column, line wrap would be nice though.
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?
The point is that the 3rd black leg isn't really a leg.. right?
I mean Tomcats are really well known for one thing. If you have seen one
roaming your neighborhood at 3AM.
Anyway... would be interesting to hear about how this got created.
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Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 12/15/01 4:41 PM, "Kevin A. Burton - burtonator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Has this been accepted as psuedo standard across Jakarta?
>
> No, each project has it's own coding st
this as an addition?
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"Craig R. McClanahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 15 Dec 2001, Kevin A. Burton - burtonator wrote:
>
> >
> > Perhaps.
> >
> > It might be a good idea to have a default recommendation or a global standard.
> >
> > ... anyway...
&
utside of their original
environment.
Thoughts?
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James Duncan Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 12/15/01 20:31, "Kevin A. Burton - burtonator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > What is the deal with that Tomcat logo?
> > I know it is from the old Tomcat product even while it is back at SUN.
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