On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> W dniu nie, 03.12.2017 o godzinie 23∶59 -0600, użytkownik R0b0t1
> napisał:
>> As noted, there is one: analyzing the actions of those who are being
>> "attacked" to see why people are bothering to do it in the first
>> place. I sincerely doubt
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
>>
>> I think the plan to split mailing lists serves as a way to insulate
>> developers from the effects of their decisions. Anyone with an
>> incongenial tone will have their voice bit re
I apologize for replying to only this message, but #1 stood out and I
am still catching up.
On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 12:57 PM, kuzetsa wrote:
> On 12/04/2017 01:51 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
>> On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:15:32 +
>> "M. J. Everitt" wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/12/17 00:37, Matt Turner
On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 00:25:46 +0100
Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>
> One of the primary issues recently is that you keep bringing up old
> matters in a way that is a criticism of Gentoo overall, in various
> channels. We've heard it already, and to keep bringing it up doesn't
> add additional value
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:22:34 -0500
"William L. Thomson Jr." wrote:
>
> For the record and reading assumer's. All my actions were in public,
> basically on mailing lists starting with -nfp long ago. All action
> taken against me was in public visible on my developer bug. I have
> never communicated
On 12/06/2017 12:22 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> Sorry and no more from me. I just feel given how I am portrayed,
> spoken of, action taken against, etc. I must clarify some things for the
> public record. Which even despite all my actions being in public.
> People still assume because resea
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:02:01 -0500
Rich Freeman wrote:
>
> The problem is that with current policies if somebody in Comrel/etc
> had evidence to the contrary they would not be able to refute such a
> denial. My example wasn't of wltjr specifically (at least not to my
> knowledge), but it just goes
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 6:01 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
> On 12/05/2017 11:41 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>> On 12/05/2017 11:37 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>>> Honestly, I'm not really a big fan of even on-topic posts from people
>>> who have caused a lot of harm to others in private. I'm
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
> On 12/05/2017 11:37 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> Honestly, I'm not really a big fan of even on-topic posts from people
>> who have caused a lot of harm to others in private. I'm not sure
>> which is the lesser evil but do we really want
On 12/05/2017 11:41 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
> On 12/05/2017 11:37 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> Honestly, I'm not really a big fan of even on-topic posts from people
>> who have caused a lot of harm to others in private. I'm not sure
>> which is the lesser evil but do we really want a commun
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:46 PM, William L. Thomson Jr.
wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:25:21 -0500
> Rich Freeman wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand
>> wrote:
>> > On 12/05/2017 11:12 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> >
>> >> And what would you do when somebody repeatedly
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:25:21 -0500
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand
> wrote:
> > On 12/05/2017 11:12 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> >
> >> And what would you do when somebody repeatedly sexually harasses
> >> other members of the community in private after
On 12/05/2017 11:37 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> Honestly, I'm not really a big fan of even on-topic posts from people
> who have caused a lot of harm to others in private. I'm not sure
> which is the lesser evil but do we really want a community where we
> tolerate absolutely any kind of abuse of ot
On 12/05/2017 05:18 PM, Nils Freydank wrote:
> 5. Reasons for warnings and bans
>
--snip--
> c) spamming, i.e. flooding discussions with lots of messages in a row
> d) constant postings off topic, i.e. disrupting discussions with unrelated
> questions
> (co
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:27 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>
> The difference would be that you, in your first example, can demonstrate
> some actual abuse. In the latter case you're talking about differences
> of opinions of how things are run, which quickly turns into censorship.
>
I don't se
On 12/05/2017 11:25 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>> On 12/05/2017 11:12 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
I think the plan to split mailing lists serves as a way to insulate
develo
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
> On 12/05/2017 11:12 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
>>> I think the plan to split mailing lists serves as a way to insulate
>>> developers from the effects of their decisions. Anyone w
On 12/05/2017 11:12 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
>> I think the plan to split mailing lists serves as a way to insulate
>> developers from the effects of their decisions. Anyone with an
>> incongenial tone will have their voice bit revoked and th
Hello everyone,
with regards to the current mailing list (ML) split discussion, and one
specific message deep down there by mgorny asked for someone providing
moderator rules, I would like to propose the following ruleset for gentoo-dev
Right now the situation escalated in a way that forces to
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
>
> I think the plan to split mailing lists serves as a way to insulate
> developers from the effects of their decisions. Anyone with an
> incongenial tone will have their voice bit revoked and their mail will
> be dropped or rejected.
And wh
On 2017-12-03 00:18, Michał Górny wrote:
> …snip…
I understand, and sympathize with, the motivation to create another list
and restrict gentoo-dev. And, I agree with most of the points,
especially given some of the more recent events.
I still vote no.
gentoo-dev is supposed to be for open discus
On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 08:59:40AM +, Peter Stuge wrote:
> Daniel Campbell wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 12:18:04AM +0100, Michał Górny wrote:
> > > I'd like to establish the following changes to the mailing lists:
> > >
> > > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists wi
On 2017-12-05 10:51, Georg Rudoy wrote:
> From and Reply-To are two separate fields.
Yes, but that wasn’t what was being discussed. I was giving an example
as to why the From field should be editable in an email client.
I’ll set the Reply-To for emails to be directed to the proper contact
point,
On 05.12.17 at 15:14 user Aaron W. Swenson wrote:
> One reason is to send from a nonexistent account to avoid getting
> replies in the first place.
>From and Reply-To are two separate fields.
But that, of course, depends on the way bans are implemented in the
maillist management software.
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On 2017-12-04 18:08, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 18:01:39 -0500
> "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 14:43:15 -0800
> > Matt Turner wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry. I think I was confusing a number of irritating things you've
> > > done: email spoofing,
>
Am Montag, 4. Dezember 2017, 18:02:21 CET schrieb Michał Górny:
> W dniu pon, 04.12.2017 o godzinie 14∶18 +0100, użytkownik Dirkjan
>
> Ochtman napisał:
> > On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 10:43 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> [...]
>
> I'm all for it, as long as someone is actually going to do the necessary
>
Daniel Campbell wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 12:18:04AM +0100, Michał Górny wrote:
> > I'd like to establish the following changes to the mailing lists:
> >
> > 1. Posting to gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists will be
> > initially restricted to active Gentoo developers.
>
> I don'
William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> No one questions why I stepped down.
I have wondered what happened, but haven't felt able to investigate.
Please know that I wouldn't take sides without investigating, and I
think that an overwhelming majority is also like that. A problem is
that you'll only ever h
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