Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Ahmed Ammar (b33fc0d3)

2008-03-29 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
ointed me to a icedtea/openjdk ebuild he had in google development space. It should be hitting an overlay soon, either java-experiment or java-overlay. So for all your open source java fetishes, Ahmed is your man. If that's not throwing him the under the bus and on the barbie afterward. :) --

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April

2008-04-02 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
mum requirements. Surely could have side effects, but not a horrible idea -- William L. Thomson Jr. amd64/Java/Trustees Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Chris Henhawke (bunder)

2008-04-27 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
9 months. > > Finally! I can't believe it took you nine months. ;) How long was labor? I mean the recruiter review? Natural, or breech? Did you go for the epi? =) -- William L. Thomson Jr. amd64/Java/Trustees Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

[gentoo-dev] Default blank lines for error, elog, einfo, etc

2008-06-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
about cases like einfo elog "Something" einfo Or similar. Could just be a pipe dream, or something that is not practical or feasible to implement. Just a quick thought I had, no ties to it. Toss it in the trash for all I care. :) -- William L. Thomson Jr. amd64/Java/Trustees Ge

Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations for council

2008-06-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
loper. Including voting rights on any vote or election put forth by any entity Council, etc other than the Foundation to it's members. -- William L. Thomson Jr. amd64/Java/Trustees Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations for council

2008-06-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
than it's intention. Much less make it easier to see and understand the structure of Gentoo to an outsider. -- William L. Thomson Jr. amd64/Java/Trustees Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations for council

2008-06-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
aily operations do not change. Just clarification of duties and separation on paper. In one document :) -- William L. Thomson Jr. amd64/Java/Trustees Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Default blank lines for error, elog, einfo, etc

2008-06-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
t;" Then maybe if a argument = "" it can be swapped out for echo :) -- William L. Thomson Jr. amd64/Java/Trustees Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Default blank lines for error, elog, einfo, etc

2008-06-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 20:52 -0400, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > I think a more ideal solution, less drastic to implement might be > allowing 2 arguments to be passed. So you could do like > > elog "" "A blank line precedes this one" > elog "A blan

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Foundation <-> Council was -> Nominations for council

2008-06-06 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
hole unit/single organization. Not this two entities crap, one body. > Which is completely and categorically wrong. Provide facts to prove that. -- William L. Thomson Jr. amd64/Java/Trustees Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Foundation <-> Council was -> Nominations for council

2008-06-06 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Fri, 2008-06-06 at 14:13 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > On 15:53 Fri 06 Jun , William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/about.shtml > > > > "The FreeBSD Foundation is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization dedicated > > t

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Foundation <-> Council was -> Nominations for council

2008-06-06 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
a value. Definitely if we receive them on a re-occurring basis. Even more so if other companies are using that as write off as a charitable expenses. IRS will want to compare what they are deducting is showing up on the other end. :) -- William L. Thomson Jr. amd64/Java/Trustees Gentoo Foundation

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Default blank lines for error, elog, einfo, etc

2008-06-06 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
I can't think of a use for it myself. > The question is how to name the switch :) "-n" could be confusing as > "echo -n" has the opposite effect. Maybe "-b" for "blank"? Or -p for preceding -t for trailing. Which would make one liner elog -pt &q

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Default blank lines for error, elog, einfo, etc

2008-06-16 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
One has to code 3 lines in ebuild. That should be 1 line to get 1 comment, with auto-blanks per flag/switch, or etc. 1 line of code 3 lines of output, efficient. 3 lines of code, 3 lines of output. Not so much. -- William L. Thomson Jr. amd64/Java/Trustees Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Default blank lines for error, elog, einfo, etc

2008-06-16 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
detecting and setting the right color. Which is pretty moot per my initial thoughts. Which was just to reduce size of ebuilds (slightly), write less code. -- William L. Thomson Jr. amd64/Java/Trustees Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] icedtea requiring X libs to build was -> Guidelines for IUSE defaults

2017-02-02 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
e. Though given graphical library usage previously mentioned. Some parts may always bring in things you may not want on a server. -- William L. Thomson Jr. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: [gentoo-dev] icedtea requiring X libs to build was -> Guidelines for IUSE defaults

2017-02-02 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Thursday, February 2, 2017 10:53:08 AM EST Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 02/02/2017 10:51 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > On Thursday, February 2, 2017 10:36:51 AM EST Michael Orlitzky wrote: > >> Why does dev-java/icedtea try to pull in GTK (and thus X) > >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] icedtea requiring X libs to build was -> Guidelines for IUSE defaults

2017-02-02 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
Java 9 will improve on this. > > Apologies: I was actually thinking of icedtea-bin... which ALSO pulls in > GTK due to IUSE defaults. If you look at dev-java/icedtea ebuild you will see # Gtk+ will move to COMMON_DEP in time; PR1982 I cannot find PR1982 referenced to link. But shows th

Re: [gentoo-dev] icedtea requiring X libs to build was -> Guidelines for IUSE defaults

2017-02-02 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Thursday, February 2, 2017 11:27:20 AM EST Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 02/02/2017 11:18 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > If you look at dev-java/icedtea ebuild you will see > > > > # Gtk+ will move to COMMON_DEP in time; PR1982 > > > > I cannot find PR1

Re: [gentoo-dev] icedtea requiring X libs to build was -> Guidelines for IUSE defaults

2017-02-02 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:18:43 PM EST Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 02/02/2017 12:06 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > >> But more importantly, icedtea-bin was just one example that I had in > >> mind. There are hundreds of others in the tree. > > > > S

Re: [gentoo-dev] Guidelines for IUSE defaults

2017-02-03 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
x27;t followed every comment. What about some global env variable that could override all default IUSE. That can set in base, and set what ever minimal IUSE flags that are needed. -- William L. Thomson Jr. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Guidelines for IUSE defaults

2017-02-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
etc. Its probably best to have a team, familiar with profiles managing profiles. Rather than every developer working with IUSE and packages. While they may be bloated, or uglier. There isn't really a way around, short of something that bypasses default flags, allowing others to be set instead. -- William L. Thomson Jr. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Guidelines for IUSE defaults

2017-02-04 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Sunday, February 5, 2017 7:14:45 AM EST Kent Fredric wrote: > On Sat, 04 Feb 2017 12:44:38 -0500 > > "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > > The question to ask is who do you want to create more work for? > > People maintaining packages, or people maintaining prof

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving OpenRC to a meson-based build

2017-02-07 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
e Autotools for asspr[2]. CMake would be overkill for asspr. I would experiment with CMake yourself and form your own opinion. I really do not think it is difficult. I have not heard anyone say it was difficult. Just the opposite. 1. https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/jem 2. https:/

Re: [gentoo-dev] [patch] golang-vcs-snapshot.eclass: add vendoring of external dependencies

2017-03-09 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
Pretty sure no need for the ||die, rm -fr should never fail. rm -fr "${VENDOR_PATH}/${VENDORPN}" || die -- William L. Thomson Jr. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [patch] golang-vcs-snapshot.eclass: add vendoring of external dependencies

2017-03-09 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Thursday, March 9, 2017 1:29:55 PM EST Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 03/09/2017 01:21 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > Pretty sure no need for the ||die, rm -fr should never fail. > > > > rm -fr "${VENDOR_PATH}/${VENDORPN}" || die > > $ rm -rf /bi

Re: [gentoo-dev] [patch] golang-vcs-snapshot.eclass: add vendoring of external dependencies

2017-03-09 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Thursday, March 9, 2017 2:28:47 PM EST Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 03/09/2017 02:00 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > Under what circumstances? > > > > ... > > > > Seems like it is not possible to generate the above permission issue. > > I can mak

Re: [gentoo-dev] [patch] golang-vcs-snapshot.eclass: add vendoring of external dependencies

2017-03-09 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
a test suite that always returns 1. Sure, and along those lines I do not believe the rm -f || die stuff is documented. That may help and clarify usage based on context. -- William L. Thomson Jr. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [patch] golang-vcs-snapshot.eclass: add vendoring of external dependencies

2017-03-09 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Thursday, March 9, 2017 7:43:50 PM EST William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Thursday, March 9, 2017 7:08:12 PM EST Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > Whether "-f" is appropriate or not depends on the context. > > > > With firebird, you expect all of those directories t

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Pre-GLEP: Security Project

2017-03-13 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
han have every employee interacting with me directly. Essentially the contact becomes the client "lead". In a Utopian world all Team Leads may meet with the council as part of a bigger picture. Everything coming together as one. Part of the idea behind the GLEP I suggested about r

[gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-09 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
not do now till a bunch of ebulids have their targets increased. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpE1goV3vWlr.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-09 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 17:52:44 -0400 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 04/09/2017 12:15 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > Not sure if this is practical, it may be less work if the use of > > Python and Ruby versions ( maybe others ) is reversed. Rather than > > adding all

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-09 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 23:44:50 +0200 Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > On 04/09/2017 06:15 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > Not sure if this is practical, it may be less work if the use of > > Python and Ruby versions ( maybe others ) is reversed. Rather than > > adding all

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-09 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
ub.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/ebuild-batcher 2. https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/ebuild-bumper -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgp_JhiFSjrcx.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-09 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
is tremendous work as is now. Not to mention a really bad end user experience. This would considerable reduce the workload. Not to mention making life better for end users. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpAJEtNcS4qL.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-09 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
. That is a waste of anyone's time. Much less developers adding/removing targets from ebuilds. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpDXwfVE6cAE.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
h TARGETS. > We have it your way for PHP packages, and I wish it was like > Python/Ruby instead. That makes PHP, Perl, and Java. Just Python and Ruby are handled differently. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgppGP54QJSNw.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
"off" options. That sounds terrible. Lots of distros with things already turned on/off. Gentoo should never be one. USE flags can be a PITA, but they are a necessary evil. Its the ever changing TARGETS that are annoying, and cumbersome to users. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpoXNMHlFEGf.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
d. Just negativity, insults, and lack of any real facts just opinion and rudeness. Typical status quo... -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpj7GVrw9h7A.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
hings? Any? Or the status quo is utopia? All I see is negativity. Not a single technical argument why it technically would not be feasible. Nothing to suggest an alternative way. Absolutely nothing constructive. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpw66mmBwG7Q.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 10:58:10 -0700 Christopher Head wrote: > On April 9, 2017 7:04:13 PM PDT, "William L. Thomson Jr." > wrote: > >The present system is a PITA for users. Fiddling with adding/removing > >targets for Python/Ruby. > > As an ordinary user, tha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
ing the topic on the mailing list without doing any research or > simply asking the person who did it. What of your comments have been constructive? This discussion is not about everything to do with mgorny. I was pointing out you have not presented any alternative ideas. Nothing constructive, just criticism after starting with clear insults. I keep providing facts, and examples. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgptbqpiEuntA.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:57:10 +0300 Mart Raudsepp wrote: > Ühel kenal päeval, E, 10.04.2017 kell 14:44, kirjutas William L. > Thomson Jr.: > > Again go modify a few hundred python packages to remove say 3.4. I > > think about 10-20 ebuilds in. You will be scripting and looking f

Re: [gentoo-dev] No Java Team, Java neglect was -> Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
entoo can do what ever. Given the attitudes of some. I am glad I stay clear. It makes life better. Rather spend time on the beach then dealing with the rudeness here... -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpTcBeaD9Ya2.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
am ~3 months into Jenkins from source.... Most go into tree as -bin People are funny :) -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgp1pFWa5jhtJ.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
ing, removing old is not an issue. You still have adding new, and the end user experience. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgp_B43QIoO_4.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] No Java Team, Java neglect was -> Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 16:04:25 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 3:49 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. > wrote: > > > > Given the attitudes of some. I am glad I stay clear. > > If only... How many new developers this year? Oh that is right ZERO... That p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 16:01:55 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > > Ok I concede on removing older versions. Lets put old version aside. > > What about adding new? You still have to add the new version to > PYTHON_COMPAT in each ebuild right? > > What about use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
supports Java. As in running Java code on perl, php, python, or ruby. At best its optional Java support. Java is a different beast, and people run those languages in Java... And others, Groovy, Scala, Clojure, etc -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpJrs_Ww5MOf.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
uby, as those install location is based on version. Java is the only that does not install based on version. Anything in Gentoo that goes against the status quo gets heavy resistance and thus Gentoo does not change. But continues on with the status quo -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpD7i7WH2uBE.pgp

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
ge, that you're interested in, still doesn't support it... > Well.. It meant, maintainer is a slacker and package is a candidate > to last-rites and removal... All you should have to do is set the python/ruby versions via eselect. Eclasses and ebuilds should handle the rest as they do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
commits, you see add ruby24.... https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/commits/master/dev-ruby -- William L. Thomson Jr.

Re: [gentoo-dev] No Java Team, Java neglect was -> Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 16:58:35 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:15 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. > wrote: > > > > Signs are all around. Lots of posts about packages up for grabs > > etc... Of course I am the one killing Gentoo. Despite having been > &g

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
< Ruby 24. That was a PITA. It kept dropping. Masked 23 it went down to 22, masked 22, it dropped to 21. Not to mention all the other headaches before I went to hard mask the package. -- William L. Thomson Jr.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
ct php list !!! Error: Please choose one of the following modules: cli apache2 fpm cgi phpdbg No clue what that is about. PHP is working fine for nagios. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpO1U_ijPhHV.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
ss, the TARGETS remain. Things did not change from a user perspective. Recently packaging some ebuilds, the COMPAT/VERSION does not seem to have changed. Despite what ever changes to the eclass. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpqAcdBCmFhu.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] No Java Team, Java neglect was -> Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 17:31:26 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 5:21 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. > wrote: > > > > Why are no new people coming? its hardly because of me Maybe > > someday the majority will make it past the denial and blame others.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
bout what is on their system. Every other version is another potential for security issues etc. What good system adminstrator just installs needless stuff because they are lazy. Neither of these are good points. hacking nor users who do not care to even set targets -- William L. Thomson Jr.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
nd maybe some others. > Hence, that's the sort of problem I'm more inclined to throw grep at > and then run it through an automated test PR to make sure I didn't > break anything if I was really concerned. Check out paludis -- William L. Thomson Jr.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
the case yet.... That is a lot of work. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpsfB2vrfG9y.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 00:44:30 +0300 Mart Raudsepp wrote: > Ühel kenal päeval, E, 10.04.2017 kell 17:33, kirjutas William L. > Thomson Jr.: > > Add a new Java version and recompiling packages with it, will also > > immediately show breakage if any. > > > > If your s

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
uld run it and it produced like a chart, depgraph sort of thing or something. Its been a long time, since I used it. > It was good once, but it and the portage tree no longer seem good > friends. That was my experience. Seemed it was one or the other not both. At least not easily. --

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Getting to know others in Gentoo was -> No Java Team, Java neglect was -> Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-11 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
ell them how to conduct themselves, etc. I live by the golden rule, and most all that has been done to me. I would never to do to others. I would not stand for those things for to be done to anyone. No on deserves such. Nor do I believe those doing such things would feel the same if things were re

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions

2017-04-20 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
trying to invalidate the pain that some people experience, > just pointing out that I think it may be inaccurate to call that the > “ordinary user” use case. That you are on -dev mailing list. Not sure that would put you in the normal use category. Though there are normal users who run ~arc

Re: [gentoo-dev] meson.eclass third draft

2017-05-05 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
e a script that runs annually to update all copyrights to current year. I do some of that myself and need to do more Additional reading http://www.copyrightlaws.com/international/copyright-notice-year/ -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpKfN8GUyuA8.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] meson.eclass third draft

2017-05-05 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Fri, 5 May 2017 13:18:58 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > On Fri, 05 May 2017 18:55:41 +0200 > Michał Górny wrote: > > > On pią, 2017-05-05 at 10:35 -0500, William Hubbs wrote: > > > # Copyright 2017 Gentoo Foundation > > > > Are

Re: [gentoo-dev] meson.eclass third draft

2017-05-05 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
ial give up our copyright when you put Gentoo's copyright on there. I think it would have to include a persons name for the death term to apply. I believe 95-120 years is the duration. https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ15a.pdf -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpKBQG77At9M.pgp Description: Op

Re: [gentoo-dev] meson.eclass third draft

2017-05-05 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Fri, 5 May 2017 14:05:38 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > That means if you author something in 2017, and put down say > 1999-2017. You are starting at 1999, and not 2017. Losing 16 years Er 18 back to 1st grade... -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpuBuutCVu7b

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT Copyright -> meson.eclass third draft

2017-05-05 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Fri, 5 May 2017 14:31:17 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > On Fri, 5 May 2017 18:20:43 + > Erik Närström wrote: > > > I'snt copyright deth of author +70yrs? > > Yes for work that is copyright to say you or me. Something copyright > to an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla package list editing

2017-05-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
. And becoming more so by the day -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgp4HsR9xGXa3.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-dev-announce] Last rites: dev-java/jdbc-jaybird

2017-06-20 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
th java 8 it is something you are doing wrong. It will build fine with Java 8, and Java 9... Feel free to punt though. https://firebirdsql.org/en/jdbc-driver/ -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpBiX_lA2YHJ.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] The status of grsecurity upstream and hardened-sources downstream

2017-06-26 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
https://dirtycow.ninja/ https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=19be0eaffa3ac7d8eb6784ad9bdbc7d67ed8e619 -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpQrERxVX_tW.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

[gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-07 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpIneSWJ429G.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-07 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
hat blog post. But sets seem pretty nifty. I liked them till I tried using one in a profile. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpD1D0rSunhu.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-07 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
. You cannot remove all packages ( short of dep clean ) or re-emerge all packages from a meta ebuild easily. You can from a set. Sets do have their uses. I think they are not used much for a variety of reasons, but likely could be used more. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpDmJSAHVTYl.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-07 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 12:57:17 -0400 Brian Evans wrote: > On 7/7/2017 12:32 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > > I think sets have benefits over meta packages. This was the most > > comprehensive document on sets, benefits, uses, etc. Other than the > > general doc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-07 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 13:31:52 -0400 NP-Hardass wrote: > On 07/07/2017 01:05 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 12:48:04 -0400 > > NP-Hardass wrote: > >> > Yeah, but I'm not wild about the prospect of handling some packages > via one met

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-07 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
ost issues of that nature should be easily preventable. My main interest is in being able to use a package set in a profile. While retaining that set on its own for rebuild and other purposes. Someone may want to use said set, but not a given profile using the set. Having sets being usable in profiles gives you the best of both. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpb6BTYnmChX.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Need GitHub snapshot hash verification failure samples

2017-07-08 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
For anyone interested in such, I opened a feature request bug for allowing use of sets in profile packages. https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=624300 -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgp04RTMoMwAV.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-08 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
For anyone interested in such, I opened a feature request bug for allowing use of sets in profile packages. https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=624300 P.S. Miss posted on wrong thread... thus duplicate, sorry! -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpkQZ6BpgeJj.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-08 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
has supported for some time. You likely have many sets already on your system emerge --list-sets https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/World_set_(Portage) https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/System_set_(Portage) https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki//etc/portage/sets https://dev.gentoo.org/~zmedico/portage/doc/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-08 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
y trying to expand their use. If someone wants to "try" out some packages a set is an ideal way of doing such. If someone wants a subset of what is in a meta ebuild. Again a set is an ideal way to do that. If for no other reason, then if the user wants to remove them. They

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-08 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 16:35:34 -0700 Zac Medico wrote: > On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 4:09 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. > wrote: > > Sets are also used for package rebuilds, like x11-module-rebuild, > > live-rebuild, and others. > > Usually there are better ways to trigge

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-08 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 00:49:57 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 19:39:33 -0400 > "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > > The two ways are not the same, and there is a reason sets exist in > > the first place. People seem to be over looking that fact. I di

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-08 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 01:10:11 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 19:58:13 -0400 > "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > > On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 00:49:57 +0100 > > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 19:39:33 -0400 > > > "

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-08 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
moon_build, and the entry > "@palemoon_build" from /var/lib/portage/world_sets. It turns out that > all these packages are required anyways. Meaning little was removed after you did emerge --depclean world ? -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpBF_KcKMHrU.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-08 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 18:30:10 -0700 Zac Medico wrote: > On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 4:46 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. > wrote: > > On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 16:35:34 -0700 > > Zac Medico wrote: > > > >> For live-rebuild, it would be > >> much nicer to have a fram

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-09 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 05:24:19 -0400 "Walter Dnes" wrote: > On Sat, Jul 08, 2017 at 09:32:09PM -0400, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote > > On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 20:27:38 -0400 > > "Walter Dnes" wrote: > > > > > > > Though I will have to see what

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-09 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
the rules for sets in profiles easier. - Sets in profiles can contain anything that is valid in a profile/packages file, less the * symbol. I think that addresses both versions and slots. The rest, like use expansion I believe is handled via package.use in profiles and not in packages. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpg4_wmxj4MG.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-09 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
. That's why we need an > EAPI/PMS extension, in order to implement behavior like > smart-live-rebuild. Hopefully that will be in a future version so such can be added. Up to PMS authors. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpLNRirHG5wH.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-09 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
ding on demand is likely the biggest feature. You cannot rebuild a meta package on demand. You can rebuild the meta package, but not the packages in the meta package. You would have to list those one by one. Thus using a set is much easier. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgp9xkAQQUKvV.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 00:43:11 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 21:37:11 -0400 > "Walter Dnes" wrote: > > > > "Fat-Finger" does happen once in while. Removing the risk of it > > happening in the first place is a l

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 15:07:37 -0400 Brian Evans wrote: > On 7/10/2017 2:59 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 00:43:11 -0400 > > "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > > I think portage should also warn on removing packages that came in > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 15:15:35 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > # emerge -pC tomcat-servlet-api > * This action can remove important packages! In order to be safer, > use > * `emerge -pv --depclean ` to check for reverse dependencies >before > * remov

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
;>> 'Selected' packages are slated for removal. >>> 'Protected' and 'omitted' packages will not be removed. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpikSlzOPh3U.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 15:36:16 -0400 "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > > !!! 'sys-devel/gcc' is part of your system profile. > !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. When un-merging a package from a set, You get a similar warning. I think this warning sho

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
about informing the user. Both ways leave the user wanting. - The -c option should say why it will not remove. - The -C option should warn like it does with profile packages -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgp5TMEgVbvWZ.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 14:48:23 -0500 Ben Kohler wrote: > > > > > > - The -c option should say why it will not remove. > > > > > > -- > > William L. Thomson Jr. > > > It does, if you use the --verbose flag. This is mentioned in your > emerge o

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 15:55:47 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:45 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. > wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 14:39:00 -0500 > > Ben Kohler wrote: > >> > >> > You aren't taking the time to read your own emerg

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets vs Meta ebuilds

2017-07-10 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
asking for -C to behave like > -c, when you could just be using -c instead. No I simply want warnings like that exist for profiles and set packages. Also more information when attempting to remove a package that is not removed. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpt1MIMOOMfm.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

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