Re: [gentoo-dev] Update of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org

2005-11-25 Thread Curtis Napier
Flammie Pirinen wrote: 2005-11-25, Curtis Napier sanoi, jotta: I honestly thought that the changes I made were better from an accessibility standpoint. I guess I was wrong. Not really. So on that note, I've gone over the design and gotten it closer to Aarons's reference. [...] Check

Re: Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] manpages that requires dependencies

2005-11-25 Thread Alexandre Buisse
On 11/25/05, Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 25.11.2005, 0:58:28, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:49:23 +0100 Diego 'Flameeyes' Petteno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Hi everybody, a little question that I'd like to be answered (so that | we can make it a sort of rule). | How should

[gentoo-dev] last rites for dev-python/twisted-cvs

2005-11-25 Thread Marien Zwart
Hi, twisted-cvs is a live cvs ebuild that is completely useless since it is checking out a module that no longer exists (upstream switched to svn long ago). I plan to remove it next sunday (yes, that's less than the usual week, but the ebuild doesn't even finish src_unpack, so...). -- Marien.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Update of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org

2005-11-25 Thread kang
Curtis Napier wrote: gentoo.org and all domains owned by the Gentoo Foundation should render correctly in all browsers that are still in general use. IE5 on the mac is still a valid browser and will be supported as much as possible. IE5 for mac contains unfixed security issues which won't be

Re: [gentoo-dev] manpages that requires dependencies

2005-11-25 Thread Marius Mauch
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:49:23 +0100 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Hi everybody, a little question that I'd like to be answered (so that | we can make it a sort of rule). | How should manpages that are generated be managed? | | The common sense and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Update of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org

2005-11-25 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 12:14 +, kang wrote: Now people can also use NCSA Mosaic. It's valid as long as you can run it. But a browser with vulns, unsupported by the vendor, with a broken CSS, I think you do not have to support it. Well of course, if you like it just do it ;) Hmmm.. I think

Re: [gentoo-dev] Update of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org

2005-11-25 Thread Grobian
On 25-11-2005 12:14:53 +, kang wrote: Curtis Napier wrote: gentoo.org and all domains owned by the Gentoo Foundation should render correctly in all browsers that are still in general use. IE5 on the mac is still a valid browser and will be supported as much as possible. IE5 for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo

2005-11-25 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Thursday 24 November 2005 22:42, lnxg33k wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 19:49:18 +0100 Filip Bartmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I want have Gentoo in e-shop with Linux distributions. I find, that | Gentoo is under GNU/GPL. Must I distribute in e-shop sources of

Re: [gentoo-dev] enewuser/enewgroup getting their own eclass

2005-11-25 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 19:34 +, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 08:54:41AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 03:44 +, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 01:15:52PM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: OK. I've been looking at some of these

Re: [gentoo-dev] [OT] Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation

2005-11-25 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 14:49 -0600, lnxg33k wrote: A few posts here have mentioned Catalyst and its respective documentation. I remember tossing out some bugs about the docs and was told they were old and being redone. A quick google seems to bring up some dated stuff. Anyway, are those docs up

[gentoo-dev] New perl eclass, perl-app.eclass (re: collision-protects in perl related installs)

2005-11-25 Thread Michael Cummings
[Background] The way perl modules are currently created using the perl-module eclass, man3 files are generated in duplication of the current pod docs. This leads to both a waste of disk space (anyone working with a perl module first thinks to perldoc it - not man it), and more importantly

Re: [gentoo-dev] Update of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org

2005-11-25 Thread kang
Patrick Lauer wrote: Some usability issues: The top right textlinks are too dark and quite small. They aren't easily readable and don't present themselves as clickable items (especially with the dotted line below them they look like random text) Hm, the don't present themselves as clickable

Re: [gentoo-dev] Update of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org

2005-11-25 Thread Harald van Dijk
On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 12:14:53PM +, kang wrote: Curtis Napier wrote: gentoo.org and all domains owned by the Gentoo Foundation should render correctly in all browsers that are still in general use. IE5 on the mac is still a valid browser and will be supported as much as possible.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Update of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org

2005-11-25 Thread kang
Harald van Dijk wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 12:14:53PM +, kang wrote: Curtis Napier wrote: gentoo.org and all domains owned by the Gentoo Foundation should render correctly in all browsers that are still in general use. IE5 on the mac is still a valid browser and will be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Update of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org

2005-11-25 Thread Harald van Dijk
On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 03:56:14PM +, kang wrote: Harald van Dijk wrote: Even with its bugs, it's one of best browsers for MacOS 8.1, which I still use. But if you can suggest a better one, please do. You might want to try iCab or opera. Well, I'd suggest you to run linux on it

Re: [gentoo-dev] my apologies for the mess with this release of MySQL 5.0.16

2005-11-25 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 22:51 +0100, Francesco R. wrote: my apologies for the mess with this release of MySQL 5.0.16 and for the one will come with the dev-db/mysql-4.1.15-r1 ebuild I'm confused. MySQL 5 seems to have been available on ~amd64 for quite sometime. I've already converted my

Re: [gentoo-dev] my apologies for the mess with this release of MySQL 5.0.16

2005-11-25 Thread Simon Stelling
Albert Hopkins wrote: Now all-of-the-sudden MySQL 5 is marked -amd64 so now I must downgrade. Is this intentional? read the changelog, it says: 24 Nov 2005; Jory A. Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] mysql-5.0.15.ebuild, mysql-5.0.16-r3.ebuild: version 5 does not work on clean install -- Simon

Re: [gentoo-dev] my apologies for the mess with this release of MySQL 5.0.16

2005-11-25 Thread Herbie Hopkins
On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 17:32 +0100, Simon Stelling wrote: version 5 does not work on clean install A very descriptive changelog... Any idea what does not work means? . Seems to work pretty well here. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] manpages that requires dependencies

2005-11-25 Thread Michael Cummings
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: man pages can't be considered optional (despite what RMS says). They're not fancy extra HTML API documentation, they're core, so they don't get a USE flag. (not advocating a USE flag bug...) what about when the man pages are a duplication of the native documentation?

Re: [gentoo-dev] my apologies for the mess with this release of MySQL 5.0.16

2005-11-25 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 17:32 +0100, Simon Stelling wrote: Albert Hopkins wrote: Now all-of-the-sudden MySQL 5 is marked -amd64 so now I must downgrade. Is this intentional? read the changelog, it says: 24 Nov 2005; Jory A. Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] mysql-5.0.15.ebuild,

Re: [gentoo-dev] manpages that requires dependencies

2005-11-25 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Friday 25 November 2005 08:58, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Of course, if FEATURES were in the USE expand list, you could use ! features_noman ? ( ) ... All the way up until FEATURES=noman is changed to FEATURES=man... -- Jason Stubbs -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] my apologies for the mess with this release of MySQL 5.0.16

2005-11-25 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Albert Hopkins wrote: Is there a guide or something on how to downgrade from version 5 to 4? I'm assuming that I can't just point 4 to my database files and expect them to work. Also why did it take so long to determine that 5 does not work? I've been running 5 on amd64 systems since 21

Re: [gentoo-dev] my apologies for the mess with this release of MySQL 5.0.16

2005-11-25 Thread Francesco R.
Problem fixed, going to readd ~amd64 now, sync again in 30 min. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] my apologies for the mess with this release of MySQL 5.0.16

2005-11-25 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 10:51 -0600, Andrew Gaffney wrote: Or you can just unmask it locally and stop whining. I think users have a valid reason to be concerned about this, but if that is the developer's intention (to unmask it locally) then may I suggest this information be provided somehow to

Re: [gentoo-dev] manpages that requires dependencies

2005-11-25 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 12:46:54PM +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:49:23 +0100 Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten?? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Hi everybody, a little question that I'd like to be answered (so that | we can make it a sort of rule). | How should

Re: [gentoo-dev] my apologies for the mess with this release of MySQL 5.0.16

2005-11-25 Thread Alin Nastac
Herbie Hopkins wrote: On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 17:32 +0100, Simon Stelling wrote: version 5 does not work on clean install A very descriptive changelog... Any idea what does not work means? . Seems to work pretty well here. same here. anyway, a dev-db/mysql-5 in

Re: [gentoo-dev] enewuser/enewgroup getting their own eclass

2005-11-25 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Fri, Nov 25, 2005 at 09:24:44AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 19:34 +, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 08:54:41AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 03:44 +, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 01:15:52PM -0500,

[gentoo-dev] Re: manpages that requires dependencies

2005-11-25 Thread Duncan
Jason Stubbs posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:52:17 +0900: All the way up until FEATURES=noman is changed to FEATURES=man... LOL! I knew a guy that had the /reverse/ of that operation done! -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree

Re: [gentoo-dev] manpages that requires dependencies

2005-11-25 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:43:23 -0500 Michael Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh wrote: |man pages can't be considered optional (despite what RMS says). |They're | not fancy extra HTML API documentation, they're core, so they don't | get a USE flag. | | (not advocating a

[gentoo-dev] RFC: emerge =net-dialup/ppp-2.4.3-r10 will fail requesting for user action

2005-11-25 Thread Alin Nastac
Hi all, I plan to release a new version of net-dialup/ppp that will add support for the pppd net module found in sys-apps/baselayout-/baselayout-1.12.0_pre11. This version, however, cannot work with the old /etc/init.d/net.ppp0, hence I plan to die in pkg_setup with following messages: *

Re: [gentoo-dev] Update of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org

2005-11-25 Thread Ingo Bormuth
On 2005-11-25 15:46, kang wrote: This whole thing give me some idea. Now, it changes the design a bit and probably no one will listen, but, what if thoses purple boxes where to be replaced by the bottom link stuff ;) The bottom links which are hard to see or notice (cause they're at the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Update of http://wwwredesign.gentoo.org

2005-11-25 Thread Matti Bickel
Ingo Bormuth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2005-11-25 15:46, kang wrote: This whole thing give me some idea. Now, it changes the design a bit and probably no one will listen, but, what if thoses purple boxes where to be replaced by the bottom link stuff ;) The bottom links which are

[gentoo-dev] Re: aging ebuilds with unstable keywords

2005-11-25 Thread R Hill
Andrej Kacian wrote: On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:39:43 -0600 R Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * if ebuild installs COPYING and/or INSTALL into doc. Is this actually important? There are a hell of a lot of ebuilds that fail under this rule. I'd like to start filing patches for some of the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multi hash support in portage - status

2005-11-25 Thread Marius Mauch
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 01:04:32 +0100 Marius Mauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you rather have now the ability to create multi-hash digests and Manifests with the result of a short and mid-term larger portage tree (in the long term the format will be phased out hopefully) or rather wait for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multi hash support in portage - status

2005-11-25 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Saturday 26 November 2005 11:12, Marius Mauch wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 01:04:32 +0100 Marius Mauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you rather have now the ability to create multi-hash digests and Manifests with the result of a short and mid-term larger portage tree (in the long term

[gentoo-dev] Last rites for dev-libs/luabind

2005-11-25 Thread Mark Loeser
If no one steps up to maintain it, luabind will be removed from the tree in 2 weeks. It has not had an upstream release since 2003 and is broken with newer versions of boost, =1.32. Nothing in the tree deps on it, so there shouldn't be any problems with its removal. Thanks, Mark

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Help with KDE Arts

2005-11-25 Thread Marius Mauch
Robert wrote: Hey, for some reason I cannot seem to install arts (KDE). Try asking that on the gentooo-user list, it has nothing to do with portage development. Marius -- gentoo-portage-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-portage-dev] .53, .54 and beyond...

2005-11-25 Thread Jason Stubbs
Hi all, I don't think there's really anything else that can be done for 2.0.53 so am thinking that we should probably push _rc7 + docs out and let the arch teams mark it stable when they're ready (or stick with 2.0.51.22-r3 if it pleaseth them). We should put out a 2.0.54_pre1 out soon after

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] .53, .54 and beyond...

2005-11-25 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Saturday 26 November 2005 00:31, Ned Ludd wrote: On Sat, 2005-11-26 at 00:01 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: Hi all, I don't think there's really anything else that can be done for 2.0.53 so am thinking that we should probably push _rc7 + docs out and let the arch teams mark it stable

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] .53, .54 and beyond...

2005-11-25 Thread Ned Ludd
On Sat, 2005-11-26 at 00:51 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Saturday 26 November 2005 00:31, Ned Ludd wrote: On Sat, 2005-11-26 at 00:01 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: Hi all, I don't think there's really anything else that can be done for 2.0.53 so am thinking that we should probably

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] .53, .54 and beyond...

2005-11-25 Thread Ned Ludd
On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 21:00 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:05:57 -0500 Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Programs such as revdep-rebuild, verify-rdepend would be able to make | immediate use. A little bit of a longer term goal is to see portage | gain the ability to

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] .53, .54 and beyond...

2005-11-25 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
[ Apologies if two of these show up. I kinda, uh, broke Exim slightly... ] On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:41:19 -0500 Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 21:00 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | How will that work for packages that have a runtime dependency upon | a text file

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] .53, .54 and beyond...

2005-11-25 Thread Ned Ludd
On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 22:02 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:41:19 -0500 Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 21:00 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | How will that work for packages that have a runtime dependency upon | a text file supplied by a

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] .53, .54 and beyond...

2005-11-25 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:49:50 -0500 Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Yeah that's what we want, We intend to create tools that leave systems | broken. You want to be the first tester? Please take your spin of | things off of this and look at it for what it is. Your not going to | use a feature

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] .53, .54 and beyond...

2005-11-25 Thread Ned Ludd
On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 23:10 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:49:50 -0500 Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Yeah that's what we want, We intend to create tools that leave systems | broken. You want to be the first tester? Please take your spin of | things off of this and

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] .53, .54 and beyond...

2005-11-25 Thread Ned Ludd
On Fri, 2005-11-25 at 23:53 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:48:41 -0500 Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | What the hell are you talking about? No tools have even been | created yet. Nobody builds tools before the framework is in place. The | ability to make use of

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] .53, .54 and beyond...

2005-11-25 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:00:07 -0500 Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Why introduce a feature which is crippled? It would be almost as | easy to allow ebuilds to mess with their 'real' runtime dependency | value as appropriate rather than forcing an incorrect | auto-generated list onto

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Re: Bugzilla Bug 112779: New and Improved Way to Handle /etc/portage

2005-11-25 Thread Marius Mauch
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:30:15 +0200 Marius Mauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Gorecki wrote: On Wednesday, November 16, 2005 23:12, Zac Medico wrote: I wouldn't mind having a feature like this. I would provide a way for automatic unmasking tools to keep their changes separate

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] .53, .54 and beyond...

2005-11-25 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:00:07 -0500 Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Why introduce a feature which is crippled? It would be almost as | easy to allow ebuilds to mess with their 'real' runtime dependency | value as

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] .53, .54 and beyond...

2005-11-25 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:42:14 -0500 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:00:07 -0500 Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] | wrote: | | Why introduce a feature which is crippled? It would be almost as | | easy to allow ebuilds to mess with their 'real'

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] .53, .54 and beyond...

2005-11-25 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:42:14 -0500 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:00:07 -0500 Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] | wrote: | | Why introduce a feature which is crippled?

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] .53, .54 and beyond...

2005-11-25 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:01:15 +0900 Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I don't think there's really anything else that can be done for 2.0.53 so am thinking that we should probably push _rc7 + docs out and let the arch teams mark it stable when they're ready (or stick with

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] .53, .54 and beyond...

2005-11-25 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Saturday 26 November 2005 11:07, Marius Mauch wrote: On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:01:15 +0900 Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only other new thing in trunk that I know of is logging but there's still a question mark over the ordering of messages... Can that be resolved soon?

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] .53, .54 and beyond...

2005-11-25 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Saturday 26 November 2005 02:05, Ned Ludd wrote: On Sat, 2005-11-26 at 00:51 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Saturday 26 November 2005 00:31, Ned Ludd wrote: * post_sync action hook (.53/.54 ) * VDB prevention of single byte NULL entries being created. ( .54 ) Doable for .54. Yeah

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] .53, .54 and beyond...

2005-11-25 Thread Ned Ludd
On Sat, 2005-11-26 at 13:15 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: [snip stuff] Need to head to bed now. Will respond to other parts tomorrow. A little bit of a longer term goal is to see portage gain the ability to request to only use RRDEPEND entries to be used for depgraph creation for use with