[gentoo-dev] Welcome Back, Cummings

2005-11-07 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Hi Everyone, So GWN was a littel early, but I did announce my intentions on -core on Friday, that I would be speeding mcummings back through the recruitment process. As you all know, mcummings has been _the_ perl man for gentoo for years now. He basically started the perl team and developed the

[gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Meeting Summary (20051115)

2005-11-16 Thread Seemant Kulleen
og is in CVS, please see: http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/xml/htdocs/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20051115.txt?root=gentoo&rev=1.1&view=markup Thanks, Seemant Kulleen -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] New Staffer: Christel Dahlskjaer

2006-03-13 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Dear All, It gives me great pleasure to introduce to you Christel Dahlskjaer, the newest member of the Gentoo Staff. Christel joins our User Relations project [1] to help bring it back up to speed (it has languished for a little while). She basically wowed a bunch of us in the past few weeks wi

[gentoo-dev] Christel part 2

2006-03-13 Thread Seemant Kulleen
1. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/user-relations/index.xml -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Council Meeting logs 20060309

2006-03-16 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Dear All, I've attached the council meeting logs thanks to my proxy dsd. I have updated the council project page to add them there and to add a summary of the events. I suppose when that thar www refreshes itself on the internets, the new content will show up. Meanwhile...enjoy :) Thanks, Se

[gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-26 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Hi All, Consider this both a rant and a GLEP pre-proposal. When we created the idea of herds back in the day, there was a clear distinction between a herd and a team (and a project). Over time, those definitions have become blurry. I would like emphasise: A herd is a group of like *packages*

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-26 Thread Seemant Kulleen
> Is there a reason for this besides the definitions not falling into > place as they should? I'm not seeing a benefit from this to be honest. > People refer to teams as herds a lot of the time. It has become a > statement over time that people understand. I'm not sure why we want to > try and c

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Last Rites ipkg-utils]

2006-06-07 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Hi All, Just to let you know: ipkg-utils' last rites have been postponed indefinitely. James Rowe and I will be maintaining it from here on in. Thanks James! Thanks all, Seemant -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] embedded overlay on overlays.gentoo.org

2006-06-17 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 18:04 +0200, Stefan Schweizer wrote: > Hi, > solar has requested an account on overlays.gentoo.org for the embedded > overlay for you. > Your password: DX7wnSe40Y > > Kind regards, > Stefan > Was the list the intended recipient of this? -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing li

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Seemant Kulleen
First of all, I'm not sure why devrel was involved in a technical decision without actually having all the interested parties there, but aside from that, when Gentoo developers become a bunch of 5 year olds? What is this absolute nonsense of "you don't like my toy, you can't have your toy" going o

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 15:09 +0200, Harald van Dijk wrote: > You're suggesting jakub maybe shouldn't even be a Gentoo dev because he > *doesn't* give one unofficial overlay special treatment over another? The jave "unofficial" overlay is well on its way to becoming an official and officially hosted

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Also, just so I'm clear on my stance on this: I don't care one whit about whether those keywords are used in bugzilla or not. Keywords are a way to help bugzilla users use bugzilla. As for perceptions about it -- as long sunrise is clear on their pages that they are absolutely not official as of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla usage for overlays' projects [was: sunrise, a temporary compromise]

2006-06-23 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 18:07 +0200, Harald van Dijk wrote: > On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 11:11:15AM -0400, Seemant Kulleen wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 15:09 +0200, Harald van Dijk wrote: > > > You're suggesting jakub maybe shouldn't even be a Gentoo dev because he > &g

Re: [gentoo-dev] sunrise, a temporary compromise

2006-06-23 Thread Seemant Kulleen
I've been thinking about Solar's email. I believe Solar is actually very correct in his assessment. I think I'll recant my initial statement about devrel. To KingTaco and the gang: my apologies, you guys did the right thing at the time. Thanks, Seemant -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Future developer

2006-06-30 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Paul, Congratulations! What did you and your wife name him? When exactly was he born, etc? Give us details!! :) -- Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Foundation / Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007

2006-07-04 Thread Seemant Kulleen
I'd like to nominate: SpanKY/vapier azarah solar Kugelfang Mr_Bones_ dsd_ Thanks, -- Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Foundation / Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007

2006-07-06 Thread Seemant Kulleen
ther. This project needs some leadership, as the events of the past few months show fairly clearly. Thanks for listening, -- Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Foundation / Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation (was: Project Sunrise resumed)

2006-07-30 Thread Seemant Kulleen
le. Not ad hominem or any sort of emotional crap -- just the facts, please. Thanks, -- Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Foundation / Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation (was: Project Sunrise resumed)

2006-07-30 Thread Seemant Kulleen
l "I'm taking toys, because I don't like them" way, without actually raising any issues that he was against, other than a nebulous concern about QA. Show me at least that concern being concrete and we have a starting place. -- Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Foundation / Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation (was: Project Sunrise resumed)

2006-07-30 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 04:06 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:50:31 -0400 Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | Show me at least that concern being concrete and we have a > | starting place. > > -!- [Users #gentoo-sunrise] > -!- @

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation (was: Project Sunrise resumed)

2006-07-30 Thread Seemant Kulleen
OK wait, on your servers, are you actually planning to *use* any of the ebuilds in Sunrise's overlay? If not, how is it a concern? I personally don't use any of them, and my system is running perfectly fine. Let's not forget that nobody is shoving Sunrise down anyone's thro

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation (was: Project Sunrise resumed)

2006-07-30 Thread Seemant Kulleen
rd feelings on > my part. It's an exchange of ideas, there shouldn't be hard feelings on anyone's part. -- Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Foundation / Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation (was: Project Sunrise resumed)

2006-07-30 Thread Seemant Kulleen
ebuilds, what makes you think four > people can? I think, again, people are not looking at Sunrise as a training ground. It's better to start teaching people QA, and doing so in an active rather than a passive medium. Again, I haven't yet seen a reason to kill Sunrise. -- Seeman

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-07-30 Thread Seemant Kulleen
at problem. You've claimed several times that you just try to stick to technical, so please put a stop to the "look, but it's *them* doing it, how can you trust those people?" bullshit already. -- Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Foundation / Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-07-30 Thread Seemant Kulleen
questions I asked that you completely removed from your reply. Please answer those as well. -- Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Foundation / Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-07-30 Thread Seemant Kulleen
please explain how you came to see sunrise as the wrong solution to that problem. Note, that nowhere did I aske what the right solution is. Please be so kind as to actually *read* what others are saying to you, instead of presuming. -- Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Foundation / Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] SpanKY's Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2007

2006-07-31 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Thanks for the nomination SpanKY :) I'll decline this time around, to make room for fresh minds. Thanks, -- Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Foundation / Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk1 vs. gtk2

2006-08-07 Thread Seemant Kulleen
/guessing? -- Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Foundation / Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo-Status

2006-08-21 Thread Seemant Kulleen
;m curious about is the council -- the council posts to -dev before and after every meeting (and puts meeting logs up on the website within days of a meeting). I suppose the webpage itself could be updated, but I'm unsure what else the council can do. Perhaps you have some ideas? Thanks! --

[gentoo-dev] Trustees Announcement

2006-09-05 Thread Seemant Kulleen
d, however, only 5 people were nominated. Thus, they formed the new board: I present to you, then, the new Board of Trustees: Chris Gianelloni (wolf31o2) Grant Goodyear (g2boojum) Stuart Herbert (stuart) Seemant Kulleen (seemant) Renat Lumpau (rl03) We will schedule the first Board Meeting for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Trustees Announcement

2006-09-05 Thread Seemant Kulleen
There wasn't a vote, since the number of nominations equalled the number of candidates. There was a thread on gentoo-core mailing list with the nominees, and the movement seemed to be toward simply accepting the nominees as trustees. Thanks, -- Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [gentoo-dev] Trustees Announcement

2006-09-05 Thread Seemant Kulleen
can rile up the people to rise up and demand this, or something, you'll definitely impress with me :) -- Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Foundation / Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for www-apps/drupal

2006-09-11 Thread Seemant Kulleen
n are you going to get over it? All he did was try and redirect where complaints should go. Stop being such a drama queen, jeez. -- Seemant Kulleen Trustee, Gentoo Foundation Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Results now more official

2006-09-11 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Congratulations to the new council. I hope for a lot of progress this year outta you guys :) Thanks, -- Seemant Kulleen Trustee, Gentoo Foundation Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Do we really need to mire it in bureaucracy? I'm honestly asking. -- Seemant Kulleen Trustee, Gentoo Foundation Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Seemant Kulleen
rring to Ciaran here), and then something against the things that are solved with that, and on and on ad nauseum. And quite honestly, at this point, it is nauseating. Get over yourselves. -- Seemant Kulleen Trustee, Gentoo Foundation Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Delay in approval of new developers

2006-09-22 Thread Seemant Kulleen
t (and a lot more closed). For starters, there would actually be a leadership situation in place. You can argue that Gentoo *began* its life as a business, but the past three years have been far removed from that paradigm. Thanks, -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Delay in approval of new developers

2006-09-22 Thread Seemant Kulleen
, in my opinion. Thanks, -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Gentoo/Accessibility Project

2006-09-22 Thread Seemant Kulleen
iling alias, the herds.xml list and the project page to make WilliamH officially the Team Lead for the project. If anyone is interested in helping him out please feel free to email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Fwd: [gentoo-perl] Candidates for removal from dev-perl]

2006-10-01 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Sun, 2006-10-01 at 15:48 +0200, Jakub Moc wrote: > Michael Cummings wrote: > > > Geo-IP > > Can you please leave this one, it's rather useful :) What's its use? Furthermore, does its used get decreased through the employment of g-cpan to install it? Thanks, -

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo World Domination. a 10 step guide

2006-10-05 Thread Seemant Kulleen
x27;s statement. I think it's perfectly fine to think about pruning/thinning out Gentoo to its core, but first we have to actually decide what its core actually is. Hint: majority architectures are *not*. Gentoo, at heart, is a meta-distribution, and all that that implies. Thanks, -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Alexis Ballier (aballier)

2006-10-09 Thread Seemant Kulleen
;Mar-Say" place is in Freedomia. So welcome to our newest Freedom-man. Thanks, -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-10 Thread Seemant Kulleen
s do what they do because, at its root, that's what they *want* to do -- that's how they exercise their own empowerment. Feel free to join in the fray and exercise your own :) Thanks, -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Spider's Resignation from the Project

2006-10-12 Thread Seemant Kulleen
authored by me will be treated the same way. (No, I never signed a copyright transfer to the project) So long, thanks for all the fish. And, remember. Give the kids in the back something to do and they will stop bickering. -- begin .signature .. signature .. end --- END -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resurrecting "Project Dolphin"

2006-10-14 Thread Seemant Kulleen
. At that > point there was no qmerge either) > FEATURES="nodoc noinfo noman" should solve at least some of those issues, I should think. -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Thanks

2006-10-21 Thread Seemant Kulleen
time :) Finally, thanks to all those who stepped up as nominees. Thanks, -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] New Trustees - My Resignation

2006-10-23 Thread Seemant Kulleen
or, I suppose). Thanks, -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Only you can prevent broken portage trees

2006-10-31 Thread Seemant Kulleen
drive us back home, I'm not kidding! And give me some of that popcorn. -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement

2006-11-03 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Wow, this retirement f*cks me up some, I have to say. I'll give you a better send off on the planet blogs, because for now I'm still reeling from the news. I'll miss you, that's for sure. -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for November

2006-11-06 Thread Seemant Kulleen
like Office Space, only it isn't as funny. I'll play the bald Indian guy though. -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for November

2006-11-06 Thread Seemant Kulleen
stop being ridiculous, Council: if you're not going to actually listen to the people who voted for you without talking down to them, then, er, why exactly, did you run? -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for November

2006-11-07 Thread Seemant Kulleen
l sign your > emails with [EMAIL PROTECTED], which i personally find at least as > annoying as you find klie^WSPF. Silly silly, and it doesn't belong on the list. Please don't be part of the problem. -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for November

2006-11-08 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Kurt, Thanks for expressing your reasons properly on the list and in the text file on your d.g.o home. It's certainly gone a long way to my own understanding of your reasoning. Thanks, -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME 1.x and GNOME 1.x dependent package masking

2006-11-08 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Saleem & Gnome Team, I think it's high time this was done. My suggestion would be to publicise this *beyond* just the gentoo-dev list. I would put this on -user and in the forums (and one of you should probably blog before the fact as well). Thanks, -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gen

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Versioning the tree

2006-11-29 Thread Seemant Kulleen
e) mails arrived at different times. I saw responses before the parent message in a few sub-threads, today. Enough with the bashing (there's an irony to your own stuart bashing above), already. -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages for grabs

2007-01-01 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Betelgeuse, I'll take sqlite if you and I can co-maintain it. Thanks, -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-core] Re: [gentoo-dev] bugs.gentoo.org migration - completed! -THANKYOU

2007-01-07 Thread Seemant Kulleen
I was amazed this morning when I clicked on a bug link in my email, and then clicked over to the browser. The bug page had (gasp!) *already loaded*!! That's amazing, I've never seen our bugzilla do that ever. Thanks infra, corey and GNi -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux

Re: OT - "Good skills" (WAS: Re: [gentoo-dev] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo)

2007-01-07 Thread Seemant Kulleen
*where* gentoo needs help. We need help to maintain stuff already in the tree, so start at maintainer-needed or drill into some specific teams (gnome, pam, kerberos, kde, bsd, samba, mail, web-apps, there's a list of herds somewhere). Spread the word! Thanks, -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Marijn Schouten (hkBst)

2007-01-10 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Welcome on board, Marijn, I'm looking forward to doing the gnucash bumps with you soon :) -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Some sync control

2007-01-11 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 14:08 -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > However, for several reasons this is not yet feasible, and furthermore Just for the sake of completeness can you outline those reasons? Thanks, -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Some sync control

2007-01-11 Thread Seemant Kulleen
changes? I only have experience with cvs and svn, not git or bzr or any of the other stuff that's out there, so I honestly do not know what their models and workflows are. So from my own uneducated stance, svn wouldn't be a workflow issue at all for most things, no? Thanks, -- Seemant

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Maintainer Timeout

2007-02-02 Thread Seemant Kulleen
and most apropos response in this entire thread. I can only echo your feelings on it (and I would hope that those who've interacted with me know that). -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Network configuration and bash

2007-02-06 Thread Seemant Kulleen
grade cycle wouldn't change much in functionality based on config, which is pretty good (ie, backwards compatibility). In this case, I'm not sure legacy is all that bad, simply because it's expressive and concise and easily understood :) thanks, -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gent

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-04 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Sat, 2007-03-03 at 07:32 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > I'm also curious as to why people should be expected to assign > copyright to a group that is known for licence violations and removing > attribution from documents. How does this protect anything? Yeah, you cry foul when people paint you

Re: [gentoo-dev] New eclass: gkrellm-plugin

2007-03-08 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 20:02 +0200, Petteri Räty wrote: > How useful is the X use flag in gkrellm? Just thinking if it would be > better to just remove the use flag and always build that code. > > Regards, > Petteri > Back in the day, when gkrellm2 first came out, they had this option of buildin

Re: [gentoo-dev] stop using $IMAGE

2007-03-09 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 12:03 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > portage has been doing the right thing with $D in pkg_* functions and IMAGE > is > just an annoying nuance that most people screw up > > so in your pkg_* functions, use $D, not $IMAGE, to refer to the temporary > install > -mike Good t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: gentoo-dev vs lkml?

2007-03-15 Thread Seemant Kulleen
OK, you three. Knock it off. Right now. This is exactly the sort of utter nonsense that we've been talking about viz. what's going on on this mailing list. There is no excuse to be an asshole, Stephen, because in doing so (even as a retaliation) renders your own point null and void. It's one th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: gentoo-dev vs lkml?

2007-03-15 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 16:38 +, George Prowse wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:44:37 + George Prowse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > You miss the point. This was not the first time a resignation stunt had > > been pulled by that developer, and previously ano

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo's problems

2007-03-15 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 18:40 +0100, Jakob Buchgraber wrote: > > > So why don't you start rewriting, refactoring and improving the portage > source? It definitely doesn't make sense to create a competing package > management system. How is this useful, honestly? Ciaran's exercising his streng

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: gentoo-dev vs lkml?

2007-03-15 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Both of you please stop this thread right here. It's getting nobody anywhere. Thanks, seemant signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] My turn to wear the cursed medalion of retirement

2007-03-18 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Hi Alexandre, Good luck in your new life. My only comment is that I think you copped out by not submitting your proposals for any sort of peer review. You succumbed to the possibility (that you seem to think is more of a probability -- you may be right, I don't know) that it would not be receive

Re: [gentoo-dev] About testing applications

2007-03-18 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 03:38 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > what is the problem as you see it ? the nice thing about having a ~/.config/ > is that it's a directory that can obviously be added to backups or sync > programs for keeping $HOME the same across multiple machines ... you dont > have to

Re: [gentoo-dev] [last rites] virtual/x11

2007-03-25 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 03:21 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Well, if it's reached the "take drastic action" stage (which, let's > face it, it has at this point), why not go and fix the tree? It's a > better solution than breaking it, and anyone who moans now isn't going > to get any sympathy from a

Re: [gentoo-dev] [last rites] virtual/x11

2007-03-26 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Mon, 2007-03-26 at 15:38 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:07:03 -0400 > Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ciaran has brought attention to a very important thing -- QA seems to > > take a backseat to a few things, and it is actually a li

Re: [gentoo-dev] New ALSA maintainers

2007-03-28 Thread Seemant Kulleen
So, maybe this is a boneheadedly obvious thing, but having just spoken with Daniel about this, I'll just summarise my findings. I, for one, was always using alsa-driver for my new Dell laptop. As it turns out, Dan has the identical laptop, but he's always been using the in-kernel driver. I alway

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-29 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 03:07 +0530, Anant Narayanan wrote: > Sure it's not ideal and I acknowledge that. But portage is tied very > closely to Gentoo for historical reasons, and it is not reasonable to > expect an alternate package manager to replace it (not in the near > future atleast). Hi

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-29 Thread Seemant Kulleen
> I fail to understand why the portage developers would refuse to > accept a patch that actually improves something (without causing > major regressions i.e.). If they do refuse such a patch (for > political reasons), then we have a serious problem. However, based on > past experience with

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-30 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 20:42 +0200, Matthias Langer wrote: > > i don't think that personal issues should be taken into account when it > comes to choosing a new official package manager for gentoo. It's relevant in that people have to work with the developers of the package manager. Unlike most

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-30 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 22:22 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Paludis is a package manager, not a distribution. And no, the GPL does > not mean there's nothing to lose -- the Zynot fork did a fair bit of > damage to Gentoo, and no-one wants a repeat of that mess... Only in terms of morale. In fact

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-30 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 23:41 +0200, Danny van Dyk wrote: > > In which case your Paludis fork of Gentoo will take off like a > Please, pretty please with sugar atop: Stop this FUD about forking > Gentoo. Paludis is not a fork of Gentoo, it's new package manager. The > relation between Portage and

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-30 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 14:53 +1200, Christopher Sawtell wrote: > Correct, because the only way Ciaran can prove beyond doubt that his Paludis > is a viable option is to see hundreds, nay millions, of people using it. I'm > quite sure that he won't achieve that goal by bleating in here as frequent

Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-31 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 20:16 +0200, Andrej Kacian wrote: > On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:02:28 +0200 > "Christopher Covington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The first condition you list is a sort of nativism that I for one > > would expect not to find in a successful copyleft project created on > > the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [soc] Python bindings for Paludis

2007-03-31 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Sat, 2007-03-31 at 23:39 +0100, Steve Long wrote: > Seemant Kulleen wrote: > > That's uncalled for. There's no need to get nasty. > > I applaud your intent, but feel it would have far more effect on the > atmosphere if applied to a few of your devs, rather than use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Flourish Conference Reminder

2007-04-01 Thread Seemant Kulleen
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Flourish Conference Reminder

2007-04-04 Thread Seemant Kulleen
All, Please except my apologies for the strong language in my initial response to this. I've been informed that Samir is the real deal and not just a marketing droid. The things that set me off were: 1. Cross posting the same message to a bunch of different mailing lists 2. The HTML formatting

Re: [gentoo-dev] Flourish Conference Reminder

2007-04-05 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 09:16 +0100, Charlie Shepherd wrote: > On 04/04/07, Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Please except my apologies > > I don't know about excepting them. I might accept them though. :) Nice catch. My language skills are degrading

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April

2007-04-05 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 13:29 +0200, Denis Dupeyron wrote: > Why not simply allow trustees to veto a council decision ? This does > not give trustees enough power to be a second council, but would > permit them to stop something that they believe will damage Gentoo. > This is very little red tape IMH

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tears of unfathomable sorrow

2007-04-07 Thread Seemant Kulleen
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Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANN] Multiple version suffixes illegal in gentoo-x86

2007-04-24 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 13:39 -0700, Ned Ludd wrote: > You might be overreacting a little here. To bring you up to speed > vapier actually filed the original bug for this after I first noticed > one of these atoms creeping into the tree while doing pre release atom > compare testing for portage-util

Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANN] Multiple version suffixes illegal in gentoo-x86

2007-04-24 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Hi Danny, > Look at it from my POV. I only knew about the alsa version at first. > I knew it was removed already. Then i learned about mplayer. Ok... i can > live with that as long as nothing else in there. Then I learned about > transcode and I asked my fellow Council members to cut it. I'm no

Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANN] Multiple version suffixes illegal in gentoo-x86

2007-04-24 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 19:31 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > It seems that every time I open my email client, somebody out there is > trying to say that by the Council using the powers afforded to them that > somehow they're conspiring to take down Gentoo. Yeah... because that's > just what the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANN] Multiple version suffixes illegal in gentoo-x86

2007-04-24 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 00:30 +0200, Danny van Dyk wrote: > In my eyes it was a policy issue. Tree-wide policies have to pass the > council in one form or the other. So why shouldn't Council care here? My argument is not that Council should not care. My question is: what's the big urgency to rush

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites sys-apps/855resolution

2007-05-10 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 00:33 +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: > Hello All, > > sys-apps/915resolution superseed this package and support 855 configurations. > > Please upgrade your configuration to sys-apps/915resolution. > > Comments/suggestions can be entered at bug#159586. > > Package will be maske

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for June

2007-06-02 Thread Seemant Kulleen
Is the council planning on replacing the two missing members (Flameeyes and Kloeri)? Thanks, Seemant signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for June

2007-06-02 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Sat, 2007-06-02 at 20:18 -0700, Mike Doty wrote: > uberlord replaced flameeyes the month after he left. duh @ me, sorry about that. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-18 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 23:49 +0100, Steve Long wrote: > Oh I see, when it's > stuff *you* care about, it's development. Cool. That's sort of the point, isn't it? Developers are here mostly to scratch their own respective itches -- so, by necessity, we talk about stuff we care about. signature.a

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2007-06-21 Thread Seemant Kulleen
FWIW, I like this idea a lot. A lot of devs would rather just read the good stuff happening in -dev and discard the other 85%. I vote yes. Thanks, Seemant signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Watch out for license changes to GPL-3.

2007-07-08 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 13:50 +0200, Wulf C. Krueger wrote: > On Sunday, 08. July 2007 13:04:24 Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote: > > What about moving Gentoo stuff to `GPLv3 or later'? > > I'm strongly opposed to the "or later" part for the simple reason that > this implicates we will agree with stuf

Re: [gentoo-dev] Watch out for license changes to GPL-3.

2007-07-08 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 16:46 +0200, Dominique Michel wrote: > I personally think at gpl-3 is better as gpl-2 because GPLv3 will block > tivoization. Tivoization means computers (called “appliances”) contain > GPL-covered software that you can't change, because the appliance shuts down > if > it de

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Watch out for license changes to GPL-3.

2007-07-12 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 20:07 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Unless there are third party repositories shipping their own > from-scratch ebuilds... In which case, afaics there's nothing to stop > *them* from going GPL-3 if they think there's a reason to do so. Unless > the Foundation somehow claims

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