Re: [gentoo-ppc-user] Compile error on IDE Power Mac driver
Matti Bickel a écrit le 11/11/2005 Charles Trois [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mounting /dev for udev The mount command failed with error: wrong fstype, bad option, bad superblock on udev, or too many mounted file systems Please check if you compiled support for tmpfs in your kernel. The option is CONFIG_TMPFS. Do NOT make this a module. This is kinda wild guess, but it sounds like you're missing kernel-support. Sorry for this late answer. Your guess was quite right and enabled me to get over that error. I then met various little problems that I was able to solve, but there remains a (hopefully) last one. The new error message is: Problem starting needed services netmount was not started. /etc/init.d/netmount start gives the same error. eth0 is not brought up and ifconfig lists only lo. What have I done wrong? Charles -- gentoo-ppc-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] PostgreSQL Interfaces
2005/11/21, Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am looking for a GUI interface to PostgreSQL and have found several open source ones available. I'd like some comments on what others use and the good, bad, and ugly of what you use. Thanks. I'm using pgadmin3 under Windows, and I've been happy so far Jose -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6.14.2 and problem with ACPI (lost interrupt)
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 00:01:20 +, b.n. wrote The message is: hdc: lost interrupt irq 15: nobody cared (try booting with the irqpool option) Have you tried booting with the irqpool option as the messages say (whatever the irqpool option is)? Yes, I did. But I've made a mistake, the option is irqpoll not irqpool :-\ So I'm sorry about this. With this option there's only once the error message and the system boots. But I want to ask if someone knows why this happen, I want to use swsuspend and ACPI and finally I don't want to lose data. I can't see why something should happen to your data (unless you throw your computer out of the window in anger and frustration...) Anyway... you mean that, if you put the irqpool option, ACPI does not work? m. Too expencive to throw it out of window :-) Well, the ACPI works, and it looks like everything works. I'm googling why this happen (an explanation), but without success :-\ I'm just curious, that's all. Thanks a lot for your help. Pat -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how to save ps file from OpenOffice writer?
Zac Medico wrote: Zhang Weiwu wrote: after a few test it looks obvious OO on gentoo suffer from the samiliar problem as oo on Windows (sorry to mension Windows again). On my gentoo there is only one printer installed on cups that is a LaserJet. Later I discovered all PS files I provided are grayscale, and there is no possibility to switch to color. On one other gentoo computer the PS output is colorful thanks to the color printer installed. This is not perfect but nevertheless I managed to make PS files. I only need to take the ODT file to my another gentoo computer who has color printer and make the PS, this is much simpler then asking Windows user for help. Certainly I could share my color printer. Is there an even better (perfect) way? You shouldn't need a physical printer attached in order to configure a dummy postscript color printer driver for cups. Zac In the beging I am not sure of what port to use for my dummy printer, and there seems no file port like in Windows (kill me if you don't like to hear that word so much). Later I discovered I better install this package: cups-pdf This is a very interesting package: it provide a virtual printer that outputs PDF files. I think no other virtual printer is better then this one, because if you use it and print-to-file it seems to be generating standard PS file with good color at level 3, and if you do not use print-to-file it generate good PDF document. So it works both ways, helps in more situations then other PS printers. this is obviously my recommendation for a dummy printer (point me a better one if you know). -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system clock keeps getting reset to weird times
Benno Schulenberg a écrit : Your hardware clock is supposed to be at UTC? Check with 'grep CLOCK= /etc/conf.d/clock'. Your time zone is correctly set? Check with 'ls -l /etc/localtime'. If those are okay, do: rm /etc/adjtime hwclock --set --utc --date=2005-11-18 21:34 # example time hwclock --hctosys If your hardware clock must be at local time, then replace --utc with --localtime. I too have a clock problem (the time returned by date being one hour fast), and I have been fiddling with hwclock without finding the right way. When I saw the above post, I thought that it gave me the answer, and tried to apply it, but had no success (I used both --utc and --localtime). The legal time, here in France and at this (winter) period, is GMT + 1, as shown correctly by the clock of my iMac, but date keeps returning GMT + 2. Can anyone figure out the solution? Charles -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how to save ps file from OpenOffice writer?
Zhang Weiwu wrote: Zac Medico wrote: Zhang Weiwu wrote: after a few test it looks obvious OO on gentoo suffer from the samiliar problem as oo on Windows (sorry to mension Windows again). On my gentoo there is only one printer installed on cups that is a LaserJet. Later I discovered all PS files I provided are grayscale, and there is no possibility to switch to color. On one other gentoo computer the PS output is colorful thanks to the color printer installed. This is not perfect but nevertheless I managed to make PS files. I only need to take the ODT file to my another gentoo computer who has color printer and make the PS, this is much simpler then asking Windows user for help. Certainly I could share my color printer. Is there an even better (perfect) way? You shouldn't need a physical printer attached in order to configure a dummy postscript color printer driver for cups. Zac In the beging I am not sure of what port to use for my dummy printer, and there seems no file port like in Windows (kill me if you don't like to hear that word so much). Later I discovered I better install this package: cups-pdf This is a very interesting package: it provide a virtual printer that outputs PDF files. I think no other virtual printer is better then this one, because if you use it and print-to-file it seems to be generating standard PS file with good color at level 3, and if you do not use print-to-file it generate good PDF document. So it works both ways, helps in more situations then other PS printers. this is obviously my recommendation for a dummy printer (point me a better one if you know). Just to mension, the PS generic drive used for cups-pdf can print up to 2400dpi. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Console behaviour
Hello! I believe that my console does not work as it ought to. There are two main troubles. First, the text does not move as it gets written. In order to read the result of a command that produces a substantial amount of text in response (such as reboot or ls /etc), I have to switch to another console and back (for instance alt-F2 then alt-F1). Secondly, the cursor is not visible, and, in an editor (such as nano), I have constantly to hunt for it and move it through keystrokes, which is very inconvenient. gpm is installed and works, using the button emulation (this is an iMac), but only to a certain extent: I mean that it does copy-and-paste, but not cut-and-paste. It cannot set the cursor. Is there some sort of configuring to do? or what else? Thanks for hints. Charles -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system clock keeps getting reset to weird times
i am having that same problem also. On 11/21/05, Charles Trois [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benno Schulenberg a écrit : I too have a clock problem (the time returned by date being one hour fast), and I have been fiddling with hwclock without finding the right way. When I saw the above post, I thought that it gave me the answer, and tried to apply it, but had no success (I used both --utc and --localtime). The legal time, here in France and at this (winter) period, is GMT + 1, as shown correctly by the clock of my iMac, but date keeps returning GMT + 2. Can anyone figure out the solution? Charles -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: default stage3 (was : [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?)
WTF.. I'm getting ready to rebuild my gentoo box. I have always did a stage 1 install. i was under the impression that if u used a stage 3 u couldn't muck with your CFLAGS or what not. If I'm forced to use canned binaries I might as well go with FC or Debian.. I've never listened to the Gentoo is dead comments.. but now who knows.. this is just crazy.. who came up with this stupid idea? from the sounds of it certianly not the Gentoo Community! On 11/20/05, A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, Mark Knecht wrote: I will admit that I have a big concern about an upcoming MySQL update that is probably going to break my whole TV network here. Due to my fear I haven't upgraded MySQL and will likely come back ranting myself sometime in December when I'm probably forced to do it. We'll see... I have upgraded MySQL on several servers (two in production) without anyproblems whatsoever...gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: default stage3 (was : [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?)
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:33:01 +0900, Steve B wrote: WTF.. I'm getting ready to rebuild my gentoo box. I have always did a stage 1 install. i was under the impression that if u used a stage 3 u couldn't muck with your CFLAGS or what not. If I'm forced to use canned binaries I might as well go with FC or Debian.. I've never listened to the Gentoo is dead comments.. but now who knows.. this is just crazy.. who came up with this stupid idea? from the sounds of it certianly not the Gentoo Community! If you'd stayed with the original thread instead of hijacking one about MySQL, you'd know that your impression was wrong. You can change everything after a stage 3 install, although you have to be careful when changing CHOST. -- Neil Bothwick Keep your words soft and sweet in case you have to eat them. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: default stage3 (was : [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?)
On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 21:33 +0900, Steve B wrote: WTF.. I'm getting ready to rebuild my gentoo box. I have always did a stage 1 install. i was under the impression that if u used a stage 3 u couldn't muck with your CFLAGS or what not. If I'm forced to use canned binaries I might as well go with FC or Debian.. I've never listened to the Gentoo is dead comments.. but now who knows.. this is just crazy.. who came up with this stupid idea? from the sounds of it certianly not the Gentoo Community! I think you haven't really read the discussions about this topic. As long as you don't edit bootstrap.sh, stage3-emerge sync-adapt make.conf, package.* files etc.-emerge -e world will just have the same effect as a stage1 install but - faster - with fewer pitfalls Regards, Matthias -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: default stage3 (was : [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?)
On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 13:57 +0100, Matthias Langer wrote: On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 21:33 +0900, Steve B wrote: WTF.. I'm getting ready to rebuild my gentoo box. I have always did a stage 1 install. i was under the impression that if u used a stage 3 u couldn't muck with your CFLAGS or what not. The only flag you should not change after a stage 3 install is CHOST. If you downloaded the right stage3 tarball there is no reason to do so unless you are cross-compiling. Note that stage1 is still available, but no longer supported by the handbook, as there is allmost no reason, even for an experienced gentoo-er not to use stage3. If I'm forced to use canned binaries I might as well go with FC or Debian.. I've never listened to the Gentoo is dead comments.. but now who knows.. this is just crazy.. who came up with this stupid idea? from the sounds of it certianly not the Gentoo Community! I think you haven't really read the discussions about this topic. As long as you don't edit bootstrap.sh, stage3-emerge sync-adapt make.conf, package.* files etc.-emerge -e world will just have the same effect as a stage1 install but - faster - with fewer pitfalls Regards, Matthias -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: default stage3 (was : [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?)
On Monday 21 November 2005 13:33, Steve B wrote: WTF.. I'm getting ready to rebuild my gentoo box. I have always did a stage 1 install. i was under the impression that if u used a stage 3 u couldn't muck with your CFLAGS or what not. If I'm forced to use canned binaries I might as well go with FC or Debian.. I've never listened to the Gentoo is dead comments.. but now who knows.. this is just crazy.. who came up with this stupid idea? from the sounds of it certianly not the Gentoo Community! well, it was made, because the idiots are too dumb to read and follow the stage1 instructions. And gentoo needs more idiots, right? Up until now, the installation was a nice filter - but that has weakend now, too. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Init script strangeness.
Hi all,
I have written a simple init script for controlling a wiki, and have
encountered a strange effect:
from the init.d directory, I can start and stop my app just fine with
wiki start and wiki stop resp. However, the stop script complains that
the script has not been started!
rc-status does not list my script, however wiki status shows it as started!
The script is as follows:
=
# Copyright 1999-2005 Gentoo Foundation
# Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
# $Header: $
depend() {
need net
after domainname
}
start() {
ebegin Starting Wiki
start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --background --pidfile
/var/run/antwiki.pid --make-pidfile --exec /srv/wiki/wiki-start
eend $?
}
stop() {
ebegin Stopping Wiki
start-stop-daemon --stop --pidfile /var/run/antwiki.pid --name wiki
wget http://localhost:1234/?shutdown /dev/null
eend $?
}
==
Any ideas?
--
Ant...
--
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Init script strangeness.
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:11:09 +, Anthony Roy wrote: I have written a simple init script for controlling a wiki, and have encountered a strange effect: You don't appear to have #!/sbin/runscript on the first line. -- Neil Bothwick ... I just forgot to increment the counter, Tom said, nonplussed. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Re: [gentoo-user] PostgreSQL Interfaces
Thanks. I'll check that one out. From: Peter Ruskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/11/21 Mon AM 06:05:19 EST To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] PostgreSQL Interfaces On Monday 21 November 2005 04:00, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: I am looking for a GUI interface to PostgreSQL and have found several open source ones available. I'd like some comments on what others use and the good, bad, and ugly of what you use. knoda is my favourite GUI interface. It's actively developed and in portage. -- Peter Gentoo Linux: Portage 2.0.51.22-r3. kernel-2.6.13-gentoo-r5. i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+. gcc(GCC): 3.3.5-20050130. KDE: 3.5 (RC1). Qt: 3.3.4. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system clock keeps getting reset to weird times
On 11/21/05, Charles Trois [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too have a clock problem (the time returned by date being one hour fast), and I have been fiddling with hwclock without finding the right way. When I saw the above post, I thought that it gave me the answer, and tried to apply it, but had no success (I used both --utc and --localtime). The legal time, here in France and at this (winter) period, is GMT + 1, as shown correctly by the clock of my iMac, but date keeps returning GMT + 2. Are you syncing time with an external time server? (run rc-update -s | grep ntp) What timezone does /etc/localtime point to? (it should be a symbolic link pointing to /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Paris) -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: default stage3 (was : [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?)
Hemmann, Volker Armin schreef: On Monday 21 November 2005 13:33, Steve B wrote: WTF.. I'm getting ready to rebuild my gentoo box. I have always did a stage 1 install. i was under the impression that if u used a stage 3 u couldn't muck with your CFLAGS or what not. If I'm forced to use canned binaries I might as well go with FC or Debian.. I've never listened to the Gentoo is dead comments.. but now who knows.. this is just crazy.. who came up with this stupid idea? from the sounds of it certianly not the Gentoo Community! well, it was made, because the idiots are too dumb to read and follow the stage1 instructions. And gentoo needs more idiots, right? Up until now, the installation was a nice filter - but that has weakend now, too. I don't actually agree... the impression I'm getting is that Gentoo has now matured/evolved into a state where filters are no longer necessary (or as necessary as previously). Before now, the Gentoo install was rather fragmented, because all the tools necessary to install Gentoo did not all work, or did not all work as well as they needed to, or did not all work as well as they needed to in combination with each other. In practical market terms, you wouldn't want just everybody installing it-- in order to ensure a good and successful experience for the largest number of people, you would not want to encourage those who were untrained or refused training, since the state of the backend required training for successful use. Those who were turned off by the amount or complexity of the documentation (and/or the length of time the install entailed) would tend naturally to fall away. But once Gentoo is actually installed, it's just as easy to use as anything else. Maybe you have to learn emerge -whatever instead of apt-get whatever, but one is not particularly harder than the other. It was always the install that was hard, not the usage. The evolution/maturation of Gentoo and its associated tools means that in order to install Gentoo you no longer have to carefully pick your way across a minefield (stage 1), but can with confidence stride across a beautiful grassy plain (stage 3). If you then want to turn around and customize that field-- plant some flowers, for example-- you can do that (emerge -e world), or you don't have to. But the point is that if you want to interrupt your journey to whatever was on the other side of that field (use your PC for whatever you planned to do with the system, instead of suffering to install the system in the first place) you now have a choice about whether to do that or not. You are not essentially forced to do so by the fact that the minefield was not clear and passage to the other side was not easy or safe and required a great deal of attention. Unbelievable that people are complaining about an improvement in ease-of-use (or in this case, installation). I'd also wonder why Steve B. is installing (again) anyway; one of Gentoo's hallmarks is that you basically install it once and you (almost) never have to do it again. That is of course Steve's business. although if he's going to reinstall, again I must wonder why he would complain that such a reinstall is now likely to be much easier, and lead to a functioning system (from which he can emerge -e world to his heart's content) much faster. But maybe I just have a strange point of view. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Creating RAID devices - udev question
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:19:53 +1100, Brian Parish wrote: Removing the initramfs seemed like the line of least resistance here, so being basically lazy, that's what I did. /dev/md0 is now created and I can create my RAID array happily enough. This still doesn't survive a reboot though. i.e. I have to run the mdadm --create command again. Are the partitions comprising the RAID marked 'Linux raid autodetect' in cfdisk/fdisk? -- Neil Bothwick Scrute the inscrutable; eff the ineffable. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] confused udev?
On 11/20/05, Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 19 Nov 2005, Richard Fish wrote: According to the dmesg output you posted earlier, your memory stick is not partitioned. This is ok, some are, some are not. You can confirm this by taking a look at /proc/partitions when it is inserted, or the output of fdisk -l. So, only getting /dev/plextor_memstick is probably correct, and you should mount that, not plextor_memstick1. I'm out of office for the weekend, so I can't insert the stick and confirm. But the stick is partitioned with a unique partition with vfat. I tried to mount it and mount gave the no such device complaint. But I may be forgetting something. Earlier you posted: usb 1-7: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4 Vendor: PLEXTOR Model: PlexFlash-2 Rev: 5.02 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 00 usb 1-7: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4 usb 1-7: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4 usb 1-7: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4 usb 1-7: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4 usb 1-7: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4 usb 1-7: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4 sdb: Write Protect is on sdb: Mode Sense: 45 00 80 08 sdb: assuming drive cache: write through Attached scsi removable disk sdb at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 usb-storage: device scan complete If the key is partitioned, just before the Attached ... line, you should see a listing of the partitions. For example: usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning Vendor: I-Stick2 Model: IntelligentStick Rev: 2.00 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 ready SCSI device sda: 2047488 512-byte hdwr sectors (1048 MB) sda: Write Protect is off sda: Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00 sda: assuming drive cache: write through SCSI device sda: 2047488 512-byte hdwr sectors (1048 MB) sda: Write Protect is off sda: Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00 sda: assuming drive cache: write through sda: sda1 sda2 Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 usb-storage: device scan complete So if it really is partitioned, we'll have to figure out why the kernel is not seeing your partition table. I would be interested to see the output of 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' with the stick inserted. What about the kernel config? I posted the file as you suggested. Does it look OK? Looks ok to me. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] DNS lookup fails on a server; no changes since it worked
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005, Micah R Ledbetter wrote: I have a server out on the net, and it's been up for a week or two. I've been on and off it all week long, but as of last night, DNS didn't seem to work for it. Network connectivity worked, because not only could I ssh *in*, but I could also contact the outside network as long as I used something in the hosts file or an IP address. Adding more (known good) DNS servers to /etc/resolv.conf doesn't seem to help. DNS was working recently, and I haven't changed anything since then. A reboot didn't help (I would have just stopped started networking... but, well, all I have is ssh, so...). One very weird thing is that it can apparently send mail to outside network addresses. It could send to my gmail account fine last night, though it seemed to take a while (20 minutes or so, when normally it's instantaneous). I don't have gmail or google in my /etc/hosts. I've seen elsewhere to look at the output of iptables, but it has never been installed. The contents of /etc/nsswitch.conf are at http://vlack.com/vlack/lol/ nsswitch.conf. I'm getting nowhere, and I have no idea why. What is /etc/resolv.conf? Are you running a local name server or uses someone else's? If you are using someone else's can you ping them? If you can ping them, install bind-tools and see if you can run direct queries against them with dig or host, something like: dig @xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -t mx gentoo.org where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the IP of the DNS server you are checking. Lots of troubleshooting options here. -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - SSL certificate authorities
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005, kashani wrote: A. Khattri wrote: GeoTrust claim to have their root cert in 99% of the browsers out there... Claims and actually works are two different things. For the record IE 5 on the Mac is your big problem child. IE 5 on Mac is a strange beast in many many ways (wearing my web developer hat now ;-) -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] need to unsubscribe
Hi All, Plan of changing my e-mail address, so will unsubscribe this one and use another (if i get my new router/mail-gateway to work properly). Still no luck. Network-card problems so far (3c59x Realtek-8139) plus one e100. Still have ten days to go. My qrypto.org domain. Alt. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks to all of you.Bye for now. Rumen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[gentoo-user] Kde version
Hi folks ! I upgrade my gentoo every day, and when I try to upgrade the kde, the portage always display the last version of kde as 3.4.1. But newer versions of kde has been launched (3.4.3). What´s the reason of this late version still remains in the portage list ?? -- __Atenciosamente,Thiago Lüttig__
Re: default stage3 (was : [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?)
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: well, it was made, because the idiots are too dumb to read and follow the stage1 instructions. And gentoo needs more idiots, right? Up until now, the installation was a nice filter - but that has weakend now, too. The last top posting/html thread was 3 weeks ago... so yes it's time for another Keep Gentoo leet thread. Gentoo isn't about pain, it's about getting work done. Anything, and I mean *anything*, that allows me to spend less time working and more time having a life is a good thing. Therefore we can deduce that anyone who wants a harder install is a hobbyist, dilettante, and a dabbler. Which is a conclusion just as logical as easier installs bring idiots. I so am tired of this argument that I'm not even going to call anyone a chowderhead this time around. Look at the history/life cycle of any industry or technology. Gentoo is on track to leave the Innovation phase, assuming a few tech problems get fully worked out, and enter the Early Adopter phase. Or maybe the Early Majority phase... you could probably make a case for either. http://marketingsage.net/W2W_Market_Stages.htm Yeah it's marketing speak which doesn't exactly match a project like Gentoo so well, but it's close enough. So rather than keeping out idiots we're keeping out the Early Adopters adopt new ideas early, but carefully. They seek breakthrough advantages. They can be respected opinion leaders. They will invest in creating a complete solution so they may need lots of support. Translate that into they're willing to deal with crappy processes to get the advantages and work to improve the shortcomings. I'll take that sort of idiot any day of the week. kashani -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: default stage3
At Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:13:14 +0100 Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 21 November 2005 13:33, Steve B wrote: WTF.. I'm getting ready to rebuild my gentoo box. I have always did a stage 1 install. i was under the impression that if u used a stage 3 u couldn't muck with your CFLAGS or what not. We have a lot in common in this regard. I also always had done stage1 installs. I also misremembered that CFLAGS couldn't be changed if using stage3. I also posted this mis-remembrance to the present list. As was very politely explained to me: 1. It was CHOST, not CFLAGS. 2. You can (at least now, not sure about previously) actually change CHOST, but must run a utility afterward. 3. If you fiddle with USE flags, /etc/package.* files, etc, you can get the effect of a customized stage1 install by recompiling everything twice. I suspect simply emerge -e world; emerge -e world 3A. Only a few items really need to be compiled the first time. 3B. There are scripts in the forums to do this automatically. Thus, I conclude that, unless you are changing bootstrap.sh (which I never did), you really can get the effect of a stage1 starting with stage3. I would not use the term faster to describe the stage3 equivalent of stage1, especially if you are lazy and do the double emerge -e world. Instead, I would say that there are two advantages to the user 1. You can use your machine for reading/sending mail, browsing the web, etc while all the compilation is proceeding. So the machine is usable sooner, even if the procedure is not faster. 2. You avoid the chance to make the kind of error I did in changed USE flags too aggressively, *too early* in the process. Perhaps more important is that there is one big advantage to the developers and seasoned gentoo experts on this list. 1. Fewer installation errors due to faulty understanding of a stage1 process results in fewer requests for help, requests that likely to the expert seem to all be essentially the same, and do not lead to improvement of the stage1 process. A converted supported of stage3 -- stage1-equivalent installs, allan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] mysql update questions
If you want painless, then don't upgrade to MySQL 5.X when using
MythTV - the DB schema that MythTV uses has a table with a column
named repeat (I believe, I'm not sitting in front of my Myth box),
which, as of MySQL 5.X, is a reserved word, so the Myth back-end setup
won't be able to create that table, which leads to all sorts of
unpleasant Myth-not-working-ness. You can work around this by
modifying the column name that the table creates/uses (haven't done
this myself, don't know how many Myth places you would need to touch,
so not sure how pain{full,less} that would be, but I have seen reports
of others doing it), or you can just not upgrade to 5.X.
Out of curiousity, why are you looking to upgrade MySQL?
-James
On 11/18/05, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
What are my options? This mysql thing has been hanging out for a
long time. I was scared off by two things:
1) I run MythTV which uses mysql. I have a database on my server (this
machine) that I'm worried about losing or messing up.
2) I *think* that if I update this server then I have to update all of
my MythTV frontend boxes also as I've heard that Myth required both
the frontend and the backend to run the same versions.
Does anyone have direct experience with this? I'm sort of worried
about creating problems that take days (or longer) to fix.
Thanks,
Mark
dragonfly ~ # cat /etc/portage/package.mask
x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.12.10
#media-tv/ivtv-0.2.0_rc3-r4
=dev-db/mysql-4.1.14
dragonfly ~ #
dragonfly ~ # emerge -pv --deep --update mplayer
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
Calculating dependencies /
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Re: [gentoo-user] Automatically mounting USB mass storage devices (camera)
Hi
I just posted the same on the german gentoo user list:
HAL is no longer compiled with the --enable-fstab-sync option. Therefore
hotpluggable devices wont be automounted. To get around this, you can create
a overlay with the current hal-0.5.4.ebuild and add the following:
src_compile() {
econf \
$(use_enable debug verbose-mode) \
$(use_enable pcmcia pcmcia-support) \
--enable-sysfs-carrier \
--enable-hotplug-map \
+ --enable-fstab-sync \
$(use_enable doc docbook-docs) \
$(use_enable doc doxygen-docs) \
--with-pid-file=/var/run/hald.pid \
|| die configure failed
emake || die make failed
}
Maybe you've to change the permissions on /etc/fstab to haldaemon:haldaemon,
as it needs the permission to change the file.
If you need informations on how to make an overlay, please ask!
Stefan
BTW: I don't know why --enable-fstab-sync isn't used anymore - maybe it's for
some good reason, I don't know. Do this on your own risk ;).
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Re: [gentoo-user] Kde version
Thiago Lüttig wrote: Hi folks ! I upgrade my gentoo every day, and when I try to upgrade the kde, the portage always display the last version of kde as 3.4.1. But newer versions of kde has been launched (3.4.3). What´s the reason of this late version still remains in the portage list ?? 3.4.1 is the latest version marked as stable. See portage documentation about using ~arch marked packages. 3.4.3 will be marked stable soon. Watch http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112842 for progress. Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Init script strangeness.
Thanks for the quick reply, but #!/sbin/runscript is the first line - it must have scrolled just off of the screen when I copied the text (sorry!). You don't appear to have #!/sbin/runscript on the first line. Any other ideas. -- Ant... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: default stage3 (was : [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?)
On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 01:20:12PM -0600, kashani wrote: The last top posting/html thread was 3 weeks ago... so yes it's time for another Keep Gentoo leet thread. Gentoo isn't about pain, it's about getting work done. Anything, and I mean *anything*, that allows me to spend less time working and more time having a life is a good thing. Well said !!! -- If voting could change anything, it would be illegal pgpgKK22aj9Ve.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: default stage3 (was : [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?)
Nothing changed for those who already installed Gentoo ever, as stated before, it will be even faster/easier to install for a experienced user, and has advantages like not keeping circular references, etc. Another point of view: easier to install means that the newbie filter that install was crumbles, well, we'll receive lots of emails now and the foruns will receive more posts too. Some will think its good, others not. I myself think its good, more people joining. But in the other hand, lets face it, Gentoo is not easy, its not simple and its not designed or the best distro to start in the Linux world. On 11/21/05, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hemmann, Volker Armin schreef: On Monday 21 November 2005 13:33, Steve B wrote: WTF.. I'm getting ready to rebuild my gentoo box. I have always did a stage 1 install. i was under the impression that if u used a stage 3 u couldn't muck with your CFLAGS or what not. If I'm forced to use canned binaries I might as well go with FC or Debian.. I've never listened to the Gentoo is dead comments.. but now who knows.. this is just crazy.. who came up with this stupid idea? from the sounds of it certianly not the Gentoo Community! well, it was made, because the idiots are too dumb to read and follow the stage1 instructions. And gentoo needs more idiots, right? Up until now, the installation was a nice filter - but that has weakend now, too. I don't actually agree... the impression I'm getting is that Gentoo has now matured/evolved into a state where filters are no longer necessary (or as necessary as previously). Before now, the Gentoo install was rather fragmented, because all the tools necessary to install Gentoo did not all work, or did not all work as well as they needed to, or did not all work as well as they needed to in combination with each other. In practical market terms, you wouldn't want just everybody installing it-- in order to ensure a good and successful experience for the largest number of people, you would not want to encourage those who were untrained or refused training, since the state of the backend required training for successful use. Those who were turned off by the amount or complexity of the documentation (and/or the length of time the install entailed) would tend naturally to fall away. But once Gentoo is actually installed, it's just as easy to use as anything else. Maybe you have to learn emerge -whatever instead of apt-get whatever, but one is not particularly harder than the other. It was always the install that was hard, not the usage. The evolution/maturation of Gentoo and its associated tools means that in order to install Gentoo you no longer have to carefully pick your way across a minefield (stage 1), but can with confidence stride across a beautiful grassy plain (stage 3). If you then want to turn around and customize that field-- plant some flowers, for example-- you can do that (emerge -e world), or you don't have to. But the point is that if you want to interrupt your journey to whatever was on the other side of that field (use your PC for whatever you planned to do with the system, instead of suffering to install the system in the first place) you now have a choice about whether to do that or not. You are not essentially forced to do so by the fact that the minefield was not clear and passage to the other side was not easy or safe and required a great deal of attention. Unbelievable that people are complaining about an improvement in ease-of-use (or in this case, installation). I'd also wonder why Steve B. is installing (again) anyway; one of Gentoo's hallmarks is that you basically install it once and you (almost) never have to do it again. That is of course Steve's business. although if he's going to reinstall, again I must wonder why he would complain that such a reinstall is now likely to be much easier, and lead to a functioning system (from which he can emerge -e world to his heart's content) much faster. But maybe I just have a strange point of view. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Kde version
On Mon November 21 2005 1:33 pm, Thiago Lüttig wrote: Hi folks ! I upgrade my gentoo every day, and when I try to upgrade the kde, the portage always display the last version of kde as 3.4.1. But newer versions of kde has been launched (3.4.3). What´s the reason of this late version still remains in the portage list ?? __ Atenciosamente, Thiago Lüttig You need to learn about masking in portage. Type in man:portage in a konqueror address bar, and look at all the options for setting up your /etc/portage directory files. The settings in these files will overide /etc/make.conf That way, you'll be able to emerge stuff that's in ~x86 in addition to x86 (so-called stable. It's common that the newest kde releases won't make it into x86 right away, so you need to unmask and keyword them. They almost always work fine. for example, I've been running kde 3.5 betas and rc1for many weeks- no problems. But, I'm pure ~x86 (in make.conf) anyway, so I always have the latest packages show up in my emerge -uD system or world. Robert Crawford -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: default stage3 (was : [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?)
Such a scenario could be your your arms and legs falling off... On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 01:20:12PM -0600, kashani wrote: The last top posting/html thread was 3 weeks ago... so yes it's time for another Keep Gentoo leet thread. Gentoo isn't about pain, it's about getting work done. Anything, and I mean *anything*, that allows me to spend less time working and more time having a life is a good thing. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Re: default stage3
-Original Message- From: Allan Gottlieb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:16 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: default stage3 At Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:13:14 +0100 Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 21 November 2005 13:33, Steve B wrote: WTF.. I'm getting ready to rebuild my gentoo box. I have always did a stage 1 install. i was under the impression that if u used a stage 3 u couldn't muck with your CFLAGS or what not. 3. If you fiddle with USE flags, /etc/package.* files, etc, you can get the effect of a customized stage1 install by recompiling everything twice. I suspect simply emerge -e world; emerge -e world 3A. Only a few items really need to be compiled the first time. 3B. There are scripts in the forums to do this automatically. I installed gentoo on a dual Opteron box this weekend, I've always done stage1 installs, but this time decided to try the recommeded stage3 method. I understand the concept of doing an emerge -e world in order to get the optimization of a stage1 install, and I've done this ( one time ) on the install I just completed. Can sombody explain why it's necessary/desirable to do this *twice*? What real difference does the second execution really make? Thanks, Bob Young -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: default stage3 (was : [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?)
Jason Dodson wrote: Such a scenario could be your your arms and legs falling off... I suspect I'd spend more time typing if I had to use only my nose rather than fingers so this fails the get more work done test. Perhaps your nose is more dexterous than mine? Jokes aside my definition of getting more work done does include things being stable so I don't have to fix them again, not giving up flexibility that would save me work in the future, and so forth. There is a fine line to walk and in many case I'll err on the side of more work during working hours to be sure of no work in my own time. On the other hand I just took a job as employee #6 at a startup in San Francisco which is sure to double the number of hours I work as well as move me cross country so maybe I'm not as smart as I thought. kashani PS: anyone in SF need a roommate? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system clock keeps getting reset to weird times
Charles Trois wrote: The legal time, here in France and at this (winter) period, is GMT + 1, as shown correctly by the clock of my iMac, but date keeps returning GMT + 2. Sounds like your harware clock is running at local time. What does 'hwclock --show --debug' say? Look for the line saying Time read from Hardware Clock:. If the hardware clock is really set at UTC, do you maybe have TZ set? 'echo $TZ'. If it is, then unset it: 'unset TZ', and then see if date and hwclock operate correctly. And also check that the symlink /etc/localtime points at the correct zone. Benno -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: default stage3
I installed gentoo on a dual Opteron box this weekend, I've always done stage1 installs, but this time decided to try the recommeded stage3 method. I understand the concept of doing an emerge -e world in order to get the optimization of a stage1 install, and I've done this ( one time ) on the install I just completed. Can sombody explain why it's necessary/desirable to do this *twice*? What real difference does the second execution really make? As I understand it, the first time you recompile new toolchain with your old toolchain, and then the 2nd time you're recompiling the toolchain with the new toolchain, with the idea that the new toolchain will compile/assemble/link/etc everything in a different way than the old toolchain. Please correct if I'm wrong. -- Ryan W Sims () ascii ribbon /\ campaign - against html mail - against proprietary attachments -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] problem with wxGTK
Hi, I get the following when trying to emerge poedit md5 src_uri ;-) poedit-1.3.2.tar.gz Unpacking source... Unpacking poedit-1.3.2.tar.gz to /var/tmp/portage/poedit-1.3.2/work Source unpacked. !!! set-wxconfig: Error: Can't find normal or debug version: !!! set-wxconfig: /usr/bin/wxgtk2u-2.4-config not found !!! set-wxconfig: /usr/bin/wxgtk2ud-2.4-config not found !!! You need to emerge wxGTK with unicode in your USE But... tux ~ # emerge -av wxGTK These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] x11-libs/wxGTK-2.6.1 -debug -doc +gnome +gtk2 -joystick +odbc +opengl +sdl +unicode -wxgtk1 0 kB Any ideas? Cheers Antoine -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] frambuffer for TV
General question guys, i have a mythtv box, for the most time it doesn't give me any problems, but boot up is kinda funky cause the video card doesn't put out information that the TV(standard tube tele... nothing fancy) can understand... so the image looks like its lost the vertical hold. So my basic question is... will framebuffer support this? thanks in advance guys, bryce -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: default stage3 (was : [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?)
Maybe it's just me, but I have never seen the Stage 1 as any harder than Stage 3. The only difference was... umm... setting your CFLAGS and USE flags. Seriously, how hard is it to type bootstrap, or emerge -e system? I am not saying the move is bad, I totally understand it. I hope that the new docs do have a How to recompile everything at the end somewhere though, for those of us that like the optimization. As far as I've seen, stage 1 is still on the mirrors. If it's really an issue for you, why not download it and just run bootstrap and emerge?On 11/21/05, kashani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Jason Dodson wrote: Such a scenario could be your your arms and legs falling off... I suspect I'd spend more time typing if I had to use only my noserather than fingers so this fails the get more work done test. Perhapsyour nose is more dexterous than mine?Jokes aside my definition of getting more work done does include things being stable so I don't have to fix them again, not giving upflexibility that would save me work in the future, and so forth. Thereis a fine line to walk and in many case I'll err on the side of more work during working hours to be sure of no work in my own time.On the other hand I just took a job as employee #6 at a startup in SanFrancisco which is sure to double the number of hours I work as well as move me cross country so maybe I'm not as smart as I thought.kashaniPS: anyone in SF need a roommate?--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Steven Susbauer
Re: [gentoo-user] root password gremlin
On Sunday 20 Nov 2005 7:16 pm, Holly Bostick wrote: equery hasuse pam Wow!!! I performed that thing on my system and the stupid PAM is everywhere (I am scared as shit after reading this thread). What would be the easiest way to get rid of PAM from a single user desktop system working smoothly? Would a -pam in make.conf and emerge -uDN world suffice? Abhay pgp0Pf8QelaPl.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Bit puzzled over Kernel Upgrade with Genkernel - No Sound or Wireless Connectivity
Hi - I just upgraded my kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.12-gentoo-r10 to kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.14-gentoo-r2. So far I have no sound (Alsa) or wireless connectivity (ipw2100). Do I need to re-emerge the relevant packages? And if I do will this remove the functionality from the old kernel. I can boot the old kernel fine with sound and everything. -- Thanks, Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: default stage3 (was : [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?)
Steven Susbauer wrote: I hope that the new docs do have a How to recompile everything at the end somewhere though, for those of us that like the optimization. The new handbook links to http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/faq.xml#stage12 - how to get the equivalent of a Stage 1 install while still starting with a Stage3. -- Manuel A. McLure KE6TAW [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mclure.org ...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law, no man may kill a cat. -- H.P. Lovecraft -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: default stage3 (was : [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?)
Daniel da Veiga schreef: Gentoo is not easy, its not simple and its not designed or the best distro to start in the Linux world. Hogwash. What's so hard about it, as opposed to any other Linux distro, once you get past the install issue? Is learning Portage somehow intrinsically harder than figuring out how to manage YAST and YOU, if you don't know anything at all about package management (which, after all, Windows doesn't have at all)? Does having to figure out how to acquire a media player that will play your MP3s and DVDs by default, because you're using a distro that does not legally prefer this functionality to be distributed, somehow make that distro easier to use, or simpler in some way? The ATI drivers are a b**ch to install no matter what distro you use, if you need them. Just what precisely is so not-simple about Gentoo as opposed to any other distro (barring perhaps Linspire)? Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature
-Original Message- From: Alexander Skwar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 3:48 AM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature You're answer was to a different question. Whose answer was to a different question? Ralph Slooten schrieb: gpg --gen-key Wrong. can anybody tell me methode to create my own pgp signature? That's the question. Was the answer Ralph gave not correct? I don't understand what you're trying to say... Alexander Skwar Posting out-of-order makes it easy to follow context. ? -s -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Jason Ausmus -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] root password gremlin
Abhay Kedia schreef: On Sunday 20 Nov 2005 7:16 pm, Holly Bostick wrote: equery hasuse pam Wow!!! I performed that thing on my system and the stupid PAM is everywhere (I am scared as shit after reading this thread). What would be the easiest way to get rid of PAM from a single user desktop system working smoothly? Would a -pam in make.conf and emerge -uDN world suffice? Abhay Just because you have a lot of packages installed that have the pam USE flag doesn't mean that much-- is the flag actually enabled for those packages? If so, and your system is not having any issues, I wouldn't necessarily become hysterical just yet. But if you really are concerned, and want to remove it, you might consider the following wiki entry, and then think about it before making a decision: http://www.gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Remove_PAM HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] problem with wxGTK
Antoine schreef: !!! set-wxconfig: /usr/bin/wxgtk2u-*2.4*-config not found [ebuild R ] x11-libs/wxGTK-*2.6.1* -debug -doc +gnome +gtk2 -joystick +odbc +opengl +sdl +unicode -wxgtk1 0 kB equery belongs /usr/bin/wxgtk2u-2.4-config [ Searching for file(s) /usr/bin/wxgtk2u-2.4-config in *... ] x11-libs/wxGTK-2.4.2-r3 (/usr/bin/wxgtk2u-2.4-config) eix wxgtk * x11-libs/wxGTK Available versions: 2.4.2-r2 2.4.2-r3 [M]2.5.3 ~2.6.0-r1 2.6.1 ~2.6.2 Installed: 2.4.2-r3 2.6.1 Homepage:http://www.wxwindows.org Description: GTK+ version of wxWidgets, a cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit and wxbase non-gui library Any ideas? Yes, you need to install a 2.4 version of wxGTK. Hope this helps, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature
Jason Ausmus schreef: -Original Message- From: Alexander Skwar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 3:48 AM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature You're answer was to a different question. Whose answer was to a different question? Ralph Slooten schrieb: gpg --gen-key Wrong. can anybody tell me methode to create my own pgp signature? That's the question. Was the answer Ralph gave not correct? I don't understand what you're trying to say... Alexander Skwar Posting out-of-order makes it easy to follow context. Alexander may have been complaining about the top-posting, or maybe the OP was not completely clear in the question, or maybe Ralph misunderstood the difference between a /key pair/ and a /signature/: gpg --help Syntax: gpg [options] [files] sign, check, encrypt or decrypt default operation depends on the input data Commands: == -s, --sign [file] make a signature --clearsign [file]make a clear text signature -b, --detach-sign make a detached signature -e, --encrypt encrypt data -c, --symmetric encryption only with symmetric cipher -d, --decrypt decrypt data (default) --verify verify a signature --list-keys list keys --list-sigs list keys and signatures --check-sigs list and check key signatures --fingerprint list keys and fingerprints -K, --list-secret-keyslist secret keys == --gen-key generate a new key pair --delete-keys remove keys from the public keyring --delete-secret-keys remove keys from the secret keyring --sign-keysign a key So if the question really does relate to creating a signature, Ralph was wrong. If the question was wrong, and a key pair needs to be generated in order to sign something, then Ralph was right. However, other than pointing this out by the simple expedient of confusing everyone further, Alexander's reply was less than helpful, since it neither pointed out why the answer given was presumably not correct, or provided a correct answer if the answer given was in fact not correct. Awaiting more data in order to answer /your/ question, Jason (can not compute). but everybody could just read the man page and work it out for themselves, of course :) . Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: default stage3
On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 17:01 -0500, Ryan Sims wrote: I installed gentoo on a dual Opteron box this weekend, I've always done stage1 installs, but this time decided to try the recommeded stage3 method. I understand the concept of doing an emerge -e world in order to get the optimization of a stage1 install, and I've done this ( one time ) on the install I just completed. Can sombody explain why it's necessary/desirable to do this *twice*? What real difference does the second execution really make? As I understand it, the first time you recompile new toolchain with your old toolchain, and then the 2nd time you're recompiling the toolchain with the new toolchain, with the idea that the new toolchain will compile/assemble/link/etc everything in a different way than the old toolchain. Please correct if I'm wrong. I would suggest 'emerge -uD gcc emerge -e world'; This should recompile the new toolchain with the new toolchain and be considerably faster. Matthias -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature
Holly Bostick wrote: but everybody could just read the man page and work it out for themselves, of course :) . Alternatively, one could read Gentoo's GnuPG documentation[1] or the GnuPG Handbook[2]. :-) [1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gnupg-user.xml [2] http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/documentation/guides.html Cheers. --Peter -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: default stage3 (was : [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?)
Hogwash. What's so hard about it, as opposed to any other Linux distro, once you get past the install issue? Several points here: 1) The install issue is the crux isn't it? A Linux newbie would falter at this first hurdle. I have recently installed two Gentoo stage 3 installations, and the biggest problem a newbie would face is that if something went wrong during the install (i.e. they missed a step in the instructions somewhere) they wouldn't have the experience to work out where they went wrong and fix it. 2) The install procedure is a relatively lengthy process (mainly due to the time it takes to download and compile). Both of my installations had to be spread over two or three evenings before the kernel was built and the Gentoo system was ready to stand alone. Without a good chunk of prior experiece, a newbie wouldn't know how to get back to where they left off. 3) Linux newbies generally come from somewhere - the vast majority don't stumble upon Linux as their first OS. Which means they will be coming from a Windows or Mac background. Both are heavily GUI focused - don't underestimate the intimidation factor of a Console to the average Windows/Mac user. Just what precisely is so not-simple about Gentoo as opposed to any other distro (barring perhaps Linspire)? See above and in addition, most mainstream Linux distro's out there will with little work from the user provide a desktop environment with all of the office and multimedia software installed, and hardware set up. These are not criticisms of Gentoo - I love it so far. After the initial install, setting up Apache and subversion was a doddle, and took far less time than when I did it on the previous Suse installation, with the advantage that I now have a lean fast and tidy server, rather than the bloated and messy system Suse gave me. This is mainly due to Gentoo's excellent Portage system, and superb documentation. But then I am not a Linux newbie, and work as a software developer for a living ;-) JM2PW -- Ant... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] How do I test gnome-spell?
I can't get spell checking in Evolution to work (it has no idea what dictionaries are available). The base aspell seems to be working but I don't know how to test the gnome-spell component. Any ideas? -- Alex, homepage: http://www.bennee.com/~alex/ You have literary talent that you should take pains to develop. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: default stage3 (was : [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?)
On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 04:17:45PM +0100, Holly Bostick wrote: reinstall, again I must wonder why he would complain that such a reinstall is now likely to be much easier, and lead to a functioning system (from which he can emerge -e world to his heart's content) much faster. But maybe I just have a strange point of view. No, you presume a strange point of view on Steve's part, quite unfairly. That is why he posted: stage 3 did NOT leave him a functioning system from his POV. I don't know the right or wrong of this, but implying Steve is an idiot seems quite derogatory. But maybe I just have a strange point of view. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: default stage3 (was : [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?)
George Garvey wrote: On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 04:17:45PM +0100, Holly Bostick wrote: reinstall, again I must wonder why he would complain that such a reinstall is now likely to be much easier, and lead to a functioning system (from which he can emerge -e world to his heart's content) much faster. No, you presume a strange point of view on Steve's part, quite unfairly. That is why he posted: stage 3 did NOT leave him a functioning system from his POV. I don't know the right or wrong of this, but implying Steve is an idiot seems quite derogatory. But maybe I just have a strange point of view. She didn't say Stage 3 would leave him with a functioning system - she said that it's *faster* to get to a functioning system from Stage 3 than it would be from Stage 2 or 1. -- Manuel A. McLure KE6TAW [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mclure.org ...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law, no man may kill a cat. -- H.P. Lovecraft -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Init script strangeness.
On 11/21/05, Anthony Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the quick reply, but #!/sbin/runscript is the first line - it must have scrolled just off of the screen when I copied the text (sorry!). There are 2 conditions required for the start-stop-daemon to successfully stop the service: 1. A process with the given process id must exist in the system 2. Since you are giving the --name wiki option, the process name in /proc/pid/stat must be wiki. Can you verify that both of those conditions are true? # cat /proc/`cat /var/run/antwiki.pid`/stat -Richard You don't appear to have #!/sbin/runscript on the first line. Any other ideas. -- Ant... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: default stage3 (was : [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?)
George Garvey schreef: On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 04:17:45PM +0100, Holly Bostick wrote: reinstall, again I must wonder why he would complain that such a reinstall is now likely to be much easier, and lead to a functioning system (from which he can emerge -e world to his heart's content) much faster. But maybe I just have a strange point of view. No, you presume a strange point of view on Steve's part, quite unfairly. That is why he posted: stage 3 did NOT leave him a functioning system from his POV. I don't know the right or wrong of this, but implying Steve is an idiot seems quite derogatory. But maybe I just have a strange point of view. Sorry, no intention of implying that anyone other than myself was an idiot (I wonder implies I do not understand something, so if anyone is an idiot, it must be me for missing something so obvious to everyone else, so I was actually asking for clarification), and apologies if it read that way. Myself, I don't consider that either a stage 1 or stage 3 leaves me with more than a minimally functional system after the initial install, but a stage 3 leaves me with a *higher functioning* minimal install than a stage 1 does. Either way, I have to put in a fair amount of time either installing the full system that includes the apps and whatnot that I actually use, or customizing the stage 3 to reflect my actual usage patterns, both of which operations take a lot of time. But at least after a stage 3, I don't have to be *uncomfortable* while I'm waiting to get my system up to my personal spec-- I can still *use* Mozilla, even if it's compiled with Mail, and Composer, and IRC, while I wait for it to recompile with the -moz*** USE flags. Of course, that's the reason I generally did an Alternative Stage 1 install from inside another distro (Knoppix once, SuSE once), because I only have the one system, and looking at a relatively useless console for two or three days while my mail piles up doesn't suit me (not a big Mutt user, and lynx annoys me). So this entire discussion doesn't have so much personal relevance to me, except that it means that I can just install Gentoo (in a couple of hours) should I ever need to do that again, rather than having to haul out a Knoppix CD or boot to my SuSE install because I want to (re-)install Gentoo (over a couple of days). Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bit puzzled over Kernel Upgrade with Genkernel - No Sound or Wireless Connectivity
On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 09:20:10AM +1000, Richard Watson wrote: Hi - I just upgraded my kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.12-gentoo-r10 to kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.14-gentoo-r2. So far I have no sound (Alsa) or wireless connectivity (ipw2100). Do I need to re-emerge the relevant packages? And if I do will this remove the functionality from the old yes. no. You need to recompile the kernel modules against the new kernel for them to work. And /lib/modules is protected so that recompiling kernel modules for new kernels won't remove the modules for the old kernel. (Hint: there is a reason that /lib/modules has subdirectories numbered by kernel versions.) kernel. I can boot the old kernel fine with sound and everything. HTH, W -- Love is like 2. It has irrational roots. ~Daniel Jonathan Peng Sortir en Pantoufles: up 9 days, 17:53 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Kde version
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:29:25 +0200 Petteri Räty wrote: Thiago Lüttig wrote: Hi folks ! I upgrade my gentoo every day, and when I try to upgrade the kde, the portage always display the last version of kde as 3.4.1. But newer versions of kde has been launched (3.4.3). What´s the reason of this late version still remains in the portage list ?? 3.4.1 is the latest version marked as stable. See portage documentation about using ~arch marked packages. 3.4.3 will be marked stable soon. Watch http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112842 for progress. I think the OP's point is that although the latest kde that is marked stable' by gentoo is 3.4.1, the kde group in fact have released (and therefore consider stable) version 3.4.3. And the reason for that is that it takes some time for the gentoo build system for kde to be considered stable. In other words after kde.org (or any other software writer) releases a new version, it takes some time for the gentoo devs to make sure it is working ok before they release it on the masses of gentoo users who rely on the devs to keep their systems stable. And a bloody good thing too! Regards, Petteri -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: default stage3 (was : [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?)
Some thoughts: I recently did a stage 1 install and found that the process seems to have deteriorated to the point it was more work than it should have been - hence I see some of the reasons for abandoning it. In particular, the recompiling needed to bring it to a GCC 3.4.4 with all the options I needed meant that a stage 1 gained me nothing, and I lost quite a bit of time. The majority of systems I have recently installed have been tar over ssh from a running system (usually a LiveCD - I have P3/P4 and athlon - just choose the appropriate base). A small install can be up and running in less than 30 mins (IF you already have a running system!) - and its mostly preconfigured which is where I find I spend most of *MY* time. Only downside I have come across is cruft, but that can be managed. I consider this as the equivalent of a targeted (for my purposes) customised super stage3 install. With todays large hard disks, I also put aside a 4G reiserfs partition that contains a minimal install (inc a tailess /boot) to keep me working (i.e., the gateway has a basic webserver, squid, nat setup, mail server, ..., the desktop has fluxbox, OO and evolution - my main work tools and so on. Maintenance is done in a chroot, with an occasional test when scheduled with major kernel upgrades. If in fiddling, I have a disaster, I can keep working while rebuilding. If more than one physical HD is present, grub is installed in each MBR - many modern MB's allow you to choose which HD to boot from - quite handy! Worst comes to worst, a few minutes with tar and I have a basic, but fully configured base to start the recovery process back to the original system. I have found the 4G partition very handy when the raid array broke (disk failure - the 4G was in an unaffected area of the disk - non-raided, so was easily rescued), software problems (bad kernel upgrades) and just having the peace of mind that I can keep working through most disasters. I would highly recommend that this be a standard part of the install for critical systems (e.g., SOHO gateways), and especially for those who have only a single system to work with. With a little planning, it is possible to have an install once, and multiply/upgrade forever maintenance process - this is one of gentoo's current strengths. BillK On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 01:40 +0100, Holly Bostick wrote: George Garvey schreef: On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 04:17:45PM +0100, Holly Bostick wrote: reinstall, again I must wonder why he would complain that such a -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Kde version
You would be amazed at how frustrated gentoo users make devs. Plus going from distribution to distribution not everything works 100% the same exact way. On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 14:35 +1300, Nick Rout wrote: On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:29:25 +0200 Petteri Räty wrote: Thiago Lüttig wrote: Hi folks ! I upgrade my gentoo every day, and when I try to upgrade the kde, the portage always display the last version of kde as 3.4.1. But newer versions of kde has been launched (3.4.3). What´s the reason of this late version still remains in the portage list ?? 3.4.1 is the latest version marked as stable. See portage documentation about using ~arch marked packages. 3.4.3 will be marked stable soon. Watch http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112842 for progress. I think the OP's point is that although the latest kde that is marked stable' by gentoo is 3.4.1, the kde group in fact have released (and therefore consider stable) version 3.4.3. And the reason for that is that it takes some time for the gentoo build system for kde to be considered stable. In other words after kde.org (or any other software writer) releases a new version, it takes some time for the gentoo devs to make sure it is working ok before they release it on the masses of gentoo users who rely on the devs to keep their systems stable. And a bloody good thing too! Regards, Petteri -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Douglas James Dunn.-. 468 South 7th street /v\L I N U X Indiana, PA 15701// \\ Phear the Penguin cell: (724) 316-8266/( )\ Indiana University ^^-^^ of Pennsylvania () The ASCII Ribbon Campaign - against HTML Email, /\ vCards, and proprietary formats. . .vir.d$b .d$$b..cd$$b. .d$$b. d$$$b .d$$b. .d$$b. ( )$$$b d$$$()$$$. d$$$b Q$$$P$$$P.$$$b. .$$$b. Q$$BP d$$$PQb. . .$$$P' `$$$ .$$$P' `$$$ $$$P Q$$$b d$$$P Qb b b..d$$$ b..d$$$ d$$P Q$$$ Q $ `Q$$$P `Q$$$P $$$P ` Q$$$P Q$$$P Q$$$P `Q$$P signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[gentoo-user] postfix 'myorigin' and default [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi, I have a tricky postfix configuration question. I want: 1. mail from postfix on my machine to appear to be from host server.com (my machine is host.server.com) 2. mail to 'user' (with unspecified host) on my machine to go to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (my machine) not [EMAIL PROTECTED]) I can do 1. with myorigin in /etc/postfix/main.cf, but that also makes cron jobs and such that don't specify a host, to mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of locally to [EMAIL PROTECTED] : # For the sake of consistency between sender and recipient addresses, # myorigin also specifies the default domain name that is appended # to recipient addresses that have no @domain part. Is there any way around this? Perhaps with a different MTA? MTIA! -- Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system clock keeps getting reset to weird times
On November 18, 2005 02:14 pm Benno Schulenberg was like: Your time zone is correctly set? Check with 'ls -l /etc/localtime'. I think the problem was a corrupt /etc/localtime. When I set up the system I made /etc/localtime a symlink, but SOMETHING seemed to have changed that and replaced it with a copy of (what I presume to have been) the file the symlink should have been pointing to. Unfortunately it must have been a corrupt copy. Deleting this file and reinserting the symlink seems to have made the problem go away. I think the guilty SOMETHING was most likely the kde date and time setting utility. Thanks once again to everybody for their help. Robert -- Robert Persson Don't use nuclear weapons to troubleshoot faults. (US Air Force Instruction 91-111, 1 Oct 1997) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature
Jason Ausmus schrieb: -Original Message- From: Alexander Skwar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 3:48 AM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature You're answer was to a different question. Whose answer was to a different question? The answer of the person, to whom I replied: Ralph Slooten. can anybody tell me methode to create my own pgp signature? That's the question. Was the answer Ralph gave not correct? No, it wasn't. It was the answer to a different question. He answered the question: How do I get a key pair?. But that wasn't asked for. I don't understand what you're trying to say... Ralphs answer was wrong and his posting style (full quote with top post) is suboptimal. I mixed my post up as well, to bring that point across. Alexander Skwar Posting out-of-order makes it easy to follow context. ? Ralphs post was not in the correct order. The correct order is the one that you and I am employing: Quote Answer He mixed that up. Alexander Skwar -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature
Holly Bostick schrieb: Jason Ausmus schreef: -Original Message- From: Alexander Skwar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 3:48 AM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature You're answer was to a different question. Whose answer was to a different question? Ralph Slooten schrieb: gpg --gen-key Wrong. can anybody tell me methode to create my own pgp signature? That's the question. Was the answer Ralph gave not correct? I don't understand what you're trying to say... Alexander Skwar Posting out-of-order makes it easy to follow context. Alexander may have been complaining about the top-posting, Yep. or maybe the OP was not completely clear in the question, Hm, possible as well, yes. or maybe Ralph misunderstood the difference between a /key pair/ and a /signature/: That's what I assumed. Commands: == -s, --sign [file] make a signature Yep. As I said - see the last line of my mail before the mailinglist signature :) I don't think that it is helpful to read man pages or help output to people. So if the question really does relate to creating a signature, Ralph was wrong. If the question was wrong, and a key pair needs to be generated in order to sign something, then Ralph was right. Yes. However, other than pointing this out by the simple expedient of confusing everyone further, Alexander's reply was less than helpful, since it neither pointed out why the answer given was presumably not correct, Uhm. Yes, I did not point that out. Why and how should I? OP asked, how a signature can be created. That's a clear question. I don't know how to explain, why --gen-key is the wrong answer. It's just so plain totally wrong, that I just don't know how to explain it. or provided a correct answer if the answer given was in fact not correct. Oh, I did not? What about the -s? How's that not the sign command? but everybody could just read the man page and work it out for themselves, of course :) . Or the help output. I wrote gpg --help | grep 'make a' which will, among other things, return -s. But that's not correct? Alexander Skwar -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: changing CHOST in stage3 (was : [gentoo-user] default stage3)
Matthew Cline schrieb: I've just completed a stage3 install, and I'd like to change the CHOST from i386-pc-linux-gnu to i586-pc-linux-gnu. Why? What do you expect to gain? Alexander Skwar -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] OT: recommendation for external usb2 / firewire 2.5in hd case
Hi All, I hope you don't find all these OT posts annoying, but this is the only real ml I'm subscribed to atm :) I am looking for a 2.5in HD enclosure, with USB 2. SD Card reader is a bonus, as is video / audio playback from the device itself. I'm leaning toward this one from vosonic, that can even view video on its display http://www.vosonic.com/index.php?php_mode=specphp_itemid=36 as well as being able to copy from SD to HD without the PC! I would like to hear about your experience with linux and USB 2 performance from various chipsets, especially if you've tried vosonic products already. Alternatively, firewire would be nice, but I think it would cost too much $$ for the same features. Thanks, -- Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] problem installing kde
Hi all, I am stuck with the following errors while installing kde.Any ideas The error message is pasted below bash-2.05b$ sudo emerge kde-base/kdebase-startkde Password: Calculating dependencies ...done! emerge (1 of 20) kde-base/arts-3.4.1-r2 to / md5 files ;-) arts-3.4.3.ebuild md5 files ;-) arts-3.5.0_beta2.ebuild md5 files ;-) arts-1.3.2.ebuild md5 files ;-) arts-3.5.0_rc1.ebuild md5 files ;-) arts-1.3.2-r1.ebuild md5 files ;-) arts-3.4.1-r2.ebuild md5 files ;-) arts-3.4.2.ebuild md5 files ;-) arts-3.5_beta1-r1.ebuild md5 files ;-) files/digest-arts-1.3.2-r1 md5 files ;-) files/arts-1.3.2-mcopidl.patch md5 files ;-) files/digest-arts-3.4.3 md5 files ;-) files/arts-1.4-mcopidl.patch md5 files ;-) files/digest-arts-3.5.0_beta2 md5 files ;-) files/digest-arts-3.4.1-r2 md5 files ;-) files/digest-arts-1.3.2 md5 files ;-) files/digest-arts-3.5.0_rc1 md5 files ;-) files/digest-arts-3.5_beta1-r1 md5 files ;-) files/1.3.0-jack-configure.in.in.patch md5 files ;-) files/arts-1.3.2-alsa-bigendian.patch md5 files ;-) files/arts-3.4.1-configure.patch md5 files ;-) files/arts-3.4.1-cpu-overload.patch md5 files ;-) files/digest-arts-3.4.2 md5 src_uri ;-) arts-1.4.1.tar.bz2 Unpacking source... Unpacking arts-1.4.1.tar.bz2 to /var/tmp/portage/arts-3.4.1-r2/work * Applying arts-3.4.1-configure.patch ... [ ok ] * Applying arts-1.3.2-alsa-bigendian.patch ... [ ok ] * Applying arts-3.4.1-cpu-overload.patch ... [ ok ] *** automake (GNU automake) 1.6.3 found. *** Creating acinclude.m4 make[1]: Entering directory `/var/tmp/portage/arts-3.4.1-r2/work/arts-1.4.1' make[1]: Nothing to be done for `acinclude.m4'. make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/arts-3.4.1-r2/work/arts-1.4.1' *** Creating list of subdirectories *** Creating Makefile.am *** Creating configure.files *** Creating configure.in *** Creating aclocal.m4 *** Creating configure *** Creating config.h template *** Creating Makefile templates flow/gsl/gslmakefile.inc:43: invalid unused variable name: `gslffttest_LDFLAGS' flow/gsl/gslmakefile.inc:39: invalid unused variable name: `gsltests_LDADD' flow/gsl/gslmakefile.inc:36: invalid unused variable name: `gslwchunk_LDADD' flow/gsl/gslmakefile.inc:38: invalid unused variable name: `gsltests_SOURCES' flow/gsl/gslmakefile.inc:42: invalid unused variable name: `gslffttest_LDADD' flow/gsl/gslmakefile.inc:40: invalid unused variable name: `gsltests_LDFLAGS' flow/gsl/gslmakefile.inc:35: invalid unused variable name: `gslwchunk_SOURCES' flow/gsl/gslmakefile.inc:41: invalid unused variable name: `gslffttest_SOURCES' flow/gsl/gslmakefile.inc:37: invalid unused variable name: `gslwchunk_LDFLAGS' make: *** [cvs] Error 1 !!! ERROR: kde-base/arts-3.4.1-r2 failed. !!! Function src_unpack, Line 45, Exitcode 2 !!! (no error message) !!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, NOT this status message. Thanks in Advance! Krishna
Re: default stage3 (was : [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?)
051121 Holly Bostick wrote: Daniel da Veiga schreef: Gentoo is not easy, its not simple and its not designed or the best distro to start in the Linux world. What's so hard about it, as opposed to any other Linux distro, once you get past the install issue? In a word, 'maintenance'. No, that's not hard for you me, but your typical Linux novice is going to have to learn a lot to keep his/her box as upto-date as s/he would using a binary distro. For the latter, you just download the new Kubuntu/etc ISO every few months, whereas with Gentoo either you choose which pkgs to update when, -- eg do I get KDE 3.4.3 while it's ~x86 or wait till it's 'stable' or wait a bit longer till 3.5.0 is ~x86 or ... ? (that's my approach) -- or you blindly do 'emerge world' hope for the best (I never 'emerge world'). Also, you have to configure install new kernel versions or can you trust it to Genkernel (which I have never used)? I couldn't think of using anything but Gentoo on my workaday box, but for my back-up machine it's likely to be Mandrake 2006 , as the CPU is too slow for painless Portage I update it only once/year. Newcomers to Linux should be advised to try something better than Linspire, but should not be introduced to Gentoo until they're used to UNIX methods are prepared to invest a bit of their on-going time in sysadmin. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
