Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2

2003-08-19 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:08:14 +0200, Branko Collin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18 Aug 2003, at 20:25, Raphaël Quinet wrote: On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:12:06 +0200, Roman Joost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll setup up some pages for the module, but where can i upload these pages? [...] I

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2

2003-08-19 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:35:33 +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I care about is how the generated HTML files in different languages will be structured since the helpbrowser will have to choose the appropriate files based on the users locale and it will probably have to know how

Re: [Gimp-developer] writing german online help

2003-08-19 Thread Roman Joost
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 12:23:06AM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: Why don't you simply write it all in UTF-8? Using HTML entities seems akward and error-prone. The helpbrowser plug-in is fully UTF-8 aware and if you use an editor that copes with UTF-8, you can simply use umlauts in your texts.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Documentation of the GIMP-1.3 internals

2003-08-19 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 06:13, Carol Spears wrote: This is the list of eh, C calls? You have to give a little list of values to make them work right? No, as I said, this is the object hierarchy. It's a list of all GIMP classes shown with their base classes. The documentation includes a

Re: [Gimp-developer] writing german online help

2003-08-19 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 10:33, Roman Joost wrote: Its written with UTF-8 Entities, so i think this thread is deprecated .. The only thing was a correct mapping of the umlauts. I setup my editor correctly and now i can write the docs without typing in the entities. Excuse my ignorance, but

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2

2003-08-19 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 09:48, Raphaël Quinet wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:35:33 +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I care about is how the generated HTML files in different languages will be structured since the helpbrowser will have to choose the appropriate files based

[Gimp-developer] style guide gimp-help-2

2003-08-19 Thread Branko Collin
I am getting a little confused by some of the statements made in this and earlier threads. What it comes down to, I guess, is that Daniel and Mel had a clear vision of the style of the new user documentation, but I somehow missed an explanation of that vision. In an earlier thread, Daniel

Re: [Gimp-developer] style guide gimp-help-2

2003-08-19 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Die, 2003-08-19 um 12.19 schrieb Branko Collin: What it comes down to, I guess, is that Daniel and Mel had a clear vision of the style of the new user documentation, but I somehow missed an explanation of that vision. We started the project by sketching that vision in some files in the

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2

2003-08-19 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Die, 2003-08-19 um 11.52 schrieb Sven Neumann: The current helpbrowser does it that way. But, no, it isn't necessary and that's why I wanted to see it discussed. Since Daniel obviously refuses to do that, Do not lay words in my mouth! I won't be able to do work on the implementation.

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2

2003-08-19 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Die, 2003-08-19 um 09.48 schrieb Raphaël Quinet: following message in the corresponding language: This page has not been translated yet to your language. The English version is included below. If you want to help other GIMP users, please consider submitting a translated version of this

Re: [Gimp-developer] style guide gimp-help-2

2003-08-19 Thread Branko Collin
Thank you for your elaborate answer. I do have some follow-up questions though. On 19 Aug 2003, at 14:01, Daniel Egger wrote: Am Die, 2003-08-19 um 12.19 schrieb Branko Collin: [current manual] Why are you not too happy about the content and the structure? It is too anarchic in its

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2

2003-08-19 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 13:35, Daniel Egger wrote: I also don't want to work on it any longer unless Daniel changes his ^ This is what you wanted to say, nothing else. Really sad... Yes, it is sad. But please read your own mails again. First you claimed that

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2

2003-08-19 Thread Simon . Budig
Daniel Egger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Am Die, 2003-08-19 um 11.52 schrieb Sven Neumann: The current helpbrowser does it that way. But, no, it isn't necessary and that's why I wanted to see it discussed. Since Daniel obviously refuses to do that, Do not lay words in my mouth! I

Re: [Gimp-developer] style guide gimp-help-2

2003-08-19 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On 19 Aug 2003 14:01:12 +0200, Daniel Egger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Die, 2003-08-19 um 12.19 schrieb Branko Collin: In an earlier thread, Daniel wrote: we're not too happy with the content and the structure of the GUMP. I take it you meant the GIMP documentation? GUM is the GIMP

Re: [Gimp-developer] writing german online help

2003-08-19 Thread Roman Joost
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 11:50:51AM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: Excuse my ignorance, but what are UTF-8 entities? I had a look at the stuff in CVS: secondaryEinfuuml;hrung/secondary and I would have expected: secondaryEinführung/secondary AFAIK, you can't write german umlauts in

[Gimp-developer] bugs@gimp.org spam getting a little out of hand

2003-08-19 Thread Daniel Rogers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Has anyone else noticed how the [EMAIL PROTECTED] spam is getting a little out of hand? perhaps now would be a good time to change that address. - -- Dan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla

Re: [Gimp-developer] writing german online help

2003-08-19 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 16:19, Roman Joost wrote: AFAIK, you can't write german umlauts in xml files, which are utf-8 encoded. Well, of course you can. That's the whole point of UTF-8 encoding. It provides a single encoding suitable for all languages so that they can coexist in the same

Re: [Gimp-developer] bugs@gimp.org spam getting a little out ofhand

2003-08-19 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:00:55 -0700, Daniel Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone else noticed how the [EMAIL PROTECTED] spam is getting a little out of hand? perhaps now would be a good time to change that address. Well, this looks like another Microsoft worm spreading like wildfire.

Re: [Gimp-developer] bugs@gimp.org spam getting a little out ofhand

2003-08-19 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 18:04, Raphaël Quinet wrote: We cannot easily change that address because that would require changing all gimp bugs, which are using this as the contact address. But as I suggested during GIMPcon, we could configure this address so that it accepts mails from

Re: [Gimp-developer] Documentation of the GIMP-1.3 internals

2003-08-19 Thread Nathan Carl Summers
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, there is something I hacked up during GimpCon and I thought it might be of interest to some of you although it's not yet finished (and perhaps YEY! (This is a very good thing.) Rockwalrus ___

Re: [Gimp-developer] style guide gimp-help-2

2003-08-19 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Die, 2003-08-19 um 14.25 schrieb Branko Collin: Thank you for your elaborate answer. I do have some follow-up questions though. No problem, whatever you want to know. :) Assume for a second that I know nothing about 'modern manuals'. What is it about them that you like. What did Mel

Re: [Gimp-developer] writing german online help

2003-08-19 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Die, 2003-08-19 um 16.48 schrieb Sven Neumann: Well, of course you can. That's the whole point of UTF-8 encoding. It provides a single encoding suitable for all languages so that they can coexist in the same file. All XML-1.0 compatible tools must handle UTF-8 correctly and there is thus

Re: [Gimp-developer] bugs@gimp.org spam getting a little out of hand

2003-08-19 Thread Alan Horkan
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Daniel Rogers wrote: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:00:55 -0700 From: Daniel Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Gimp-developer] [EMAIL PROTECTED] spam getting a little out of hand -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Has anyone else noticed

Re: [Gimp-developer] bugs@gimp.org spam getting a little out of hand

2003-08-19 Thread pcg
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 08:58:25PM +0100, Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Banning attachments and HTML email might be a tolerable compromise. A compromise that wouldn't even catch 1% of the mail isn't torable in my opinion (especially as it's not possible to filter for this). How can one

Re: [Gimp-developer] bugs@gimp.org spam getting a little out of hand

2003-08-19 Thread Manish Singh
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 06:20:43PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 18:04, Rapha??l Quinet wrote: We cannot easily change that address because that would require changing all gimp bugs, which are using this as the contact address. But as I suggested during GIMPcon,

Re: [Gimp-developer] bugs@gimp.org spam getting a little out of hand

2003-08-19 Thread pcg
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 03:02:18PM -0700, Manish Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Done. Damn, you were too fast :) Thanks for implementing it! -- -==- | ==-- _ | ---==---(_)__ __

Re: [Gimp-developer] style guide gimp-help-2

2003-08-19 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Die, 2003-08-19 um 15.08 schrieb Raphaël Quinet: Now I am confused. I thought that we were talking about the online help system, not about the manual (GUM). It looks like you consider both of them to be the same thing. Is that right? The old gimp-help was build upon the content of the

Re: [Gimp-developer] style guide gimp-help-2

2003-08-19 Thread pcg
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 07:32:24PM +0200, Daniel Egger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: book, see below) was anachronistic, more like a reference than a fluent style, every single part following the exactly same style like a manpage. We changed quite a lot and tried to enrich the content as much

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2

2003-08-19 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Mit, 2003-08-20 um 00.47 schrieb Michael Natterer: Is this a solution everybody can live with or did I miss something obvious? If it sounds reasonable, we should go ahead, it's not even an awful lot of work (the coding part, not writing the help pages :) Clean, (relatively) simple, I like

Re: [Gimp-developer] writing german online help

2003-08-19 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Mit, 2003-08-20 um 01.31 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Transcoding is a no-brainer, if that is a problem a simple one-liner can convert to whatever you want. I'm talking about the XSLT processors; sure a small perl/python/bash script will recode all generated HTML files in a directory, but as

Re: [Gimp-developer] style guide gimp-help-2

2003-08-19 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Mit, 2003-08-20 um 01.41 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: References are extremely important, more important than tutorials in prose, IMnsHO. This doesn't clash with my idea. Especially good cross references are important but this is exactly one of DocBooks' strengths. Now, maybe this can be