[Gimp-developer] Why the Van Gogh filter is still in gimp?

2010-11-16 Thread DontRemove
I see the Van Gogh filter is still in gimp, even in the last git and i fear to see it even in next 2.8 I think nobody use it, also because would be close to the impossible do something definite with it: not only is not clear for what is for, but even after reading its help page, remain

[Gimp-developer] Why the Van Gogh filter is still in gimp?

2010-11-16 Thread photocomix
I think that You are wrong. Did You asked to all GIMP users before saying that something is not useful and nobody uses it? I haven't been asked. Please, don't say that nobody uses it, because You don't know it. Also, It could be filters (scripts) that uses this filter, and They would be

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why the Van Gogh filter is still in gimp?

2010-11-15 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Sun, 2010-11-14 at 14:30 +0100, Ofnuts wrote: [...] Consider the amateur photographer and Gimp beginner who wants to add some sharpening of a picture. What filter to use? Sharpen? Unsharp mask? NL? Why does Gimp offers the three? What are the differences? That's a bit of a culture

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why the Van Gogh filter is still in gimp?

2010-11-15 Thread Ofnuts
On 11/14/2010 04:53 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote: Consider the amateur photographer and Gimp beginner who wants to add some sharpening of a picture. What filter to use? Sharpen? Unsharp mask? NL? Why does Gimp offers the three? What are the differences? That's a bit of a culture shock when one

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why the Van Gogh filter is still in gimp?

2010-11-15 Thread gg
On 11/15/10 19:01, Ofnuts wrote: There was a project gathering usage statistics on an earlier version of Gimp, maybe they have some data on that? Or make the filers crash when used and see if anyone complains:-) :-) I did that a long time ago to clean up a disk full of obsolete

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why the Van Gogh filter is still in gimp?

2010-11-15 Thread Ofnuts
On 11/15/2010 07:53 PM, g...@catking.net wrote: On 11/15/10 19:01, Ofnuts wrote: There was a project gathering usage statistics on an earlier version of Gimp, maybe they have some data on that? Or make the filers crash when used and see if anyone complains:-) :-) I did that a long

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why the Van Gogh filter is still in gimp?

2010-11-14 Thread yahvuu
Hi all, On 13.11.2010 18:13, Martin Nordholts wrote: On 11/13/2010 05:48 PM, photocomix wrote: The never used van gogh filter is in gimp from 1996 and survived all debates and clean up till now You can't know for sure that no one uses this plug-in in some script somewhere, and if we don't

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why the Van Gogh filter is still in gimp?

2010-11-14 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 14.11.2010 01:21, Bill Skaggs wrote: Here is a better reason, maybe. It is a good thing if people can learn to use Gimp by experimenting. When features are included for which experimenting leads only to confusion, and never to anything useful, users are discouraged from experimenting.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why the Van Gogh filter is still in gimp?

2010-11-14 Thread Ofnuts
On 11/14/2010 11:44 AM, Michael Schumacher wrote: On 14.11.2010 01:21, Bill Skaggs wrote: Here is a better reason, maybe. It is a good thing if people can learn to use Gimp by experimenting. When features are included for which experimenting leads only to confusion, and never to

[Gimp-developer] Why the Van Gogh filter is still in gimp?

2010-11-13 Thread photocomix
If something helps us fulfil our product vision, we will keep it in GIMP 3.0. If it doesn't, we will remove it. This particularly applies to things that are part of our plug-in API (like other plug-ins and libgimp* APIs) that we can't remove after GIMP 3.0 has been released. / Martin --

[Gimp-developer] Why the Van Gogh filter is still in gimp?

2010-11-13 Thread photocomix
The only thing that matters when it comes to deciding what to include and what not to include in GIMP is our product vision. If something helps us fulfil our product vision, we will keep it in GIMP 3.0. If it doesn't, we will remove it. / Martin that for what doesn't fit in the GIMP

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why the Van Gogh filter is still in gimp?

2010-11-13 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 11/13/2010 05:48 PM, photocomix wrote: The only thing that matters when it comes to deciding what to include and what not to include in GIMP is our product vision. If something helps us fulfil our product vision, we will keep it in GIMP 3.0. If it doesn't, we will remove it. / Martin

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why the Van Gogh filter is still in gimp?

2010-11-13 Thread Bill Skaggs
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Martin Nordholts ense...@gmail.com wrote: You can't know for sure that no one uses this plug-in in some script somewhere, and if we don't have a good reason to break our plug-in API, we don't do it. Impatience is not a good reason :) Here is a better reason,

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why the Van Gogh filter is still in gimp?

2010-11-13 Thread Ofnuts
On 11/14/2010 01:21 AM, Bill Skaggs wrote: In my opinion, there are two plug-ins that have this property: the Van Gogh filter (which has absolutely nothing to do with Van Gogh), and the so-called NL Filter. The NL filter is a different matter. The human factors are abysmal. It should be

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why the Van Gogh filter is still in gimp?

2010-11-12 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 11/12/2010 09:21 AM, Michael Schumacher wrote: What are the requirements for good enough to be included in GIMP 3.0? The only thing that matters when it comes to deciding what to include and what not to include in GIMP is our product vision. If something helps us fulfil our product vision,

[Gimp-developer] Why the Van Gogh filter is still in gimp?

2010-11-11 Thread photocomix
I see the Van Gogh filter is still in gimp, even in the last git and i fear to see it even in next 2.8 I think nobody use it, also because would be close to the impossible do something definite with it: not only is not clear for what is for, but even after reading its help page, remain

Re: [Gimp-developer] Why the Van Gogh filter is still in gimp?

2010-11-11 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 11/12/2010 01:59 AM, photocomix wrote: I see the Van Gogh filter is still in gimp, even in the last git and i fear to see it even in next 2.8 I think nobody use it, also because would be close to the impossible do something definite with it: not only is not clear for what is for, but