Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...
If you can build from source then you are probably more developer than user anyway. This isn't actually so big problem under Redhat 9 or Redhat 7.3 with Ximian Desktop 2. 1. Have proper devel rpms installed. 2. ./configure make 3. su - 4. cd ... 5. make install It doesn't seem so hard to me. But I can say that I wouldn't try to build all the dependency libraries by hand esp. because of the autoconf, libtool upgrade needed. Tom Mraz ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...
On 27 Jul 2003, at 23:00, Patrick McFarland wrote: On 27-Jul-2003, Branko Collin wrote: On 26 Jul 2003, at 18:19, Patrick McFarland wrote: Wrong, Im an artist, and I prefer 1.3 over 1.2. Did you prefer 1.3 in January 2001? Did 1.3 exist in january 2001? As far as I can tell (from the Changelog), yes. The important questions, though, are 'was GIMP 1.2 feature-locked past January 2001?' and 'was GIMP 1.3 at all usable starting January 2003?'. -- branko collin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Wrong terminology in color picker tool
On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 12:53:00PM +0200, Daniel Egger wrote: Hija, I just noticed that GIMP uses the label Radius to describe a slider which is effectivly describing the size of a square area. This seems pretty misleading to me, what about edgelength or alike instead? I think Size would be more convenient, because every tool use size ... Greetings, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: ANNOUNCE: gimp-plugin-template 1.3.1
On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Adam D. Moss wrote: 2) It might be argued that the basic dependance and interconnection of a not-GPL-compatible plug-in with the GPL GIMP core via libgimp and the wire protocol is intimate enough that the two cannot be considered independent and separate works. (Yeah, really.) From my reading of the exogen---oh, I don't know how to spell that word--of the GPL, that is mitigated by the fact that there exist (existed?) programs other than gimp that can use gimp plugins. Rockwalrus ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: ANNOUNCE: gimp-plugin-template 1.3.1
Nathan Carl Summers wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Adam D. Moss wrote: 2) It might be argued that the basic dependance and interconnection of a not-GPL-compatible plug-in with the GPL GIMP core via libgimp and the wire protocol is intimate enough that the two cannot be considered independent and separate works. (Yeah, really.) From my reading of the exogen---oh, I don't know how to spell that word--of the GPL, that is mitigated by the fact that there exist (existed?) programs other than gimp that can use gimp plugins. Personally, I agree that this would be a strong argument 'in court'. But there's still no need to have any ambiguity at all. --Adam -- Adam D. Moss . ,,^^ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.foxbox.org/ co:3 ...I generally use sea salt but you can get fancy with Celtic or ghetto with table white... ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] writing german online help
On Sunday 27 July 2003 3:13 pm, Daniel Egger wrote: - I'm not sure which article to use for GIMP in German so I normally don't write one. A male article sounds more strange than none at all but if we can find a good ruling -- all the better. In Portuguese, the current use is for a male article - and trying making it female would be pretty bizarre. As fa as I can recall, all computer prograns or aplications are refered as male here. But anyway, many words have their genders swapped between German and Portuguese anyway. JS -- -- ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...
Hi, Austin Donnelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So is the current 1.3.x build environment documented in the HACKING file (or elsewhere)? I'm guessing that the file is probably out of date, or lacking things. It is documented in INSTALL, I don't think it is missing things and it certainly is not out-of-date. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...
Hi, Alastair Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's only recently I've installed GTK2 and got the PangoFT2 bits working - and it is a laborious and painful process. Could you please explain what's so painful about it? Almost all distributions include packages for it for quite some time already and even compiling from source is pretty much straight-forward. Please note that during the 1.3 development process we did never depend on the very latest versions of the required libraries. We always assured that even debian testing which is a very conservative distribution has the packages available that are needed to build GIMP-1.3. If we decided to change our dependencies to a newer version, we always checked if this is really necessary. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] writing german online help
Am Mon, 2003-07-28 um 17.47 schrieb Joao S. O. Bueno: In Portuguese, the current use is for a male article - and trying making it female would be pretty bizarre. As fa as I can recall, all computer prograns or aplications are refered as male here. But anyway, many words have their genders swapped between German and Portuguese anyway. I'm pretty confident that die GIMP (female) is wrong, it's either der GIMP (male) or das GIMP (no gender). I'd say it is das GIMP because the P stands for program which has no gender and for acronyms typically the last word determines the gender. However since no article is not a problem at all in most cases I'd rather go with this -- Servus, Daniel signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: [Gimp-developer] writing german online help
On 28 Jul 2003, Daniel Egger wrote: Date: 28 Jul 2003 18:52:41 +0200 From: Daniel Egger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joao S. O. Bueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] writing german online help Am Mon, 2003-07-28 um 17.47 schrieb Joao S. O. Bueno: In Portuguese, the current use is for a male article - and trying making it female would be pretty bizarre. As fa as I can recall, all computer prograns or aplications are refered as male here. But anyway, many words have their genders swapped between German and Portuguese anyway. I'm pretty confident that die GIMP (female) is wrong, it's either der GIMP (male) or das GIMP (no gender). I'd say it is das GIMP because the P stands for program which has no gender and for acronyms typically the last word determines the gender. However since no article is not a problem at all in most cases I'd rather go with this Foreign words generally use Das if i recall correctly. Does German have a translation or share the word for the other type of Gimp? :) -- Alan ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp, docbook or apple trees, fruit or seeds
On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 02:07, Daniel Egger wrote: But this it what it looks like after the transformation: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/devel/gimp-help-2/help/C/plainhtml$ ls ch01.html ch03s04.html ch03s09.html ch03s14.html gimp-help-plain.css ch02.html ch03s05.html ch03s10.html ch03s15.html go01.html ch03.html ch03s06.html ch03s11.html ch03s16.html index.html ch03s02.html ch03s07.html ch03s12.html ch04.html ch03s03.html ch03s08.html ch03s13.html ch04s02.html I remember using something like the following to use the ids as filenames once: (define %use-id-as-filename% #t) The help browser could then check if the id as requested by the GIMP exists and if not, it could show a default page asking the user to write up some documentation. Don't know if that helps... Just an idea. Sincerely, ./Brix -- Henrik Brix Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...
Hi Sven, On Monday 28 July 2003 4:55 pm, Sven Neumann wrote: Could you please explain what's so painful about it? Almost all distributions include packages for it for quite some time already and even compiling from source is pretty much straight-forward. OK, maybe painful was an exaggeration; really it was just time-consuming; I'm using SuSE 8.0, and don't have -devel packages for even gtk+-1.2 packages on the original CDs. The point I was trying to make was that needing full devel packages for all of the GTK2 stuff, including Pango-FT2 (and hence FreeType itself and Xft2/FontConfig) does constitute a barrier-to-entry (especially with a 56K dialup net connection), and is not something I'd go through just to play with the latest version of one particular app. Doing it for a specific purpose (i.e. adapting my patch for the latest version of GIMP) is a different matter entirely, but in the first instance a patch will be developed because someone saw a need in a piece of software they were using - and in most cases that will be the Stable version. The release of 2.0 will make a big difference, because binary packages will become standard in distributions, so people will be using 2.0 when they recognise a particular need... Please note that during the 1.3 development process we did never depend on the very latest versions of the required libraries. We always assured that even debian testing which is a very conservative distribution has the packages available that are needed to build GIMP-1.3. If we decided to change our dependencies to a newer version, we always checked if this is really necessary. Yes, I wasn't complaining of bleeding-edge requirements as such - merely attempting to explain a phenomenon that had been noted, and to which I had contributed :) Ultimately though, GTK2 build environments are still not as common as GTK1 build environments, so for many people, building the stable version is less hassle. All the best, -- Alastair M. Robinson Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Amount of pizza eaten each day in the U.S.: 75 acres. -- Harper's Magazine ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp, docbook or apple trees, fruit or seeds
Am Die, 2003-07-29 um 00.07 schrieb Henrik Brix Andersen: I remember using something like the following to use the ids as filenames once: (define %use-id-as-filename% #t) Yeah, this is what we did years back with DocBook/SGML and DSSSL stylesheets. :) The help browser could then check if the id as requested by the GIMP exists and if not, it could show a default page asking the user to write up some documentation. This was really a PITA to use because we had no control over the generated files. -- Servus, Daniel signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: [Gimp-developer] gimpwin32-io.h
On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 00:30, Hans Breuer wrote: 2003-07-27 Henrik Brix Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] * app/base/tile-swap.c: re-added fallback definitions for _O_BINARY and _O_TEMPORARY Are there other platforms which do miss these defines? Which one? [If there are and the header should nake up some general lossage it definitely should _not_ be called gimpwin32-io.h.] Removing the fallback definitions broke compilation on at least one platform, namely GNU/Linux which doesn't define _O_BINARY and/or _O_TEMPORARY. Most likely other unix-like platforms where affected as well. Simon Budig digged a bit in the archives of gimp-developer and came up with the following URL: http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/lists/gimp-developer/1999-September/13.html Hopefully the above link clarifies things a bit, else we may need Tor to explain why the extra flags are needed for the call to open() on win32. Sincerely, ./Brix -- Henrik Brix Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...
Hi, Patrick McFarland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: to that, having editable font boxen is very nice. (Though, Id like a way to force it to be a rendered layer, because when you change the layer, and accidently edit the layer's text, it erases everything you did.) Yes, we should probably have Convert to Pixels for text layers. Since internally we wouldn't really convert, should we perhaps even stick a Convert to Text Layer menu entry to any ex-text-layer so it can be converted back if necessary? Of course the problem you mention will become be a lot less severe as soon as undo for text operations is properly working. I wouldn't mind if you or someone else filed bug-reports for these two issues... Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Wrong terminology in color picker tool
Hi, Daniel Egger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just noticed that GIMP uses the label Radius to describe a slider which is effectivly describing the size of a square area. This seems pretty misleading to me, what about edgelength or alike instead? Are you refering to the GimpColorTools here? (Derivatives of GimpColorTool are all the color correction tools as well as the paint tools.) You are right that we are using a square area here but since the value in question describes the half width of the square, radius seems appropriate. But since the code for color-picking is now finally in a single place, we could change it to use and preview a circle. Would that make sense? Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...
Am Die, 2003-07-29 um 01.06 schrieb Alastair Robinson: OK, maybe painful was an exaggeration; really it was just time-consuming; I'm using SuSE 8.0, and don't have -devel packages for even gtk+-1.2 packages on the original CDs. Interesting, I'm pretty sure I put the devel packages on the CD. Is this personal or professional and if the latter CD or DVD? Have you tried the ftp sources? -- Servus, Daniel signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: [Gimp-developer] Wrong terminology in color picker tool
Am Die, 2003-07-29 um 02.14 schrieb Sven Neumann: Are you refering to the GimpColorTools here? (Derivatives of GimpColorTool are all the color correction tools as well as the paint tools.) You are right that we are using a square area here but since the value in question describes the half width of the square, radius seems appropriate. Interesting. :) But since the code for color-picking is now finally in a single place, we could change it to use and preview a circle. Would that make sense? I'd display whatever is used to sample the image. I tried to figure out whether the colorpicker is really using a square or a circle to sample the color information and it occured to me that it really uses all pixels within the square not just those within a virtual circle contained in the square. I guess I don't really understand your question. Do you want to know whether it makes sense to display the shape actually used for sampling or whether to use a circle instead of a square? I'd say: Make the shape configurable and always display the correct one in the image. -- Servus, Daniel signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...
On 29-Jul-2003, Sven Neumann wrote: Yes, we should probably have Convert to Pixels for text layers. Since internally we wouldn't really convert, should we perhaps even stick a Convert to Text Layer menu entry to any ex-text-layer so it can be converted back if necessary? Actually, you probably should really convert. Convert to Pixels would infact destroy the text object, and make it a real image. And of course, while destroying the text object, you can no longer edit the text. -- Patrick Diablo-D3 McFarland || [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music. -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989 ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Grain modes are just the beginning - was McFarland's Re: StartupNotification support...
As we say in my land, her e I come selling my fish again. :-) Back to the Custom Layer Mode. On Saturday 26 July 2003 9:44 pm, Patrick McFarland wrote: Also, the additional layer blending modes are nice. Ive used both Grain modes already in some images, and they are nice additions to plain Addition and Subtraction. So...just wait until the custom layer modes are put to work in a usable way. :-) You will just love it. Unfortunatelly I got a new project at work and will have even less time to write it. So it will probably not get ready to feature freeze. :-( Not final use ready, but maybe it gets working sans a good UI. Under the custom layer mode, one would not have to wait for a GIMP major release to get the grain modes. For example, this is the line in current gimp code that does the merge mode : sum = src1[b] + src2[b] - 128; It will be doable by typing: ED = E1 + E2 -0.5; as the custom layer mode. (E stands for every channel. A is already used for alpha - I myself dislike the every, and will accept other suggestions) The advantadges? Even the above formula throws information away - it kees a better average than ADD layer mode. With the custom layer mode, you willbe able to adjust the cnstante factor for every layer on every image. Thus if it is too light, with large white only areas, one will just have to edit the layer mode expression from the above to: ED = E1 + E2 -0.7; , for instance. Cheers, JS -- ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...
On 29-Jul-2003, Sven Neumann wrote: I wouldn't mind if you or someone else filed bug-reports for these two issues... The Convert To Pixels bug is here: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118547 -- Patrick Diablo-D3 McFarland || [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music. -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989 ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
