Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-05 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
Hi, On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 10:01, Dave Neary wrote: > Daniel Rogers wrote: > > And if you are not a non-profit you need to pay > > taxes, wether or not you make money. (and if GIMP joins GNOME and > > abandons TGF, I'm the one that has to pay the 800 dollar minimum tax, I > > might add). > > I

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-04 Thread Kelly Martin
Daniel Rogers wrote: Dave neary and I talked to Tim Ney about this. There is goign to be a small cut taken by TGF. It is very close to the lower end of your range, but I won't know specifically until the board approves the number (which they are supposed to do soon). Another matter you should

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-04 Thread Daniel Rogers
Kelly Martin wrote: I'd be very surprised if the GNOME Foundation passed along *all* funds untouched donated with a simple earmark for the GIMP to the GIMP people; I would fully expect them to take an "administrative fee" of between 5% and 50% (maybe even more). You might want to have an agre

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-04 Thread Daniel Rogers
Daniel Rogers wrote: Dave neary and I talked to Tim Ney about this. There is goign to be a small cut taken by TGF. It is very close to the lower end of your range, but I won't know specifically until the board approves the number (which they are supposed to do soon). I should stop abbreviatin

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-04 Thread Kelly Martin
Daniel Rogers wrote: No no, I'm talking about general funds. Not sure if GNOME would withhold funds specifically given to us, that is a slighly different situation. I am talking about funding from GNOME's general pool of funds. Also, I don't actually expect them to do something like this. GN

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-04 Thread Daniel Rogers
Branko Collin wrote: On 3 May 2004, at 9:05, Daniel Rogers wrote: Above all, everyone should know you are a volunteer. And as long as you are a volunteer, noone can tell you to do anything. The law can. The GPL has this nice provision stating that, since we're all volunteers and we're giving

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-04 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Nathan Carl Summers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It should be pointed out that Sven is our main point of contact > between GTK and GIMP, so I'm sure he's much more aware of the > continuing interaction between the two projects. I'd say the main contact and the one who writes the most patche

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-04 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, "Branko Collin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 3 May 2004, at 12:51, Sven Neumann wrote: > > > Every time we port GIMP to new features of the GIMP toolkit I > > get the strong impression that we are the first using the new > > API. > > Is this phenomenon constricted to GTK? No, but we

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-04 Thread Branko Collin
On 3 May 2004, at 12:51, Sven Neumann wrote: > Every time we port GIMP to new features of the GIMP toolkit I > get the strong impression that we are the first using the new > API. Is this phenomenon constricted to GTK? -- branko collin [EMAIL PROTECTED] __

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-04 Thread Branko Collin
On 3 May 2004, at 9:05, Daniel Rogers wrote: > Sven Neumann wrote: > > > It's not that we wouldn't put a lot of effort into making GIMP work > > well on a GNOME desktop. Adhering to FreeDesktop standards is one of > > our goals and we are even working towards full GNOME HIG compliance. > > The onl

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-03 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Nathan Carl Summers wrote: On Sat, 1 May 2004, David Neary wrote: Are there any people opposed to closer ties with the GNOME Foundation? I don't see any reason why we can't do both: work closely with the GNOME Foundation now, while the GIMP Foundation is getting off the ground, and then contin

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-03 Thread Nathan Carl Summers
On Sat, 1 May 2004, David Neary wrote: > Hi all, > > Myself and Dan Rogers will be meeting with someone from the GNOME > Foundation this week with the intention of having greater > co-operation with them on things like money. > > For the moment, I am working under the supposition that the best > o

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-03 Thread Nathan Carl Summers
On 3 May 2004, Sven Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > There are only a very small number of people who really believe this > > to be still the case. It may still be called the GIMP Toolkit (but > > more & more I've heard it called the GNOME Toolkit), but that

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-03 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Michael Schumacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thne fears that I - as a Win32 user - have are that by moving closer > to GNOME, GIMP might become too linux-centric. If those fears are > unjustified, I'd be glad to presented the facts that render them > invalid. No facts, but since GIMP wor

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-03 Thread Michael Schumacher
Daniel Rogers wrote: David Neary wrote: Are there any people opposed to closer ties with the GNOME Foundation? Well, GIMP is not part of GNOME, and this assertion was made repeatedly over the years. Apart from labeling GIMP more of a GNOME program, I wouldn't oppose (but I don't count much anyway

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-03 Thread Daniel Rogers
Sven Neumann wrote: It's not that we wouldn't put a lot of effort into making GIMP work well on a GNOME desktop. Adhering to FreeDesktop standards is one of our goals and we are even working towards full GNOME HIG compliance. The only things we really want to avoid is to be forced to do any of th

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-03 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Daniel Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > See the problem I see with the GINPOG attitude and joining GNOME is > that we are saying we are willing to take your money and your time and > your developers, but we are not willing to actually show any support > for you in any way. It's kinda dat

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-03 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > There are only a very small number of people who really believe this > to be still the case. It may still be called the GIMP Toolkit (but > more & more I've heard it called the GNOME Toolkit), but that is a > historical nod. The GIMP Toolkit is less a

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-03 Thread Branko Collin
On 2 May 2004, at 23:24, Carol Spears wrote: > not using doc format was a really good suggestion, The solutions mankind has come up with to increase readability are diverse, and range from using open document formats to using capitals at the beginning of sentences and for the word 'I'. I recom

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-03 Thread Dave Neary
Carol Spears wrote: On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 08:04:04PM +0200, David Neary wrote: (we use their toolkit and infrastructure, a few years ago they used to use our toolkit), did the name change? as far as i know it is still the gimp tool kit. There are only a very small number of people who really b

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-03 Thread Dave Neary
Hi Dan, Daniel Rogers wrote: And if you are not a non-profit you need to pay taxes, wether or not you make money. (and if GIMP joins GNOME and abandons TGF, I'm the one that has to pay the 800 dollar minimum tax, I might add). I think that everyone should pool in together to pay this. I have a

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-02 Thread Carol Spears
On Sat, May 01, 2004 at 05:56:43PM +0100, Adam D. Moss wrote: > (we've enjoyed peripheral use of some of their services > such as CVS for a while). > my personal experience with gnome cvs is really bad. i am paraphrasing one of the developers i have a great deal of respect for (paraphrasing since

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-02 Thread Carol Spears
On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 08:04:04PM +0200, David Neary wrote: > > (we use their toolkit and > infrastructure, a few years ago they used to use our toolkit), did the name change? as far as i know it is still the gimp tool kit. some of you have children. can you imagine asking them for money? i

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-02 Thread Daniel Rogers
David Neary wrote: Are there any people opposed to closer ties with the GNOME Foundation? Well, GIMP is not part of GNOME, and this assertion was made repeatedly over the years. Apart from labeling GIMP more of a GNOME program, I wouldn't oppose (but I don't count much anyway :) I know, We could

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-02 Thread David Neary
Hi, Marc A. Lehmann wrote: > On Sat, May 01, 2004 at 06:06:54PM +0200, David Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For the moment, I am working under the supposition that the best > > option available to us is to join the GNOME Foundation. That > > means that when we do fundraising, the donations

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-02 Thread pcg
On Sat, May 01, 2004 at 06:06:54PM +0200, David Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For the moment, I am working under the supposition that the best > option available to us is to join the GNOME Foundation. That > means that when we do fundraising, the donations would go to the > GNOME Foundation, a

Re: [Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-01 Thread Adam D. Moss
David Neary wrote: Are there any people opposed to closer ties with the GNOME Foundation? As long as GIMP wouldn't be in a rush to / obligated to subscribe to their apalling standards of slaphappy dead-end over-engineering and 1991-shareware approach to user interface standards then I think it make

[Gimp-developer] Joining the GNOME Foundation

2004-05-01 Thread David Neary
Hi all, Myself and Dan Rogers will be meeting with someone from the GNOME Foundation this week with the intention of having greater co-operation with them on things like money. For the moment, I am working under the supposition that the best option available to us is to join the GNOME Foundation