Re: [Gimp-developer] EXIF information in JPEG files

2002-02-06 Thread Raphael Quinet
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Dave Neary wrote: > Raphael wrote: > > There are several reasons for using individual parasites for each > > part of the EXIF data instead of using a single parasite including > > the whole structure: > > [snipped points] > > Your points all have merit. My problem is no

Re: [Gimp-developer] EXIF information in JPEG files

2002-02-06 Thread Adam D. Moss
Raphael Quinet wrote: > The only thing that is missing is a standard list of names and types > for all parasites. {docs|devel-docs}/parasites.txt ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-devel

[Gimp-developer] How's CVS-HEAD?

2002-02-06 Thread Adam D. Moss
Is it pretty much definitely compilable and runnable by mortals right now (funtionality aside)? What additions have there been to the list of **essential** build libs/components since 1.2.x? I ask because I want to get this rgb->indexed rewrite out of my tree before it rots even further and I'd

Re: [Gimp-developer] EXIF information in JPEG files

2002-02-06 Thread Dave Neary
Raphael wrote: > On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Dave Neary wrote: > > Your points all have merit. My problem is now, and has always been, > > that a parasite per piece of data would mean adding an extra 50 or 60 > > parasites which would be relatively persistent. That makes things > > pretty complicated,

Re: [Gimp-developer] EXIF information in JPEG files

2002-02-06 Thread Raphael Quinet
On Wed, 06 Feb 2002, Adam D. Moss wrote: > Raphael Quinet wrote: > > The only thing that is missing is a standard list of names and types > > for all parasites. > > {docs|devel-docs}/parasites.txt Err... Right. I knew that the file existed (I took a look at it the last time we discussed th

Re: [Gimp-developer] How's CVS-HEAD?

2002-02-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, "Adam D. Moss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is it pretty much definitely compilable and runnable by > mortals right now (funtionality aside)? What additions > have there been to the list of **essential** build libs/components > since 1.2.x? yes, it should compile. As usual the files HACKI

Re: [Gimp-developer] EXIF information in JPEG files

2002-02-06 Thread Adam D. Moss
Raphael Quinet wrote: > But it needs to be extended with all the names of the EXIF parasites. > So I will try to do that this week. Basically, I think that it would > be enough to use the name "gimp-blah" for each "blah" field of the > EXIF data and simply copy the descriptions given in the EXIF

Re: [Gimp-developer] EXIF information in JPEG files

2002-02-06 Thread Raphael Quinet
On Wed, 06 Feb 2002, Dave Neary wrote: > Parasite naming is non-standard. Anyone can create a parasite with any > name they want. [...] > Where *is* the list of parasites? There are only (as you point out) > about 10 persistent parasites, and the list isn't maintained anywhere. > One possibl

Re: [Gimp-developer] EXIF information in JPEG files

2002-02-06 Thread Lutz Müller
On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 14:50, Raphael Quinet wrote: > The only > thing that should be checked is the usage of the "gimp-*" names, which > should have a pre-defined name and type. There are currently only one or two pre-defined names and types that relate to EXIF data. Once you have defined the par

Re: [Gimp-developer] EXIF information in JPEG files

2002-02-06 Thread Raphael Quinet
On Tue, 06 Feb 2002, Adam D. Moss wrote: > Raphael Quinet wrote: > > > But it needs to be extended with all the names of the EXIF parasites. > > So I will try to do that this week. Basically, I think that it would > > be enough to use the name "gimp-blah" for each "blah" field of the > > EX

Re: [Gimp-developer] EXIF information in JPEG files

2002-02-06 Thread Nick Lamb
http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~njl98r/chocbox1.png http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~njl98r/chocbox2.png A potential UI for a textual metadata editor using Dublin Core's element names (and of course internally it could use any parasite names that were deemed fit, but since parasite names are arbitrary tex

Re: [Gimp-developer] EXIF information in JPEG files

2002-02-06 Thread Adam D. Moss
Raphael Quinet wrote: > > Also fair enough, though I'd consider prefixing these with exif- > > or similar to avoid polluting gimp-* forever. > > If I am still following you correctly, this means that all parts of > the EXIF data that should not be persistent Sorry, I wasn't clear -- I wasn't r

Re: [Gimp-developer] EXIF information in JPEG files

2002-02-06 Thread Lutz Müller
On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 16:06, Raphael Quinet wrote: > Thanks. I will have a look at it as soon as possible. But as I wrote > previously and as Dave agreed, it would probably make more sense to > merge this code directly into the JPEG plug-in instead of requiring an > additional library. As this

Re: [Gimp-developer] EXIF information in JPEG files

2002-02-06 Thread Dave Neary
Nick Lamb wrote: > One thing I can't seem to find out (maybe I'm looking in the wrong place) > is whether EXIF data is supposed to follow derived works or not. Some > contributors to this thread seemed to feel that it was important that > a Gimp image must always preserve the EXIF data, but this w

Re: [Gimp-developer] EXIF information in JPEG files

2002-02-06 Thread Dave Neary
Raphael wrote: > On Wed, 06 Feb 2002, Dave Neary wrote: > > Where *is* the list of parasites? There are only (as you point out) > > about 10 persistent parasites, and the list isn't maintained anywhere. > > OK, so now the problem is clear: we need a way to enforce some > consistency for the name

Re: [Gimp-developer] How's CVS-HEAD?

2002-02-06 Thread Adam D. Moss
Sven Neumann wrote: > yes, it should compile. As usual the files HACKING and INSTALL mention > the build requirements. In particular these are: [snip] Thanks. Well, 6 hours later I have gimp 1.3 built! Yay! Naturally, it crashes on startup. Boo! After trying to 'ok' the second page of the gim

Re: [Gimp-developer] How's CVS-HEAD?

2002-02-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi Adam, "Adam D. Moss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thanks. Well, 6 hours later I have gimp 1.3 built! Yay! > Naturally, it crashes on startup. Boo! After trying to > 'ok' the second page of the gimp user installation wizard > I get this: > mct:~> gimp-1.3 > gimp-1.3: fatal error: Segmenta

Re: [Gimp-developer] EXIF information in JPEG files

2002-02-06 Thread Nathan C Summers
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Nick Lamb wrote: > http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~njl98r/chocbox2.png ^^^ Looks very nice, but please, please call the last field "Copyright" instead of "Digital Rights Management." Rockwlrs

Re: [Gimp-developer] EXIF information in JPEG files

2002-02-06 Thread Nathan C Summers
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Dave Neary wrote: > If we go with the more generic "metadata" option, then we would have > the option of gimp-metadata-*. But that's minutiae at the moment. Isn't the fact that it's a parasite "metadata-y" enough? I suppose it's possible to attach a parasite to an image for

Re: [Gimp-developer] EXIF information in JPEG files

2002-02-06 Thread pcg
On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 02:17:21PM +0100, Raphael Quinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > EXIF data and simply copy the descriptions given in the EXIF standard. > Some of the fields will have to be discarded (or set read-only or not > persistent) because they only make sense for the original file form

Re: [Gimp-developer] EXIF information in JPEG files

2002-02-06 Thread pcg
On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 02:11:28PM +0100, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Parasite naming is non-standard. Anyone can create a parasite with any > name they want. Untrue. Names beginning with "gimp-" are well-defined as belonging to the core. The gimp itself must, at one point, know how t

Re: [Gimp-developer] EXIF information in JPEG files

2002-02-06 Thread pcg
On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 03:41:17PM +0100, Lutz Müller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It would be _really_ easy if you used the tag names for those parasites, > i.e. gimp-exif-FillOrder or gimp-exif-SpectralSensitivity. while i am not strictly opposed, these names are very ugly. more important, th

Re: [Gimp-developer] EXIF information in JPEG files

2002-02-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann )> writes: > But parasites _is_ one metadata structure. I don't see why nesting etadata > structures inside each other is a good thing - to me it only complicates > things. parasites were created for metadata. If they don't work well > enough for that