Re: [Gimp-developer] proposal for better status bar messages (long)

2006-06-26 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 11:49 -0700, Carol Spears wrote: > what is the purpose of a toggle that says "Background"? There is no toggle that says "Background" in the options of this tool. That's why I will not try to answer the rest of your mail. You would better look at the tool options again a

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposal for better status bar messages (long)

2006-06-23 Thread Gerald Friedland
Hi David! > As far as I know, foreground and background are still objectively different from the computer's point of view and our point of view; they have different characteristics. A background tends to > be less detailed than a foreground; also, the definition of background is further muddied

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposal for better status bar messages (long)

2006-06-23 Thread Carol Spears
On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 03:27:19PM +0200, Gerald Friedland wrote: > > I do not quite understand your problems. I am an aloof developer who > has serious problems to understand user's problems. Please help me > out, maybe I am misunderstanding something? So please do not get me > wrong here. > he

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposal for better status bar messages (long)

2006-06-23 Thread David Gowers
.. I replied to the wrong address again; argh.On 6/24/06, David Gowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/23/06, Gerald Friedland < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I do not quite understand your problems.  I am an aloof developer whohas serious problems to understand user's problems. Please help me out, may

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposal for better status bar messages (long)

2006-06-23 Thread Gerald Friedland
> I guessed from what Sven said, inverting the image colors first might help, and I was right. > I made my second try by: > > * Inverting the image > * Selecting the entire image in the initial 'lasso' pass. > * Disabling 'Contiguous' > * Setting L,a,b sensitivity to 0,707,555 respectively. (a,b w

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposal for better status bar messages (long)

2006-06-23 Thread David Gowers
... AARRGH. Accidentally sent this to Sven instead of the list! Sorry Sven.On 6/23/06, David Gowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The tool only does foreground extraction (hence its name). There's no toggle that would turn it into a background extraction tool. Makes sense, actually -- the characteri

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposal for better status bar messages (long)

2006-06-21 Thread Sven Neumann
On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 15:36 -0700, Carol Spears wrote: > i really tried to use siox this weekend. it is so confusing, i have no > idea what to expect from it or if what happened to me was a bug. > > the default is foreground extraction. i wanted it to background extract > and toggled this tool

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposal for better status bar messages (long)

2006-06-21 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 00:08 +0200, Raphaël Quinet wrote: > Anyway, my main argument is that it would be more consistent with the > other tools: the other selection tools, the transform tools and the > zoom tool only consider the state of the modifiers before the first > click. Subsequent cha

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposal for better status bar messages (long)

2006-06-21 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 12:09 +0930, David Gowers wrote: > It looks like there is a bug in the SIOX tool/gui that causes it to > return to the foreground setting unexpectedly, until the Control key > is first pressed, then it works as expected. That's not a bug. You cannot mark background unle

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposal for better status bar messages (long)

2006-06-21 Thread Carol Spears
On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 12:09:24PM +0930, David Gowers wrote: > On 6/22/06, Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >http://carol.gimp.org/bikeshed/images/screenshot-2006-06-21.png > well, i did not use the tool on that image. that image is my desktop and what is wrong with some of the thir

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposal for better status bar messages (long)

2006-06-21 Thread David Gowers
On 6/22/06, Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://carol.gimp.org/bikeshed/images/screenshot-2006-06-21.png Okay. It looks like there is a bug in the SIOX tool/gui that causes it to return to the foreground setting unexpectedly, until the Control key is first pressed, then it works as expe

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposal for better status bar messages (long)

2006-06-21 Thread Carol Spears
On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 03:36:53PM -0700, Carol Spears wrote: > > also, the tooltips are popping up some freaking huge tool tips. it is > the long help that is in the script-fu? i think it was some of the > third party scripts i have installed that were doing this -- i did not > find it at all h

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposal for better status bar messages (long)

2006-06-21 Thread Michael Schumacher
Carol Spears wrote: > it would not stay toggled and it seemed to be blind to the colors no > matter what values i gave it. it only selected what i selected which, i > could have used quickmask for and it would have been a lot less toggling > and such. > > is the tool broken or are my expectation

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposal for better status bar messages (long)

2006-06-21 Thread Carol Spears
On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 12:08:34AM +0200, Rapha?l Quinet wrote: > > Anyway, my main argument is that it would be more consistent with the > other tools: the other selection tools, the transform tools and the > zoom tool only consider the state of the modifiers before the first > click. Subsequent

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposal for better status bar messages (long)

2006-06-21 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:45:55 +0200, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 21:22 +0200, Raphaël Quinet wrote: > > [...] However, for > > greater consistency with other tools I think that it would be better > > to consider the state of the modifiers _before_ the first click >

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposal for better status bar messages (long)

2006-06-21 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 21:22 +0200, Raphaël Quinet wrote: > Here is a proposal for improving the messages that are shown in the > status bar. Such messages would be very useful for describing some > hidden features of the paint tools (bug #124040) but also for the > other tools. > > Basically

[Gimp-developer] proposal for better status bar messages (long)

2006-06-21 Thread Raphaël Quinet
Here is a proposal for improving the messages that are shown in the status bar. Such messages would be very useful for describing some hidden features of the paint tools (bug #124040) but also for the other tools. Basically, I followed this approach: anything that causes a tool to change its beha