Re: [Gimp-user] Gimpshop
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 01:01:12AM -0600, Robert Citek wrote: On Feb 28, 2006, at 12:20 AM, Manish Singh wrote: On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 12:01:05AM -0600, Robert Citek wrote: Would you consider Gimpshop a successful fork? Considering Gimpshop can't even keep their own website online, I'd say no. Then why the fuss? The fuss is about the complete half assed nature of it. A successful fork would be better, since a successful fork would maintain its own support resources, like separate mailing lists, a separate bug tracker, separate irc channels... all the stuff mentioned on that producingoss.com site. Forks aren't necessarily bad. All the major Linux distro vendors effectively fork the Linux kernel. But they maintain proper support channels to maintain the fork, and thus polluting the mainline kernel resources isn't much of a problem. Gimpshop slaps the people who know the code of gimp in the face, and then expects gimp.org to take up the slack because they don't know how to properly support a community. I don't see why the animosity is so surprising. BTW, Robert, you have a bad habit of not answering questions posed to you here. I'm going to do the same thing to you, to illustrate how it feels. -Yosh ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimpshop (was: blue + yellow = green)
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 09:24:15AM +0100, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Selon Manish Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For Gimpshop, it was all about forking from the get go. There was no discussion, no proposal in any of the several places to discuss GIMP development. No other possibilities were attempted. Put things in perspective - the guy wrote a patch. It's a couple of hundred lines of a patch, which did something he wanted to do in the easiest way he knew how. He did a grep for labels in the source code, and changed them where he found them. Yes, he could have done it differently, but what he did was useful for a bunch of people, and wasn't acceptable for integration into the main GIMP source code. So I have no problem with him coming out with the patched GIMP under a different name. If it was put in bugzilla, the patch would have been refused, or we would have asked him to work on it. So why worry? I'm happy to see this kind of thing happenning around the GIMP. He didn't change the name even. All the windows still say GIMP. It only adds to the confusion already. Nearly everything about the way Gimpshop came about makes me think is it stupidity, or malice? Rejecting a project community without even trying is *not* the way people should go about things. This is the second time in a week that someone has misrepresented Gimpshop's UI as GIMP. There's already enough misinformation out on the internet, it's deplorable that Gimpshop has worsened the situation. Such behavior should not be encouraged. -Yosh ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimpshop (was: blue + yellow = green)
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 11:48:06AM +0100, Dave Neary wrote: Selon Michael Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Von: Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] If it was put in bugzilla, the patch would have been refused, or we would have asked him to work on it. That's how things are handled in Bugzilla, so what is the problem? The guy scratched an itch. Why should he go to a lot of effort to have that change integrated into GIMP CVS? What's in it for him? He scratched an itch, and moved on. Great! I'm happy for him. Scratched an itch, and caused tons of confusion in a community. Horrible. So why worry? I'm happy to see this kind of thing happenning around the GIMP. We are worried because some people don't make a distinction between Gimpshop and GIMP. And? He changed some labels and shortcuts - is it any less the GIMP for that? I would say no. You'd be wrong. Misinformation about the UI doesn't help anybody. It's not even clear to people that they are using a patched GIMP. Maybe I should take Fedora, rename it Debora, but only on the CD packaging, and rename the rpm command to dpkg, and make 1/2 the command line options to it match dpkg, and maybe changing some help text here and there, and release it as something that eases the transition from Debian to Fedora. And lag a couple months behind Fedora on all bug fixes, so Debora users don't upgrade, even for security critical bugs. Also, push all the support concerns onto Fedora proper, they'd be thrilled to handle it right? And I'm sure Fedora users would love hearing about dpkg on their lists and not be confused at all. I'm scratching an itch. It's all good, right? -Yosh ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Wacom Tablett - copy map from paper (Linux/Ubuntu)
hi, Am Dienstag, den 28.02.2006, 21:11 -0500 schrieb Don Koch: My document has 1000 mm x 1000 mm. You have a 1m x 1m Wacom tablet? And you consider that small? I'm sure that's not what you meant... sorry, that i wasn't clearly enough. I meant the gimp file size File - new - size Why not scan it in? If you don't really want to use the image itself, you can create layer on top of it and trace on that. i have it all ready as bitmap, but the resolution is too slow and i can better trace, if the hand and eye have the same target :-) If you really need to trace it on the wacom, you might want to reduce it on a copier. the printed graphic has the same size, like the wacom, round about 13cm x 9.5cm and that is the problem. the size from the wacom is proportional to the screen resolution. To max the Gimp window is not enough. http://www.clho.net/anime/twelve/12-map.jpg that is the graphic :-) -- Sicherheit verständlich http://www.sides.de GnuPG Key http://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x2A5CE192AB7D3FE0 signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Wacom Tablett - copy map from paper (Linux/Ubuntu)
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:11:19 +0100 Denny Schierz wrote: hi, Am Dienstag, den 28.02.2006, 21:11 -0500 schrieb Don Koch: sorry, that i wasn't clearly enough. I meant the gimp file size File - new - size OK, that makes more sense. Figured it was something like that. ;) Why not scan it in? If you don't really want to use the image itself, you can create layer on top of it and trace on that. i have it all ready as bitmap, but the resolution is too slow and i can better trace, if the hand and eye have the same target :-) Scale the bitmap to the size you want and either create a layer on top and trace the original onto it. If you want to use the original but have it scaled and look nice (not so bitmapped), try playing with the smudge tool. If you have a Wacom tablet, I suggest you learn how to use it with your screen; it's not that hard (and this would be good practice ;) ). http://www.clho.net/anime/twelve/12-map.jpg that is the graphic :-) -d ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Newbie alert - please be gentle!
Afternoon All A newbie to Gimp but wanted to give it a go as I'd heard so many good things about it. Found a basic problem that could stop me using it - but I'm sure it's solvable. I'm running Gimp through X11 on a Mac (running OSX 10.4.5). I keep all my work on a remote file server but the Open dialogue in Gimp doesn't appear to be able to connect to this mounted drive. I may be missing a trick - either through Gimp or in OSX - and would appreciate any help anybody could give. Apologies if this problem is solved in an FAQ, I've had a look but can't see anything relevant. Many thanks in anticipation, Ross ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Newbie alert - please be gentle!
Ross Brown wrote: Afternoon All A newbie to Gimp but wanted to give it a go as I'd heard so many good things about it. Found a basic problem that could stop me using it - but I'm sure it's solvable. I'm running Gimp through X11 on a Mac (running OSX 10.4.5). I keep all my work on a remote file server but the Open dialogue in Gimp doesn't appear to be able to connect to this mounted drive. I may be missing a trick - either through Gimp or in OSX - and would appreciate any help anybody could give. Apologies if this problem is solved in an FAQ, I've had a look but can't see anything relevant. Sorry, newbies are not allowed here. :) Just kidding.. :) Is the problem the mounted drive doesn't appear in the Open dialog or that it does appear and you can't open it? Peace... Tom ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: [GUG] Identifying Fonts
On 3/1/06, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You do not select content on the image, rather the text window dialog pop up with your text in it (and the tool options parameters change for that of the font used in the active layer). But you have a point, the UI should have a way to indicate that, if clicked, the existing text will be edited. Another problem is is that there is no visible indication that a text object is selected. When a text layer is active, the text object is displayed with a box around it, whether it is selected or not. Every time I try to move a text object, 75% of the time I end up moving the underlying canvas, and I have to keep undoing and clicking on the text object until I succeed in selecting *just it*. I go through this every time I create text, since inevitably the text is not positioned where I want it when I first add it. -- Colin Brace Amsterdam ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Newbie alert - please be gentle!
Sorry, newbies are not allowed here. Right, I'll take my Mac and wipe my tears then... Just kidding.. :) Thank God for that! Is the problem the mounted drive doesn't appear in the Open dialog or that it does appear and you can't open it? The mounted drive doesn't appear in the Open dialogue (you say dialog, I say dialogue... let's call the whole thing off) and the permanent links to the relevant folders (essentially the Work folder on the remote server) isn't recognised as a symlink. Peace... Cheers! RB ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Newbie alert - please be gentle!
Am 01.03.2006 um 20:02 schrieb Ross Brown: Sorry, newbies are not allowed here. Right, I'll take my Mac and wipe my tears then... Just kidding.. :) Thank God for that! Yeah, you should be - not everybody has as much luck as you did ;) Is the problem the mounted drive doesn't appear in the Open dialog or that it does appear and you can't open it? The mounted drive doesn't appear in the Open dialogue (you say dialog, I say dialogue... let's call the whole thing off) and the permanent links to the relevant folders (essentially the Work folder on the remote server) isn't recognised as a symlink. so where did you search? The right place would be /Volumes/ nameOfTheMountedVolume. If you can't navigate to that place for some reason you can enter the path directly to the text field in the GIMP open file dialog. Hope that helps lexA running Mac OS 10.4.5 @ intel Peace... Cheers! RB ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user --- Live is like a chocolate box, you never know what you wanna get... GPG Signatur auf http://wernicke-online.net/Impressum/ prüfen PGP.sig Description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Newbie alert - please be gentle!
so where did you search? The right place would be /Volumes/ nameOfTheMountedVolume. If you can't navigate to that place for some reason you can enter the path directly to the text field in the GIMP open file dialog. Aha! (sort of). Found it but it wasn't *that* simple... Open | Filesystem | Volumes | Name of volume Makes perfect sense now I know - but couldn't access the mounted drives/machines either through Open | Filesystem | Network | Name of network machine/volume or Open | Desktop | Name of symlink Think it was caution at not wanting to break something, especially when running Gimp through X11. Hope that helps Got me thinking about how to find Volumes so, yes, thanks. RB running Mac OS 10.4.5 @ intel Show off! :-) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: [GUG] Identifying Fonts
2006.03.01 20:53, Colin Brace rašo: Another problem is is that there is no visible indication that a text object is selected. When a text layer is active, the text object is displayed with a box around it, whether it is selected or not. Every time I try to move a text object, 75% of the time I end up moving the underlying canvas, and I have to keep undoing and clicking on the text object until I succeed in selecting *just it*. I go through this every time I create text, since inevitably the text is not positioned where I want it when I first add it. You can move text layer with move layer tool - keyboard shortcut is M. You have to point at text layer's content - namely letters. Then cursor from pointing finger changes to cursor with 4-sided arrow (if text layer is not selected in Layers tab, then pointer with 4-sided arrow changes to pointing finger) and you can move layer whereever you like. Zooming in picture should help you pick letters in text layer. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Newbie alert - please be gentle!
On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 17:24 +, Ross Brown wrote: Afternoon All A newbie to Gimp but wanted to give it a go as I'd heard so many good things about it. Found a basic problem that could stop me using it - but I'm sure it's solvable. I'm running Gimp through X11 on a Mac (running OSX 10.4.5). I keep all my work on a remote file server but the Open dialogue in Gimp doesn't appear to be able to connect to this mounted drive. Hi. If it's mounted, it's likely accessible as /Volumes/name_of_volume which is the default location where os X mounts stuff. cheers -- Jakub Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell, Inc. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Gimp development
Hello,I'm an occasional Gimp user and prefessional graphic designer. I was wondering where and how do I get involved with user-interface development. I have several ideas that I think would better the experience. I'm planning on writing a longer article about usability for osnews.com and part of that is talking about Gimp. However I didn't want any criticism I make to suggest I have any hostility torwards the community or the project. And considering people's sentiment's torwards Gimpshop, I think it'd be best if I go about this the right way, by speaking to the development team and community first. Thanks,Paulopenartist.net ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: [GUG] Identifying Fonts
On Wednesday 01 March 2006 03:53 pm, Colin Brace wrote: On 3/1/06, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You do not select content on the image, rather the text window dialog pop up with your text in it (and the tool options parameters change for that of the font used in the active layer). But you have a point, the UI should have a way to indicate that, if clicked, the existing text will be edited. Another problem is is that there is no visible indication that a text object is selected. When a text layer is active, the text object is displayed with a box around it, whether it is selected or not. Every time I try to move a text object, 75% of the time I end up moving the underlying canvas, and I have to keep undoing and clicking on the text object until I succeed in selecting *just it*. I go through this every time I create text, since inevitably the text is not positioned where I want it when I first add it. That is easy: hold shift while using the move tool. That will make the GIMP pick the active layer, regardless of where you click. -- Colin Brace Amsterdam ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimpshop (was: blue + yellow = green)
On Wednesday 01 March 2006 06:01, Manish Singh wrote: Scratched an itch, and caused tons of confusion in a community. Horrible. Oh well, it's done. Bitching now isn't helping, so why not try to resolve the situation? ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimpshop
On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 08:39:41PM -0500, Brendan wrote: On Wednesday 01 March 2006 05:46, Manish Singh wrote: Gimpshop slaps the people who know the code of gimp in the face, and then expects gimp.org to take up the slack because they don't know how to properly support a community. I don't see why the animosity is so surprising. Because Gimshop has generated more excitement than the Gimp ever has and certain people might be a little ruffled? Perhaps because Gimpshop fulfills a need that has been ignored for a long time? Artists get used to a tool and they don't want to learn a new one. Photoshop is usually that tool, fortunately or unfortunately. It's a shame that Gimpshop as a project isn't really much in the way of structure, but why not rip it off and inspire them to get better? Make fun of them until they change? Write a guide for people to make Gimpshop proper for inclusion, and heck, even I might give it a shot. Give it a shot. Make a proposal to the developer list, detailing what you'd like to see and why it would help you. Actually detail what the menus are in photoshop, and what the equivalents are in GIMP, and give justification. Same for keybindings. Do not assume people reading the list have access to Photoshop. Be prepared to defend your ideas. The key thing being here is you're interacting with the existing community, instead of insulting them by implicitly saying that they don't matter by ignoring them completely. I have to say, it is a little hard to believe that people are so set in their ways that the naming of the menus makes such a huge difference, but not set in their ways that the other *huge* UI differences aren't such a big deal. Maybe people only *think* that it makes a difference, and that perception is enough to get over some stubborness in their brains? It'd be interesting to videotape someone using Gimp vs. Gimpshop and see if it actually is a productivity enhancement. Perhaps all that's really needed is the PS menu-GIMP menu mapping document in a proposal as a cheat sheet. -Yosh ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimpshop
Sorry for jumping in half-way through a conversation that I haven't been entirely privy to - but I just wanted to make a suggestion/point that is (I hope) relevant. On 2 Mar 2006March2, at 02:33, Manish Singh wrote: Perhaps all that's really needed is the PS menu-GIMP menu mapping document in a proposal as a cheat sheet. When Adobe launched InDesign, it was taking on a dominant market leader in Quark XPress. People like me who had used XPress for years were used to a certain way of working and innately knew a load of keyboard shortcuts etc for doing our jobs. What Adobe did was inspired: yes, you could, out of the box, use InDesign as Adobe intended or, with the flick of a preference button, InDesign was set- up to recognise and use the XPress shortcuts that people were used to. If Gimp is to become a replacement for Photoshop then, whether it appears to be good practice or not, it has to accommodate its potential users and work as they are used to working (in the short term at least). I'm sure there are many people who will argue - and possible quite rightly - that the Gimp is not a Photoshop replacement but, for many, many people, it is and as more people make the move from Photoshop, surely the Gimp's relevancy, exposure and quality can only improve. As I said, I might be speaking out of turn (if so, I apologise) but, if I'm understanding the thread correctly, I hope this point is relevant. RB ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimpshop
Ross Brown wrote: If Gimp is to become a replacement for Photoshop then, whether it appears to be good practice or not, it has to accommodate its potential users and work as they are used to working (in the short term at least). I'm sure there are many people who will argue - and possible quite rightly - that the Gimp is not a Photoshop replacement but, for many, many people, it is and as more people make the move from Photoshop, surely the Gimp's relevancy, exposure and quality can only improve. I think you make a great point but I don't think improvements in Gimp's quality or relevance is based on or related to PhotoShop user acceptance at all. Peace... Tom ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimpshop
Manish Singh wrote: Give it a shot. Make a proposal to the developer list, detailing what you'd like to see and why it would help you. Actually detail what the menus are in photoshop, and what the equivalents are in GIMP, and give justification. Same for keybindings. Do not assume people reading the list have access to Photoshop. Be prepared to defend your ideas. Walks by nonchalantly, whistling. Here are some screen shots of me working in Adobe(R) Photoshop(R) CS. http://umich.edu/~hnarayan/PS_Screens/ Notes: 0. 000_all.zip in the above URL gives you all files. 1. They just happened to be lying around. 2. The colours, if off, are because of needing to use rdesktop. 3. There are some perks to being at the uni. 4. I cannot believe how much I missed the right-click menu on the images, and I was barely doing anything. I love the GIMP. Harish ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimpshop
Hi, I'm also just jumping in to this conversation. To be honest when I heard about Gimpshop I got excited about using Gimp again. I've downloaded it and have used it and having the familiar menus made it far easier for me to use the program. I think that there is a larger question that needs to be posed: What kind of beta testing is done by professional designers? I met a beta tester for Adobe, she's a professor at the School of Visual Art in NYC, andit was quite interesting to hear her talk about some of her experiences and how she talks to Photoshop developers. The relationship is pretty simple: developers cater to the needs of designers. To take an example that would also apply to Gimp, when showing us different methods she came across a tool that didn't allow you to preview the effect and she simply said,This is pretty useless, you can't see what you're doing. So there is a functional and productive criticism. Designing is a visual process obviously, if I can't see the effect, be it transforming or using a filter, it makes my job a whole lot harder and consumes more of my time via guessing, undoing, and reapplying the filter. It's like drawing with a blindfold. Anyway to make a long story slightly longer I think part of moving forward for Gimp would be to start to beta test with real professional designers, the ones who's work you admire. I think that Gimp's market potential isn't as an adobe REPLACEMENT, not at this point anyway, it is more of a SUBSTITUTE (there is a difference). I think it would serve better as filling the niche for those people who don't actually own a legit copy of photoshop. If peoplediscover they don't have to break the law because there is an adequate substitute that performs similarly to photoshop people will use Gimp in droves. And to add to that what Gimp can allow for is a program that can fully cater to the experience of a user. I think it would be awesome if you could specify gimp to hide tools that wouldn't be used by the user ie. my 4 year old niece. Maybe there could be different skins or profilesdependent on the anticipated use of the user. You could set the programmer to beginner and it would resemble MS Paint. Anyway, these are all ideas. I think the main thing is to think creatively about who Gimp's audience actually is. Right now, in all honesty, it isn't a pro designer. GImp isn't something that people in my office could use everyday. In fact, using it once they'd probably never touch it again. It's funny because I just signed up on this email list because I wanted to talk about this subject! As it so happens I've written a critique of some of the features from a designers/usability perspective. Where would be a good place to post it? All the best, Paul openartist.net wie.org (senior designer for the magazine) PS: Gimp has the potential to rival Adobe Photoshop, perhaps not in features or in the number of pro users, but in the number of lay users (unregistered pirates). PPS: I also just thought of the the use that students could have for GImp. Teachers could recommend it as a free photoshop-like alternative for finishing homework in the event they don't have a copy of it themselves. DRM techcology is going to keep getting better so it will be harder for students to obtain illegal copies in the future. PPPS: Does anyone ever talk about how GImp literally means lame? From a branding perspective that's the worstname you could ever use. Your brand and logo is your chance to make that good first impression and rather boldly you tell potential users that you're handicapped before they even find out for themselves! On 3/1/06, Tom Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ross Brown wrote: If Gimp is to become a replacement for Photoshop then, whether it appears to be good practice or not, it has to accommodate its potential users and work as they are used to working (in the short term at least). I'm sure there are many people who will argue - and possible quite rightly - that the Gimp is not a Photoshop replacement but, for many, many people, it is and as more people make the move from Photoshop, surely the Gimp's relevancy, exposure and quality can only improve.I think you make a great point but I don't think improvements in Gimp's quality or relevance is based on or related to PhotoShop user acceptanceat all.Peace...Tom___Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDUhttps://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimpshop
Paul Bloch wrote: To take an example that would also apply to Gimp, when showing us different methods she came across a tool that didn't allow you to preview the effect and she simply said,This is pretty useless, you can't see what you're doing. So there is a functional and productive criticism. Designing is a visual process obviously, if I can't see the effect, be it transforming or using a filter, it makes my job a whole lot harder and consumes more of my time via guessing, undoing, and reapplying the filter. It's like drawing with a blindfold. Anyway to make a long story slightly longer I think part of moving forward for Gimp would be to start to beta test with real professional designers, the ones who's work you admire. I think this is a great idea. Ideally, the pro designers would be able to focus on the usability of Gimp *outside* of the context of PhotoShop. That way, we could minimize bias based on familiarity. With all of the talk of wanting Gimp to look/feel like PhotoShop, there hasn't been much discussion of PhotoShop's UI being considered good. I had this kind of discussion with someone else who slammed the Gimp UI and much to my surprise he slammed the PhotoShop UI as being about as bad. :) I think the intent should be to strive for a solid UI that is intuitive, not necessarily to mimic one that is basically familiar and that's about it. I think that Gimp's market potential isn't as an adobe REPLACEMENT, not at this point anyway, it is more of a SUBSTITUTE (there is a difference). I think it would serve better as filling the niche for those people who don't actually own a legit copy of photoshop. If people discover they don't have to break the law because there is an adequate substitute that performs similarly to photoshop people will use Gimp in droves. And to add to that what Gimp can allow for is a program that can fully cater to the experience of a user. The thing is, Gimp serves that purpose today. I can't comment on the droves part. :) People don't have to break the law if they use Gimp. People don't use PhotoShop primarily because they like the UI, they use it for what it can do with digital images. People learn the PhotoShop UI so they can do interesting things with those images. People can do interesting things with digital images using Gimp, but they do those things in a different way. I don't see anything wrong with that. I think the main thing is to think creatively about who Gimp's audience actually is. This is a good point and one issue I see is those who are screaming for a PhotoShop interface feel THEY are Gimp's actual audience when I'm not even sure what Gimp's audience actually is. Peace... Tom ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp development
On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 06:11:59PM -0500, Paul Bloch wrote: I'm an occasional Gimp user and prefessional graphic designer. I was wondering where and how do I get involved with user-interface development. Have you seen the GIMP project on OpenUsability.org? That might be a good place to start. The URL is: http://openusability.org/projects/gimp -- Matt Gushee The Reluctant Geek: http://matt.gushee.net/rg/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
