Re: [Gimp-user] freehand selection lost since image was already selected
Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net writes: On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 11:15 +0200, Kevin Brubeck Unhammer wrote: Ideally GIMP could blink the image or something when you add selection points that don't increase/decrease the already selected area, but I guess that might take some time to implement. GIMP can't know that until you complete the selection shape. It can't know that the complete final area will be a subset of the whole, but it can know from a single point that they will overlap. But perhaps other people rely on creating many partly-overlapping selections when they work, and would find a blink (or whatever) annoying. I've often wished for repeat the last selection but in a different mode (rather like Again rather than Redo). Ooh, yes that would be even better :-) In the Glorious Shoeless Future With GEGL and Non-Destructive Editing (GSFWGEGLNDE) presumably your suggestion would involve editing the graph slightly - e.g. to insert Select None into the history graph. or that :) -- Kevin Brubeck Unhammer GPG: 0x766AC60C pgpLdmxTvDUJX.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] test - do not read
I said: do not read! ;-) -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] test - do not read
Marco Ciampa wrote: I said: do not read! ;-) I didn't read; just looked at the picture. ns ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup
I just started using GIMP. I like it so far but this query of plugins at startup bug takes about 2 minutes every single time I start up GIMP. I hope there is a fix for it soon. I'm running Widows XP with GIMP 2.8.6 I downloaded GIMP today (16 August) and run Win 7 (64-bit). I've been unable to get it to start because it crashes when 'querying plugins' in the 'Startup' routine. If I close the GIMP window and try again it skips across the previous plugin .exe but then hangs at the next one. After ten-minutes of closing/ running/ hanging.etc., I gave-up! Free software is fine if it works, if it doesn't it's just a few deleted bits in the Recycle Bin -- physoc (via www.gimpusers.com/forums) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup
I downloaded GIMP today (16 August) and run Win 7 (64-bit). I've been unable to get it to start because it crashes when 'querying plugins' in the 'Startup' routine. If I close the GIMP window and try again it skips across the previous plugin .exe but then hangs at the next one. After ten-minutes of closing/ running/ hanging.etc., I gave-up! Free software is fine if it works, if it doesn't it's just a few deleted bits in the Recycle Bin OK, problem identified and fixed. My problem was with ZONE ALARM firewall settings. It required GIMP access to be set manually to allow internet access. This maybe what is causing the problem with others. Check any firewall settings. -- physoc (via www.gimpusers.com/forums) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup
On 08/16/13 08:17, physoc wrote: I downloaded GIMP today (16 August) and run Win 7 (64-bit). I've been unable to get it to start because it crashes when 'querying plugins' in the 'Startup' routine. If I close the GIMP window and try again it skips across the previous plugin .exe but then hangs at the next one. After ten-minutes of closing/ running/ hanging.etc., I gave-up! Free software is fine if it works, if it doesn't it's just a few deleted bits in the Recycle Bin OK, problem identified and fixed. My problem was with ZONE ALARM firewall settings. It required GIMP access to be set manually to allow internet access. This maybe what is causing the problem with others. Check any firewall settings. I've ran Zone Alarm and it shouldn't be interfering with The GIMP starting up (especially since, afaik, The GIMP doesn't need the Internet to work). -- Yours in Christ, Joseph A Nagy Jr Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge, But he who hates correction is stupid. -- Proverbs 12:1 Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. Original content CopyFree (F) under the OWL http://copyfree.org/licenses/owl/license.txt ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup
I've ran Zone Alarm and it shouldn't be interfering with The GIMP starting up (especially since, afaik, The GIMP doesn't need the Internet to work). Well the issue is academic now as, once GIMP ran and I tried it, it got uninstalled asap. Originally installed because a 'photo magazine described it as 'the closest thing to Photoshop you'll find'. I guess the reviewer was taking some substance or alcohol...! I often find that these open-source applications attract a certain type of geek who are more interested in the development of software rather than the practical use of the program to the end user. As an 'end user' I rate GIMP as next to useless. The banner at the bottom of the GIMP webpage reads ' Why pay for Photo Editing Software?' Why, because the 'end user' wants something that works properly and has an intuitive GUI. As far as I can see GIMP falls-over in both respects. I shall use Lightroom 5. I pay, but I'm happy. -- physoc (via www.gimpusers.com/forums) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:16 AM, physoc for...@gimpusers.com wrote: Why, because the 'end user' wants something that works properly and has an intuitive GUI Why, because the 'end user' wants something that works properly and has an intuitive GUI **compared to what they already know and are familiar with**. Fixed that for ya. -- pat david http://blog.patdavid.net ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup
Well the issue is academic now as, once GIMP ran and I tried it, it got uninstalled asap. Originally installed because a 'photo magazine described it as 'the closest thing to Photoshop you'll find'. I guess the reviewer was taking some substance or alcohol...! I often find that these open-source applications attract a certain type of geek who are more interested in the development of software rather than the practical use of the program to the end user. As an 'end user' I rate GIMP as next to useless. I would really be interested in why you think GIMP is 'useless'. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup
Michael Schumacher (schum...@gmx.de) wrote: From: Sam Gleske sam.mxra...@gmail.com If that's the case I think you should discuss it with gimp-developer list. But please come prepared - the Zonealarm developers should be able to tell why this is happening, please ask them. They have access to both GIMP's source code and their own. Also please be aware that there are installers out there that bundle malware together with Gimp. Make sure that yours is not one of these. Bye, Simon -- si...@budig.de http://simon.budig.de/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup
physoc (for...@gimpusers.com) wrote: The banner at the bottom of the GIMP webpage reads ' Why pay for Photo Editing Software?' Uh, where do you see that? Certainly not on www.gimp.org, or? Sounds like some dubious download site, because we gimp developers certainly can think of scenarios where paying for your photo editing software makes a lot of sense. Bye, Simon -- si...@budig.de http://simon.budig.de/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup
I actually use GIMP to make my webcomic weekly. I don't think it's useless. I just had to learn it--same as any other software. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] freehand selection lost since image was already selected
On 08/16/2013 05:10 PM, Elle Stone wrote: Hitting undo to get back to the previous selection means redoing all the subsequent editing, not always easy to do and often impossible to replicate exactly. Duplicate image, undo on the original image, then drag layers from the duplicate? ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup
physoc (for...@gimpusers.com) wrote: Uh, where do you see that? Certainly not on www.gimp.org, or? Sounds like some dubious download site, because we gimp developers certainly can think of scenarios where paying for your photo editing software makes a lot of sense. Bye, Simon Simon, the phase appears at the bottom of this very page on GIMPUSERS.comat www.getgimp.com -- physoc (via www.gimpusers.com/forums) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup
I feel that perhaps you may be a bit misguided in your interpretation of GIMP. There are plenty of us who use it daily for high end photographic retouching and editing. Like most things worth using, it may take a little time to become accustomed to the methods and interface. Being initially confusing to you doesn't necessarily make it any less of a program in terms of capability or performance. GIMP is aimed at raster image manipulation. It is more than capable for the just about any photo editing you may want to do (with few exceptions). I personally am willing to guess that it will do anything you personally need to do in Ps. GIMP will not read RAW files directly, but neither will Ps, just FYI. Ps uses Adobe Camera RAW to first 'develop' the image, then passes it to Ps for editing. In the same way, GIMP can use a RAW processor to first develop the image, then open it (of course, you have a nice choice of RAW processors to choose from in the F/OSS world). btw, if you are not actually developing your RAW files in ACR first, you're already losing a huge chunk of control right out of the gate. Seriously. For instance, my own workflow has me opening/editing RAW files in RawTherapee, which I then pass directly (and easily) into my GIMP sessions. If it helps, I personally write tutorials specifically targeted at GIMP for photographic retouching/editing. Perhaps walking through a couple of tutorials may help you wrap your head around the concepts that are different than what you might be used to? http://blog.patdavid.net/p/getting-around-in-gimp.html Also, I might suggest looking into a different location for downloading your version of GIMP. Partha has builds that include many useful photographic plugins/scripts that may help your workflow out as well: http://www.partha.com/ On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:53 PM, physoc for...@gimpusers.com wrote: I would really be interested in why you think GIMP is 'useless'. Well mainly because it won't load my Nikon RAW files. My impression is that it's aimed, not at 'photo editing but rather bitmap graphics. See the comment about 'webcomic' on the thread. But this aside I was disappointed given the comment in the multi-page feature in What Digital Camera magazine that seemed to imply that it was a comparable product to Photoshop. I was a bit unkind about geeks and open-source applications. I use OpenOffice and I'm very pleased with it. But OpenOpffice, unlike GIMP, does provide a professional 'Office' look-alike experience. And I think that is what I was hoping for with GIMP, but didn't get. OK, not 'useless', but of no use to me, is a more accurate comment. -- physoc (via www.gimpusers.com/forums) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list -- pat david http://blog.patdavid.net ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup
On 16.08.2013 19:57, physoc wrote: physoc (for...@gimpusers.com) wrote: Uh, where do you see that? Certainly not on www.gimp.org, or? Sounds like some dubious download site, because we gimp developers certainly can think of scenarios where paying for your photo editing software makes a lot of sense. Simon, the phase appears at the bottom of this very page on GIMPUSERS.comat www.getgimp.com Yep, this is some dubious download site. Note the launches DownloadAdmin™, which will mange your installation process. in that site's fine print, that means that you can be tricked into installing potentially malicious software alongside GIMP. By using ad services that have such occasional ad banners which point to such scams, gimpusers.com - itself being a third-party site - does unfortunately contribute to that confusion. Maybe they should find a way to weed those out. -- Regards, Michael ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup
physoc (for...@gimpusers.com) wrote: physoc (for...@gimpusers.com) wrote: Uh, where do you see that? Certainly not on www.gimp.org, or? Sounds like some dubious download site, because we gimp developers certainly can think of scenarios where paying for your photo editing software makes a lot of sense. Bye, Simon Simon, the phase appears at the bottom of this very page on GIMPUSERS.comat Note that gimpusers.com adds to the confusion, since they're channeling posts to the gimp-user mailinglist (which is what I reacted to). So for me there is no this very page, since I am reading this in a text terminal. I believe it to be a bad idea that mails from for...@gimpusers.com are allowed on this mailinglist, it just confuses things. Bye, Simon -- si...@budig.de http://simon.budig.de/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup
Thanks for the extensive reply and tips. I may try again in a week or two when I've 'recovered' from the initial setback and frustration, and who knows I may find that I've been totally wrong in my impression of usefulness. Regards, Tony I feel that perhaps you may be a bit misguided in your interpretation of GIMP. There are plenty of us who use it daily for high end photographic retouching and editing. Like most things worth using, it may take a little time to become accustomed to the methods and interface. Being initially confusing to you doesn't necessarily make it any less of a program in terms of capability or performance. GIMP is aimed at raster image manipulation. It is more than capable for the just about any photo editing you may want to do (with few exceptions). I personally am willing to guess that it will do anything you personally need to do in Ps. GIMP will not read RAW files directly, but neither will Ps, just FYI. Ps uses Adobe Camera RAW to first 'develop' the image, then passes it to Ps for editing. In the same way, GIMP can use a RAW processor to first develop the image, then open it (of course, you have a nice choice of RAW processors to choose from in the F/OSS world). btw, if you are not actually developing your RAW files in ACR first, you're already losing a huge chunk of control right out of the gate. Seriously. For instance, my own workflow has me opening/editing RAW files in RawTherapee, which I then pass directly (and easily) into my GIMP sessions. If it helps, I personally write tutorials specifically targeted at GIMP for photographic retouching/editing. Perhaps walking through a couple of tutorials may help you wrap your head around the concepts that are different than what you might be used to? http://blog.patdavid.net/p/getting-around-in-gimp.html Also, I might suggest looking into a different location for downloading your version of GIMP. Partha has builds that include many useful photographic plugins/scripts that may help your workflow out as well: http://www.partha.com/ -- physoc (via www.gimpusers.com/forums) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup
When you do get around to trying it again, please don't hesitate to drop back in and ask any questions. I'd be happy to help where I can! On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:36 PM, physoc for...@gimpusers.com wrote: Thanks for the extensive reply and tips. I may try again in a week or two when I've 'recovered' from the initial setback and frustration, and who knows I may find that I've been totally wrong in my impression of usefulness. Regards, Tony I feel that perhaps you may be a bit misguided in your interpretation of GIMP. There are plenty of us who use it daily for high end photographic retouching and editing. Like most things worth using, it may take a little time to become accustomed to the methods and interface. Being initially confusing to you doesn't necessarily make it any less of a program in terms of capability or performance. GIMP is aimed at raster image manipulation. It is more than capable for the just about any photo editing you may want to do (with few exceptions). I personally am willing to guess that it will do anything you personally need to do in Ps. GIMP will not read RAW files directly, but neither will Ps, just FYI. Ps uses Adobe Camera RAW to first 'develop' the image, then passes it to Ps for editing. In the same way, GIMP can use a RAW processor to first develop the image, then open it (of course, you have a nice choice of RAW processors to choose from in the F/OSS world). btw, if you are not actually developing your RAW files in ACR first, you're already losing a huge chunk of control right out of the gate. Seriously. For instance, my own workflow has me opening/editing RAW files in RawTherapee, which I then pass directly (and easily) into my GIMP sessions. If it helps, I personally write tutorials specifically targeted at GIMP for photographic retouching/editing. Perhaps walking through a couple of tutorials may help you wrap your head around the concepts that are different than what you might be used to? http://blog.patdavid.net/p/getting-around-in-gimp.html Also, I might suggest looking into a different location for downloading your version of GIMP. Partha has builds that include many useful photographic plugins/scripts that may help your workflow out as well: http://www.partha.com/ -- physoc (via www.gimpusers.com/forums) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list -- pat david http://blog.patdavid.net ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup
On 13-08-16 01:53 PM, physoc wrote: Well mainly because it won't load my Nikon RAW files. You need to install the UFraw or dcraw plug-ins for GIMP to load Nikon RAW files. I use dcraw and I have no problem with Nikon RAW files from my D3100. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful! #include disclaimer/favourite | --Chris Hardwick ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] freehand selection lost since image was already selected
On 8/16/13, Ofnuts ofn...@laposte.net wrote: On 08/16/2013 05:10 PM, Elle Stone wrote: Hitting undo to get back to the previous selection means redoing all the subsequent editing, not always easy to do and often impossible to replicate exactly. Duplicate image, undo on the original image, then drag layers from the duplicate? That's a good work-around! Thanks! Still, the ability to reselect the last selection without resorting to a work-around would be very useful. Elle ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] looking for gimp equivellent
Hi Im looking for the gimp equivellent to photoshops Viewextras. If there is one. I need to open a jpg file with guides in it, but they do not show up when I open the file. Thank you ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] looking for gimp equivellent
* elizabeth whitlock liz4...@sbcglobal.net [08-16-13 15:44]: Hi Im looking for the gimp equivellent to photoshops Viewextras. If there is one. I need to open a jpg file with guides in it, but they do not show up when I open the file. don't know photoshop, but if you really mean guides or perhaps grid, you can display either via the menu view above the image to show grid and/or guides. You can configure them in the preferences menu to always be on. I personally keep guides on all the time and only enable grid display when I find it useful rather than a distraction. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup
În data de Fri, 16 Aug 2013 20:08:45 +0200, Michael Schumacher a scris: Simon, the phase appears at the bottom of this very page on GIMPUSERS.comat www.getgimp.com Yep, this is some dubious download site. Note the launches DownloadAdmin™, which will mange your installation process. in that site's fine print, that means that you can be tricked into installing potentially malicious software alongside GIMP. Something is indeed dubious there. If you click on the big download gimp, it will download a gimp-setup.exe file which contains – among other things – some LuaSocket related files. Lua language provides access to TCP, UDP, etc. protocols. As GIMP has nothing to do with this, at least not at install time, it is likely something spam-related, if not worse. If you go at the bottom, click on About Us and then click the same big download gimp, then it will download version 2.6.11 from Sourceforge. Clearly they have a flaw in their own spam system :) To summarize, best thing to do is to download GIMP from its official site, which is http://www.gimp.org. A trusted alternative for Windows version is to download the package from http://www.partha.com site, which includes some plugins right from the start. Probably UFraw is included, which helps you load your Nikon RAW files (this is just a guess, you should check for yourself). Cristi -- Cristian Secară http://www.secarica.ro ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] freehand selection lost since image was already selected
On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 11:10 -0400, Elle Stone wrote: I've often wished for repeat the last selection but in a different mode +1 for the ability to reselect the last selection. I'm not sure what in a different mode means, E.g. subtract from selection instead of add to selection. I've too many times spent 10 or 20 minutes refining a selection only to find I'd pressed shift instead of control when I started it, and the time was all wasted. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] looking for gimp equivellent
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, elizabeth whitlock wrote: Hi Im looking for the gimp equivellent to photoshops Viewextras. If there is one. I need to open a jpg file with guides in it, but they do not show up when I open the file. Thank you JPEG doesn't support storing guides. You want an impossible thing :) Alexandre ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] looking for gimp equivellent
On 17.08.2013 04:56, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, elizabeth whitlock wrote: Hi Im looking for the gimp equivellent to photoshops Viewextras. If there is one. I need to open a jpg file with guides in it, but they do not show up when I open the file. Thank you JPEG doesn't support storing guides. You want an impossible thing :) They could be using an additional APPn marker. Maybe there's a reason why those are called 'application-specific', though, even with that widespread agreement on what APP0 and APP1 are used for. Maybe GIMP should just store its own application-specific metadata in any image format out there, seems to be common practice :) -- Regards, Michael ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
