Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-12 Thread maderios
On 09/12/2012 01:52 AM, Ofnuts wrote: On 09/11/2012 08:38 AM, maderios wrote: Hi I'm not developper but I think it is certainly possible to give the choice in the configuration. Yes, but it's a bad idea. Having all the people using more or less the same Gimp is beneficial. The same tutorials

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-12 Thread Simon Budig
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: May be but you have already the choice with window-single mode or not. Then you open edit - preferences and here, incredible thing, you can discover about thousand settings ! I joke, you know that. True, we know that we have way too many configuration

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-12 Thread Archie Arevalo
On Tuesday 11 September 2012 07:23:34 Patrick Shanahan wrote: * maderios mader...@gmail.com [09-11-12 06:15]: ... It's really very simple: Photoshop / Saving images Save a file Use the Save command to save changes to the current file or the Save As command to save changes to a

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-12 Thread maderios
On 09/12/2012 10:16 AM, Simon Budig wrote: maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: May be but you have already the choice with window-single mode or not. Then you open edit - preferences and here, incredible thing, you can discover about thousand settings ! I joke, you know that. True, we know

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-12 Thread Andrew Clarke
maderios, please, please just accept that it will not happen. This has been discussed at great length, and it will not change. On 12/09/2012 10:55, maderios wrote: On 09/12/2012 10:16 AM, Simon Budig wrote: maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: May be but you have already the choice with

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-12 Thread Simon Budig
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: True, we know that we have way too many configuration settings. Unfortunately adding to these doesn't help with this problem. I don't understand. What's the problem ? You can keep a default conf or change a few things, or change many things... This is

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-12 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Sep 12, 2012 5:56 PM, maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/12/2012 10:16 AM, Simon Budig wrote: maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: May be but you have already the choice with window-single mode or not. Then you open edit - preferences and here, incredible thing, you can discover

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-11 Thread maderios
On 09/10/2012 07:09 PM, Simon Budig wrote: Ken Warner (kwarner...@verizon.net) wrote: And your insistence that your design decisions are right even while the user community tells you otherwise is strictly amateur. See, here you're disregarding my assertion that we got a lot of positive

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-11 Thread maderios
On 09/10/2012 11:30 PM, Daniel Hauck wrote: I too have ranted about this topic. Not to get into it again, I would like to point out a couple of things: 1. This change doesn't remove functionality. It only moves it. The problem is that gimp arbitrarily separates the types of files: .xcf and

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-11 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:52 AM, maderios wrote: 1. This change doesn't remove functionality. It only moves it. The problem is that gimp arbitrarily separates the types of files Not arbitrarily, but on purpose and by design. May I ask why you keep making incorrect statements for which you

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-11 Thread maderios
On 09/11/2012 09:01 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: May I ask why you keep making incorrect statements for which you apologize later anyway? Hi Reread what I wrote above. Do not distort what I meant. Thanks... Greetings -- Maderios ___

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-11 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM, maderios wrote: Reread what I wrote above. Do not distort what I meant. Thanks... Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word arbitrary? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arbitrary The distinction isn't arbitrary. It's a design decision.

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-11 Thread maderios
On 09/11/2012 09:29 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM, maderios wrote: Reread what I wrote above. Do not distort what I meant. Thanks... Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word arbitrary? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arbitrary

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-11 Thread Maarten De Munck
maderios schreef op di 11-09-2012 om 08:52 [+0200]: 1. This change doesn't remove functionality. It only moves it. The problem is that gimp arbitrarily separates the types of files: .xcf and others. This does not happen like this in the work. We work indifferently on all file types. Maybe

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-11 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Maarten De Munck wrote: If you are really really annoyed by this behaviour, use 2.6, start a fork, ask/pay someone to start a fork for you, use another image editor, ..., No need to. There already is a fork. https://github.com/mskala/noxcf-gimp Alexandre

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-11 Thread maderios
On 09/11/2012 11:45 AM, Maarten De Munck wrote: maderios schreef op di 11-09-2012 om 08:52 [+0200]: 1. This change doesn't remove functionality. It only moves it. The problem is that gimp arbitrarily separates the types of files: .xcf and others. This does not happen like this in the work. We

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-11 Thread Steve Kinney
On 09/11/2012 05:05 AM, Daniel Hauck wrote: On 09/11/2012 04:25 AM, Steve Kinney wrote: My word processor responds to control-s by saving the open document in its own native format, which does not happen to be suitable for distribution to end users. [etc] Which word processor might that be?

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-11 Thread maderios
On 09/11/2012 11:49 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Maarten De Munck wrote: If you are really really annoyed by this behaviour, use 2.6, start a fork, ask/pay someone to start a fork for you, use another image editor, ..., No need to. There already is a fork.

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-11 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* maderios mader...@gmail.com [09-11-12 06:15]: ... It's really very simple: Photoshop / Saving images Save a file Use the Save command to save changes to the current file or the Save As command to save changes to a different file.

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-11 Thread Ken Warner
That's good news! I wish that effort all success. On 9/11/2012 2:49 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Maarten De Munck wrote: If you are really really annoyed by this behaviour, use 2.6, start a fork, ask/pay someone to start a fork for you, use another image

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-11 Thread Ofnuts
On 09/11/2012 08:38 AM, maderios wrote: Hi I'm not developper but I think it is certainly possible to give the choice in the configuration. Yes, but it's a bad idea. Having all the people using more or less the same Gimp is beneficial. The same tutorials work everywhere, and the people

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-11 Thread Ken Warner
The obvious design that satisfies both groups has been offered several times and has been derided as --- I don't know why, although numerous attempts to justify the current design has been proffered. On 9/11/2012 4:52 PM, Ofnuts wrote: On 09/11/2012 08:38 AM, maderios wrote: Hi I'm not

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-11 Thread Richard Gitschlag
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:50:54 -0700 From: kwarner...@verizon.net To: ofn...@laposte.net CC: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8 The obvious design that satisfies both groups has been offered several times and has been

[Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-10 Thread maderios
Hi State of mind ... I am willing to change things if it is an improvement but if the change causes a regression, I do not see the point unless I was masochistic. For people to understand: I spent a lot of time experimenting on my Linux system new programs, new functions, with bugs. It was

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-10 Thread Simon Budig
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: Developers gentlemen, thank you for listening to the users who actually use Gimp to work. Listen to their needs. Practice, there is all that counts and not the theoretical ideas completely divorced from reality. We got a lot of negative feedback,

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-10 Thread maderios
On 09/10/2012 06:19 PM, Simon Budig wrote: maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: Developers gentlemen, thank you for listening to the users who actually use Gimp to work. Listen to their needs. Practice, there is all that counts and not the theoretical ideas completely divorced from reality.

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-10 Thread Simon Budig
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: Because you're not dealing with reality. This is the problem of amateurs who create software professional vocation. See? This is what I was referring to. Bye, Simon -- si...@budig.de http://simon.budig.de/

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-10 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:27 PM, maderios wrote: On 09/10/2012 06:19 PM, Simon Budig wrote: We got a lot of negative feedback, unfortunately most of it was incoherent write-only-rambling, which makes it hard to listen to. If you're masochistic, go to the gimp-devel archives and read the

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-10 Thread maderios
On 09/10/2012 06:32 PM, Simon Budig wrote: maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: Because you're not dealing with reality. This is the problem of amateurs who create software professional vocation. See? This is what I was referring to. Historically, tools and software are improved by

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-10 Thread Ken Warner
Just because the English doesn't meet your standards doesn't mean the viewpoint is invalid. And maybe your refusal to see the thought in the message is the root of the discord. On 9/10/2012 9:32 AM, Simon Budig wrote: maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: Because you're not dealing with

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-10 Thread Simon Budig
Ken Warner (kwarner...@verizon.net) wrote: And your insistence that your design decisions are right even while the user community tells you otherwise is strictly amateur. See, here you're disregarding my assertion that we got a lot of positive feedback, Alexandre even pointed to a small part of

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-10 Thread Rob Antonishen
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Ken Warner kwarner...@verizon.net wrote: You know, like Forest Gump says [paraphrased] Amateur is as amateur does. And your insistence that your design decisions are right even while the user community tells you otherwise is strictly amateur. And your

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-10 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Bruno wrote: I wonder, who gave you credentials to speak in the name of the community? Bruno, We are dealing with the it stands to reason kind of logic. It isn't possible to argue against it. You can laugh at it, or you can ignore it. That's pretty much all

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-10 Thread bruno
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:15:08 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Bruno wrote: I wonder, who gave you credentials to speak in the name of the community? Bruno, We are dealing with the it stands to reason kind of logic. It isn't possible to argue

Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

2012-09-10 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:10 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: We just did something some people don't like. Therefore for them the rest doesn't matter and probably doesn't even exist. Hence all the talks about reaility. 'Probably doesn't even exist' is probably