Re: Welcome to CubicDesign.com
Hi, > i think this discussion will never find to an end, cause unfortunatly > there is no perfect solution for each browser and by far not for each > user. > > but i would be glad if anybody on this list could enlighten me and give > me a way to create text content wich shows up the same size in all > browsers. Use style sheets/tags. Specify font sizes in points. Provide text-only pages with the same content where applicable. > i'm not a person demanding "standards", but i think in this case i would > love it. The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from ;). As with all other internet standards, MS will come up with its own derivation (which is *almost* compatible). This will happen (has already happened?) with style sheets, no doubt. My favourite browser is lynx, btw. Except for the gimp pages, of course... Cheers, -- Victor
Re: Welcome to CubicDesign.com
> > I dunno.. I looked at the page in netscape and it looked very good to me. > Lenka. same for me (linux, "old" netscape 4.7) i think this discussion will never find to an end, cause unfortunatly there is no perfect solution for each browser and by far not for each user. but i would be glad if anybody on this list could enlighten me and give me a way to create text content wich shows up the same size in all browsers. i'm not a person demanding "standards", but i think in this case i would love it. regards robert -- Robert SchiffersPartner of GbR hns [EMAIL PROTECTED] GbR hns Digital Architecturehttp://www.h-n-s.de OCTREE CAD for Linux, Win,etc. http://www.octree.de
Re: Welcome to CubicDesign.com (CSS)
On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 12:20:23AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > want a specific behavior on your webpage (ie. you don't want to use a > relative font size). you can specify a font size in pixels ( font- > size: 10px ). the size _should_ be the same in any system. Of course, pixels are totally the wrong way to use as units: They might save your layout (if it is bad enough to need it), but they will of course be very small on some systems (e.g. mine) and very large on others. Definitely not the solution to the problem of too small fonts!! (And as I mentioned pribately before, IE5 at least displays fonts given in absolute units larger than it should, e.g. 9pt fonts (3.1mm) get displayed at least with 4mm, giving nice pages under windows, but...) -- -==- | ==-- _ | ---==---(_)__ __ __ Marc Lehmann +-- --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] |e| -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ XX11-RIPE --+ The choice of a GNU generation | |
Re: Welcome to CubicDesign.com (CSS)
Hi, I used px to represent font size (and used font-family : Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;) and noticed slight difference in the way the font was reprsented on NS4.7x and IE (for Win9x)... I think I better install Linux and see how it looks under there before making any final decisions.. Thanks! Bye! -- Gautam N. Lad http://www.cubicdesign.com - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 12:20 AM Subject: Re: Welcome to CubicDesign.com (CSS) > i just wanted to say that the attribute is deprecated anyway. > the correct way is to use style sheets or a "style" attribute. if you > want a specific behavior on your webpage (ie. you don't want to use a > relative font size). you can specify a font size in pixels ( font- > size: 10px ). the size _should_ be the same in any system.
Re: Welcome to CubicDesign.com
The right ways are, IMO, relative size (any browser) or CSS (latest
browsers). But hey, it is like the same discussion about gamma I have
with some guys ("your image is dark" "no, your monitor is crap and
your room is wrongly illuminated" "ok, you win, I live in a cave and
the monitor company is in backruptcy due poor products"), or the
problems Marc mentioned (last time I found one, the guy corrected it,
but that is cos we know each other ;] ).
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (2000-08-03 at 0346.46 +0200):
> > We all should mail the webmaster of such sites that we would like to
> > read but can not, maybe that way they will pay attention to visitors &
> > content and not only coolness.
> an alternative is to install those special fonts designed by some netscape
Already using fonts bigger than what I should. Look at the posted
PNGs, the menus are big, but text is not.
> victim (big,large-fonts?) and to chop off image-loading in the preferences.
I avoid images too, as much as I can (that means abandoning sites most
of times).
It seems that the new trend is to do small fonts; and force images and
javascript on you if you want to read anything (sometimes the images
are the text). One example of this trend can be "read" in the link
about AquaOS gem effect that was added to http://www.gimp.org/.
BTW, if anyone finds the tutorial, please tell me, cos I get lost with
popups, colourful images and small text before I found anything. Or
maybe I will live with the GUG one.
GSR
Re: Welcome to CubicDesign.com
> Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero: > > font at all and count on the user's taste for a > > default font. I often exit a site without even > > reading anything if the font is too small. (for > > instance, I don't shop at CDW at all). > > We all should mail the webmaster of such sites that we would like to > read but can not, maybe that way they will pay attention to visitors & > content and not only coolness. an alternative is to install those special fonts designed by some netscape victim (big,large-fonts?) and to chop off image-loading in the preferences. clemens
Re: Welcome to CubicDesign.com (CSS)
i just wanted to say that the attribute is deprecated anyway. the correct way is to use style sheets or a "style" attribute. if you want a specific behavior on your webpage (ie. you don't want to use a relative font size). you can specify a font size in pixels ( font- size: 10px ). the size _should_ be the same in any system.
Re: Welcome to CubicDesign.com
> "Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero" wrote: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2000-08-02 at 1139.19 -0400): > > > I welcome all of you to CubicDesign.com, which is a brand new site > > > I have started, that features tutorials for the GIMP as well as some > > > other useful resources on webdesign and graphics. > > > > Is just me or there some kind of FONT SIZE=1 conspirancy? Why people > Yes, it sucks. A lot of people now are using size=1 because the default > Explorer config uses large fonts. And this looks good only on Windoze. > Very bad . I dunno.. I looked at the page in netscape and it looked very good to me. Lenka.
DPIs (Re: Welcome to CubicDesign.com)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (2000-08-02 at 2120.02 +0200): > > http://www.cubicdesign.com/gimp/ to demostrate how it looks (NS 4.73 > > Linux, X with swapped 100dpi - 75dpi paths for bigger fonts). Relative > An easier and more consistent way would be to set the dpi of your screen > to a very high value (120+). Netscape scales accordingly. Hehe, look at the font used for the menus, and think about how will them look using 120 DPI (1.2 times bigger, no?). http://acd.asoc.euitt.upm.es/~gsromero/gimp/gautam-web.png http://acd.asoc.euitt.upm.es/~gsromero/gimp/gautam-gimp.png Based in the monitor size (17 aka 16 viewable, so 12.5 wide viewable) and the resolution I use (1152 * 864) the DPI is 1152 / 12.5 = 92.16. GTK with a font of 12 pixels looks perfect, thanks. GSR
Re: Welcome to CubicDesign.com
On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 08:30:09PM +0200, "Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.cubicdesign.com/gimp/ to demostrate how it looks (NS 4.73 > Linux, X with swapped 100dpi - 75dpi paths for bigger fonts). Relative An easier and more consistent way would be to set the dpi of your screen to a very high value (120+). Netscape scales accordingly. -- -==- | ==-- _ | ---==---(_)__ __ __ Marc Lehmann +-- --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] |e| -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ XX11-RIPE --+ The choice of a GNU generation | |
Re: Welcome to CubicDesign.com O/T
On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, James Smaby wrote: > >I noticed that your entire post is right justified... > > One of my oddities. Makes writing emails a little > more difficult (especially when writing with cat). > I believe double spaces are correct for ending the > sentences in fixed width fonts. One of these days > I'm going to write a long email without the letter > `e' in it... Earlier this year my centuries old XT keyboard lost the use of the letter 'n'. Fortunately, I had enough advance warning that I was able to change all my passwords to exclude the letter. For several days, I had to bring up an 'n' containing email address from my address book, to be able to cut and paste the letter into my emails - (using pine). You do not have an appreciation for how often a letter is used until you have to type ctrl-u everytime it occurs in a word. Finding a keyboard for a 1985 ibm XT was not the easiest thing in the world. :) -- Kate http://www.katewerk.com
Re: Welcome to CubicDesign.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (2000-08-02 at 1417.26 -0400): > Hi, > Well, my fonts are Verdana, and Arial..., but I will add Helvetica to the > Add "sans" as last entry, and you have a security net. > tag. As for size=1, my site uses SIZE=2 for the main content. Anyway, too small. I can screenshot http://www.cubicdesign.com/web/ or http://www.cubicdesign.com/gimp/ to demostrate how it looks (NS 4.73 Linux, X with swapped 100dpi - 75dpi paths for bigger fonts). Relative size fonts is the right way, IMO. > Thanks for the criticism... You are welcome. :] GSR
Re: Welcome to CubicDesign.com
>I noticed that your entire post is right justified... One of my oddities. Makes writing emails a little more difficult (especially when writing with cat). I believe double spaces are correct for ending the sentences in fixed width fonts. One of these days I'm going to write a long email without the letter `e' in it... -James Smaby
Re: Welcome to CubicDesign.com
OK, this is way off topic, but I have to ask... I noticed that your entire post is right justified. So, I figured that you used some nifty utility to perform the justification. But, there is no evidence (multiple spaces) of deliberate formatting. There are double spaces following "."s - even that is consistent. ...curiosity... Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:12:12 -0400 From: James Smaby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >TeX Computer Modern font... I don't like some of the design characteristics of cm. The ff ligature is a little ghastly, and at a normal pointsize (cmr10) the font is a too `light' for my taste. I prefer the good old venitian font families (notice Google uses one of these in thier logo). It would be quite amusing seeing a complex math equation typeset with Cloister. I think that cm is good for math typesetting, but if I am going to write a letter to someone, it seems too formal. The reason I suggested Times is because ships with every OS that I know of. I also hate Times, and I cringe whenever I am given an article to read that uses it (when I'm a prof, I think I'll take points off for using ugly fonts:). [I actually use cmr on my website, using plainTeX, dvips, and gimp's ps importer]
Re: Welcome to CubicDesign.com
On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 07:31:07PM +0200, "Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We all should mail the webmaster of such sites that we would like to > read but can not, maybe that way they will pay attention to visitors & Years ago (when the ratio of junk websites vs. real websites was lower) I mailed each and every site that forgot to set all colours when setting one (i.e. i had a white foreground, and people just loved to set the background to white as well). Needless to say, 90% of the responses were "Oh, I am sorry, but we do not support old/broken/non-html/non-netscape browsers". Or just: "it works with netscape" (I used netscape). -- -==- | ==-- _ | ---==---(_)__ __ __ Marc Lehmann +-- --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] |e| -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ XX11-RIPE --+ The choice of a GNU generation | |
Re: Welcome to CubicDesign.com
Hi, Well, my fonts are Verdana, and Arial..., but I will add Helvetica to the tag. As for size=1, my site uses SIZE=2 for the main content. Thanks for the criticism... Bye! -- Gautam N. Lad http://www.cubicdesign.com
Re: Welcome to CubicDesign.com
>TeX Computer Modern font... I don't like some of the design characteristics of cm. The ff ligature is a little ghastly, and at a normal pointsize (cmr10) the font is a too `light' for my taste. I prefer the good old venitian font families (notice Google uses one of these in thier logo). It would be quite amusing seeing a complex math equation typeset with Cloister. I think that cm is good for math typesetting, but if I am going to write a letter to someone, it seems too formal. The reason I suggested Times is because ships with every OS that I know of. I also hate Times, and I cringe whenever I am given an article to read that uses it (when I'm a prof, I think I'll take points off for using ugly fonts:). [I actually use cmr on my website, using plainTeX, dvips, and gimp's ps importer]
Re: Welcome to CubicDesign.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (2000-08-02 at 1311.13 -0400): > Ick, Helvetica? [isn't that a microsoft font?] No, it is the original Adobe name, IIRC. Arial is the MS name for sans font. > Why not use a serif font? Just plain Times New > Roman would work, or better yet don't specify a IMHO Times New Roman, a MS font, sucks so much that I started to hate serif fonts. On the other hand, I discovered TeX Computer Modern font family, and find that my problem was not with serif fonts but with MS one. TeX roman font has something different that showed me that (I like it). > font at all and count on the user's taste for a > default font. I often exit a site without even > reading anything if the font is too small. (for > instance, I don't shop at CDW at all). We all should mail the webmaster of such sites that we would like to read but can not, maybe that way they will pay attention to visitors & content and not only coolness. GSR
Re: Welcome to CubicDesign.com
Ick, Helvetica? [isn't that a microsoft font?] Why not use a serif font? Just plain Times New Roman would work, or better yet don't specify a font at all and count on the user's taste for a default font. I often exit a site without even reading anything if the font is too small. (for instance, I don't shop at CDW at all).
Re: Welcome to CubicDesign.com
"Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero" wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2000-08-02 at 1139.19 -0400): > > I welcome all of you to CubicDesign.com, which is a brand new site > > I have started, that features tutorials for the GIMP as well as some > > other useful resources on webdesign and graphics. > > Is just me or there some kind of FONT SIZE=1 conspirancy? Why people Yes, it sucks. A lot of people now are using size=1 because the default Explorer config uses large fonts. And this looks good only on Windoze. Very bad . niko
Re: Welcome to CubicDesign.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (2000-08-02 at 1139.19 -0400): > I welcome all of you to CubicDesign.com, which is a brand new site > I have started, that features tutorials for the GIMP as well as some > other useful resources on webdesign and graphics. Is just me or there some kind of FONT SIZE=1 conspirancy? Why people do not use relative sizes instead of fixed? And no, my X settings use the 100dpi trick (is there another one to avoid all this completly?). BTW, not all X have Verdana or Arial, but most of them have Helvetica. Lot of Gimpers use X. GSR
