Re: "git checkout" safety feature

2018-11-04 Thread Matthias Urlichs
– like "alias rm rm -i". -- -- Matthias Urlichs signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

"git checkout" obliterates not-yet-ignored files

2018-11-04 Thread Matthias Urlichs
al changes will be obliterated. IMHO that's a bug – .gitignore should only be used for (not) adding non-version-controlled files. It does not tell git to ignore changes (in files that *are* under version control), and thus it should not allow any git command to simply overwrite a file. -- -- Matthi

"git checkout" safety feature

2018-11-04 Thread Matthias Urlichs
so in half an hour ;-) -- -- Matthias Urlichs signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Shallow clones with explicit history cutoff?

2014-08-22 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Duy Nguyen: On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de wrote: What I would like to have, instead, is a version of shallow cloning which cuts off not at a pre-determined depth, but at a given branch (or set of branches). In other words, given

Shallow clones with explicit history cutoff?

2014-08-21 Thread Matthias Urlichs
beats me to it. ;-) -- -- Matthias Urlichs -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe git in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html

SVN import issue

2005-08-26 Thread Matthias Urlichs
we can't know that before checking in the file... So, if I find a working SVN importer when I come back I'll be happy ;-) (munging cvs2git shouldn't be particularly difficult), otherwise I'll do it myself, in a month or so. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL

Re: [RFC] Looking at multiple ancestors in merge

2005-08-25 Thread Matthias Urlichs
of globally. I suspect that many of the problem cases simply go away when you do that. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de - - Jones' Second Law: The man who smiles when things

SVN import

2005-08-19 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Quick note: I'm working on importing from SVN. My current main problem is that SVN's Perl interface leaks server connections (apparently nobody has used it for any real work yet), which is of course *bad*, and kindof prevents me from finishing the job today. :-/ -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U

Re: Git 1.0 Synopis (Draft v4)

2005-08-18 Thread Matthias Urlichs
it about parsing the index file. Technically, that would require a stable libgit.so or so. In reality, however, I don't know when I last had a tree which wasn't fully populated, but it's been a while, and it's something that can be readily fixed by git-checkout-cache -a. -- Matthias Urlichs

Re: Small team cogito/git setup

2005-08-18 Thread Matthias Urlichs
and shifting blame for broken software, particularly if you have a test suite. My workflow is develop, test, check-in, pull-and-merge, test-if-merged, push. That tends to yield a saner change history, and requires less work, than doing it for every co-worker. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design

Re: Subject: [PATCH] Updates to glossary

2005-08-18 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Johannes Schindelin wrote: Subject: Subject: [PATCH] Updates to glossary Something is stuttering here -- one Subject: is quite sufficient. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http

Re: gitk with hyperspace support

2005-08-17 Thread Matthias Urlichs
of the segment I was clicking on. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de - - There are some micro-organisms that exhibit characteristics of both plants and animals. When exposed to light

Re: gitk with hyperspace support

2005-08-17 Thread Matthias Urlichs
a node, you don't get that problem. Another point I just noticed: The arrows should be directly below each other, if at all possible; i.e. the one pointing up should be in the same column as the corresponding arrow pointing down. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL

Re: [PATCH] Add merge detection to git-cvsimport

2005-08-17 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Martin Langhoff wrote: this one is the most likely one to be from a bug in cvsps or the cvsimport logic. That's not a bug in the import logic, just a failure of the CVS-merging person to be consistent. (Which is hardly news. :-/ ) -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de

Re: Switching heads and head vs branch after CVS import

2005-08-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
). -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de - - I hope you will find the courage to keep on living despite the existence of this feature. -- Richard Stallman - To unsubscribe from

Re: [RFC][PATCH] Rewriting revs in place in push target repository

2005-08-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
? if you journal metadata only you can see a file extended w/o having the block flushed ??? but the file is *not* extended. Also, whether or not a block is flushed should only matter if the machine crashes ..? -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer

Re: [PATCH] Debian packaging for 0.99.4

2005-08-13 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Ryan Anderson: #!/bin/sh echo Don't get a git - use gt! Ouch. echo Don't get a git - use gt! 2 if at all. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de

Re: [PATCH] Debian packaging for 0.99.4

2005-08-12 Thread Matthias Urlichs
, that's against Policy too, because different users on the system might have different expectations WRT which git is git. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de - - You have a strong

Re: [PATCH] Debian packaging for 0.99.4

2005-08-12 Thread Matthias Urlichs
. ;-) -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de - - The hope that springs eternal Springs right up your behind. -- Ian Drury, This Is What We Find signature.asc Description

[PATCH] more Debian packaging fixes

2005-08-12 Thread Matthias Urlichs
git-tk should be architecture independent. git-core forgot to depend on perl. Signed-Off-By: Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Hi, Junio C Hamano: Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Split gitk off to its own package; it needs tk installed, but nothing else does. I just

[PATCH] update Debian packaging for cogito

2005-08-11 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Debian files. + * Conflict with cgvg instead of not installing cg. + * Pass prefix=/usr to make install. + + -- Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:17:32 +0200 + cogito (0.12.1-1) stable; urgency=low * new version 0.12.1 (needed in order check out Linus' git trees). diff

Re: [PATCH] Debian packaging for 0.99.4

2005-08-11 Thread Matthias Urlichs
run all the git xxx commands we talk about here. Same with cgvg, cogito, and cg. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de - - The girl who remembers her first kiss now has a daughter

gitk: integer overflow

2005-08-11 Thread Matthias Urlichs
bits ..? -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de - - You know things are bad when you're surrounded by four lawyers, and none of them is yours. - To unsubscribe from this list: send

Re: [PATCH] Debian packaging for 0.99.4

2005-08-11 Thread Matthias Urlichs
in the default build, so that people who like to compile their own package (i.e. everybody _except_ the Debian packager ;-) get to keep their git and cg scripts. A small Debian-specific patch to rename the offending scripts (and drop the Conflicts: entries) is cheap. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U

Re: [PATCH] Debian packaging for 0.99.4

2005-08-11 Thread Matthias Urlichs
) if they want to use the normal name... that's probably the only solution which would work reasonably well without being too much hassle to implement. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de

Re: Request for help from binary packaging people.

2005-08-10 Thread Matthias Urlichs
are not installed? If some scripts break, that's a Bad Thing, and would require those packages to be moved to Depends:. Earlier I said that the Debian side is reasonably accurate to the best of my knowledge, but I would appreciate it if somebody ran lintian on it. Will do. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U

[PATCH] Debian packaging for 0.99.4

2005-08-10 Thread Matthias Urlichs
/changelog --- a/debian/changelog +++ b/debian/changelog @@ -1,3 +1,9 @@ +git-core (0.99.4-1) unstable; urgency=low + + * Lots and lots of changes. + + -- Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:18:34 +0200 + git-core (0.99-2) unstable; urgency=low * Conflict with the GNU

Re: [PATCH] Debian packaging for 0.99.4

2005-08-10 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Martin Langhoff: On 8/11/05, Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debian packaging fixes for 0.99.4: Is this anywhere in the archive? Cogito 0.12.1 (which includes git) has been packaged by Sebastian Kuzminsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]; it's in Debian Unstable. I assume he'll do

Re: [PATCH 1/3] Add git-send-email-script - tool to send emails from git-format-patch-script

2005-08-03 Thread Matthias Urlichs
for each email. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de - - Be careful whilst playing under the anvil tree. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe git

Re: [PATCH 1/3] Add git-send-email-script - tool to send emails from git-format-patch-script

2005-08-01 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Junio C Hamano wrote: Also, I wonder if running lc() to downcase the local-part[*] is safe/allowed/correct mostly/no/no. It's unlikely to be a real-life problem, but we still shouldn't do it. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer

Re: [PATCH 1/3] Add git-send-email-script - tool to send emails from git-format-patch-script

2005-07-31 Thread Matthias Urlichs
N hangs off patch N-1 in my email threading view, which gets slightly cumbersome if N10. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de - - Nothing makes a person more productive than

Re: [PATCH 2/2] Unify usage strings declaration

2005-07-30 Thread Matthias Urlichs
optimizing compiled C is somewhat more challenging than, say, FORTRAN. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de - - Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free than Christianity

Re: [PATCH] Teach parse_commit_buffer about grafting.

2005-07-30 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Junio C Hamano wrote: Introduce a new file $GIT_DIR/info/grafts Nice work. Has anybody git-imported the old tarfile+patch history yet? If not, I'll do it over the weekend. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected

Re: [RFC] extending git-ls-files --exclude.

2005-07-29 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Petr Baudis: Dear diary, on Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 09:25:45PM CEST, I got a letter where Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] told me that... Hi, A Large Angry SCM wrote: So you're arguing for last match wins versus first match wins. I, personally, find the former more natural

[PATCH] document git-rev-list better

2005-07-29 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Document new (and not-so-new) flags of git-rev-list. Signed-off-By: Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- diff --git a/Documentation/git-rev-list.txt b/Documentation/git-rev-list.txt --- a/Documentation/git-rev-list.txt +++ b/Documentation/git-rev-list.txt @@ -9,14 +9,35 @@ git-rev-list - Lists

Re: How is working on arbitrary remote heads supposed to work in Cogito (+ PATCH)?

2005-07-29 Thread Matthias Urlichs
the remote repo is *not* under my direct control, e.g. a shared-master style setup. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de - - :munch: vt. [often confused with {mung}, q.v.] To transform

Re: [PATCH/RFC] Recursive Make considered harmful

2005-07-28 Thread Matthias Urlichs
includes yet another Debian package for Cogito ;-). -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de - - A zealot's stones will break my bones, but gods will never hurt me. - To unsubscribe from

Re: [RFC] extending git-ls-files --exclude.

2005-07-28 Thread Matthias Urlichs
in the first place?) It gets even more confusing when you're lazy and omit the .html suffix in the second line. YMMV, and all that. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de

Re: How is working on arbitrary remote heads supposed to work in Cogito (+ PATCH)?

2005-07-28 Thread Matthias Urlichs
different porcelains. At minimum, you'd send the old branch head with the new one, and let the server not overwrite it if it changed in the meantime. Then, you'd kill porcelain writers who don't verify that the old head is a(n indirect) parent of the new one. ;-) -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U

Re: Problems Importing a CVS tree into FAUmachine

2005-07-25 Thread Matthias Urlichs
If there's no lib/pattern-matcher/input/Pic0.ppm,v nor lib/pattern-matcher/input/Attic/Pic0.ppm,v file ... But I see the PatchSet if I run cvsps manually. Very strange. ... then, congratulations, you've found a bug in cvsps. Please talk to its author. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u

Re: [PATCH] git-cvsimport-script: parse multidigit revisions

2005-07-25 Thread Matthias Urlichs
by their revision number and stick them into a commit don't work in real life. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de - - Please try to limit the amount of this room doesn't have any bazingas

Re: git cvsimport with branches?

2005-07-17 Thread Matthias Urlichs
to visualize that? gitk origin obvioously shows only one branch, because CVS doesn't have merge infe. Use gitk $(cat .git/revs/heads/*) to show everything. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http

Re: Patch to make README more newbie-friendly

2005-07-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
; the second creates a conflict (lines were added at the same location) which you'll have to resolve (edit the file). vi testfile echo Merged one and two | cg-commit gitk -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really

Re: [PATCH] git-diff-*: Allow --name-only -z as alias for --name-only-z

2005-07-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Junio C Hamano: I've considered it, but what happens if you give -z first and then name-only? Exactly the same thing as vice versa. Or, even more exactly, my patch *makes* that happen. ;-) -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote

Re: [PATCH] git-diff-*: Allow --name-only -z as alias for --name-only-z

2005-07-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
some time to actually do it over the next few days. The problem is that this has been a problem lately. :-/ -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de - - Illiterate? Write today

Re: [RFC PATCH] cogito --- don't overwrite metadata files in place (breaks CoW use)

2005-07-13 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Chris Wedgwood wrote: Symlink'd trees don't really make sense to me (they seem fragile and somewhat pointless) but perhaps I'm missing something? You are ;-) the tree itsels is no symlinked, but HEAD points to refs/heads/branch by default. Don't clobber that, please. -- Matthias

Re: Is cogito really this inefficient

2005-07-13 Thread Matthias Urlichs
as it finds that the files are in sync, so expect this to be significantly faster the next time around. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de - - Praise the sea; on shore remain

Re: [RFC PATCH] cogito --- don't overwrite metadata files in place (breaks CoW use)

2005-07-13 Thread Matthias Urlichs
as-is echo $1 $DEST You should remove DEST first. Otherwise, under Linux, you'll magically create the file the symlink points to, which may not be what you want to do. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really

Re: How to get a directory filled with v2.6.11?

2005-07-12 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Marc Singer wrote: v2.6.11, 5dc01c595e6c6ec9ccda4f6f69c131c0dd945f8c You can create your own parent-less commit for that tree. (It's what I did...) -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http

Re: [PATCH 3/6] git-gnu-progs-Makefile: git Makefile update

2005-07-12 Thread Matthias Urlichs
names there. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de - - Go directly to jail. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe git

Re: Bootstrapping into git, commit gripes at me

2005-07-12 Thread Matthias Urlichs
, then switching to a branch HEAD is not a part of should emit a warning. (fsck to find the dangling commits is not an answer ;-) Ideas like * remember the branch to un-seek back to or * treat HEAD as read-only when there's a seek active seem to be optional / Porcelain-specific. -- Matthias

Re: cvsimport: rewritten in Perl

2005-07-06 Thread Matthias Urlichs
this kind of problem any more, because in Python it Simply Doesn't Happen. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de - - Conscience is the inner voice that warns us somebody is looking

Re: Tags

2005-07-06 Thread Matthias Urlichs
^good. OTOH, I dunno whether the core tools really need to understand that. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de - - If at first you don't succeed, you must be a programmer

Merging and parents

2005-07-05 Thread Matthias Urlichs
) the problem? -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de - - I'm thankful I didn't believe in God, because it would have been another thing for me to conquer. -- Kim Goldman

Re: [PATCH] cvsimport: rewritten in Perl

2005-07-04 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Sven Verdoolaege: Why not an explicit '-z' option as in the current git-cvsimport-script ? Because my code doesn't support compressed cvs connections: a -z that doesn't work except for the rlog part would be a lie. Feel free to add that code. ;-) -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design

[PATCH] Add DEST Makefile variable

2005-04-21 Thread Matthias Urlichs
This patch changes the Makefile to add a DEST variable (still defaulting to ~/bin/) so that people (or scripts) can trivially install git Somewhere Else. Signed-Off-By: Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- 42a073eb6b5bb397a3e8768a032463a7fa02e6b9/Makefile (mode:100644 sha1

[PATCH] Missing linefeeds

2005-04-21 Thread Matthias Urlichs
This patch fixes die() and error() to print linefeeds after the message. Signed-Off-By: Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- 42a073eb6b5bb397a3e8768a032463a7fa02e6b9/usage.c (mode:100644 sha1:e774d2ef32726af0707d817cdb63fc8751ddc9d8) +++ 265515f9c4f089b1b61e9d2312c4b3babe189618/usage.c

[PATCH] Missing quotes

2005-04-21 Thread Matthias Urlichs
gitXnormid.sh should quote its cat-file calls so that nonexisting ssha1 IDs don't result in shell errors. Signed-Off-By: Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- 42a073eb6b5bb397a3e8768a032463a7fa02e6b9/gitXnormid.sh (mode:100755 sha1:c0d53afabe8662ebfc3c697faf08b0a2b43c93f7

[PATCH] Add git push

2005-04-21 Thread Matthias Urlichs
This patch adds the ability to git push, as the obvious converse of git pull. Signed-Off-By: Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Index: git === --- 42a073eb6b5bb397a3e8768a032463a7fa02e6b9/git (mode:100755 sha1

[PATCH] Improve usage messages

2005-04-21 Thread Matthias Urlichs
This patch adds somewhat-improved usage messages to some of Linus' programs. Specifically, they now handle -? / --help. Signed-Off-By: Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Index: check-files.c

Re: Switching between branches

2005-04-21 Thread Matthias Urlichs
version, and let the make rules take care of rebuilding what needs to be rebuilt. (cancel already does most of the job anyway, i.e. cleanup stuff which the build process might have changed that it shouldn't have.) Cf. the last of the patches I've just mailed to the list. -- Matthias Urlichs

Re: [PATCH] Missing linefeeds

2005-04-21 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Petr Baudis: Why? report() already prints linefeed. Ah, it didn't when I wrote this. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe git in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo

Re: [PATCH] Add DEST Makefile variable

2005-04-21 Thread Matthias Urlichs
)$(BINDIR)/ That doesn't make sense; if you set DESTDIR, you are not going to install in $HOME. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe git in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo

Re: [ANNOUNCE] git-pasky-0.6.2 heads-up on upcoming changes

2005-04-20 Thread Matthias Urlichs
namespace collisions. -- Matthias Urlichs - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe git in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html