* Adrienne G. Thompson [2019-10-22 21:15]:
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 3:16 AM František Kučera
> wrote:
>
> > The problem with this approach is the risk of hostile takeover. There
> > are corporations (e.g. those that profit from proprietary
> > software/cloud) ... that have almost unlimited
> >
* DJ Delorie [2019-10-22 23:39]:
> > There is still much more to be done regarding users' freedom and human
> > rights.
>
> I do not agree that human rights - as its own topic - belongs here,
> except insofar as they directly relate to exercising the Four Freedoms.
> Because software can be an ex
* DJ Delorie [2019-10-22 23:39]:
> > and whoever is loyal to free software philosophy as envisioned
> > by Dr. Richard Stallman,
>
> A constitution would describe this philosophy, though. How do we
> otherwise follow what is only in one person's mind, if not by writing it
> down to share?
Const
* Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> [2019-10-28 15:21]:
> Even if FSF, like Werner Koch , believes that there is
> nothing wrong ethically with steering users to an isolated
> proprietary service, the guide is simply incorrect factually.
Do you refer to online service?
Are not all websites pro
ers and management to be
loyal to the free software philosophy.
GNU Project can continue without original leader for as long as its
maintainers stick to free software philosophy as written by
Dr. Richard Stallman.
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Jean Louis
nswer.
Footnotes:
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt
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ght thing to do, join, participate and promote.
In that sense it has much better survival chances than by having any
kind of constitution or becoming again "organization" within limits
and boundaries of a local laws, such as one State within United States
or one country or government.
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just
> don't carer anymore. If you don't like how he does things, I would
> suggest you find other organizations or project to work on.
Well said, thank you.
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y or tacitly, to surrender some of their
freedoms and submit to the authority (of the ruler, or to the decision
of a majority) in exchange for protection of their remaining rights or
maintenance of the social order." -- thus I would not like to invite
people to GNU project with any type of a French based middle-aged
surrendering of their freedoms to whatever authority of small group of
people who are now proposing the "GNU Social Contract".
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tolerance to proprietary software.
Stallman is kind person. He said in "Words to Avoid" to avoid
them. But he does not use them. He knows that changes in language and
behavior need some time, and is not coercing people into that.
If you ask me, leadership of GNU project shall never use those words
and shall swear or promise to keep and apply the free software
philosophy as written by Dr. Richard Stallman.
It is very simple.
Thanks,
Jean Louis
entation. We are not going to reach
> agreement on these points any time soon.
Could you please give me references to it? I am genuinely interested
where?
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FDL
was well formed document, legally well thought. It can be subject of
discussions, but only if you are lawyer and have legal opinion on
that, then I would give to such statements "invariant is not free"
much more weight.
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* Samuel Thibault [2019-10-27 16:33]:
> Then we can write that in a GNU social contract, instead of having to
> rely on stubborn governance.
Stubborn governance or however you name it is still successful
governance.
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P.S. I would like that you give facts a
tween "free software" and
"open source".
And such people shall be making and organizing free software
speeches. Handbooks could be distributed to volunteers all over the
world with presentations and supporting files and fliers so that free
software speeches can take place si
him as he
is.
Finding wrong targets and introducing new ideas is common mistake by
people who try to take over any organization. It can easily damage
successful courses of actions.
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* Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> [2019-10-28 17:53]:
> In particular, the SKS keyserver network — the de-facto standard for
> years — is not, it is a decentralized replicated network — like
> Usenet; while keys.openpgp.org, to carry on the analogy, is like
> Facebook.
Yes, I would say it sho
* Samuel Thibault [2019-10-28 20:24]:
> Jean Louis, le lun. 28 oct. 2019 18:06:35 +0530, a ecrit:
> > Social Contract is now being discussed as something as adopted. I
> > do not see it is adopted.
>
> Nobody said it was adopted. Nobody even said such a thing would have
Hey Samuel,
Keep sending, you are welcome.
* Samuel Thibault [2019-10-28 23:34]:
> Jean Louis, le lun. 28 oct. 2019 21:54:00 +0530, a ecrit:
> > Now you say it did not start, nobody started talking about social
> > contract on this list. Huahahahhahahaha. How contradictory is tha
* Samuel Thibault [2019-10-29 00:12]:
> Jean Louis, le lun. 28 oct. 2019 21:54:00 +0530, a ecrit:
> > Virgin joke is a joke
>
> Now that I have read about it, I can definitely say that it is a
> completely inappropriate joke.
But I gave you the link, Russians are laughing, s
There was no intention and so I do not know why I am censored for "tit
for tat", moderator did not say. But I don't care to be censored. It
probably "offended" somebody. I guess it was a joke... hahhah
* Ruben Safir [2019-10-29 01:58]:
> On 10/28/19 2:41 PM, Samuel Th
* Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> [2019-10-29 14:26]:
> Jean Louis wrote:
> > * Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> [2019-10-28 17:53]:
> >> the SKS keyserver network — the de-facto standard for years — is not
> >> [proprietary], it is a decentr
* Dora Scilipoti [2019-10-30 04:37]:
> Hello,
>
> almost five days after submitting my request for subscription, it was
> finally approved. And a few hours before the approval happened, the
> moderation rules were updated with yet more restrictions, and this
> particular point:
>
> Tue, 29 Oct 2
* DJ Delorie [2019-10-30 18:21]:
> Dora Scilipoti writes:
> > Oh! I thought the conversations here were started to talk about a new
> > governance model specifically for GNU.
>
> Well... it's all related, but each sub-project in GNU itself needs a
> local governance model, and even if it's diffe
I can see here women activists on the FSF event to put Windows into
trash: https://ftp.gnu.org/pub/video/FSF_event.ogv while promoting
Windows 7 Sins: The case against Microsoft and proprietary software
http://en.windows7sins.org/
Sadly there was just one cute gnu... which probably is missing its
* Alfred M. Szmidt [2019-10-31 21:40]:
>Whatʼs about Readline and Tivoization, though?
>
> With Readline I was refering to how GNU clisp used readline, and was
> subsequently released under the GNU GPL. With Tivoization I was
> refering to how, and why the GNU GPL version 3 came to be under
* Dora Scilipoti [2019-11-01 12:55]:
> On 10/31/2019 03:05 PM, Jean Louis wrote:
>
> > We need more positive criticism and calls to action for women.
>
> Yes!
>
> Woman here. Leading the GNU Education Team that works towards the goal
> of bringing free software to s
* Carlos O'Donell [2019-11-01 14:27]:
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 9:20 AM Dora Scilipoti wrote:
> > Please note that the message posted by a woman on Oct 30 contains a
> > repetition of what we all have already read on dishonest media.
>
> Sandra Loosemore posted her opinions for the first time. Sh
* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-01 17:45]:
> This might be a good point. However, for the sake of correctness, note this
> is a joint statement of GNU *maintainers*.
It would be good to avoid generalization.
That was a statement that was created, people from various parts of
the world ca
If censored, this message will be published. If you are thinking of
censoring, instead, ask me and propose me which politically incorrect
sentences to delete from here. Please don't send my nonsensical
denigrating comments how I shall "calm down" or "think". Thank you
censor.
* Sandra Loosemore
* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-01 20:30]:
> Thank you for your answer,
>
> Le vendredi 1 novembre 2019, 18:37:54 CET Jean Louis a écrit :
> > That was a statement that was created, people from various parts of
> > the world cannot possibly make a joint statemen
heir own locations.
Free software projects may be as simple as:
1. Print or photocopy flyer from http://en.windows7sins.org/flyer.pdf
for 500 times.
2. Distribute to students in your university.
3. Place posters.
4. Inform local government decision makers to replace proprietary with
free software, tell them why.
Invent a project, and do.
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Jean Louis
any kind of coerced social contract in GNU. It
worked well without it for decades.
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* Florian Weimer [2019-11-02 02:47]:
> * Jean Louis:
>
> > But if you do so, then you are allowing one new direction in the GNU
> > project, that everyone involved in the GNU project should go around
> > GNU contributors and whoever else is related and connected to GNU t
* Mark Wielaard [2019-11-02 02:21]:
> On Fri, Nov 01, 2019 at 07:09:46PM +0100, Andreas Enge wrote:
> > The FSF is also a charity collecting donations and running servers and so on
> > for GNU, so it is very practical indeed. The latter could maybe move to GNU
> > proper, with the former needing t
* Marcel [2019-11-02 22:11]: > On 11/3/19 2:01 AM,
Carlos O'Donell wrote:
> > I have indicated to Marcel that if he wishes to repost messages
> > for review that the moderators (4 of us) are willing to review it
> > again.
>
> You censored twelve of my messages.
And 27 of mine.
12 you, 27 of me
* Mark Wielaard [2019-11-03 14:58]:
> On Sun, 2019-11-03 at 11:52 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Jean Louis, le dim. 03 nov. 2019 11:02:38 +0100, a ecrit:
> > > All of those messages were censored in a biased impartial way, as they
> > > allowed other side to t
e is less hypocrisy in that activity that you call
moderation, and I call it biased censorship.
I wish to see more moderation in the manner of a...@gnu.org, he makes
it specific and public, and people do tend to agree and go back to the
true discussion.
Your way of moderation is not well developed moderation. Take critics
and recognize that when people speak about your moderation that
something must be wrong there. Try to improve.
Thanks,
Jean Louis
Mark, those are just generalizations, if you wish to minimize flames,
minimize it from your stand point without inflating accusations.
Real moderation is public, it is not censorship. Censorship does not
allow people to see information. That is what you do. In same cases of
profanity I would agree
* Mark Wielaard [2019-11-02 17:04]:
> Thanks for saying so clearly what I believe many of us feel.
Comments on Internet clearly show that only minority of those who you
generalize as "many of us" believe that. By using generalization you
are inflating the number of people. It is simply incorrect,
My opinion on that:
* Ludovic Courtès [2019-11-03 17:37]:
> To what extent is the success of GNU, a project with thousands of
> volunteers, due to the dedication of a single person?
You imply with "single person" to be Dr. Richard Stallman.
It is evident that many people participated and partic
e
philosophy for reasons of mob justice.
Non-profits such as FSF, and also unincorporated associations such as
GNU project, can have their internal justice systems totally different
to government, and such system shall not be based or founded on any
principles that allow mob justice to take place.
Jean Louis
* Ruben Safir [2019-11-04 06:01]:
> On 11/3/19 11:51 PM, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
> > This is unkind and unconstructive.
>
> No it is not. It is SPOT ON and constructive.
Ruben, to tell to people "sod off" is not kind as it is British slang
for: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sod%20
* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 06:30]:
> I don’t like the term “bigot”. It seems mainly used against individual, for
> individual purposes. Not a very social term. I do not like “hysterical”
> neither, hovewer, but I don’t want it “removed from language”, just not (at
> least less)
* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 09:35]:
> Words carry connotation, emotional charge. For instance, look at
> these, that could very well be synonyms:
> unstable/versatile/flexible/dynamic, stable/rigid/ static. They
> could have some nuance, but in some contexts they will mean the same
* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 09:58]:
> The problem here is maybe less (or not for all) linked with
> punishment than with image. It seems, in this increasingly
> superficial society, people want to be proud of their celebrity for
> what they symbolize instead of what they do.
For Ric
* Federico Leva [2019-11-04 09:02]:
> Alexandre François Garreau, 01/11/19 18:30:
> > Though women participate in GNU,
> > are any of them fortunately software package maintainer? Unfortunately, I’m
> > not sure about this :/
LibrePlanet media is good place to see that it is not male society:
htt
* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 10:44]:
> > Some people are more emotional, some less, some have
> > traumas, and some don't have, we all react differently.
>
> Yes, but keep in mind what could be understood (in both senses: receptor and
> emitter). Insult are a convention, so are all
* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 11:52]:
> Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 10:50:56 CET, vous avez écrit :
> > * Federico Leva [2019-11-04 09:02]:
> > > Alexandre François Garreau, 01/11/19 18:30:
> > > > Though women participate in GNU,
> > > > are any of them fortunately software package maint
* gameonli...@redchan.it [2019-11-04 12:25]:
> Debian / Devuan installation is very quick and straight-forward, and the
> package vrms (inspired by rms) allows one to check if one has non-free
> packages. You can set up the full disk encryption off the bat there.
In Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre ther
* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 12:28]:
> I think women (and more generally, contributors, and stable ones) are even
> too
> few to see any formal preference of anybody over anybody within GNU
> yet.
Alexandre I understand point you wish to make.
Yet when you speak of formal preferenc
Religion, politics, and mentalities of various countries are not
subject of GNU free operating system and development of software.
Yet all of those subjects can benefit and get use of free software
philosophy and free software.
* gameonli...@redchan.it [2019-11-04 12:56]:
> Reasons fewer men con
* gameonli...@redchan.it [2019-11-04 14:05]:
> Windows is required to disable the trusted computing locks in Most new
> laptops. Other than windows there are only a few signed operating systems
> that can be installed without disabling said locks, and they are signed by
> microsoft.
That is sad s
* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 14:16]:
> > Women are smarter to choose activities that are more visually creative
> > or beautiful or have comfortable life style. It does not look
> > appealing to sit in corners and code on computer. They will sooner or
> > later find out what they are m
* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 15:00]:
> Purism do not respect users’ freedom:
> https://libreboot.org/faq.html#will-the-purism-laptops-be-supported
>
> Actually they “disable” it, but since it’s proprietary software, down to the
> cpu, and it still runs proprietary software, you can’
* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-04 15:10]:
> Le lundi 4 novembre 2019 15:05:02 CET, vous avez écrit :
> > Myself I do not see any real problem in gender cap, as it is something
> > one cannot really control. It indicates that society's type and its
> > culture is generaly to blame for gender
* Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> [2019-11-05 16:56]:
> > That is not quite so. In America country it is possible to use pen names.
>
> Why is it specific to ‘America country’ (whatever it is)?
I meant USA.
You are right, probably other countries also allow pen-name
copyrights.
When somebo
* Nala Ginrut [2019-11-05 17:03]:
>
> Seriously, if RMS can do some small coding work with existing GNU packages
> occasionally,
> maybe it's a good chance for advocating the package.
> The famous people attracts more eyes, even if some people don't like
> him.
> But I'm not sure if his current
* John Wiegley [2019-11-05 23:26]:
> He’s correct, I do not share the GNU philosophy, even if I enjoy
> supporting the technical aspects of the software they produce.
Yet you do allow as Emacs maintainer publishing of free software
improvements into Emacs?
That implies you do share one big chunk
* Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> [2019-11-05 23:57]:
> Andreas Enge wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 02, 2019 at 11:13:57PM +0300, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote:
> >> > We want to give everyone the opportunity to contribute to our efforts on
> >> > any of the many tasks that require work. We welcome all c
* Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> [2019-11-06 01:35]:
> Jean Louis wrote:
> > Yet you do allow as Emacs maintainer publishing of free software
> > improvements into Emacs?
> > publishing … into Emacs
> > into
>
> What?
>
> I suppose, youʼd
* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-06 03:14]:
> It’s natural to generalize, problem when generalization actually (linearly/
> monodimensionally) hierarchize people and becomes part of division culture or
> oppression.
It may be natural and human. But it is not rational, and what I mean
is sta
* Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> [2019-11-05 23:57]:
> Andreas Enge wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 02, 2019 at 11:13:57PM +0300, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote:
> >> > We want to give everyone the opportunity to contribute to our efforts on
> >> > any of the many tasks that require work. We welcome all c
* Mark Wielaard [2019-11-05 23:57]:
> Hi John,
>
> On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 01:39:46PM -0800, John Wiegley wrote:
> > He’s correct, I do not share the GNU philosophy, even if I enjoy
> > supporting the technical aspects of the software they produce.
>
> Boo! If you are not with us, then you are a
ish to say that public image is important, then public
shamings on Guix pages is causing the Streisand effect and has
absolutely no use for GNU project and does not do well to Guix
community. Several people already withdrawn their contributions to
Guix due to that.
Jean 2019-11-06
* Jean Louis [2
If we would all consider the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines, there
would be few of raised emotions and flames. Yet it is not easy to do so.
After the review of:
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.en.html I can tell
that I do share these thoughts, while in same time I find it dif
Main reason to disapprove public shamings on GNU and Guix pages is the
purpose to encourage contributions by everybody without
discrimination, see:
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.en.html
Quote:
==
Purpose
The GNU Project encourages contributions from anyone who wishes to
a
* Andreas Enge [2019-11-06 09:57]:
> On Wed, Nov 06, 2019 at 01:56:15AM +0300, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote:
> > Instead of making GNU more welcoming place by lessening the burden of
> > formalities, you in fact propose GNU to withdraw deeper into itself by
> > inventing ideology-driven ‘contracts’.
* Andreas Enge [2019-11-06 10:34]:
> Hello,
>
> starting with the subject of your message, it conflates two completely
> unrelated concepts: a social contract, which is a mission statement and
> statement of the general principles of an organisation, as well with respect
> to the inner workings a
* Thompson [2019-11-06 14:01]:
> Hello moderators,
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 9:56 PM Ruben Safir wrote:
> >
> > there has been NO problematic behavior by RMS. You would never have
> > survived 30+ years in the spotlight like he has. He has been rock solid
> > and saying otherwise don't give i
* Thompson [2019-11-06 15:37]:
> Hello again, moderators,
>
> I am asking you to place Jean Louis on moderation. I will give you
> some context in case you are unaware of their behavior:
>
> Jean Louis has been a consistently bad actor since the publishing of
> the state
* Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> [2019-11-07 03:07]:
> > I do not see how the aim of creating a harassment-free environment could be
> > construed as making GNU a less welcoming place...
>
> In other words, the only real aim of your ‘social contract’ is to
> impose that last paragraph about
Hello Andreas,
* Andreas Enge [2019-11-07 11:12]:
>
> In that sense, I understand the last paragraph of our open letter as
> an invitation to put enlightenment into practice: "We think it is
> now time for GNU maintainers to collectively decide about the
> organization of the project." Overcome
Dear Nala,
Greetings to China. I am eating here with chopsticks...
* Nala Ginrut [2019-11-07 15:03]:
>
> Hi Jean!
>
> Yes, I totally agreed. And I actually meant RMS's health status,
> personally I don't think the fame was hurt by the recent comments
> misinterpretation or even the previous pe
* Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) <936-846-2...@kylheku.com> [2019-11-08 09:02]:
> Of course even just a mildly sophisticated computer user knows that
> a web browser or text editor isn't part of a single monolithic system
> program, even if the pieces are all from Microsoft; users know that
> there
Dear Akira,
あなたのメッセージは大歓迎です. Welcome.
* Akira Urushibata [2019-11-08 05:27]:
> Observing recent events I notice that prejudice is at work. Prejudice
> is often invisible and hard to identify. But it does harm to society,
> especially when it is widespread. When we sense that prejudice exists
* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-08 19:14]:
> For those unaware: most mailing software can “filter” mails so you don’t see
> them, and they end up deleted or as spam [0].
>
> To help filtering him, here some mail address he publicly used so far:
> , ,
> (source [1]).
>
> Also, as he mi
* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-10 00:41]:
> Actually a lot of “high-level” user-end utilities are indeed not GNU… now
> even
> more so as Gnome is not anymore (and doesn’t want to be associated
> to) GNU.
At least Wikipedia says:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME
"GNOME is part of the
* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-10 23:33]:
> Le dimanche 10 novembre 2019 18:40:20 CET, vous avez écrit :
> > * Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-10 00:41]:
> > > Actually a lot of “high-level” user-end utilities are indeed not GNU… now
> > > even more so as Gnome is not anymore (and does
* Alexandre François Garreau [2019-11-11 04:35]:
> I was going to give the example of X Window System and TeX as
> official graphical interface and typesetter, yet less GNU and not
> managed by GNU ^^ They’re not GNU packages.
>
> The maintaining rules you quoted apply to maintainers as individua
* Mark Wielaard [2019-11-11 14:50]:
> Hi Brandon,
>
> On Fri, 2019-11-08 at 16:36 +, Brandon Invergo wrote:
> > A social contract is only a necessity in a community-run organization
> > because it helps prevent the organization from moving off-course. When
> > the moral compass of the organi
#x27;re trying to force maintainers to your world view
with a total disregard for their opinions."
--
Thanks,
Jean Louis
Dear Ludovic,
* Ludovic Courtès [2019-11-11 15:44]:
> Hi Florian,
>
> Florian Weimer skribis:
>
> > You are very, very wrong. We are trying very hard to stay within GNU,
> > but the feedback we have received so far on GNU mail lists suggests
> > that we are not wanted here.
>
> There is a pa
* Akira Urushibata [2019-11-12 15:09]:
> On Saturday I attended an open source event in Fukuoka, western
> Japan. I visited the booth of an organization named LinuC which
> conducts exams and issues certificates to those who pass.
>
> I had glanced through at one of the textbooks they recommend.
* Federico Leva [2019-11-12 15:13]:
> A common example is a self-appointed enforcer attached to an entity
> accountable only to itself (as many USA foundations are). If you add
> it on top of a project whose community is a do-ocracy or democracy,
> based on some values, there is no way to make sur
* Mark Wielaard [2019-12-27 10:40]:
> As volunteers for the GNU Project we are happy that the FSF provides GNU
> with services like fiscal sponsorship, technical infrastructure,
> promotion, copyright assignment, and volunteer management. And we note
> that the FSF is looking for feedback on this
* Mark Wielaard [2019-12-31 12:49]:
> It would indeed be good if we worked with the FSF to ratify the GNU
> Social Contract and make sure it doesn't clash with their mission. But
> given the FSF has several other programs it runs, I think it is better
> if it is self contained. I don't see it as a
Dear Mark,
On behalf of whom are you making these documents?
Is there authorization by RMS? Is it possible to see your
authorization?
Without it, such document is not holding water.
In relation to your document see my comments below:
* Mark Wielaard [2020-01-02 13:43]:
> Thanks. Attached is a
* Samuel Thibault [2020-01-02 21:44]:
> Jean Louis, le jeu. 02 janv. 2020 17:12:16 +0100, a ecrit:
> > * Mark Wielaard [2020-01-02 13:43]:
> > > Thanks. Attached is an updated version and a diff with this change and
> > > a few other small nitpicks mainly ai
* Samuel Thibault [2020-01-02 21:48]:
> Jean Louis, le ven. 27 déc. 2019 18:00:00 +0100, a ecrit:
> > * Mark Wielaard [2019-12-27 10:40]:
> > > To that end we have held discussions with other GNU maintainers,
> >
> > Who is "we" in particular?
>
* Andrej Shadura [2020-01-02 17:31]:
> On 27/12/2019 10:39, Mark Wielaard wrote:
> > As volunteers for the GNU Project we are happy that the FSF provides GNU
> > with services like fiscal sponsorship, technical infrastructure,
> > promotion, copyright assignment, and volunteer management. And we
* Samuel Thibault [2020-01-02 22:01]:
> Jean Louis, le jeu. 02 janv. 2020 21:53:48 +0100, a ecrit:
> > To say all in the context as you explained it would bring burden to
> > developers who did not plan to make it for blind users.
>
> And yet that's what *has* to be
* DJ Delorie [2020-01-04 04:56]:
> Mike Gerwitz writes:
> > The FSF does provide essential resources for the GNU Project, but it has
> > no say in how the project is governed. Those decisions must be made by
> > rms.
>
> It's important to remember that one of the "essential resources" is the
>
* DJ Delorie [2020-01-04 21:03]:
> Jean Louis writes:
> > Why should any policy of GNU be changed when they have been
> > functioning well for decades?
>
> This argument was used when GPLv2 was introduced, and again with GPLv3.
> Things change, we must adapt. "T
* Mark Wielaard [2020-01-03 13:59]:
> Hi Jean,
>
> On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 06:00:00PM +0100, Jean Louis wrote:
> > So when you say "as volunteers we are happy" -- which volunteers did
> > you ask to represent their views here? Did they give you consent for
> &g
Dear DJ Delorie,
There could be some misunderstandings of your message. You have
clarified it, thank you.
* DJ Delorie [2020-01-04 06:48]:
> > making, in my personal opinion and based on the Massachusets laws
> > where FSF was incorporated, RMS could insist on the influence or
> > policies of th
* Andreas Enge [2020-01-04 10:01]:
> Hello Mark,
>
> On Thu, Jan 02, 2020 at 01:42:13PM +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote:
> > > Mark Wielaard skribis:
> > > > Yes, I believe we are nitpicking at this point. And we do seem to
> > > > agree. But if we are nitpicking anyway, then I would keep it short an
* Thompson, David [2020-01-07 15:55]:
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 11:33 AM Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
> >
> > While I don't speak for or on behalf of the GNU project, I do
> > understand the current structure well enough such that I can speak
> > about it. As has been backed up by several people that
* Ludovic Courtès [2020-01-06 14:01]:
> Please assume good faith. The lesson here is that if long-time
> contributors or maintainers do not know for sure how this all works,
> perhaps we should see whether/how we can better document it.
>
> As a side note: I think authority is not something one
* Brandon Invergo [2020-01-06 15:06]:
>
> Ludovic Courtès writes:
>
> > As a side note: I think authority is not something one should take for
> > granted. We’re a group of volunteers, and each one of us has just as
> > much authority as the others consent to give them.
>
> No. When you join
Dear Andreas,
GNU project, which is about providing free operating system has its
founder Dr. Richard M. Stallman.
* Andreas Enge [2020-01-08 10:38]:
> Actually, even in more traditionally organised French non-profits,
> the president etc. are elected by a yearly assembly of all the
> members; I
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