I also wish that Kathleen had answered this part of my question: “How many
members of COAR are also members of cOAlition S?"
There is a public list of COAR members and a public list of signatories to Plan
S. I would have thought that if somebody want to know the level of overlap
they could
I was on the Advisory Board at the time and so my comments may be discounted.
But my feeling is that the history of the DOAJ over the past few years has been
that it has responded positively to very robust criticism, worked closely with
the wider community in an interactive and engaged way to
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Prosser mailto:david.pros...@rluk.ac
Dr Morrison’s arguments against the CC-BY licence are well known to readers of
this list and I acknowledge her sincerely held, and consistent, views on this.
But I’m afraid that I find using the murder of students to further, however
tangentially, that argument quite sickening.
David
On 7
Houghton et al. conducted an economic analysis of the potential transition for
the UK using 3 models (gold, green, transformative system building peer review
on archives) and found the transformative approach the most cost-effective by
far. This work used to be open access, but today this
As somebody who lives and works in the global north I can’t claim to have any
particular insight into this issue, but I do wonder whether the way we treat
access to content and access to publishing routes as symmetrical problems is
helpful.
Say I am a reader and I want to have read a paper
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From: David Prosser [mailto:david.pros...@rluk.ac.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:27 PM
To: Global Open Access List (Successo
OSI is very transparent about it’s funding and that transparency shows clearly
what Richard has stated - that the contribution from commercial, legacy
publishers has increased and now makes up a larger proportion of the total than
it did previously.
Can I also confirm the the organisation with
So it is the responsibility of libraries to prove the harm to publishers? Odd
On 21 Jun 2017, at 18:58, Hersh, Gemma (ELS-CAM)
> wrote:
Hi Danny
I agree it would be helpful if we all had (additional) evidence all parties
felt confident in.
I rather like the ‘How open is it?’ tool that approaches this as a spectrum:
http://sparcopen.org/our-work/howopenisit/
I may be quite ‘hard line’, but I acknowledge that by moving along the spectrum
a paper, monograph, piece of data (or whatever) becomes more open - and more
open is better
Around the time of the Finch Report in the UK one of the arguments one heard
against the UK attempting to be a first mover towards total open access was
that it we would ‘give away’ our research to competitors (especially the
Chinese - the whiff of xenophobia in the argument was always a
Let us not forget that Beall was as well versed in supplying FUD as anybody
else. Remember that he wrote that open access (in all it’s forms) was a plot
by European socialists and an existential threat to the scholarly process.
Let’s also not forget that for every false-positive Beall casually
Isn’t there a distinction between the use of PURE as a CRIS system and PURE as
a repository. I get the feeling the former is much more common than the latter
and only the latter will appear in OpenDOAR.
David
On 18 May 2016, at 15:20, Ross Mounce
is? What can it do
right now to mitigate the effects of these developments?
Richard Poynder
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[mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of David Prosser
Sent: 30 December 2015 10:24
To: Global Open Access List (Successo
While we huff and puff about Berlin 12 and ridiculous suggestions that the
entire open access movement is slipping ‘into closed mode’, Elsevier is having
confidential meetings with UK Government Ministers of State. Meetings that are
apparently not covered by the Freedom of Information Act:
ls in a
> larger package, or a combination of these.
>
> Perhaps David would take a look the 30 titles and provide some additional
> data?
>
> Dana L. Roth
> Millikan Library / Caltech 1-32
> 1200 E. California Blvd. Pasadena, CA 91125
> 626-395-6423 fax 626-792-7540
> dzr..
Marc’s post reminds me that there was the EC-funded, STM-run PEER project that
attempted to do exactly this comparison:
http://www.stm-assoc.org/public-affairs/resources/peer/
One of the aims of PEER was to discover the effect of Green OA on journal
viability - for the journals that took part
> http://library.caltech.edu/collections/chemistry.htm
>
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> Prosser [david.pros...@rluk.ac.uk]
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 5:38 AM
> To: Global Open Access Li
It is well known that what people do and what they say they will do can be
different. If you find that real-life behaviour and reported behaviour are
different then you have to look at where the problems lie with the surveys.
There are a number of journals that make papers freely available in
To get an idea of the size of the problem of ‘predatory' publishers, does
anybody know:
a) the proportion of papers published each year in ‘predatory’ publishers
compared to the total number of papers published worldwide; or even
b) the proportion of papers published each year in ‘predatory’
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To get an i
in paid Gold
then it is tiny! (And I don’t see why your preferred ratio is any more
‘correct’ than mine.)
David
On 9 Sep 2015, at 13:23, Stevan Harnad
<amscifo...@gmail.com<mailto:amscifo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 6:24 AM, David Prosser
<david.pro
Ever since ‘Open Access’ was first defined there have been people who have
wanted to redefine it. Heather is the latest of these. The trouble is, by
broadening the definition of ‘Open Access’ it is in danger of becoming
meaningless.
So, Heather wants to include journals who make their
Heather has mentioned in her posts a couple of times the fact that in the
Review of RCUK Open Access Policy, ‘Scholars and scholarly societies noted that
the RCUK preference for CC-BY was problematic with respect to third party
works’. In the interests of balance it is worth remembering, and
I no financial wizard, but I naively think that if the price I pay for a
service is less than the price I paid for that service last year then that
counts as a price reduction.
David
On 23 May 2015, at 00:14, Dana Roth
dzr...@library.caltech.edumailto:dzr...@library.caltech.edu wrote:
One
I remember severn or eight years ago a prominent publisher saying that allowing
green self-archiving was a massive tactical mistake on the part of publishers.
They only allowed it because they believed it would never gain any traction.
This is why Elsevier is back-paddling furiously and we
In defending Jeffrey Beall, Michael Schwartz writes:
Gratuitous insulting comments about [] character are inappropriate, to say the
least.”
I assume that Michael hasn’t read much of Mr Beall’s writings. Or is he being
ironic?
David
On 14 May 2015, at 15:14, Michael Schwartz
It is unlikely that many authors have contracts with publishers requiring a
particular license even at the time of publication.
When an author submits a paper to a journal they often get a selection of
licenses to choose from. Surely that’s part of the contract to publish?
David
On 29 Apr
On the publicly-accessible PLoS website we find
(http://www.plosone.org/static/editorial#copyright):
3. Copyright and Licensing
Open Access Agreement
Upon submitting an article, authors are asked to indicate their agreement to
abide by an open access Creative Commons license (CC-BY).
in agreement on all of the details. I hope this
discussion is useful for those interested in developing best practices for OA
implementation.
best,
Heather Morrison
On Apr 8, 2015, at 9:14 AM, David Prosser
david.pros...@rluk.ac.ukmailto:david.pros...@rluk.ac.uk wrote:
Jeroen - CC-BY license
Jeroen - CC-BY license
Heather - NO!!! the CC-BY license is a major strategic error of the open
access movement. Allowing downstream commercial use to anyone opens up the
possibility of re-enclosure. The temptation towards perpetual copyright for
profit-taking should not be
/Considerations_for_licensors_and_licensees.
David
On 8 Apr 2015, at 19:26, Heather Morrison
heather.morri...@uottawa.camailto:heather.morri...@uottawa.ca wrote:
hi David,
On 2015-04-08, at 12:47 PM, David Prosser wrote:
Hi Heather
OK, so let’s take your specific example. Every open access paper in PMC is
mirrored
/publishers/
I suspect that David Prosser grossly underestimates the problems these
publishers cause for researchers in less developed countries.
Dana L. Roth
Millikan Library / Caltech 1-32
1200 E. California Blvd. Pasadena, CA 91125
626-395-6423 fax 626-792-7540
dzr
://www.elsevier.com/journal-authors/authors-update/authors-update/warning-re.-fraudulent-call-for-papers
or the necessity of Jeffrey Beall's extensive listing of predatory publishers
at:
http://scholarlyoa.com/publishers/
I suspect that David Prosser grossly underestimates the problems these
publishers
Quote: Predatory publishing has damaged the very foundations of scholarly and
academic publishing,
No it hasn’t. It’s a minor annoyance, at most.
David
On 23 Sep 2014, at 07:47, anup kumar das
anupdas2...@gmail.commailto:anupdas2...@gmail.com wrote:
Predatory Journals and Indian
I’m not sure that Dr Weckowska has thought through the full implications of the
HEFCE policy:
In addition, she says: “Under the new HEFCE policy, researchers have incentives
to make their best 4 papers accessible through the gold or green OA route
(assuming that the REF again requires 4
.
David
On 16 Dec 2013, at 22:14, Sally Morris wrote:
Actually, as far as I can recall, the idea of 'hybrid journals' was first
proposed by David Prosser of SPARC Europe in 2003, as a way for publishers to
move towards 100% conversion to OA
David will no doubt say if this is not so
Who introduced hybrid journals?
I'm not 100% sure, but that may have been me! It seemed like a good idea at
the time...
David
On 16 Dec 2013, at 20:28, Jean-Claude Guédon wrote:
Le lundi 16 décembre 2013 à 14:34 +, Graham Triggs a écrit :
On 14 December 2013 20:53, Jean-Claude
[mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf
Of David Prosser
Sent: 12 December 2013 08:37
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
Subject: [GOAL] Re: Jeffrey Beall Needlessly Compromises
CredibilityofBeall's List
Let me get this right, Jean-Claude mentioning the Budapest Open Access
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Of David Prosser
Sent: 09 December 2013 22:10
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
Subject: [GOAL] Re: Jeffrey Beall Needlessly Compromises Credibility
ofBeall's List
'Lackeys'? This is going beyond parody
'Lackeys'? This is going beyond parody.
David
On 9 Dec 2013, at 21:45, Beall, Jeffrey wrote:
Wouter,
Hello, yes, I wrote the article, I stand by it, and I take responsibility for
it.
I would ask Prof. Harnad to clarify one thing in his email below, namely this
statement, OA is
, David Prosser david.pros...@rluk.ac.uk
wrote:
I don't follow the logic of this.
[1] Authors want to get the prestige of publication in journals.
[2] Authors of very poor papers know they can only get published in journals
where the peer review is lax (perhaps to the point of non
correct this. It's basically 30% of $4000
On 3 Oct 2013, at 23:04, Beall, Jeffrey wrote:
David,
Thank you for your ignoratio elenchi.
--Jeffrey
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David Prosser
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 3:03 PM
Jeffrey
in the comment section to your post Ahmed Hindawi points out that the average
revenue per paper published by Hindawi is about $600. For people like Elsevier
it is in excess of $4000 per paper. I think it is clear which publisher is
taking (significantly) more money out of the system.
Rick
I don't know if there is a way of getting a list, but I think you are
conflating two things. I assume you are saying you would cancel if all of the
content of the journal was available without embargo. Sherpa/Romeo doesn't
tell you that - it just tells you whether or not the publisher
There is a lot to object to in this. But what struck me as odd was:
Due to the recognized half-life of social science research, Emerald has
followed guidance in reviewing its approach, and has requested that authors
wait 24 months before depositing their post-prints if a mandate is in
of averaging the price per arti=
cle of Gold today -- but we can be sure that the post-Green cost will be su=
bstantially lower than the average publisher revenue per article for subscr=
iptions today, pre-Green.
Stevan Harnad
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:18 AM, David Prosser david.pros
indulges in it
cannot be described as on the side of the angels. For reasons I don't
understand Steven wants to give Elsevier that title, despite all the evidence
of their policy.
David
On 5 May 2013, at 14:07, Stevan Harnad wrote:
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 5:32 AM, David Prosser david.pros
, Stevan Harnad wrote:
On 2013-05-03, at 2:57 AM, David Prosser david.pros...@rluk.ac.uk wrote:
I agree with Andras and I cannot see how any publisher who has a policy
along the lines of:
You may make your author version freely available without embargo unless you
are mandated (by funder
(Cross-posted)
The Economist has published another piece on open access publishing:
http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21577035-open-access-scientific-publishing-gaining-ground-free-all
I was struck by one paragraph in particular:
Outsell, a Californian consultancy, estimates
-assocs.demon.co.uk
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post
Subject: [GOAL] Comparing Revenues for OA and Subscription Publishing
@eprints.org
On 2013-03-14, at 12:09 PM, David Prosser wrote:
Surely this is a red herring. Open access is about making the papers freely
available, not about making any services that can be built on top of them
freely (or 'cheaply', however we want to define 'cheaply') available. If
somebody
Surely this is a red herring. Open access is about making the papers freely
available, not about making any services that can be built on top of them
freely (or 'cheaply', however we want to define 'cheaply') available. If
somebody can make a lot of money mining the literature and identifying
As the chart has data going back to 2000 and OASPA was only formed in 2008 I'm
finding it difficult to see how the figures can be influenced by growing OASPA
membership!
David
On 11 Mar 2013, at 20:57, Heather Morrison wrote:
OASPA has posted a picture of a chart of CC-BY growth on their
growth of open access.
During this time frame, there has been dramatic growth not only in OA
journals, but also in repositories and their contents.
- the OASPA chart shows a significant upswing in 2008, the year OASPA was
formed as David Prosser points out.
In order to properly assess
This is a slightly odd argument. I don't think that anybody has ever claimed
that a CC-BY license is all that you need to data mine. Obviously, if the data
are not in a format that can be mined then the license is almost irrelevant.
The claim by CC-BY supporters is that it is the optimal
With apologies for cross-posting.
Dear colleagues,
OAI8, the 8th Workshop on Innovations in Scholarly Communication will be held
in Geneva, Switzerland, from Wednesday 19th to Friday 21st June 2013. Program
details, registration and the call for posters are now available at
Apologies for cross-posting
Please note the early-bird registration date of 27 March
David
Dear colleagues,
OAI8, the 8th Workshop on Innovations in Scholarly Communication will be
Apologies, as ever, for cross positing. A new Inquiry on Open Access in the UK Parliament. This is a committee of MPs who scrutinise the workings of our Department of Business, Innovation and Skills (BIS). Universities and research funding sit under this department.David
Begin forwarded
I would echo Fred's comments, but would urge respondents not to avoid the issue
of embargo periods for green OA. You may have a view as to how long embargoes
should be, whether they should be lengthened, and whether there is any evidence
that embargoes harm subscriptions.
David
On 11
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Of David Prosser
Sent: 11 December 2012 19:53
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
Subject: [GOAL] Re: Interview with Harvard's Stuart Shieber
As ever, Richard has put together a fascinating
Actually, I find it very easy not to conclude with Beall's sentiments. I think
'predatory' publishers are, and will continue to be, a small unpleasant corner
of the publishing landscape.
And are we really saying that the average cost of APCs is artificially lowered
by including 'predatory'
As ever, Richard has put together a fascinating and entertaining interview, and
augmented it with a really useful essay on the current state of OA policies.
I have a small quibble. On page two, Richard writes:
...or by means of gold OA, in which researchers (or more usually their
funders) pay
business.
David
On 11 Oct 2012, at 02:32, Heather Morrison wrote:
On 10-Oct-12, at 2:58 PM, David Prosser wrote:
...The simple fact is that the Springer OA articles published to date
will remain OA whoever purchases the company
Comment:
This sounds very reassuring. However, I argue
Unless you believe that private companies should not be allowed to run
scholarly publishing services (a position I don't hold) then I don't see any
implications. I guess any new owner may feel that the OA business is not
profitable enough, in which case they will either a) put prices up and
Or you could ask your friendly local librarian if it is available on
inter-library loan - there are at least two copies of the print version in UK
libraries, plus there should be a copy in the BL.
David
On 9 Oct 2012, at 17:38, Pippa Smart wrote:
Alternatively it might be an incentive to
Of course, to a greater or lesser extent all journals are supported by the
'fairy godmother' model. With peer reviewers playing the part of the fairy
godmothers!
David Prosser
On 9 Aug 2012, at 11:50, Sally Morris wrote:
These are all examples of the 'fairy godmother' payment model
] On Behalf Of
David Prosser
Sent: 09 August 2012 12:08
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
Subject: [GOAL] Re: Publications managed byscholarly communities/institutions
Of course, to a greater or lesser extent all journals are supported by the
'fairy godmother' model
Laurent makes an important point. OA policies are between the funders or
institutions and the researchers. These agreements come before any agreement
regarding copyright assignment between authors and publishers. So, it is the
job of publishers to decide if they are willing to live with the
too expensive. If you want OA there are cheaper - and
often better - alternatives.
David
On 30 May 2012, at 16:46, Peter Murray-Rust wrote:
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:36 PM, David Prosser david.pros...@rluk.ac.uk
wrote:
Dear All
An economic analysis also suggested that the cost
Whenever I talk to university administrators, heads of school, individual
researchers, or other library staff about Open Access I have to be strategic
about it. I have to predict which of the many arguments in favour of Open
Access will resonate most directly with the specific audience.
Say I wanted to data mine 10,000 articles. I'm at a university, but I am
co-funded by a pharmaceutical company and there is a possibility that the
research that I'm doing may result in a new drug discovery, which that company
will want to take to market. The 10,000 articles are all 'open
reviewing for free.)
Mike's analogy suggests that the producers (authors) only need the
quality control (peer review) for their careers (journal prestige).
But they need it as consumers (users) too, so they know what is safe
to eat (use, apply, build upon). [And (as David Prosser has been
correctly
Oh come on Thomas, I know you like to be provocative, but:
It is not libraries that submit their papers to publishers and sign over
exclusive rights, nor is it libraries that compel researchers to do so.
It is not libraries that provide peer-review services to publishers for free
It is not
it because the researchers, administrators,
and students at their institutions require them to do it.
David
On 11 Jan 2012, at 10:34, Thomas Krichel wrote:
David Prosser writes
Oh come on Thomas, I know you like to be provocative, but:
I think it better to stick to the issues, rather
Colleagues
Apologies for cross-postings
OAI7, the 7th Cern Workshop on Innovations in Scholarly Communication,
at http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceDisplay.py?ovw=TrueconfId=103325, is being
held on 22-24 June 2011 in the University of Geneva. OAI Workshops
are THE Open
Access event in Europe
Andrew
In the UK we have the United Kingdom Council of Research Repositories (UKCoRR):
http://www.ukcorr.org/index.php
which supports and represents repository managers.
Best wishes
David
Â
David C Prosser PhD
Executive Director, RLUK
On 30 Nov 2010, at 03:16, Stevan Harnad wrote:
*Apologies for cross-posting*
OAI7, the seventh CERN Workshop is meeting in the University of Geneva on 22 to
24 June 2011. The theme of the workshop is innovations in scholarly
communication with particular attention to technical infrastructures and
protocols, Open Access publishing, and
Am I the only person who thinks this just isn't good enough? We need either
a citation or a retraction.
David
-Original Message-
From: American Scientist Open Access Forum
[mailto:american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org] On
Behalf Of Sally Morris (Morris
OUP has taken the proportion of OA content in it's journals into account
when setting prices. For 2009 prices see:
http://www.oxfordjournals.org/oxfordopen/charges
David
David Prosser
Director, SPARC Europe
-Original Message-
From: American Scientist Open Access Forum
[mailto:american
Hang on, deposit is not an `arbitrary hoop' that the publisher can
jump through as and when they are bothered. It is a condition of the
contract between the Wellcome and the publisher. If a publisher
accepts Wellcome's money to make a paper Gold OA then one of the
conditions of the contract
`and I repeat: it is an arbitrary and counterproductive hoop that the
publisher is being paid to jump through, for no good reason
whatsoever, and to no genuine advantage, just disadvantage'
And I repeat that if you have taken money to jump through an
arbitrary hoop then you can, and should,
So, there is little hard evidence as to whether discussion of Gold helps or
hinders in an institution's attempt to implement a Green OA mandate. One of
the few pieces of evidence that we have, from Harvard, suggests that it can
help. However, this fails to fit in with Stevan's narrative and so
The implication is that it is far more productive (of OA) for universities
and funders to mandate Green OA than to fund Gold OA.
And if it was a case of either/or then you may well be right. But it's not
and I still see no strategic benefit in pretending that it is.
David
David C Prosser PhD
Interestingly, the main objection against the policy as reported was:
Open access will kill the journals you need during your career,
women's studies professor and university senator Claire Moses said.
It's as simple as that.
That is not a gold/green OA misunderstanding. That's just a
*Apologies for Cross Posting*
Press Release
SPARC Europe Announces Call-for-Nominations for the Fourth Award for
Outstanding Achievements in Scholarly Communications
Award to Honour Leaders in Field of Scholarly Communications
17th March, 2009
For more information, contact: David Prosser
I'm afraid that I still don't understand where this idea comes from
that deposit mandates and open access journal deals are either/or
propositions. They are not and never will be.
I think some confusion is arising from a misunderstanding of how
decisions are made in universities. The
(*Apologies for cross-posting*)
Press Release
Leo Waaijers Receives SPARC Europe Award for Outstanding Achievements
in Scholarly Communications, 2008
April 22, 2008
For more information, contact: David Prosser,
david.pros...@bodley.ox.ac.uk
LUND, Sweden - As part of the Fourth
However, despite the six out of seven funding bodies requiring green OA, we
do not yet see substantial compliance from academics as a result.
One thing to remember is that most of these policies apply to papers
resulting from new projects funded after 1 October 2006 (or 1 December 2006
for the
It is extremely difficult to know who PRISM speaks for. On the website
(http://www.prismcoalition.org/about.htm) they claim to be a partnership and
coalition. The press release announcing the launch of PRISM talks of a
'coalition of scholarly societies and publishers'. However, I can't see
In these discussions about authors doing, or being forced to do, what is
'good for them' we appear to forget that we already force authors to do
'what is good for them'. For example:
In return for providing research grants we force researchers to deposit
gene sequences, protein sequences, etc.
Ensuring that the results of the research projects they fund are
disseminated as widely as possible is surely a legitimate thing for the
NIH to do and for the US Government to require the NIH to do. The
current system does not maximise the dissemination of those results so
resulting in reduced
as Liber is toll-access; but perhaps
David Prosser could explain the last sentence in the above summary:
Authors can now self-archive their own work making it available to
millions and new open access journals extend this by providing a
peer-review service to ensure quality control
Without
The Press Release is now online at:
http://www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_committees/science_and_technology
_committee/scitech111203a.cfm
David
David C Prosser PhD
Director
SPARC Europe
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