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Dear fellow posters,
I don't mean to be Chicken Little here, but in a
moment I will seem to be. I haven't followed the
discussion about Catholic Churches being built atop
Hindu temples in its entirety, just in bits and
pieces. While I certainly don't want to advise anyone
on what to discuss, I
Dear Mario,
The reason I often choose not to respond to posts is
because having made my point I do not wish to belabour
it. I know it is customary on this forum to go back
and forth on arguments but I have neither the time nor
the inclination to do so.
The other reasons I did not respond to a
Dear Cornel,
Bravo to you! I don't know if you've watched the
documentary Born in a Brothel, I highly recommend it.
It doesn't deal with child labour at all but as the
title states it's about children born to Indian
prostitutes. What struck me is, when these children
were given opportunities two
Dear Mario,
Sometimes you make me laugh and laugh and laugh. I
laugh so hard, I just roll off my couch. Believe me
there are more weapons of mass destruction, hidden by
my little daughter, underneath my couch than there are
in Iraq.
Elisabeth
Mario wrote:
You
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I am sure as, Dr Khushwant Singh and Chidambaram,
revel in the headway that India is
Dear Mr Floriano,
Likewise I am a great admirer of yours, although I do
not warrant your reciprocal admiration. You, Sir are a
doer and are doing much good for Goa. You are the
alternative voice that Goa needs. It is unfortunate
that a grass-roots movement such as yours will take a
long time to
I am sure as, Dr Khushwant Singh and Chidambaram,
revel in the headway that India is making, their
foremost wish is Malthus be gone. Unfortunately, the
spectre of Maltus will follow both India and China
well into the next century.
One of the economic magazines is carrying a story,
about how
Dear Mario,
I am assuming that you are using the second example to
prove that the first assumption is incorrect. Hence,
proving once in for all that science is not to be
trusted. This is the same type of rationalisation that
Conservatives use to prove that evolution is a myth.
Monkey's bottom
Dear Preetam,
Thank you for posting this article. I too read it and
then lost the link, and tried unsuccessfully to
retrieve it.
I find it totally abhorrent that girls are being made
to wear the Salwar Kameez as a school uniform in Goa.
In the article, it stated that the Salwar Kameez would
be
Dear Cornel,
With all due respect (of which I have ample for you),
the analogy is a spurious one and undeserving of
Gilbert's post.
The US is grappling with an immigration problem and
there is much debate about this. There are an
estimated 20 million illegal immigrants from Latin
America
Dear Gilbert,
This is a good post but response to it maybe limited.
I don't know how many Goans are based in the US on
this forum and of those how many are closely following
the immigration debate.
I disagree with you about the Dubai Ports deal. It was
not economics or security that kept that
Helga,
I am becoming a great fan of yours. You tell it like
it is. We need more women on this forum. Hurrah for
women.
Elisabeth
--- HELGA GOMES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why? I am ashamed too. This is not a 'I Look at Goa
through UV glasses'
forum. Here is a
Dear Mario,
To slightly misquote Mark Twain, rumours of my demise
have been exaggerated. It was my laptop that had met
with a sorry end; am armed with a new one. Anyway,
good to see you in top form.
Elisabeth
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--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Elisabeth,
Welcome
Actually Kevin, it's fair play. Afterall, that's what
a democracy is. That's the reason, so many stalwart
Goans risked their life and limb, so we can could be
freed from the shackles of colonialism and become a
democratic state.
Felly/Francis/Frankie?Hankie/Pankie, is free to say
what he wants. I
Dear Francis,
Thank you for the advice. I maybe ashamed to be Goan
on account of the Da Vinci Code debacle but I am still
a Goan and there are still Goans in Goa and in
diaspora, that make me proud to call myself a Goan. No
doubt, the Da Vinci episode will soon be forgotten but
something very
Well said Helga!
Elisabeth
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good job Cecil.Yes we now have the dubious honor of
being one of the few
regions in the world to ban the Da Vinci Code. I say
few because I have
excluded the Taliban, the Wahabi mullahs from Saudi
Today, I hang my head in shame as we have proved to
the rest of India that we are as intolerant as the RSS
and that we are as capable of stoking religious
sentiment for political gain as the BJP. I am truly
ashamed of being a Goan. I am ashamed of belonging to
that last bastion of the Congress
End times Gilbert? We can't even tell the end-times
for most American daytime TV soaps. Some of them have
been going on for an eternity. :)
Elisabeth
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--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
To those who are superstitious
Dear Mervyn,
I do not create disparities, I just report on them. To
liken situations and drawn analogies to Nazi Germany
is simplistic.
Elisabeth
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Elisabeth,
While you have some great points in the above, I
find
it troubling that you feel any immigrant
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jobs.
Elisabeth
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In countries such as Canada, the Gulf, Singapore,
influx is carefully controlled both in terms of
the
quantity and quality that is taken in and steps
are
put
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Dear Just Curious,
We were all wishing Cecil, a happy anniversary in
public because in today's world celebrating your 10th
wedding anniversary is a rare occasions. Furthermore,
in private some of us have put together a fund and
mailed Beatrice a medal of honour:)
Elisabeth
many more years of marital bliss!
elisabeth
--- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Congratulations to Beatrice and Cecil Pinto who
celebrate their 10th wedding anniversary today.
Cecil has entertained us with his humourous posts
over the years.
Please join me in wishing them many
Dear Gilbert,
My daughter knocked my laptop off the table and I am
now given restricted access to my husband's computer.
As such my responses are going to be very brief out of
compulsions beyond my control :)
I honestly don't have the answers to your several
questions but far from giving advice
.
Elisabeth
--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote:
To me, the personal life of Jesus is as divorced
from his message as Clinton's should have been
from
his politics.
Mario wonders:
In my never humble opinion, if someone's personal
life
is deliberately
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wrote:
Which is why we'd have fewer wars
Hi Vivian,
PDD cannot be contracted by women even with frequent
contact. Thank goodness :)) Which is why we'd have
fewer wars if more women were incharge. Afterall,
we're not obsessed with proving that we've got the
bigger heat-seeking missile :)
Elisabeth
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No this is not the controversial topic I promised but
in the interests of science and philosophy, this is
far more important. As a disclaimer, I admit that this
theory isn't based on a large population survey, nor
is it validated by any other specific statistical
tool. It is just based on
Hi Gilbert,
How are you? How is the grandchild?
Much has been said and written about Dan Brown and far
more eloquently than I ever could. The only thing I
would like to add is that Dan Brown is neither a
historian nor a theologian. He's a novelist. Far more
damning books have been written about
Hi all,
I'm back and missed you'll. I had over 300 mails in
the inbox and looks like I missed some robust
discussions. Dan Brown has been done to death, I see,
so we shall have to start on something new and
utterly, butterly controversial.
I'm putting my thinking cap on!! :))
Elisabeth
Hi all,
Have been shifting these past few days. Am waiting to
respond to all the diatribes ahem mail that awaits me
:))
Elisabeth
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Mario,
How long did you stay up last night to type all this
up? :) If I was your wife, I'd kick you in your
conservative pants :))
Elisabeth
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--- Mario Goveia wrote:
This is a well known fact only among modern
political liberals, who continue to promote the
Dear Mario,
It's a well-known fact that US Conservatives try to
claim as their own, heros that most certainly don't
belong to them. They do this by adding words like
compassionate and modern in front of the word
Conservative. But to claim John Mill as one of their
own is stretching the truth a bit
In 1633, the Pope imprisoned an innocent man and asked
him to recant a certain hypothesis. The man spent the
rest of his life under house-arrest. His name was
Galileo and his assertion was simple. That the earth
revolved round the sun. The Church at the time
believed that the earth was the
This reminds me of the time, the Catholic Church
decided to ban/boycott Carnivale in Goa. In addition
to circulating various untruths, this bald-faced lie
was part of the propaganda machine. That there was a
substantial increase in abortions following Carnivale.
For this to transpire, the
Dear Santosh,
Although I agree with you in the main, I think the
distinction between the viewpoint and the person
who holds that viewpoint is a blurred and tenuous one.
If one holds a certain belief, I think we extrapolate
that the person acts in a certain manner consistent
with the view he/she
Dear Nasci,
Were you under the influence of the Holy Spirit when
you wrote this or was some other spirit guiding you?
Elisabeth
--- Nasci Caldeira wrote:
Nasci adds:
Besides the enlightenment in religious orientation
and wisdom as a Goan
(Indian) Christian,
Dear Edward,
Remember what happened in the garden of Eden? Eve
was
banned from eating the fruit of knowledge. That
didn't stop her and I suspect rallies are not going
to
stop anyone who wants to, from watching the Da Vinci
code.
A minority holding rallies will not affect the
I've often wondered whether I should dedicatedly
further my own point of view in a debate because I
feel it is the right view or whether I should be
capable of holding two opposing points of view in my
mind and appreciating both of them.
I don't know the answer to that quandary. When I get
the
Dear Jerry,
Have you ever heard the following jokes?
Why do Jews breath?
Why do African-Americans have chickens in their yard?
I won't tell you the punchlines. Do you know why?
Because they are racial slurs. In the same vein, this
so-called nodding of the head is a racial slur
propagated by
Dear Nasci,
I guess I can forget about that Burgundy down the
Yarra then? :)) I'll just have to depend on that Dukra
Mass, Mario is going to be buying me. One more
outburst and Mario may make that aad mass. :))
Elisabeth
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--- Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Gabe,
In life, one is bound to inadvertently insult someone
or the other with their thoughts, views or writings.
It's important to be loyal to your own values,
principles and agendas and then, let the chips fall
where they may.
Unless you particularly dislike a poster, you are
bound to find
Hi Eugene,
Do jump in where angels fear to tread :) Your imput
will be greatly appreciated.
Elisabeth
--- Eugene Correia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's nice to hear new voices on goanet. Maybe a year
or more I lamented the absence of female voices
which
were once loud and clear. Oldtimers
Mervyn3.0
I think you are confusing affirmative action with
jobs being reserved. Affirmative action requires a
conscientious effort by the employer to diversify its
work-group. To this end, the employer may have a plan
drawn out as to how it will achieve this goal.
Generally the 4/5 rule applies
Dear Cornel,
Seems like you enjoyed your trip. I think the wine is
bottled in plastic rather than glass probably because
plastic is cheaper.
You should have tried the croc. I've never had but
have had alligator here in the US. It's sort of like
chicken and with a little tartar sauce can be quite
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Dear Aunty
You velly funny. I have problem. Don't know if
suffering from mad cow disease or foot in mouth
disease. How to find out?
Elisabeth
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--- Bosco D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat Apr 29 21:27:24 PDT 2006, Elisabeth Carvalho
wrote:
Secondly I don't know if anyone read my original
post
but I stated very clearly that the term NRIs has
lost
its original and true meaning and has been loosely
interpreted to mean
There seems to be confusion not just on this forum but
in general in India as well, as to what NRI voting
rights entails. The following link may shed some light
on the matter.
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20060122/world.htm#2
One of the extracts from this article is as follows:
The
Dear Paulo,
I am sorry to blow a hole in your theory but I have
infact always been and still am an NRI in the truest
sense of the word. I may reside in the USA but I am an
Indian citizen who pays my taxes every year and will
return to India in the near future. There has never
been any question
Mario done!
I'll buy you a glass of feni at Georgie's bar if you
promise to buy me a kilo of dukra mass at the tinto.
:)
Elisabeth
--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Elisabeth Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Edna wrote a book, which Pratap
Dear Nasci,
I think you are mixing the issue of absentee voting
ballots and that of NRI voting rights. Or perhaps I am
getting it wrong? Maybe someone in India/Goa can
illuminate us.
From what I understand of the situation, what the
government wants to do is to bring into the electoral
fold, all
Dear Nasci,
Thank you for the example of the Italian Govt.
Whenever we come across information like this it
expands the scope of our debate and allows us to take
decisions with wider perception.
However, a minor correction on the term NRI. You are
right, it does mean Non-Resident Indian, in the
Dear Mario,
By others I suspect you mean me. It's ok, I'm a big
girl, I can take it. I didn't jump on any bandwagon
nor should the reasons escape you, as I make them
adequately clear in my post.
Gilbert may have been amiss in accusing Avelino of
writing the review, but what followed was also
what happens they all land up at Cecil Pinto's
workshop?
Elisabeth
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--- Melinda Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Elisabeth Carvalho worte
I was ofcourse being flippant and resorting to
stereotype, when adding that one-liner. However
since
I
As a second generation NRI, the concept of NRI voting
rights is of great interest to me. Firstly, the term
NRI has been generally misused. NRI, is not a group of
people. The term was primarily a banking concept,
first introduced to accommodate those intrepid souls
that made their way to the
Dear Melinda Powell,
I apologise sincerely for having upset the airline
world. I too spent 6 years of my life in the travel
industry at the tail-end of poor jokes and disrespect.
I know how difficult the entire hospitality industry
is, from hotels to airlines to any ground operations.
I was
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Elisabeth Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not too sure about the discussions that
preceded,
but I agree with Gilbert that the review of Holy
Warriors by Pratap Mehta, is disingenuous to say the
least. It is no secret that most reviewers earn
their
bread and butter, trying
Victorio darling, if I don't stretch the truth (much
like Pratap Mehta) every now and then, do you think
anyone would read the drivel I write? :)) Lighten up
and drink that free beer you get onboard. :))
Elisabeth
--- Victor Rangel-Ribeiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Elisabeth Carvalho [EMAIL
the
Pulitzer, I'm not too sure.
Elisabeth
--- Elisabeth Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'm not too sure about the discussions that
preceded,
but I agree with Gilbert that the review of Holy
Warriors by Pratap Mehta, is disingenuous to say the
least. It is no secret that most reviewers earn
I'm not too sure about the discussions that preceded,
but I agree with Gilbert that the review of Holy
Warriors by Pratap Mehta, is disingenuous to say the
least. It is no secret that most reviewers earn their
bread and butter, trying to be psuedointellectuals
pontificating over material they
Dear Valmiki,
I'm not sure if Goa has this already but maybe a
certain investment should be made in highway patrol
cops. These are generally cops on power bikes or
cars, who will chase after you on a highway, siren
blasting, until they catch up with you. I've not seen
them in Goa but then again
Dear Socrates
Rest assured your disciples have read every word with
their morning hemlock ...ahem coffee.
I think the 65 year old woman with enough money should
take tennis lessons from our champ everyday in the
afternoon. This will ensure (a) efficient use of all
available resources (b)adequate
Dear Gilbert,
If I am responsible for the de-calcifying of Mario's
heart, I expect my reward to be sent to be via first
class mail, in small $ bills:))
Elisabeth
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mario's response (to Elisabeth's philosophie):
This is too opaque for me.
GL Comment:
I never
Dear George,
You have given us an excellent example. I don't know
what the original context of this example in the book
was, but let me hypothesize a context.
Let's suppose there is an inter-village Tennis
tournament. The prize money for the tournament, is to
be divided between the player and the
Gilbert, didn't you say you were a grandfather three
times over. I've always found older men fascinating,
provided they were not too calcified :)) I stop short
of rigor mortis. :)
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When one attracts the attention of the ayatollahs
from the major centers of the Goan
It won't be long before slums constitute 60% of Goa.
Elisabeth
--- airesrod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In Mumbai with hawkers, shopkeepers and manholes
on
footpaths, the pedestrians have to walk on the
roads
leaving very little room for vehicles to manoeuvre.
In
Shanghai one drives on
Dear Mario,
At first thought I agreed with you completely but
later contemplating it in depth, I've had a rethink.
Doing good is a Pavlovian response, mankind has
developed in order to sustain some amount of order in
this world.
If one matures beyond the equation, I do good and
will be rewarded
The injustices endured by one section of society
cannot be perpetrated onto another section of society,
as a form of redressal. There are middle class
students who cannot afford exorbitant capitation fees
or donations required by private colleges. They
depend on government-funded institutions and
A nice perspective Jason. I hadn't even thought about
that angle.
Elisabeth
--- Jason Monserrate [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
That was put very nicely, Elisabeth.
Instead of reservations, why are our politicians not
concerned about creating a level playing field,
where
merit alone rules.
Dear George,
You've raised some valid questions.
The injustices endured by one section of society
cannot be perpetrated onto another section of society,
as a form of redressal. There are middle class
students who cannot afford exorbitant capitation fees
or donations required by private colleges.
The reservation system in India is like a two headed
snake that spits out venom and hurts the very people
it is supposed to protect. Arjun Singh, HRD minister
of India is set to impose an almost 50% OBC
reservation in government-funded higher institutions
of education.
Reservations in India, far
Firstly there seem to be a lot of warring factions on
Goannet. Although, I'm sure by now loyalties have been
well calcified, newcomers like me are in the dark. In
the interest of newcomers, a list should be compiled
and archived for quick and easy reference. Getting
caught in the cross-fire and
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and
socioeconomic lines?
Cheers,
Santosh
Elisabeth Carvalho elisabeth_car at yahoo.com
wrote:
This then is the quandary. How do we resolve the
issue
of a separate and unequal society living and
expanding
in Goa? Yes, there is a frisson in Goa, one that
will
exploited by politicians, one
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