Greetings,
I'm looking for a 15th century replica frame-opening style purse. It
has a metal circular opening (with a hinged lid) that the leather
pouch hangs from, in case you don't know what I mean by frame. I'm
not sure what the actual name of that type of purse would be. Does
anyone
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Hi Danielle,
I dont think you will find a replica 15th century one, but you can get
different styles today:
http://www.countrybumpkin.com.au/index.php?cPath=23_163
These are Australian, but i am sure others carries them two.
Bjarne
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From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg
Hi Bjarne,
Thanks. They aren't quite what I'm looking for. I have seen people
walking around events wearing the type of purse I'm looking for so I
know that someone has made them, I'm just not sure who.
Cheers,
Danielle
At 03:14 AM 5/17/2007, you wrote:
Hi Danielle,
I dont think you will
In a message dated 5/16/2007 9:37:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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Would there be a difference between an under dress (it doesn't look as
though it was ever lined) and an actual chemise?
I was thinking perhaps someone would wear a simple chemise, then perhaps a
Another resource: flea markets or antique sales. This style was used
again in the 19 century and appears in the 1920s and 1930s. This style of
top often outlived the fabric/leather purse/pocket that would have been
attached. I have also seen a modified top used for an oldfashioned ice
pack.
That's a very cool website, although I find the graphics a little
distracting. Thanks for the link!
Now, I'm not a 19th century geek, but I find myself with a question about
those split drawers (truly, just odd timing g...I went to a play this
weekend that had midwestern-US-cancan-dancers in it,
I have just been flipping through Dressing Renaissance Florence, and they
mention hosiery itself was made of perpignan cloth (perpignano), a washable
and stretchy woolen jersey fabric, originally developed by weavers in
Perpignan, France.
Has anyone ever heard of this stuff before, and if so,
19th c h-costumers,
Do you have any idea where the term bertha came from? My guess is
it's from a character in a play, ballet or opera who was wearing the
new fashion item. That's a common enough reason for an item with a
woman's name. Its also the name Emma Bovary gives her daughter when
she
What would you do with this fabric.
http://www.saragrace.us/images/Fabrics/index.htmhttp://www.saragrace.us/images/Fabrics/index.htm
The first, I have 3 yards of, and it is 54 inches wide. It is a silk
brocade. I
was thinking about making something like a pet-en-l'air, (French Jacket) as
Can anyone help me think of properly spellt English (sticking with that
for now) costume terms from say, 1100-1650, that seem likely to result
in wardrobe accounts, inventories, wills, etc?
I would recommend looking in the OED for old versions of modern words. For
example, Velvet: 1320,
Now, I'm not a 19th century geek, but I find myself with a question about
those split drawers (truly, just odd timing g...I went to a play this
weekend that had midwestern-US-cancan-dancers in it, and for some reason, I
was wondering if that flip the skirts up over one's head and wiggle one's
I will ask my ren faire folks. I know a woman who has one. I'll ask where
she got it.
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Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:26 AM
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Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for 15th
there are also expanded brochures out there (booklets) that tend to be sold
at sites like Old Economy (Pa) Enfield and Canterbury NH. They are somewhat
sparse (what else?) but give the basics.
Kathleen
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you might try Lacis or Baglady.com
Kathleen
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From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 3:15 AM
Subject: [h-cost] Looking for 15th century replica frame-opening style purse
Greetings,
I'm
Just a little note, when talking about split drawers.
When i went to the exhibition about the elegant courtlife in the time of
Frederik V, there was in the catalogue pictures of the queens midges
clothes. Its a whole outfit, chemise- split drawers,stays, petticoat with
hip pads, skirt and a
Hi Kathy
Cardon's book is excellent (makes me wish that I
was fluent in French!) and covers an region of
Europe that I have been having trouble finding
info on. It is a very thick (661 pages) paperback
with 21 references to Perpignan in the Index des
noms de lieux and one perpagnani in
Some women in continental europe did wear pants - pepys mentions somewhere
in his huge diary that his wife was wearing knickers in the 1660s, but puts it
down to her being french.
split knickers were definitely still around in edwardian times - they really
started to disappear as skirts
Dunno about the 18th century, but there are rare surviving examples of them
from the 16th century. I suspect that it was something that came and went,
as a style.
--Sue
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If I remember correctly these drawers in the mid-20th Century were called
petti-pants. I remember my mother had some in the early 1960s.
Penny Ladnier,
Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites
www.costumegallery.com
www.costumelibrary.com
www.costumeclassroom.com
www.costumeencyclopedia.com
I'm neew to this list and have enjoyed learning a lot of different things. I
do recreating the 1500's. I didn't realize that they had split drawers in the
16th cen. Do you have any historical evidence that they had them in the
nobility class in the midto late 1500's, and what they were made
Lacis has a very large range of them:
http://www.lacis.com/catalog/data/ls58.html
-E House
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Don't shoot the messenger! blame it on Ian at David Brown Book Company!
;)
Arlys
A quick note to let you know that two long-awaited books have now
arrived here for sale, as well as to tell you about a few other new
arrivals from unusual sources...
Firstly, the reprint of the visually
On Thu, 17 May 2007, Cynthia J Ley wrote:
Don't shoot the messenger! blame it on Ian at David Brown Book Company!
Whom I saw last week at K'zoo. I'm surprised the textiles/dress people
left him anything of these still to sell.
(For those of you who wonder, Ian is British, charming, and
I think everyone's looking at frame as a generic type
that has never changed. That's not so. Most German Ren
purses are suspended from a single point in the
middle, not from a chain anchored at two points. Not
all, obviously, since the one at the bottom of this
page clearly has two anchor points
Is this what you're looking for, but with a lid?
http://www.answers.com/topic/thomas-howard-4th-duke-of-norfolk-02-jpg
I call mine a ring pouch but I have no idea what
it's right name is.
MaggiRos
--- Danielle Nunn-Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Greetings,
I'm looking for a 15th century
MaggiRos wrote:
What's being asked for is (or should be)something like
this
http://www.curiousfrau.com/Art_Research/pouches.htm
I don't know anyone who makes them, although something
similar can be built on with a plain ring.
What a useful page -- thank you!
Here are the two that are in
If you can't find what you want commercially, I highly recommend this fellow.
http://www.hr-replikate.de/englisch/index.htmlhttp://www.hr-replikate.de/englisch/index.html
He does wonderful work, and is reasonable.
Saragrace
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From: Danielle
You'd think this would be easy no? You might end up having get one out of a
sewing book. Even my pattern drafting book doesn't have a neat little chart.
Wow! Thanks for those sites! I guess I was googling the wrong
combination of words. And you're right, that one picture gave me the creeps!
Julie
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Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:26:53 -0700
From: Saragrace Knauf [EMAIL
There is a bit of a hair to split in these statements.
Split is an important word here. The 16th century Sicilian underwear are not
split in the 19th century sense. They are fully attached at the crotch seam,
not separate tubes attached at the waist.
The Met collection has been identified
On Thursday 17 May 2007, Cynthia J Ley wrote:
Don't shoot the messenger! blame it on Ian at David Brown Book Company!
I just got my copy in today's mail. (And because I'm home sick, I'm here to
look at it, hee, hee).
However, I did not get it from David Brown. Last week I found a UK vendor
I'm neew to this list and have enjoyed learning a lot of
different things. I do recreating the 1500's. I didn't
realize that they had split drawers in the 16th cen. Do you
have any historical evidence that they had them in the
nobility class in the midto late 1500's, and what they
Somewhere I have information on the wardrobe of Juana the Mad
(Katherine of Aragon's sister) . . . she wore drawers.
Fran
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm neew to this list and have enjoyed learning a lot of
different things. I do recreating the 1500's. I didn't
realize that they had split
--- Cynthia Virtue
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MaggiRos wrote:
What's being asked for is (or should be)something
like
this
http://www.curiousfrau.com/Art_Research/pouches.htm
I don't know anyone who makes them, although
something
similar can be built on with a plain ring.
I've heard people talk about making hats out of theatrical buckram. But I
didn't think that Buckram, as we know it, existed in the 16th century. If not,
then what DID exist as Buckram? What were the internal structure of hats made
out of?
I've seen the wire frame for the gabled hood at the
Hello,
The Threads magazine site has a pretty decent chart for women's
clothes and also one that can be used to figure ease based on favorite
garments. Look under sewing basics and fitting.
Anna von Argenthal
apologies for not changing titles in my last post - realised as I hit the
button I hadn't (was up all night so not entirely with it - sos!!)
debs
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split drawers
I
was wondering if that flip the skirts up over one's
head and wiggle one's
backside move, or the high kicks, originally offered
more of a *koff* view
than we'd think). When did it become common
practice for the split to be sewn
I asked the woman who has one. She made hers using 2 metal embroidery
frames. She attached them together with a lightweight hinge, which she sewed
on. I think she covered the frames first, then sewed on the hinge. Hope this
helps.
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I've heard people talk about making hats out of theatrical buckram. But I didn't think
that Buckram, as we know it, existed in the 16th century. If not, then what DID exist as
Buckram? What were the internal structure of hats made out of?
As far as I can tell there is buckram (buckeram,
don't know of a website, but metric pattern cutting by winifred aldwych
(sp?) has good charts (though they're obv metric - I tend to convert to inches
on
a spreadsheet)
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Thanks, Sunny...those were the ones I was thinking of when I posted this
morning (the ones in _QE Unlocked_).
--Sue
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Subject: Re: [h-cost] Split drawer's expert?
I'm neew to
Not too long ago I chanced on a very interesting piece of wool fabric. It's
100% wool, but due to the way it's made, it has as much natural stretch as a
lycra/wool blend! (Yes, I'm sure it's 100% wool.)
It's a slightly loose basket weave, but that alone isn't what makes it so
stretchy;
Where did you get it?
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Subject: [h-cost] not Perpignan, but... (stretchy wools)
Not too long ago I chanced on a very interesting piece of
Another place to try is
www.rockettsforge.com
He has lots of period things, plus he can make something if you don't see it
on his site. He is very nice, does good work and his things are excellent
quality.
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Not too long ago I chanced on a very interesting piece of wool fabric.
thanks for everyone for the advice, I'm going to cut out the Butterick
bonnet
(http://store.sewingtoday.com/cgi-bin/butterick/shop.cgi?s.item.B4210=xTI='4210'page=1
view B but minus the brim so it will stop where the trim is in the picture)
in paper and see how it looks. If that doesn't work
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