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Generally Rev War events, at least on the East coast, have
participants organized in military units. Is it a battle event? If
so, then it's probably mostly reenactment units. The organization is
important for safety and "walk on" participants are discouraged.
I'll ha
For reasons that are somewhat complicated, I may be at a rev war event in
virginia on the 14th-16th of July. First the off topic - can anyone give
me a hint on what to expect - how much this sort of thing costs, tha tsort
of thing (I've done re-eacting elsewhere, but not RW and not in VA).
A
From: Kimiko Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Thank you Marc for that info. I wasn't able to find much on the clothing of
the San Juan, but I have learned a lot anyway.
If you do, please let me know. I've been looking for them for some time now
:) I was kinda hoping that someone on the list would se
x27;m told that the graves of the Basque seamen had clothes that were
excavated.
BTW, it is most likely (speaking of shoes) that common seamen were wearing
turnshoes like:
http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe/SHOES/redbay5.html.
Non-turned shoes, when found, being more expensiv
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By the way, I want to make this clear--I know this isn't an absolutely
authentic shoe for the period, but one that is readily available and not as
expensive as custom made. We DID go with custom-made boots for him which
were
outrageously expensive but are so comfortable
From: Suzi Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I was wondering wat kind of shoes a men would be wearing at a ball in
1800-1810. I have some pictures of men but they are wearing boots and I
am not sure if that would be right for dancing.
Greetings,
Deredere
Flat pumps, very like ladies' shoes of the sa
From: "Wanda Pease" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To a certain extent isn't this what Stephan's Florilegium is doing? Not a
bad idea to have things like this in two places (suspenders and belt).
Stefan's Florilegium is a compilation of email messages harvested from
various discussion lists. I was think
I was recently reading the medievalshoemaking list and someone posted a
handout that got me thinking. One of things I've got going on right now is
that I'm the guild librarian for the HCC (Honorable Cordwainers Company for
those who didn't know) as well as the Special Collections librarian here
From: "Susan B. Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
BTW, Marc, your link to "Hawking glove of Henry VIII is broken. :-(
I'll try to get it fixed tomorrow. Thanks for the heads up.
Marc
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It's somewhat dated but this might have something of use...
http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/histshoe/redfern/index.htm
Marc
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A 16th century tradesman or woman should be in something that looks like one
of these:
http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe/SHOES/redbay5.html A
lower ranked person would have it as a turned shoe, a higher ranked person
would have it as a double soled turned shoe, or even an
From: WickedFrau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I wasn't assuming anything...I was just providing a source that compared
an English traveler writing about other countries. I am not trying to
provide information to infer that it was more or less common either
> Ok, maybe we could look at this a differen
From: WickedFrau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
...The City Virgins, and especially Gentlewomen, couer their heads, face,
and backes with a Vaile, that they may not be seene passing the
streetes, and in many
places weare silke or linnen breeches vnder their gownes. (Italy)"
Now, now, all of thes quotes wou
From: Kathy Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
...I recall at some point in history that women were often confined to
their chambers if not bed
during their periods...
Something to keep in mind when dealing with topics like this -- another
difference from today is that the vast majority of the populati
"Menstrous clout"
Just to add to your mental games, a clout is also a medieval shoemaking
term, probably for patching, or adding a new outer sole over a damaged sole.
Marc
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From: Robin Netherton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Marc, I'm the one who brought up the sealskin belt/pad arrangement from
Herjolfsnes. There were a few fragments of bast fibers (some pieces of
cloth, some microscopic fibers) found in various spots at Herjolfsnes...
I know that we'd discussed this one in
I could have sworn that back in anthropology 101 they taught us that
extended breastfeeding was used to make a woman less likely to get pregnant,
not that it stopped menstruation.
Marc
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Just a couple of bits.
First, it's unlikely that any Herjofsnes garments were found with linen pads
of any sort (linen has not survived in the conditions at Herjofsnes). What
may be being remembered is the polar bear breeches from Angmagssalik (now
called Tasiilaq), and may not be even Norse.
You might look at the ordinaces of Louis XI. They require up to 30 layers
of linen with a final layer of staghide.
Marc
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From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Well, since the ethnic Chinese who discovered them and the locals in the
area thought it
was weird that the mummies were Caucasian, that's good enough for me.
Glad to hear it. There are apparently plenty of Chinese records of the
Tocharians being
From: Karen R Bergquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
...rhodesiensis) was still in Africa. The mummies of Urumchi date to about
4,000 years ago and are homo sapiens although they appear to be caucasian
rather than oriental which is why finding them in the interior of China
is so remarkable.
Except that i
From: Jean Waddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Looks good to me (who knows nothing about research from extant
materials). The thing I instantly wanted was a family tree to track who
the items were made by, and for, and who was making the comment.
Yeah, you and me both :)
Marc
thing, they'd all have pictures.
http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/Rushmore/Rushmore.htm
I'd appreciate any suggestions.
marc
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Ok, you'll love this...
A couple of weeks ago I got saddled with the Special Collections department
for the University Library (I'm pretty sure I was assigned this for my
skills at cutting through academic pretention and getting things back on
track more than anything else - and the fact that
Ok, so I am on the right page with all this. Great. Thank you.
Has anyone tried those cans of compressed air rather than a vacuum?
Marc
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From: Suzi Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Marc
Was it you asking about braces? I found information accidentally
while looking for something else. Earliest form of braces appears to
be 1780's for gentlemen's breeches, usually just ribbon. I can quote
exactly if you wish - book and computer are a whole
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BTW.where does one go to find out about leather? Y'know things like how
the thickness and weight are measured and what is good for what. Where to
buy
hides and what to look for? Techniques for sewing and care? Is there a good
site?
Not a *good* one.
You can find bi
A friend asked me to help pass this around the net.
LOOPING THE LOOPS,
RESEARCH BY
THE EARLY KNITTING HISTORY GROUP
Saturday, 11th March, 2006.
at
The Courtauld Institute of Art
Somerset House, Strand, London, WC2.
Following its former successes the Early Knitt
From: Suzi Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Do you have a buckle and strap arrangement as well as your tie?...
No buckle, no. I've seen some that had the buckle instead of a tie, but
I'll have to start looking at that.
Of course the cheating, 21st century way, would be to herringbone two
pieces
From: Suzi Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Can you split the back seam about 6", fold it back to make the
opening a little wider, then add lacing? This is contemporary with
18th century breeches, and can be seen in several original pairs that
I have had the opportunity to look at. I do it with all my 1
I'm looking for some basic suggestions. I have a really great pair of what
look like 18th century breeches - I say "look like" since there are some
minor details that were left out in the construction (like pockets). When
my wife made them, she made them from a nice heavy linen, and they fit
From: Beth and Bob Matney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
A photograph of an exhibit of Byssus (including the mollusk, filaments, and
sleeves made from it) is reproduced on page 114 of
Cool.
Les Etoffes...
I'll see if I can't find a copy, but thanks. I'd like a scan of the picture
please, if that's ok
Just an FYI -- free sites will usually allow linking, but may have security
in place to discourage deep linking (linking to a page deep within a site).
Sites that cost money generally have stuff in place to prohibit use of a
link to someone who doesn't have the right IP address. I would need a
I've brought these together into a single response.
From: WickedFrau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Marc, you are affiliated with a University right? So I wouldn't be
giving anything away by sharing this source I found?
Well it's academia, so you could call it work if you wanted to :) I can't
imagine
From: Chris Laning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Well, I think the discussion came up before from a piece described in a
similarly reputable source, >namely Brigitta Schmedding's _Mittelalterliche
Textilien in Kirchen und Klo:stern der Schweiz_, an >Abegg Institute
publication.
I seem to have missed th
From: Heather Rose Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Having remembered some sort of discussion on this term before, I
searched in my archives and turned up a thread on the Historic-Knit
list where I'd done a little research into the history of the words
involved. Here's my posting from that list, along w
From: WickedFrau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Marc, here is a bookmark for some of the emails I was referring to.
http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/hcos01/hcos03.cl...
Hope that helps.at least this gets you somewhere close to the thread
(the discussionnot the hairs!). I didn't read it t
From: WickedFrau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I don't have a whole lot to add to the discussion except that it has
been discussed on our list before. Might want to check the archives.
I would be surprised if it hadn't been previously discussed, but couldn't
find anything in the archives for Byssus, Bis
From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Personally, I have never tried to collect byssal threads from mussels,
>though here's an article showing how to work with
>them. http://www.designboom.com/eng/education/byssus_howto.html
I don't necessarily believe all the stuff in that article, no
I'm reading an article: "Objets archéologiques; Témoins dune quaiité de vie
urbaine dans le bourg monastique: by Nicole Meyer Rodrigues in Dossiers
d'Archaologie no. 297 (Oct. 2004) pp. 94-101.
On page 94 there is a picture of a knitted cap from the beginning of the
14th century - it's describe
From: Carol Kocian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Hosen
With 14 yards? You must have really long legs! Or are you
casting an entire forest full of "Robin Hood: Men in Hosen"? :-)
My bad - I assumed the question was what someone might do with it. If it
takes 14 yards to make someone a kirtle or
Hosen
Marc
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Marc, I should warn you that in her German class, Kass said, "Marc's going
to make me a pair of
shoes. He might not know it yet, but he's going to." :)
Not if she doesn't get in touch with me He's not :)
Marc
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Well, I went and had a lot of fun. I have some pictures online at my blog
at http://www.livejournal.com/users/marccarlson/ (under 11 October) -- I'll
put some more up when I get the other rolls developed Friday. (And yes, I
have a blog, I had to get the account - long story, and as long as I
From: Suzi Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sorry Marc, they may have originally been a man's style, but I was
wearing them in the '50's, and they were called winkle pickers then.
I am old enough to have been wearing so called fashion in the 50's. I
didn't wear them for long, or often, as they hurt my f
From: Suzi Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > winkle pickers.
>>???
>A particular long toed style of mens shoe popular in the 50s.
And women's. They are currently to be seen in shoe shops in Europe as
a "new" fashion.
I could be mistaken, what with it being a fashion thing, but I -believe- the
ori
From: Cynthia J Ley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> winkle pickers.
???
A particular long toed style of mens shoe popular in the 50s.
Marc
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From: Lavolta Press <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
...
great myth)--fact is, the myths are a core of their own interest. I
think it's a good thing, as otherwise, what is history? A collection of
dry facts, arranged as scientifically as possible? Accurate, maybe;
emotionally involving, no.
Well, maybe no
There is an interesting twist here that hasn't been mentioned yet. Bjarne
asked why the Renaissance and not the 18th century, and the answers have all
been about renn fairs. There are other groups that do renaissance
(particularly if we expand that to the pseudo-renn fantasy thingie) than
j
From: michael tartaglio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi, Marc. I believe the Guildhall Museum collection was incorporated
into that of the City Museum (Museum of London). If that is the case,
the leather jerkin that they currently have on display might be part of
the same finds or possibly incorporated fro
can't
find anything in the stuff I have available, but I don't have any indexes to
most of the costuming journals.
The catalog doesn't have much information - what there is I've extracted to
here:
http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/histshoe/guildhall
From: Karen R Bergquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I recently bought a big chunk of leather in a sort of silvery taupe
shade. While the smooth side is nice, the color takes on a truly gorgeous
quality on the suede side. Was the suede/flesh side of leather used in
16th century England, or was the smoother
Fran:
I don't think that discovering something is science, per se.
I think it has to do with rigor and whether you are using the scientific
method.
Examine the evidence, come up with a hypothesis and test it to failure.
Revise and repeat until it ceases to fail, at which point you probably
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have a question regarding 'Experimental' archeology -
If - say- I am working on a pair of turnsole shoes and I 're-invent the
wheel' - figure out
something that many others have already figured out - but the info is new
to me.
Is this 'Experimental' archeology?
It ma
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BTW, I'm going to be in Tulsa business-tripping for two weeks beginning on
Sunday. >Suggestions? I'm interested in SCA things, but anything having to
do with >historic/ethnic/tribal clothing has appeal.
As mentioned, Woolaroc is worth a visit (it's about an hour north o
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To clarify, I refered to "experiential" archaeology - that is learning
things about the past by doing
them. "Experimental" archeology is, as you say, something somewhat
different.
Looking back, I see that you are entirely correct. I misread your message.
I apologize.
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Well, at a re-enactment weekend at Bent's Old Fort National Historic Site
(SE Colorado) last month,
the re-enactors that I spoke to indicated that most of their fellows had
dabbled in the SCA, but
since left for more authentic pastures. It seems likely that the SCA has,
I agree with Robin on the duplicating period techniques (or getting as close
as possible) is usually the best way to duplicate a period result. Modern
techniques are usually the result of technological process evolution, and
may come up with a result that is often easier to learn, or looks "be
From: Land of Oz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>are. As compared to modern
> catalog descriptions. "Storm" as a
>color name, for example.
"Petrol" is the one that gets me!
Ever put fuel in something clear?
Gasoline and diesel fuel are always a
shade of red, pink or orange. When I
see "petrol" listed as
From: Robin Netherton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
...attendees to allow them to get a great conference hotel and facilities.
I
see that this year's is combined with a "rattan" symposium, which must
have something to do with either weapons or fighting though I don't know
which.
Furniture making.
Marc
From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
If you would like to be really accurate, they should not be called
Greenland Gowns but
Nordboer Gowns. Nordboer came to Greenland in medieval times from
Scandinavia, but
suddently they dissapeared. I think they were murdered by the
eskimoes
From: Jen Segrest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I am making a greenland gown, and having neckline problems
I want a high neck, and a laced chest. So I have it slit from collar
bone to mid bust...
Which Greenland gown are you making? Herjolfsnes 43 has an opening like
that, but I'm not sure it laced.
From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi,
I have tryed the tricks with your spit, it only works when the blood is
fresh, and for the salt it is the same.
The blodstain i got from the moskito wont come away, tryed many things.
I discovered the stain, next time i washed it, and then it wa
inks to pictures.
Compare the shape of the shoe in the following pictures:
Not made on a last:
http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/marc/photos/russboot2.jpg
Made on a 1950s "flat" shoe last.
http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/marc/photos/monday4.jpg
Made on a
Well, rats. As mentioned, this is a reprint of the 1842 edition, which
means that the quest continues.
Robin, just out of curiousity, what sorts of changes did Planche make?
Marc
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One of my long term projects is back tracking sources, and seeing who was
using what when writing costume (and specifically shoe) related texts. This
week I finally got a hold of a copy of Strutt's _A complete view of the
dress and habits of the people of England_ (1796) [there is a 1970 reprin
From: Carol Kocian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I was annoyed by the "pantyhose", too. Also the term
"petticoat" referred to what we now call a skirt, and later became a
term more specific for underwear.
Much of the article was good, but those things really stood out.
I have a knee-kerk resp
From: Garden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Has anyone ordered from this shoe company before?
http://www.kmgarlick-shoemaker.co.uk/
Thanks, Aylwen Garden
It's hard to tell from the photos, but his stuff looks reasonably well made
for the cost, and while most of his stuff looks inaccurate from a historical
From: Anne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Given the recent discussion of today's unflattering and sloppy fashions,
I thought some of you might be interested in this article about the
subject and its relation to history.
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/departments/CareerTraining/?article=weirdfashionmain
"..
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Lauren Walker wrote:
> Cool, thank you. But to revert to my original question -- is there
> anyplace where the various known ells have been compiled for
> comparison and/or reference? You know, "English ell, 15th century,
> 1.25 modern yards; Icelandinc ell, 14th century, 19.5
From: Cynthia Virtue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Did you skip a cite there? I don't see something which says it wasn't
worn with some kind of body linen layer under it. "a body garment or
coat" seems to imply "tunic" could apply to both layers.
I think we're interpretting what the "body" applies to "a
From: Charlene Charette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I've never understand the difference between "t-tunic" and "tunic".
Let's first establish what a "tunic" is: according to the Oxford Mnglish
Dictionary and Middle English Dictionary, a Tunic (for the middle ages at
least) is "A garment resembling a
From: Cynthia Virtue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I've heard people rant about not calling tunics-with-gores/godets
"T-Tunics" but I'm not sure why. The top is shaped like a T, even if
the skirt area spreads out. Could someone enlighten me?
My understanding is (and it may be flawed of course) is that "
That's a nice looking awl handle. Do you know if they sell any of those
things individually?
Marc
(always looking to improve my collection of medieval shoemaking tools)
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From: Cynthia Virtue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Possibly -- although this is only a problem for me for things that end
at the waistband. A garment that hangs from the shoulders, even if
belted, evens out by the time it gets to the hem, what with bust and
butt sort of counter-balancing.
Are you thinking
There are plenty of fat women (like me) who I see, who don't realize
this; their skirts hang lower in the front!
It seems to me that some of the extant medieval garments are longer in back
than in front, presumably for this reason.
Marc
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