Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-13 Thread Barbara Nitz
Yesterday I had started to respond to Michaels post, but stopped since I wanted to read what's available first. Well, given his frustration wiht a semantics discussion, here comes anyway: Thank you for asking for input in the first place. (That in itself is kind of a novelty). If all software

Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-13 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
Maybe I'm just a curmudgeon, but everywhere I've been (including IBM) it was a storage creep, or storage corruption. [snip] Being an E2Ler, I've never hear the term storage creep before, and I admit I didn't know the meaning of creep either. So I went to look it up

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-13 Thread R.S.
Rick Fochtman wrote: [...] It depends. Are we now allowed to use a PDSE in LINKLIST or LPALIST? Unless or until that restriction is lifted, the PDS will continue to exist. PDSE is allowed on LINKLIST and partially allowed on LPA (not at IPL time, can be added dynamically). However having PDSE

Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-13 Thread Michael Poil
Barbara, I don't think anyone says that software is perfect. WHat I personally find sad is that just about every Java programmer doesn't know and doesn't care what the underlying architecture does and hence is incapable of even analyzing anything. We currently have a problem where a java

Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-13 Thread Michael Poil
Pat, You mentioned defects and memory leaks. In my world, that answers your question. As far as I'm concerned, an abend is easier to deal with than a run-away storage allocation routine. My point is that I have had to deal with many JVM dumps that are due to customers not setting up the

Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-13 Thread Barbara Nitz
So what is an ISV to do with a customer that does not use IEFUSI, or does so incorrectly? Educate the customer? If the customer does not use IEFUSI and did not specify any region parm in the jes deck and does not use iealimit, then all the IBM defaults are taken. Meaning: If you specify

Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-13 Thread Barbara Nitz
Mike, quote Consider this real-world (i.e. this actually happens) scenario: 1. Customer restricts the region size and it works 2. Due to application or other perhaps minor changes, the normal JVM usage now exceeds the region size gets 878-10, OOM etc 3. Customer raises PMR and sends dump 4. Level

Java Problem Analysis

2007-12-13 Thread Barbara Nitz
Quote from the diagnosis book: It is easier for IBM Service to solve a problem when a test case is available. Include a test case with your problem report wherever possible. This really rubs me the wrong way, not because it isn't true, but because to me it sounds like justification why these

TROT

2007-12-13 Thread gah
(someone wrote) Looking at the TROT example, which caught my eye not having used the instruction before, I think there is a bug as TROT can be interrupted according to POPS. I posted a reply, but being an ejit at times, I may have done something wrong as I cannot see it (yet?).

Re: REGION=0M and LSQA *Barbara*

2007-12-13 Thread Michael Poil
Barbara, If I can help in any way, please email me directly. I tried replying to you directly but it was bounced. BTW the quote in the book is not good, but believe me IBM folks here do a lot to re-create problems by writing their own test cases. There are some very clever people here, e.g.

Re: FW: NYSE Undertakes IBM Mainframe Migration to Unix and Linux

2007-12-13 Thread legolas wood
The NYSE Hybrid Market now handles more than 500 million messages a day, requiring more servers and storage, said Steve Rubinow, the chief information officer at Does it really handle 500 million message per day? =-O =-O What kind of message they are? Do they process some JMS message and

Re: Delete DS Held by LLA and XCFAS

2007-12-13 Thread Peter Relson
Tom Marchant's append was right on target. All the other appends on this subject that showed up in my digest were off base. It certainly is quite possible to delete data sets and bypass system protections. However, it is not proper, appropriate, or supported to delete a data set that is in an

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-13 Thread Bob Shannon
It depends. Are we now allowed to use a PDSE in LINKLIST or LPALIST? Unless or until that restriction is lifted, the PDS will continue to exist. PDSs will be around as long as MVS. There is no way for IBM to insist that every user PDS be converted to a PDSE. Bob Shannon Rocket Software

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-13 Thread Peter Relson
It is certain that PDS's will exist for the entire life of z/OS (or whatever name it might have down the road, if that ever changes again). It is almost certain that PDSEs will never be allowed in the LPALST (chicken and egg problem, all of PDSE processing would have to be in the nucleus in order

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-13 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
.(or whatever name it might have down the road, if that ever changes again). non-serious-comment Isn't it about time for one more name change since z/OS is approaching release 10? /non-serious-comment -- Peter Hunkeler Credit Suisse

Re: Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest

2007-12-13 Thread Rick Fochtman
A modification of a previous submission: LA R1,8 IC R2,BYTE STC LA R15,RESULT-1(R1) STCR2,0(,R15) NI 0(R15),X'01' OI 0(R15),X'F0' SRLR2,1 BCT R1,STC * BYTE DC

Re: Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest

2007-12-13 Thread Rick Fochtman
Got it, John. The MVO threw me; I mis-interpreted its action. Rick --- John P. Baker wrote: Actually, it will be exactly what it should be, if my desk checking is correct. Step by step: Contents of IBYTE = X'10' After: MVC OBUFF(1),IBYTE (Note the

user catalog question

2007-12-13 Thread Peter Ten Eyck
I have a running z/OS 1.7 system with two user catalogs attached to the master catalog. Call the first A and the second B. Catalog B has all the tape entries I want. How can I get all the tapes entries in catalog B into catalog A. When I am done I do not want any of the original catalog A tape

Re: Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest

2007-12-13 Thread Rick Fochtman
---snip: I understand that LA can cause an address generation interrupt in the pipeline on some z models and as a rule of thumb, LHI is better to use when you can. Similar nasties occur with things like BCTR Rx,0 (typically used to decrement a

Re: Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest

2007-12-13 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Art Celestini Well, just for the sport of it, I think this requires even less (not tested): LHI R1,8 ICR2,BYTE STC STC R2,RESULT-1(R1) SRL R2,1 BCT R1,STC

Re: user catalog question

2007-12-13 Thread Chicklon, Tom
If the entries can be identified by a high level qualifier or two, IDCAMS MERGECAT will do this for you. Just remember to update the alias in the master catalog pointing to UCAT.A so that it now relates to UCAT.B. REPRO INDATASET ( ICF.UCAT.A ) - OUTDATASET ( ICF.UCAT.B ) -

Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-13 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip--- You state vendors ignore customers quite often. Realize that vendors have more than one customer, and doing things EXACTLY as you like may cause problems for the bulk of the other customers (or, often, for one or two huge customers), and

Re: Java Problem Analysis

2007-12-13 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Nitz Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 4:28 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Java Problem Analysis Quote from the diagnosis book: It is easier for IBM Service to solve a

Re: Code pages (was: Square Brackets in Java?)

2007-12-13 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/03/2007 at 10:35 AM, Patrick O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Once again, the character seen in your post depends on the codepage used to display it. His messages include Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed If you're using a MIME-capable

Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-13 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:27:46 -0500, Thompson, Steve wrote: So what is an ISV to do with a customer that does not use IEFUSI, or does so incorrectly? My point of the LDA modification was not to give the APF code unlimited virtual, but to allow the adjusting of PRIVATE (below the line) to have the

Re: Delete DS Held by LLA and XCFAS

2007-12-13 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:57:11 -0600, Mark S. House wrote: I removed CSF.SCSFMOD0 from the LNKLST and the APF list, but when I attempt to delete ... So far no one (including me) has asked why you want to do this. Is it because you are applying service to the running target zone? You really

Clone the master catalog

2007-12-13 Thread Raquel Calvo Olmos
Hi, I'm trying to create a copy of my master catalog with a REPRO, but I'm having several problems, for example, indirect entries. Does anybody know what utility I can use to clone the master catalog? Thanks in advance. Raquel.

Re: Clone the master catalog

2007-12-13 Thread Itschak Mugzach
Try Export and import with CARE! Look at the papameters so you don't empty the catalog. Itschak Mugzach, Director SecuriTeam Software ltd. Tel: +972 (522) 986404 Skype: Securiteam-Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] for large mails -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-13 Thread R.S.
Tom Marchant wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:09:40 +0100, R.S. wrote: IMHO both PDS and PDSE have some limitations which we would like to relieve. One in particular is the 64K track limitation because of TTRs in the directory. Wouldn't it be interesting if PDSE could emulate very large

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-13 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:09:40 +0100, R.S. wrote: IMHO both PDS and PDSE have some limitations which we would like to relieve. One in particular is the 64K track limitation because of TTRs in the directory. Wouldn't it be interesting if PDSE could emulate very large tracks? It could

Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-13 Thread Ed Gould
On Dec 12, 2007, at 11:23 PM, Wayne Driscoll wrote: Ed, You state vendors ignore customers quite often. Realize that vendors have more than one customer, and doing things EXACTLY as you like may cause problems for the bulk of the other customers (or, often, for one or two huge customers),

Re: User error causes most z/OS production job failures

2007-12-13 Thread Hal Merritt
Many production jobs fail due to minor JCL errors. The root of that problem is that many shop's change control and security policies prohibit testing such changes prior to promotion. Other failures are rooted in DASD allocations. We are seeing failures due to telecom issues. Program failure

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-13 Thread Mark Jacobs
Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:38:32 -0600, Rick Fochtman wrote: ---snip-- IBM created the PDS a long time ago - giving us some conveniences that fit within its OS design.Other computer companies either did not see this advantage or

Re: user catalog question

2007-12-13 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:16:28 -0500, Larry Crilley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking along the same lines. Do you have any vendor tools? The T-REX LISTCAT can scan a catalog, look for TAPE entries only, and build IDCAMS DEFINE, DELETE, or DELETE NOSCRATCH cards. In your case, you would

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-13 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:20 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The future of PDSs On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:38:32 -0600, Rick Fochtman wrote:

Re: user catalog question

2007-12-13 Thread Larry Crilley
You are correct about the speed, if you were to use IDCAMS. However, T-REX is exponentially faster and we have a NOMERGECAT option, should you wish to leave the entries in the SOURCE catalog. Larry Crilley Dino-Software Corporation 800.480.DINO 412.366.3566 www.dino-software.com

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-13 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:38:32 -0600, Rick Fochtman wrote: ---snip-- IBM created the PDS a long time ago - giving us some conveniences that fit within its OS design.Other computer companies either did not see this advantage or had OS structures that

Re: user catalog question

2007-12-13 Thread Mark Zelden
I would use something like MCNVTCAT (which I still have a copy of) or the REXX version of it from the CBT (RCNVTCAT) to dump both catalogs and message the tape entry output from cat a into IDCAMS DELETE NSCR ~~~ massage cards and delete everything but the IDCAMS DEFINE NVSAM tape

Re: user catalog question

2007-12-13 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:09:03 -0600, Peter Ten Eyck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a running z/OS 1.7 system with two user catalogs attached to the master catalog. Call the first A and the second B. Catalog B has all the tape entries I want. How can I get all the tapes entries in catalog B into

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-13 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:08:03 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:09:40 +0100, R.S. wrote: IMHO both PDS and PDSE have some limitations which we would like to relieve. One in particular is the 64K track limitation because of TTRs in the directory. Wouldn't it be interesting if PDSE

Re: user catalog question

2007-12-13 Thread Larry Crilley
I was thinking along the same lines. Do you have any vendor tools? The T-REX LISTCAT can scan a catalog, look for TAPE entries only, and build IDCAMS DEFINE, DELETE, or DELETE NOSCRATCH cards. In your case, you would want to build the DELETE NOSCRATCH cards to remove the entries from catalog A.

Re: Clone the master catalog

2007-12-13 Thread Traylor, Terry
See Creating and Using an Alternate Master Catalog in the DFSMS Managing Catalogs manual (SC26-7409-xx). There is a good JCL example as well. Terry Traylor charlesSCHWAB TIS Mainframe Storage Management Remedy Queue: tis-hs-mstg (602) 977-5154 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

Re: IBM Link notification emails...

2007-12-13 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Link notification emails... On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:33:26 -0500, Thompson, Steve wrote: Ever

Extracting SMF Records to find the userid who deleted a dataset

2007-12-13 Thread vijay raj
On one of our account, a production dataset is deleted. We Greetings, On one of our account, a production dataset is deleted. We have to find the userid of the person who deleted that specific dataset. I know that we can extract the SMF records with IFASMFDP and Sort the record type 17 for it.

Re: Extracting SMF Records to find the userid who deleted a dataset

2007-12-13 Thread Lizette Koehler
Vijay, I would use SMF DUMP (IFASMPDP) and just dump the SMF record I wanted. If you have sas you can then filter through the SMF record for that data set. The SMF Manual is very good to show you how to dump specific records. Or if you have DFSORT, I think there may be some control cards

Rexx Alternate Library

2007-12-13 Thread Pinnacle
Seeing the posts on how people were having problems obtaining the Rexx Alternate Library, I asked the Rexx Compiler group how to get a copy. It is included in the base for z/OS V1R9, but if you're not there, you can grab it at: http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=960uid=swg24006107

Re: Java Problem Analysis

2007-12-13 Thread Edward Jaffe
Barbara Nitz wrote: Quote from the diagnosis book: It is easier for IBM Service to solve a problem when a test case is available. Include a test case with your problem report wherever possible. This really rubs me the wrong way, not because it isn't true, but because to me it sounds like

Re: TPROT condition code

2007-12-13 Thread Ngafei Huang
Can happen when the page has been paged out or?the page is not accessible or simply means no such page. Raymond Wong -Original Message- From: Miklos Szigetvari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:37 am Subject: TPROT condition code Hi? ? ? A question

Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-13 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:14:50 +, Michael Poil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... 1. Customer restricts the region size and it works 2. Due to application or other perhaps minor changes, the normal JVM usage now exceeds the region size gets 878-10, OOM etc ... I'm afraid you aren't convincing me.

TPROT condition code

2007-12-13 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi A question about the TPROT condition code 3, translation not available: Can happen if the referenced address paged out, or it is already an error condition ? -- Miklos Szigetvari Development Team ISIS Information Systems Gmbh tel: (+43) 2236 27551 570 Fax: (+43) 2236 21081 E-mail:

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-13 Thread Edward Jaffe
Bob Shannon wrote: It depends. Are we now allowed to use a PDSE in LINKLIST or LPALIST? Unless or until that restriction is lifted, the PDS will continue to exist. PDSs will be around as long as MVS. There is no way for IBM to insist that every user PDS be converted to a PDSE. And,

Re: TPROT condition code

2007-12-13 Thread Michael Poil
A question about the TPROT condition code 3, translation not available: Can happen if the referenced address paged out, or it is already an error condition ? That is the way z works for this and other new instructions like MVST/CLST , it is not an error, probably a performance thing. The

Re: TPROT condition code

2007-12-13 Thread Michael Poil
Can happen when the page has been paged out or?the page is not accessible or simply means no such page. Not due to a normal page fault. This is fixed up by z/OS under the covers after it gets the program check 11. Referencing an invalid page in the Address Space (i..e not getmained) will

Re: SMS Construct last referenced

2007-12-13 Thread Art
Thank you all for your suggestion on my question and the one about making it a SHARE requirement for the system. I think that any and all available tools are always welcome. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-13 Thread Bob Shannon
And, why would they? What's wrong with PDS? Refer to the PDS Pain white paper for what's wrong with PDSs. I suspect you already know. I didn't start this thread, I just provided an opinion. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For

CA SMF Director

2007-12-13 Thread SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN Anonymous
Looking for information on running this product on multiple LPARS. Thanks Bill -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the

How do you collect your Discribuetd systems jobs?

2007-12-13 Thread Itschak Mugzach
In a distributed world, jobs submitted by a scheduling product are running in many platforms. How do collect them to have a centralized view of the process sysout? Do you use a product for that? Are you using SSH to run the jobs? Itschak

Re: Extracting SMF Records to find the userid who deleted a dataset

2007-12-13 Thread Mark Jacobs
vijay raj wrote: On one of our account, a production dataset is deleted. We Greetings, On one of our account, a production dataset is deleted. We have to find the userid of the person who deleted that specific dataset. I know that we can extract the SMF records with IFASMFDP and Sort the

Re: Extracting SMF Records to find the userid who deleted a dataset

2007-12-13 Thread Jack Kelly
snip On one of our account, a production dataset is deleted snip A simple SAS routine will do the trick too. But i would also include SMF18, SMF65 and SMF66. In general i check SMF14,15,17,18,60-66 although the VSAM SMF6x aren't too useful. Jack Kelly 202-502-2390 (Office)

Re: TPROT condition code

2007-12-13 Thread Ngafei Huang
Getmained storage can be paged out and?TPROT can get cc 3 because of it.? -Original Message- From: Michael Poil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:26 am Subject: Re: TPROT condition code Can happen when the page has been paged out or?the page is not

Re: Extracting SMF Records to find the userid who deleted a dataset

2007-12-13 Thread David Betten
You can try this //SORT EXEC PGM=SORT,REGION=5000K //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSOUT DD SYSOUT=* //SORTIN DD DISP=SHR,DSN=inputsmf //SORTOUT DD DISP=(NEW,PASS),DSN=TEMP, // SPACE=(CYL,(50,20),RLSE),DCB=*.SORTIN,UNIT=SYSLG //SYSINDD * SORT FIELDS=COPY INCLUDE

Re: TPROT condition code

2007-12-13 Thread Wayne Driscoll
Yes, getmained storage can be paged out, unless it is in a page fixed subpool, or has been page fixed by the application. As for TPROT, it doesn't really help to determine if a page is valid, just if it is paged in. A cc=3 could be that a page fault will occur OR the page is invalid, so you

Re: Rexx Alternate Library

2007-12-13 Thread Edward Jaffe
Pinnacle wrote: They also told me that vendors are free to ship SEAGALT with their compiled Rexx code. In which publication is the official IBM statement allowing this library to be shipped by ISVs? PK54661 began as an hours-long, fruitless search for a similar official statement regarding

Re: TPROT condition code

2007-12-13 Thread Ngafei Huang
I would??TPROT first and only if cc 3 before issuing VSMLOC to save a few cycles. Raymond Wong -Original Message- From: Wayne Driscoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:53 am Subject: Re: TPROT condition code Yes, getmained storage can be paged

Re: Rexx Alternate Library

2007-12-13 Thread Thomas Conley
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:08:10 -0800, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pinnacle wrote: They also told me that vendors are free to ship SEAGALT with their compiled Rexx code. In which publication is the official IBM statement allowing this library to be shipped by ISVs? PK54661 began as an

CA-ASM2 $US

2007-12-13 Thread Yolanda Vivar
Hi, Some years ago we planned to eliminate CA-ASM2 product but we finally had to leave it because we could not find any alternative for $US. This is an utility which adds code to the open module IFG0196W in order to include information about last job and date accessing the file in the

Re: CA-ASM2 $US

2007-12-13 Thread Knutson, Sam
DAF reads a variety of SMF Records and reports the results. Dataset Audit Facility (DAF) http://www.geocities.com/michaeljosephcleary/ http://www.cbttape.org/ftp/updates/CBT094.zip http://www.cbttape.org/updates.htm http://www.cbttape.org Best Regards, Sam

Re: Extracting SMF Records to find the userid who deleted a dataset

2007-12-13 Thread Ed Gould
There is a freebe on the CBTTAPE.ORG called DAF... this will do everything you should need. Ed On Dec 13, 2007, at 10:51 AM, vijay raj wrote: On one of our account, a production dataset is deleted. We Greetings, On one of our account, a production dataset is deleted. We have to find the

Re: Extracting SMF Records to find the userid who deleted a dataset

2007-12-13 Thread David Betten
Frank Yaeger just pointed out to me that the trailing blanks are not necessary since DFSORT will pad the constant on the right with blanks to the length of the field. So you can just code it like this //SORT EXEC PGM=SORT,REGION=5000K //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSOUT DD SYSOUT=* //SORTIN

Re: CA SMF Director

2007-12-13 Thread Paul Gillis
Looking for information on running this product on multiple LPARS. Thanks Bill Bill, It can be done easily as each LPAR has a unique SMF id, you share the CDS between them. This gives a single point for extracting SMF data from any LPAR and for collecting it. Alternatively you can give each

Re: User error causes most z/OS production job failures

2007-12-13 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip--- Many production jobs fail due to minor JCL errors. The root of that problem is that many shop's change control and security policies prohibit testing such changes prior to promotion. -unsnip--- Agreed. Usually caused by

Re: Extracting SMF Records to find the userid who deleted a dataset

2007-12-13 Thread Rick Fochtman
---snip On one of our account, a production dataset is deleted. We Greetings, On one of our account, a production dataset is deleted. We have to find the userid of the person who deleted that specific dataset. I know that we can extract the SMF records with

Re: Rexx Alternate Library

2007-12-13 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:23:46 -0600, Thomas Conley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... It is designed for REXX developers who want to distribute REXX compiled products. IBM grants you to package the Alternate Library to your REXX compiled products. ... It doesn't matter how I would interpret that

Re: CA-ASM2 $US

2007-12-13 Thread Tony Harminc
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:30:31 -0600, Yolanda Vivar wrote: Some years ago we planned to eliminate CA-ASM2 product but we finally had to leave it because we could not find any alternative for $US. This is an utility which adds code to the open module IFG0196W in order to include information

Re: TPROT condition code

2007-12-13 Thread Michael Poil
No -- Mike Poil Java z/OS Level 3 Service IBM United Kingdom Limited, Hursley Park, Winchester SO21 2JN Internal: 246824 External: +44 (0)1962 816824 Java debugging:

Re: TPROT condition code

2007-12-13 Thread Michael Poil
I think you can forget page faults, you don't code for the possibility of them unless you are writing disabled code. The instruction stops after a certain amount of time (to open an interrupt window perhaps?) and you need to re-drive it - see POPS.

Re: TPROT condition code *woops - correction - read TPROT as TROT*

2007-12-13 Thread Michael Poil
Woops, must put my glasses on, read TPROT as TROT. Apologies for all my dud replies, please ignore and treat with utter contempt. -- Mike Poil Java z/OS Level 3 Service IBM United

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-13 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:33:19 -0500, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is certain that PDS's will exist for the entire life of z/OS (or whatever name it might have down the road, if that ever changes again). It is almost certain that PDSEs will never be allowed in the LPALST ... But

Re: User error causes most z/OS production job failures

2007-12-13 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:06:39 -0600, Rick Fochtman wrote: ... Quite often, in the early stages of an application system, invalid data would cause a failure because the program wouldn't recognize it. Much of our data was received via 3270 terminals and the most common error was using a letter O

Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-13 Thread Craddock, Chris
rant Lots of really smart people have commented back and forth on this subject and it is one of those perennial stocking stuffers without any reasonable answer. Yes, vendors do bad things and customers do dumb things and IBM gets a pass. We all meekly accept that one-size-fits-all billy clubs like

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-13 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick O'Keefe Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The future of PDSs On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:33:19 -0500, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: User error causes most z/OS production job failures

2007-12-13 Thread Don Leahy
Application failures are usually more subtle than someone keying in the wrong character. Far more often they are due to data inconsistencies introduced by poorly defined business requirements. (i.e. the system tries to post a payment to an accounting period that no longer exists for that

Re: User error causes most z/OS production job failures

2007-12-13 Thread Howard Brazee
On 13 Dec 2007 12:07:24 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rick Fochtman) wrote: Many production jobs fail due to minor JCL errors. The root of that problem is that many shop's change control and security policies prohibit testing such changes prior to promotion.

Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-13 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craddock, Chris Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: REGION=0M and LSQA rant snip And what about the poor old JCL programmer who has to

Virtual Storage Controls - Was Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-13 Thread Martin Packer
THIS is one thread where the controls on memory don't seem to the assembled crowd to be wonderful. Coincidentally my team (yes all IBMers with a passion for z/OS) also raised the issue of the clunkiness of virtual storage controls - literally yesterday. One suggestion we came up with was to do

SDUMPX / IPCS / DATASPACE - missing data

2007-12-13 Thread Todd Burch
I have an SRB application that issued an SDUMPX macro (in AR mode). It specifies a particular dataspace token with a single range, starting address of X’’ and ending range of X’7FFF’. The SDUMPX completes normally and I get a dump. Going into IPCS on the dump, and addressing

Re: SDUMPX / IPCS / DATASPACE - missing data

2007-12-13 Thread Todd Burch
Oh, z/OS 1.9 by the way. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Burch Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: SDUMPX / IPCS / DATASPACE - missing data I have an SRB application ...

Re: TPROT condition code

2007-12-13 Thread Ngafei Huang
Getmained storage can be paged out and?TPROT can get cc 3 because of it.? I was making a statement, wasn't asking questions.? For whatever reason ? was inserted amongst the text in my AOL mail. Sorry for the confusion and please ignore the ? above. Raymond Wong -Original Message-

Re: Virtual Storage Controls - Was Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-13 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Packer Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Virtual Storage Controls - Was Re: REGION=0M and LSQA THIS is one thread where the controls on memory

Re: Virtual Storage Controls - Was Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-13 Thread Steven Conway
I agree with CC that having jobs blow due to limited storage is archaic. John's suggestion of a warn mode is outstanding. And, it's heartening for Martin to tell us people within IBM are looking at this issue. How about that? A thread where I agree with about everybody. Weird. :-)

LE assembler program abends SB78-4

2007-12-13 Thread McKown, John
Does anybody have a LE main program written in HLASM? I had one that ran on z/OS 1.6. I just tested it on z/OS 1.8. I am getting a SB78-4 abend. IEA705I ERROR DURING GETMAIN SYS CODE = B78-04 TSH009NG JS010 00 IEA705I 00F5C700 009DFB08 009DFB08 00803400 ... CAPE022I TSH009NG JS010ABENDED SB78

Re: Extracting SMF Records to find the userid who deleted a dataset

2007-12-13 Thread vijay raj
Thanks - Original Message - Thanks David and all who replied. Thanks - Original Message From: David Betten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, 13 December, 2007 11:15:18 PM Subject: Re: Extracting SMF Records to find the userid who deleted a dataset You can

Re: LE assembler program abends SB78-4

2007-12-13 Thread Craddock, Chris
Does anybody have a LE main program written in HLASM? I had one that ran on z/OS 1.6. I just tested it on z/OS 1.8. I am getting a SB78-4 abend. snip There are no hit on IBMLink that I can see. If I am decoding the IEA705I message correctly, the subpool number is x'0080' or decimal 128. That

Re: LE assembler program abends SB78-4

2007-12-13 Thread Steve Comstock
McKown, John wrote: Does anybody have a LE main program written in HLASM? I had one that ran on z/OS 1.6. I just tested it on z/OS 1.8. I am getting a SB78-4 abend. IEA705I ERROR DURING GETMAIN SYS CODE = B78-04 TSH009NG JS010 00 IEA705I 00F5C700 009DFB08 009DFB08 00803400 ... CAPE022I TSH009NG

Re: LE assembler program abends SB78-4

2007-12-13 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 3:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: LE assembler program abends SB78-4 snip I've got quite a few. Is there something specific

Re: SDUMPX / IPCS / DATASPACE - missing data

2007-12-13 Thread Tom Harper
Todd, It means that there were no frames backing this address range. The normal reason for this is because you have not referenced those frames since the data space was created or you have released the frames backing those data space addresses. Tom Harper -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest

2007-12-13 Thread Art Celestini
Similar to what I said in an earlier post about BCTR Rx,0, I suspect that the early stages of the pipeline just do a raw classification of the upcoming instructions -- perhaps just by their op-codes. Because Load- Address involves a process of generating an address from a base/displacement (and

Re: How do you collect your Discribuetd systems jobs?

2007-12-13 Thread Bruno Sugliani
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:06:03 +0200, Itschak Mugzach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a distributed world, jobs submitted by a scheduling product are running in many platforms. How do collect them to have a centralized view of the process sysout? Do you use a product for that? Are you using SSH to run

Re: LE assembler program abends SB78-4

2007-12-13 Thread McKown, John
Never mind. I'm an IDIOT! I have some old LE modules in one of my test load libraries that was on my STEPLIB. I was running a bit scared there. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-13 Thread Patrick Lyon
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:34:02 -0600, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hum, like a morphing of z/OS as legacy + UNIX to more of UNIX + legacy? I.e. the UNIX portion takes over more and more of the initial processing so that instead of IPL'ing z/OS and OMVS coming along later, you boot OMVS

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