Re: Flash memory arrays

2008-01-18 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 1/18/2008 9:05:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IBM, EMC and HDS send faulty drives back to Seagate and Hitachi for analysis for their modular products as well. There is no difference between drives used in Enterprise and Modular arrays. IT's not

Re: Flash memory arrays

2008-01-18 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 11:26 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Clark Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: VSAM is already FBA Sort of. A VSAM file, once loaded, consists of blocks of all the same size, but VSAM allows more than one block size (e.g., 4K and 8K). FBA, to me, means that

Re: Flash memory arrays

2008-01-17 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 1/17/2008 10:01:17 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does the ECKD dasd give us the ability to have fixed record lengths and blocksizes? Yes, but not automatically. Fixed record lengths and block sizes must be imposed by the software first.

non-mainframe post (was Re: Outsourced - the movie)

2008-01-16 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 1/16/2008 6:50:56 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Totally ignores the effects of outsourcing on the workers in Seattle who lost their jobs. But, hey, it's Hollywood. Maybe there's an Indian movie that concentrates on the effects of insourcing on

Kill this thread (was loose vs. lose)

2008-01-09 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
Kill this thread. All these wonderful posts are certainly on topic, but the topic has nothing to do with mainframes. IMHO Bill Fairchild Franklin, TN **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.

Re: OT: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomor...

2008-01-08 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 1/8/2008 7:36:42 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The summary of the Schonberg paper begins: 1. Mathematics requirements in CS programs are shrinking. It doesn't take a professional paper to realize that mathematics requirements in virtually ALL

Re: VTOC Fmt6 (just curious)

2008-01-08 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 1/8/2008 7:57:10 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do not remember the split parameter on JCL on(in) JCL from MFT 18.6 days but you say in was still there in MVS 2.0 are you sure it was there(or when it was dropped)? I probably erred. I

Re: IBM LCS

2008-01-08 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 1/8/2008 10:00:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The way I remember it, we could ask for more LCS than main, but it was much slower. You're right. I remembered it backwards. LCS was slower than normal storage but also much less expensive.

Re: OT: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomor...

2008-01-08 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 1/8/2008 12:15:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a degree in Computer Science with a minor in stats. So, I have a strong mathematical background. But, over the last 26 years, I've found that it intimidates my management. ... So, I've

DIAG (was It keeps getting uglier)

2008-01-07 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/29/2007 2:13:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Documented or not, DIAG is heavily used, both in IBM and non-IBM code. One example: I don't remember the CPU model, but in 1987 I studied the microfiche for the various initialization modules

Re: IOS050I CHANNEL DETECTED ERROR ON AA1A,52,9D,**02,PCHID=0142

2008-01-07 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 1/7/2008 1:38:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The error occurred on a write count key data command X'1D' with the multi-trk bit on, hence the 9d to device AA1A on chpid 52. Close. It is actually a write count, key, and data next track

Re: IOS050I CHANNEL DETECTED ERROR ON AA1A,52,9D,**02,PCHID=0142

2008-01-07 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 1/7/2008 1:33:50 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The IOS050I is stating you have a hardware error. The only way to fix it is to correct the issue. Not necessarily. I always assume that I have made an error in building the channel program

Re: It keeps getting uglier

2008-01-07 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/31/2007 2:13:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When processors srarted to include High-Speed Buffers, now commonly called cache, any published timings became very difficult to determine. When memory references were simple real memory

DIAG (was It keeps getting uglier)

2008-01-07 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/31/2007 12:25:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IIRC, the various S/360 instruction timings were in a manual called Functional Characteristics. The various DIAGNOSE code might have been included there, since the manual was model dependant.

Re: VTOC Fmt6 (just curious)

2008-01-07 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/31/2007 12:47:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes What was Fmt6 for ? Originally in DOS/360 you could, and in some cases were encouraged to, allocate files so that more than one file would share the same cylinder numbers as another file.

Re: It keeps getting uglier

2007-12-28 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/28/2007 2:45:03 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:14:48 -0500 Gerhard Postpischil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :On the 360/40, I used diagnose for two functions - one was to :rewind all tapes, open the windows, and power

Re: It keeps getting uglier

2007-12-28 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/28/2007 10:39:46 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You write a nice little utility to generate a report by retrieving data from the Support Processor using the Diagnose instruction. You leave the company, who later installs a new processor. Your

Re: Batch Tuning

2007-12-27 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/27/2007 3:15:10 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: any other thing we can do to implement to improve our batch further? Check RMF (or other monitors') stats for IOS queueing on your batch DASD farm. If excessive, add some PAVs, if possible,

Re: Max. number of physical blocks on 3390 track

2007-12-21 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/20/2007 5:22:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I seem to remember macro TRACKCAP (?) that would return the needed information to you (or I may be confused and it had a different function). That would be TRKCALC, which is documented in the

Re: Max. number of physical blocks on 3390 track

2007-12-20 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/20/2007 7:43:02 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AFAIK it is 86, for equal blocks up to 22 bytes. Q: What is the reason for the limitation ? Surely, it's not track capacity. Where can I find further information (some RTFM) ? The maximum number of

Re: Max. number of physical blocks on 3390 track

2007-12-20 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) (R.S.) wrote: Where can I find further information (some RTFM) ? I forgot to add that I found the official formula once, probably on an IBM reference card for the 3390. And once I even tried to apply the formula to a specific case. Its

Re: Max. number of physical blocks on 3390 track

2007-12-20 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/20/2007 12:06:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can also get the formula calculations retruned from a Read Device Characteristics command to the storage controller. What is returned are the various constants that must be plugged into the

Re: It keeps getting uglier

2007-12-20 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/20/2007 12:32:25 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why is it a stunning admission that there is a confidential version of the POPs? I believe the meaning is that Phil considered it stunning that IBM would formally admit that the well known open

Re: Exploiting Parallel Access Volumes

2007-12-18 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/18/2007 7:58:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: we have a mainly batch workload, and the main benefit of PAV's is apparently on multiple reads. Not true. The main benefit is to reduce IOS queueing. If your batch workload is being impacted by

Re: EXCP issues

2007-12-17 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/17/2007 1:43:38 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also I wanted to be able to be optimal in terms of reading and writing multiple blocks at a time to reduce the EXCP count as much as possible. EXCP is the only think that gives you this level of

Re: EXCP issues

2007-12-17 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/17/2007 7:52:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not thinking about actual physical disk implmentation of the virtual 3390, purely how I can most optimally write my channel programs based on the virtual architecture of a 3390. The optimal

Re: EXCP issues

2007-12-17 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/17/2007 11:08:27 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was under the impression that the access methods (e.g., BSAM, QSAM, etc.) used EXCPVR rather than STARTIO. Is that not the case? That is not the case. QSAM, BSAM, BPAM, and BDAM all use EXCP

Re: EXCP issues

2007-12-17 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/17/2007 11:14:03 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We do our own EXCP prefixing to limit the size of the define extent as much as possible -- to cover only those tracks actually being read/written. This helps avoid contention that otherwise

Re: EXCP issues

2007-12-17 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/17/2007 9:02:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My understanding is that exploiting PAV means queueing multiple channel programs against different extents of the file so that they can be executed simultaneously due to PAV having allocated

Re: EXCP issues

2007-12-17 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/17/2007 11:41:57 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't remember whether EXCPVR has a unique Driver ID. I seem to recall that most of the access methods were grouped under one ID, except for VSAM. It's been a while since I looked (at the

Re: Exploiting Parallel Access Volumes

2007-12-17 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/17/2007 9:37:26 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Only with write intent. If all activity is read only you can have more active. Depends on what is meant by extent. If you mean the extent contained within the DX operands, then yes. If you

Re: Exploiting Parallel Access Volumes

2007-12-17 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/17/2007 9:50:22 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's no point in implementing code that will have multiple outstanding EXCPs, greatly increasing the complexity, if all that's going to happen is that they are going to be executed serially

Re: Exploiting Parallel Access Volumes

2007-12-17 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/17/2007 10:07:37 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When you create your channel programs you will need to make sure that the DEFINE EXTENT ranges do not overlap otherwise IOS will again queue your I/O. IOS always queues every I/O, but if

Re: EXCP issues

2007-12-17 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/17/2007 2:15:38 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At one time, I had a desire to use a SSCH Exit, whose address is defined in the VOID entry for each driver. I had asked IBM to consider a new service to dynamically define an I/O Driver (so that

Re: EXCP issues

2007-12-16 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/15/2007 2:53:23 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but apart from using VSAM LDS there doesn't seem to be must choice for performing random access on potentially large files but to use EXCP. -unsnip-- BDAM may

Re: Common Dataspace

2007-12-10 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/8/2007 7:32:57 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you are only a few minutes away from some problem ticket asking you to prove/state that your software was not the cause of the system problem. It's much easier to fix a bug in your own persistent

Re: Common Dataspace

2007-12-10 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/10/2007 2:12:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We have a number of vendor and IBM SCOPE=COMMON data spaces that are anchored off *MASTER*. None have ever caused a problem so far. Have any of these vendors even been asked to look at a problem

Re: Common Dataspace

2007-12-10 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/10/2007 2:41:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How could runing a SRB and anchor a CADS cause any problems beside problems for the SRB itself. My coding runs now for several customers without any problem/ticket so far. I didn't modify

Re: Uh, oh ...

2007-12-07 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/7/2007 5:47:52 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I thought you were a pommy (not a pom) living in Pomland. Oh, well. I was close. :-) BTW, what is the real derivation of that term? Just curious. Bill Fairchild

Re: Uh, oh ...

2007-12-07 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 12/7/2007 9:59:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Prisoner Of Mother England .. I think . The ultimate origin may be in question, but I believe the current meaning is universal. A South Africaner explained to me that people of

Re: FLIH vs. SLIH, I think.

2007-11-28 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 11/28/2007 10:23:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IIRC, FLIH effectively ended when enough status was saved that ANY other interrupt would not lead to a data loss such that the original interrupt couldn't be processed correctly. Emphasis seemed

Mazel tov (was I Got a Job)

2007-11-28 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 11/28/2007 6:12:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ...mazal is actually constellation. AFAIK the word came into Hebrew from Farsi. Wikipedia to the rescue: _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazel_tov_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazel_tov) The

Re: What is 'MVS-recognized' disablement?

2007-11-25 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 11/25/2007 10:45:30 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No service that I know of tests for possible ways. They always look for the PSW. GETMAIN did ca. 1991. I was disabled via PSW swap and tried to get an authorized-only subpool. It failed with

Re: What is 'MVS-recognized' disablement?

2007-11-24 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 11/23/2007 4:42:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Peter Hunkeler said Interrupt Status: An FRR gets control and is entered disabled if, at the time of the error, the mainline is disabled. Any FRR entered disabled must remain disabled. This

Re: What is 'MVS-recognized' disablement?

2007-11-22 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 11/21/2007 5:44:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Acquiring a lock does not turn on a super bit. It turns on a bit in the locks held string. Right. I mis-remembered what I found by instruction stepping through GETMAIN many years ago, which was

Re: What is 'MVS-recognized' disablement?

2007-11-21 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 11/21/2007 5:31:09 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: :The manual gives a further explanation: :MVS does not guarantee preservation of the interrupt status of :programs that explicitly disable for I/O and external interrupts :through the STNSM

Re: What is 'MVS-recognized' disablement?

2007-11-21 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 11/21/2007 9:23:22 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nucleus is not going to page fault. And if STARTIO fails before it gets the UCB lock, no harm - no foul - since nothing is in the middle. So there are zero defects now in the nucleus? I doubt it.

Re: CSA 'above the bar'

2007-11-14 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 11/14/2007 7:45:09 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My thinking, right or wrong was that if they used the lowest bit to do the signaling, they would have lost addressability to less. The lowest bit was assigned a meaning in the mid-1960s, namely an

Re: (OT) Former IBM consultant selling Waffles

2007-11-12 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 11/12/2007 4:43:05 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The consequences from outsourcing(?). Even the full story does not give any details on his reasons. It mentions his desire for entrepreneurialism, so I suspect that he would have changed

Re: Is it possible to get them? (Pierce, Bernard's old papers)

2007-11-09 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 11/9/2007 9:29:29 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your best avenue to get the papers might be to track down Bernard R. Pierce He worked for IBM long ago, went to Candle, and IBM acquired Candle. Ergo I believe he now works for IBM again. Cheryl

Re: Test message

2007-11-08 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 11/8/2007 9:47:00 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is IBM Main down? This is a test message. IBM-Main is not down as far as I can determine. It's downness for others is undetermined. Bill Fairchild Franklin, TN

Re: CSA 'above the bar'

2007-11-08 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 11/8/2007 10:02:17 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have not checked this for myself yet, and probably won't have the time in the next few weeks... In theory... If I allocate 200 bytes of storage at x'7f00', and my program, the way some Cobol

Re: High order bit in 31/24 bit address

2007-11-08 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 11/8/2007 12:46:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who wants to pay for the companies to supply two sets of ATM keys, one which can be used anywhere, and the other can only be used in walk-up ATMs? Which is also why we now have assembly and

Re: Poster of computer hardware events?

2007-11-08 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 11/8/2007 12:55:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: tried to put the time for computer events into perspective. A 100-MIPS processor can execute 100 million average instructions per secon d, so one average instruction takes one hundred-millionth

Re: Poster of computer hardware events?

2007-11-08 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 11/8/2007 1:02:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A Direct Access Storage Device read of a 4K block, if the data is not in the DASD Subsystem's cache, would take at least one millisecond, which is ten to the minus three power seconds. The

Re: CSA 'above the bar'

2007-11-08 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 11/8/2007 6:21:04 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the MVS world, if a Problem State program attempts to modify 0xxx (where x is 0-512 decimal and regardless of the content of the current base register) and LAP is on... So it is not truly

Re: CSA 'above the bar'

2007-11-06 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 11/6/2007 1:24:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm confused. Is the hole between 2GB 4GB for all addresses, or just those in CSA? All addresses. I thought this thread was only about CSA. Many, if not most, posts' subject eventually strays

Re: CSA 'above the bar'

2007-11-04 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 11/3/2007 9:49:47 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The bar is at 2G. But, there is a dead zone between 2G and 4G that will never be allocated by z/OS. For simplicity, some folks like to think of the z/OS virtual storage bar as being 2G thick. And,

Re: How to force initiator failure

2007-11-02 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
-Original Message- From: Bob Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:19 am Subject: How to force initiator failure Anyone know a good way to get an initiator to abend and terminate? (for testing) You can do this with TMON/MVS if you have the product.?

Re: VARY too many devices offline

2007-10-28 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 10/25/2007 1:15:00 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What would you do with dishonest consultants? The same thing you do with dishonest interns, trainees, employees, managers, CEOs, Chairmen of the Board, etc. And it depends on who you is. A you with

Re: About dispatching process

2007-10-28 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 10/24/2007 12:52:33 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am curious If I can induce a Machine check without actually messing with the pysical machine... Yes. Any of the 6 interrupt classes can be induced as follows: your authorized program (must be

Re: ICKDSF - PARMS

2007-10-28 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 10/27/2007 5:47:26 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Look for something like IOS000 (IOS001, etc.) as an IBM message number. Then tell us everything on that line and all subsequent lines that are part of the same message. I don't mean this in a

Re: About dispatching process

2007-10-28 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 10/28/2007 9:44:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does a P390 have a machine check light on it? :) Beats me. I had a P/390 years ago but don't any more, and can't remember if it had any lights at all. Bill Fairchild Franklin, TN

Re: ICKDSF - PARMS

2007-10-27 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 10/26/2007 7:33:20 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We are using 3390. Sorry, it was an I/O ERROR Is the ANANLYZE sufficient? This is like asking for help when the problem is reported as program error. We need a lot more detailed information. The

Re: VARY too many devices offline

2007-10-22 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 10/22/2007 5:09:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Operators (especially console operators) are extremely competent and if they screw up, IMO, they need to be fired. That's just ridiculous. I have seen operators who knew much more about what

Re: UCB Wikipedia Article

2007-10-18 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 10/18/2007 1:21:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. There are still UCBs *below* the line, so while parts are always in ESQA, parts can still be in SQA. The poor UCB has undergone cruel and unusual punishment in the evolution of OS/360 to

Re: UCB Wikipedia Article

2007-10-18 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 10/18/2007 2:02:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The captured UCB isn't a copy of the UCB - it is simply another virtual view of the UCB created via the IARVSERV page level sharing services. Thanks for clarifying that. I haven't yet used or

Re: LOAD a module into CSA/ECSA

2007-10-07 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 10/7/2007 10:45:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of course we can use a batch job to do it and the initiator will not terminate as the job ends. But in my opinion, it's still not safe. It's still possible that the operator will recycle the

Re: LOAD a module into CSA/ECSA

2007-10-07 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 10/7/2007 12:21:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let us see if he will go to the effort to determine how big the storage area should be, or if that will be his next question. If he's reading all these posts, he just might get a clue from this

Re: LOAD a module into CSA/ECSA

2007-10-07 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 10/7/2007 1:30:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I cannot fully understand what you mean by 'self-terminate'. As I know, when the initiator is started the address space will always be there ready for the incoming job assigned by JES. One out of

Re: GETMAIN/FREEMAIN and virtual storage backing up

2007-10-05 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 10/5/2007 4:43:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: initially running on 360/67 machines. it had hack on the side to create a single 16mbyte virtual address space and some simple interrupt handler for page faults. it also had CCWTRANS (and associated

Re: GETMAIN/FREEMAIN and virtual storage backing up

2007-10-03 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 10/3/2007 9:39:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the first reference, the hardware will recognize an 0C4, which will be handled by the OS on your behalf and RSM and ASM will get involved to locate a page for you. Your program will NOT see this

Re: GETMAIN/FREEMAIN and virtual storage backing up

2007-10-03 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 10/3/2007 10:19:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just to nit pick a little... It is not a 0C4, but a PIC 4. 0C4 is not an interruption, but the abend code that MVS produces when it is unable to resolve the program interruption. Ah, good

Re: Industry Standard Time To Analyze A Line Of Code

2007-10-02 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 10/2/2007 9:49:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: More specifically, I'm looking at this from a maintenance perspective. If I give a programmer an existing program to modify, how long on average will it take, per line of code, to analyze the

Re: IEFBR14 and the bar [was:RE: Writing 23FDs]

2007-09-27 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 9/26/2007 10:21:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wouldn't it depend on home many DD's were defined and the location of the datasets? My first post said that (in z/OS) you can't execute any code above the bar unless you move it there yourself.

Re: IEFBR14 and the bar [was:RE: Writing 23FDs]

2007-09-27 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 9/27/2007 9:56:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: don't understand why you would want to turn on the DIRF bit. I used to have to I got it backwards. I also used to zap the DIRF bit on, then allocated a meaningless temporary data set to

Re: India is outsourcing jobs as well

2007-09-26 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
As Ralph Nader said, it's a race to the bottom. Bill Fairchild Plainfield, IL ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,

Re: IEFBR14 and the bar [was:RE: Writing 23FDs]

2007-09-26 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 9/26/2007 4:04:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought the current implementation required all executing code to reside below 2G. There's been discussion of this topic before on either IBM-MAIN and/or the Assembler post place (can't remember

Re: Dynamic load module name extraction?

2007-09-25 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 9/25/2007 8:37:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there a way for an executing assembler program to extract its own load module name for programmatic examination? (If it matters, it would be the original load module called via an EXEC statement

Re: DASDs Extents in DB2 world

2007-09-13 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 9/13/2007 5:59:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1-3 extents occupy one VTOC block, next extents if available occupy another VTOC block. In other words 100+ extents dataset occupy the same VTOC space as 4 extent dataset. This is not totally

Re: DASDs Extents in DB2 world

2007-09-13 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 9/13/2007 9:43:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I noticed that both format 1 and format 3 DSCBs use 'lower limit' and 'upper limit' to describe the scope of each extent and they're all in CCHH format, not CCHHR as I assumed. Does that mean all

Re: DASDs Extents in DB2 world

2007-09-13 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 9/13/2007 9:48:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, the smallest data set size is one track, and all data sets are allocated in units of tracks or cylinders. That being said, keep in mind that a member in a PDS may be smaller than a track, and

Re: The future of IBM Mainframes [just thinking]

2007-09-12 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 9/12/2007 6:22:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is only ONE List-Serve that I know of which requires you to use a corporate e-mail to contribute. And, that is ISV-Costs (run by John Anderson of IBM Canada). So, I never joined because my

Re: Dynamic PAV Device Limit?

2007-09-10 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 9/9/2007 8:34:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think the discussion may be accidentally creating confusion about OE and channel limitations at a single device level. The number of OE on a channel is the sum of all IO on the channel no matter how

Re: The future of IBM Mainframes [just thinking]

2007-09-10 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... we in the developed world are in an economic war... Aiding them is not in our economic self interest... For my part, I believe a boycott is in order. Every individual is in an economic war with every other individual on earth

Re: Dynamic PAV Device Limit?

2007-09-09 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 9/7/2007 10:03:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I suggest browsing Pat Artis' website for some quality education on FICON. I am doing that now and browsing the general Internet, too. I have learned a lot over the years from Pat Artis. Based

Re: Dynamic PAV Device Limit?

2007-09-07 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 9/7/2007 7:59:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have not been able to find any statement about whether WLM will put any limit on the number of aliases that can be assigned to a particular device when using Dynamic PAVs. Does anyone on the

Re: Dynamic PAV Device Limit?

2007-09-07 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 9/7/2007 11:47:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is not quite right. FICON is restricted by the either the number of OE supported by the channel, or the OE supported by the Storage port. On a z9 there can be 64 OE on every channel on an LCU -

Re: STROBE Layoffs

2007-09-06 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 9/6/2007 7:51:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I am hoping for in the future is the Bill Gates strategy (sell an entire operating for $79) and make billions. That's great strategy for Bill, but not for me. In this case, I believe you

Re: DASD wont go offline.

2007-09-05 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 9/5/2007 8:12:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why create duplex pairs and split them just to DF-DSS dump the volume?. There has been a facility in DF-DSS, for quite a number of years now, called Concurrent Copy. Concurrent-Copy uses a cache

Re: Subtracting TOD-CLOCK values to get duration.

2007-09-03 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 9/3/2007 6:38:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I understand TOD time is the number of mic seconds elapsed since midnight of 1900-01-01. Partially correct. Bit 51 of the 64-bit TOD clock is the number of microseconds since... etc. But

Re: Getting LRECL and RECFM of a dataset

2007-08-30 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 8/30/2007 6:41:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess the OBTAIN-Macro is best for me because I've got the needed VOLSER already from the CSI and so have everything what is needed to invoke OBTAIN successfully. Then you will need to include

Re: Virtual Storage implementation

2007-08-30 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 8/29/2007 3:41:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would suggest Volume 1 of the ABCs of z/OS System Programming if you haven't already read it. http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246981.html?Open I went there and downloaded all of the

Re: Virtual Storage implementation

2007-08-30 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 8/30/2007 12:27:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If they're not on the web site, they're not available yet. I know that volume 6 needs some updating and major editorial work before they can release it. I don't know about the volume 4, but it

Re: Virtual Storage implementation

2007-08-30 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
The analyses of presumed hidden reasons for the original technical question have reminded me of two things: (1) In 1977 I asked an IBM SE What system control block in MVS contains the seek address when the I/O is active? In MVT it used to be the UCB [or wherever]. Where is it now? The

Re: Getting LRECL and RECFM of a dataset

2007-08-29 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 8/29/2007 11:46:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: is there a way to get the LRECL and RECFM (and maybe other attributes) of a dataset without opening it? Yes - LOCATE and OBTAIN. Look in archives for more details. Bill Fairchild Plainfield,

Re: Vary devices online and offline

2007-08-27 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 8/27/2007 2:49:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If the address are in order, you could enter V da00-da01,offline And reduce the number of commands you have to issue. You can also enter V (DA00-DA01,DA08-DAFF,DB83-DB89,...etc.),OFFLINE to

Re: RECFM=VBS and null segments

2007-08-23 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 8/23/2007 2:37:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (You do not have to be concerned about null segments unless you have created a data set using null segments.) I think a better way to say that is this: You ought to be concerned about null

Re: JCL passing parms to ASM module?

2007-08-22 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 8/16/2007 3:48:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, with PARM usage, does R1 point to a pointer to the parm field? Yes, but only sort of. With PARM='' usage, on entry to the program R1 contains the address of a fullword. In this

Re: LPA Module Size 80MB impact on system?

2007-08-22 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 8/22/2007 9:27:33 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, as far as LPA is concerned, is it protected using another mechanism? So even you're running in key 0, you still cannot modify LPA. LPA modules are stored in page-protected storage. This

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