On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 04:37:34 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
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In 84eb68c5090445q3dfa7449k71369f2942b71...@mail.gmail.com, on
01/12/2009
at 09:45 AM, Daz har...@gmail.com said:
Are you positive about that? My book says to reply FORMAT,NOREQ for a
cold
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|o new system1st IPL...JES2 starts but does not
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I finally figured out the answer to why I wasn't getting any messages out at
IPL time for my newly built 1.9 system. Thanks to all who replied. The one
suggestion that made the biggest difference was to shut off the console and use
the hardware console. After I issued a D R,L command from
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I finally figured out the answer to why I wasn't getting any messages
Eric Bielefeld wrote:
I finally figured out the answer to why I wasn't getting
any messages out at IPL time for my newly built 1.9 system.
Thanks to all who replied. The one suggestion that made
the biggest difference was to shut off the console and use
the hardware console. After I issued
Richard,
Thanks. I put that in my PDS member that has useful MVS commands. Now, if
something like this ever happens again, I will have to remember that I
documented this command!
Eric
Richard Peurifoy r-peuri...@neo.tamu.edu wrote:
Next time, try
D R,L,CN=(ALL)
This will show
In 84eb68c5090445q3dfa7449k71369f2942b71...@mail.gmail.com, on
01/12/2009
at 09:45 AM, Daz har...@gmail.com said:
Are you positive about that? My book says to reply FORMAT,NOREQ for a
cold start, and just NOREQ for a warm.
FORMAT takes much longer than a cold start.
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In 20090109210758.dkbsc.51724.r...@hrndva-web15-z01, on 01/09/2009
at 03:07 PM, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com said:
Any thoughts?
Direct JES2 messages to a printer. If you're running under VM it can be a
virtual printer.
Alternatively, specify a large Master Trace table and take a
Dave,
I always do my first IPL with the system as shipped. I do a full system
replacement. I have never shared spool with my test Lpars. Management wants
my test systems totally separate from production, which I don't blame them for.
In this case I really can't share spool. I have about
you wrote There are a bunch of messages for uninitialized DASD... This
might cause short on CSA, that in turn, cause halt in IPL. How many uninit.
dasd do you have?
ITschak
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.comwrote:
Dave,
I always do my first IPL with the
Are you positive about that? My book says to reply FORMAT,NOREQ for a cold
start, and just NOREQ for a warm.
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.comwrote:
John. I tried $S. I didn't really think it would work, and it just said
it was an invalid command. The
I think there are 96 volumes uninitialized. I should probably put vtocs on
them. The system is up - at least I can issue commands and get responces. Its
just JES2 that won't come up, or give me any messages.
Eric
Itschak Mugzach imugz...@gmail.com wrote:
you wrote There are a bunch
I guess your right - Format,Noreq. I mistyped that.
Eric
Daz har...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you positive about that? My book says to reply FORMAT,NOREQ for a cold
start, and just NOREQ for a warm.
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.comwrote:
John.
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I guess your right - Format,Noreq. I mistyped that.
Eric
Daz har...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you positive about that? My book says to reply FORMAT,NOREQ for
a
cold
start, and just NOREQ for a warm
There were no WTORs of any kind. Spool is only several hundred cylinders. I
have several things to look at tomorrow.
Eric
Gibney wrote:
Do you get that first JES WTOR? I ask, because I'm now unclear where
you are in the IPL. If, as you seem to be saying, this is a new and
complete
o new system1st IPL...JES2 starts but does not initialiseno obvious
WTORs or erro messages.
o D A,JES2 shows JES2 task active
options:
1. Take Stand Alone DUMP. Use your current system SA-DUMP if you have
to. It will, at a minimum, let your review SYSLOG messages.
2. Is there
Can you display the output from your D,A,L so that we can see what is there
and what's not?
The uninit DASD shouldn't make a difference for JES, if it did you would see
a message of some kind. I like the idea of getting JES out of there and
then trying to restart it manually to see what messages
I already figured that out that JES2 wasn't initialized yet. D R,R shows
nothing, as a may have already replied.
Eric
Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com wrote:
'Invalid command' in response to $S means that JES2 has not initialized far
enough to respond to any commands. I would
In a message dated 1/10/2009 10:20:44 A.M. Central Standard Time,
eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com writes:
I already figured that out that JES2 wasn't initialized yet. D R,R shows
nothing, as a may have already replied.
Can you get to syslog either hardcopy or HMC to see if there are any obvious
want to check GRS for
ENQ / RESERVE lockouts ...
HTH
Regards,
Ulrich Krueger
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The messages go by really fast, so I didn't see any error messages. Just after
the console goes to roll mode, all messages stop. As stated in another reply,
D R,L and D R,R show no outstanding replies.
I believe IEFSSN is starting JES2. Since I'm not at work, I can't really check
the screen.
Regards,
Ulrich Krueger
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I already figured that out that JES2
Thanks for all the great replies. I have several things to check when I get in
Monday morning.
Ulrich - in reply to your other message, the console is in RD mode. I don't
think that matters though, because when the messages scroll by, that's before
the console is set up in RD mode. There
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:18:26 +, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com
wrote:
The messages go by really fast, so I didn't see any error messages. Just
after the console goes to roll mode, all messages stop. As stated in
another reply, D R,L and D R,R show no outstanding replies.
I believe
Hi Eric,
I haven't done 1.9 yet, but at 1.4 to 1.7, I discovered that the size of my
checkpoint was too small. One very short green message that went flying by and
JES2 would not finish initializing. My symtoms were the same as yours, and I
didn't have any WTOR either. Having 2 checkpoints
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 03:21:23 +, Linda Mooney wrote:
Hi Eric,
I haven't done 1.9 yet, but at 1.4 to 1.7, I discovered that the size of my
checkpoint was too small. One very short green message that went flying by
and JES2 would not finish initializing. My symtoms were the same as yours,
I missed the first part of this, but have you issued a D R,R to see if you
have any outstanding messages?
Brian
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Hi Dave,
$ACTIVATE avoidance mostly because of all of the 3rd party products with JES2
tables and/or exits. The way our change control goes, if I did a $ACTIVATE we
would have had to bring folks in for testing, etc. Besides, I needed to expand
spool anyway. We had outgrown our previous
I just IPL'd z/OS 1.9 for the first time. I've been waiting for about 35
minutes after the IPL messages stopped coming out for JES2 to issue a message.
If I do a D A,L, it shows JES2 as running, and a bunch of tasks starting, like
they should be before JES2 is fully initialized. I can't
Try $S.
Thanks
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I just IPL'd z/OS
It can, I don't remember the weights and shares I had, but defining a
single CP to my oft-IPL'ed test system and bumping it's share to
something that gave it a few mips (IIRC, we were 160 total and I gave it
10) was acceptable. An idling lpar on this system would use 2% or more
of the plex.
According to RMF Mon 3, my lpar is taking 1.4% of CPU steadily. Early in the
IPL, it had as much as 10% for a 100 second interval.
I don't think it has anything to do with 1.9.
I've found that any OS requires 10% of the processor (regardless of size) to
IPL.
1.4% is way to small.
So is a 100
Also, don't CLPA if you don't need to
First IPL -- you have to!
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I just IPL'd z/OS 1.9
Did you do a $S? Did your console messages go to an unexpected console? You can
always take a SAD to determine the state of your system.
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We are migrating from z/OS 1.7. My test Lpar is not part of the production
sysplex, and won't ever be from what I understand.
I IPL'd 3 times now, all with the same results. I tried taking a Stand Alone
dump, and I never get a console message, even though it is supposed to go to
the same
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I ran into a similar situation some time ago when a library that should
have been was not APF authorized.
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I just IPL'd z/OS 1.9 for the first time
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:07:57 -0600, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com
wrote:
I just IPL'd z/OS 1.9 for the first time. I've been waiting for about 35
minutes after the IPL messages stopped coming out for JES2 to issue a
message. If I do a D A,L, it shows JES2 as running, and a bunch of tasks
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We are migrating from z/OS 1.7. My test Lpar is not part
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 21:18:44 +, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote:
According to RMF Mon 3, my lpar is taking 1.4% of CPU steadily. Early in
the IPL, it had as much as 10% for a 100 second interval.
I don't think it has anything to do with 1.9.
I've found that any OS requires 10% of the
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 22:26:59 +, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com
wrote:
We are migrating from z/OS 1.7. My test Lpar is not part of the production
sysplex, and won't ever be from what I understand.
I IPL'd 3 times now, all with the same results. I tried taking a Stand
Alone dump, and I
It just took a while... But P/390 eventually worked :-)
Natarajan
Mark Zelden mark.zel...@zurichna.com 1/9/2009 3:12 PM
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 21:18:44 +, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote:
According to RMF Mon 3, my lpar is taking 1.4% of CPU steadily. Early in
the IPL, it had as much as
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I just IPL'd z/OS 1.9 for the first time. I've been waiting for about 35
minutes after the IPL messages stopped coming out for JES2 to issue a message.
If I do a D A,L, it shows JES2 as running, and a bunch of tasks starting,
One way to catch NIP messages is to disconnect all CONSOLES and let the message
go to system messages on HMC.
Natarajan
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Really? I've IPLed with 1% ... it just takes a long time. And 1% of a z900
at that (box virtually at 100% busy and weight of sandbox LPAR = 1%).
I wonder how people ever IPLed a 3 mip P/390?
Lucky you!
I've found in an LPAR environment, especially with the synchronous requirements
of an IPL,
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