USSTAB Message Corruption Revisited

2010-04-19 Thread Martin Kline
Last August I worked with Chris Mason on a USS table issue. A brief recap: TCPIP provides symbol substitution in USS messages which contain system symbols and certain defined character strings that start with two or more '@' characters. VTAM also provides symbol substitution for defined characte

USS with the TN3270 server and with OSA (type OSE) (was "USSTAB & 3270EDS")

2009-12-28 Thread Chris Mason
words, using a "3270 format" table can be considered as somewhat abnormal when using TN3270E - but don't let that bother you! - Lastly, let's clean up your switched major node definitions. > TEST VBUILD TYPE=SWNET,MAXNO=1000,MAXGRP=2 PUZZ88 PU ADDR=XX,PUTYPE=2,MAXPATH=1,MAX

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-19 Thread Chris Mason
Martin Great job! - thanks for all the tests. It's just about the worst case possible. Only the upper case somewhat relieves the risk. Even VTAM folk haven't been quite clever enough to spot the risk with the "@" variables but the chances of an "accident" with them is very, very small with all

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-19 Thread Martin Kline
>You seem to have a sandbox available to you so I would like to suggest some >more tests. >a. Does the VTAM implementation skip order sequences when scanning >for "@" characters? Check with HOSTNET preceded by an SF with attribute >byte X'7C', "protected", "autoskip" and "nondisplay" - which is

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-11 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:47:37 -0500, Chris Mason wrote: >... > I have seen system programmers deliberately colour their >USS message fields without regard to whether or not the colour >caused the field to become unprotected. > Guilty as charged ... almost. Not exactly "without regard to whet

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-11 Thread Chris Mason
Martin > ... but felt you should know I haven't dropped the discussion. That's good to know! > It's highly unlikely someone would ... but, 'highly unlikely' is just the > type of open pit someone eventually falls into. Precisely. It's because of that "open pit" - 'for some value of' likely s

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-11 Thread Martin Kline
>You seem to have a sandbox available to you so I would like to suggest some >more tests. Yes, but only as time permits - I am working on those tests, but felt you should know I haven't dropped the discussion. >Note that there's not too much point in checking the TN3270 implementation >with "@"-

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-07 Thread Chris Mason
Richard > ... so I got a copy of the old network solicitor from someone ... That may be *an* old network solicitor. The original IBM network solicitor was written with "basic" mode macros rather than "record" mode macros. ("Basic" mode was or pre-SNA devices and was dropped eons ago. NTO was a

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-07 Thread Chris Mason
Of John Hamman >> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:21 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu >> Subject: Re: USSTAB >> >> Still use custom USS tables here in Mississippi for both VTAM >> and TN3270 access... >> FWIW >> >> John Hamman > >so do we her

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-07 Thread Chris Mason
John Here's a set of questions you - and all other people responding positively to Martin's question - need to answer for yourself regarding the system symbols enhancement (the first question you have answered already): - Do you use USS tables with your z/OS TN3270 server, that is, you use the

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-07 Thread Chris Mason
ed the thread did all the list subscribers a kindness by using "USSTAB" as the "Subject" for this long-running thread. He could have caused immense confusion by using the "Subject" "System symbols in USS" as he would have been thoroughly entitled (pun) so to

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-07 Thread Chris Mason
Martin You seem to have a sandbox available to you so I would like to suggest some more tests. a. Does the VTAM implementation skip order sequences when scanning for "@" characters? Check with HOSTNET preceded by an SF with attribute byte X'7C', "protected", "autoskip" and "nondisplay" - which

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-07 Thread Chris Mason
Martin > I have indeed opened an ETR with IBM as a low-priority problem. Progress is as expected, slow, though I have gotten the support person to agree there is/are issue(s).Is that "issue" as in "issue" or "issue" as in "problem". Only when they acknowledge the latter are we going to see som

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-07 Thread Richard Peurifoy
Martin Kline wrote: BTW, for everyone (anyone?) who bothered to read this far, how many use a custom USS table? Is it just Chris, Patrick, myself and a couple other people in the world? When we had real 3270's, I used a custom table. When we first setup TCP/IP the TN3270 server didn't support

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-07 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:28:07 -0500, Barbara Nitz wrote: >> Fixing USS design flaws isn't going to be very high on anybody's list. > >But having enough complaints from different people (not just me - >after all, we're just someone out in Europe!) may get a few of >the 'suits' thinking, and a few

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-07 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John Hamman > Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:21 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: USSTAB > > Still use custom USS tables here in Mississippi for

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-06 Thread Barbara Nitz
> Fixing USS design flaws isn't going to be very high on anybody's list. But having enough complaints from different people (not just me - after all, we're just someone out in Europe!) may get a few of the 'suits' thinking, and a few technicians in a position to do something about it might start

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-06 Thread John Hamman
Still use custom USS tables here in Mississippi for both VTAM and TN3270 access... FWIW John Hamman Senior Systems Programmer BlueCross BlueShield of Mississippi 601.664.4410 jham...@bcbsms.com >>> "Patrick O'Keefe" 8/6/2009 4:09:57 PM >>> On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:20:53 -0500, Martin Kline wro

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-06 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:20:53 -0500, Martin Kline wrote: >... >BTW, for everyone (anyone?) who bothered to read this far, >how many use a custom USS table? Is it just Chris, Patrick, >myself and a couple other people in the world? >... You already know I'm in the customized camp, but I thought

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-06 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
hursday, August 06, 2009 2:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: USSTAB I appreciate the continued discussion. It's interesting banter. I have indeed opened an ETR with IBM as a low-priority problem. Progress is as expected, slow, though I have gotten the support person to agree there i

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-06 Thread Martin Kline
I appreciate the continued discussion. It's interesting banter. I have indeed opened an ETR with IBM as a low-priority problem. Progress is as expected, slow, though I have gotten the support person to agree there is/are issue(s). I'm not sure how this would be a "requirement." I just want the

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-05 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:07:50 -0500, Chris Mason wrote: >... >To someone who understands the matter - see the analysis above - > "incompetence" is the only word that seems to fit. The appearance >of "incompetence" may have been forced on both the designers and >developers - in which case my abject

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-05 Thread Chris Mason
Pat I'm looking at this from the point of view of an acceptable level of quality in the implementation of a function - an acceptable level for IBM, that is. I have deliberately stayed away from how it could be fixed because that is now very, very difficult. That's the problem with a botched des

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-05 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:03:22 -0500, Chris Mason wrote: >... >Yes, the whole design is a total mess. I suggest you hit your IBM >support with this shoddy design with as much force as you can >muster. It's incompetence piled on incompetence, in the >implementation *and* the description. It shows w

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-04 Thread Scott Rowe
Yes, that would be it. >>> Chris Mason 08/04/09 8:00 PM >>> Scott Is the explanation in this reference what you hoped you had correctly recalled?: 2.3.4.3 Rules for coding IEASYMxx Follow these rules when coding IEASYMxx: 1. Define new system symbols that are 1- through 8 characters long,

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-04 Thread Chris Mason
Juergen It would have helped if you had indicated where the "quotation" ended. I can't be sure whether your last paragraph is part of the quotation or your thoughts. Anyhow thanks for dragging this confession out of IBM and passing it on to us all. Because there is (a) VTAM logic supporting te

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-04 Thread Chris Mason
John > "you should know" you need a SF[E] with at least an attribute byte, immediately following a SBA. Who says? Simon? This is absolutely not true. You can use SBA order sequences to scatter text at will around the presentation space, something I have done and mostly with USS messages. The

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-04 Thread Chris Mason
Martin Having now verified that Scott Rowe was correct, there will be no overlaying because the substituted text is too long since this is not allowed. However, I can see that, in the event that you inadvertently use a valid system symbol name following your second address byte or the attribute

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-04 Thread Chris Mason
John > Of course, I'm "ass.u.ming" you follow the SBAs immediately with SF[E] orders In which case, it's the attribute one would have to worry about! Chris Mason On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:00:33 -0500, Chase, John wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-04 Thread Chris Mason
Scott Is the explanation in this reference what you hoped you had correctly recalled?: 2.3.4.3 Rules for coding IEASYMxx Follow these rules when coding IEASYMxx: 1. Define new system symbols that are 1- through 8 characters long, excluding the required ampersand and the optional period. For

Re: USSTAB

2009-08-04 Thread Chris Mason
Martin Thanks to you we now know that, when the substituted text has fewer characters than the system symbol, the length of the text string is reduced and there is no substitution with blanks, for example. This is in sharp contrast to the variables defined with the aid of the "@" character whe

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-30 Thread Juergen Keller
hello everybody, thank you also for the responses. My fault was, that I only looked in the VTAM-books as done for years. So I didn't find/knew the new functions in IP. But .. I opened a question at service-link about this and this is the answer: Even though both TN3270 and VTAM SNA are using the s

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-28 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Martin Kline > > "Strange and wonderful" was a good guess. The code which scans the buffer > does not check for 3270 orders, and may simply overlay them. Aparable? Since > the description reads, "The entire string spec

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-28 Thread Martin Kline
"Strange and wonderful" was a good guess. The code which scans the buffer does not check for 3270 orders, and may simply overlay them. Aparable? Since the description reads, "The entire string specified by BUFFER is searched, using the character @," I suppose this depends on how you want to inte

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-28 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Martin Kline > > My test showed system symbols were replaced by removing or adding > characters as necessary. (Because I can't remember exactly how to get > ampersands to diplay correctly on the list server and I'm too

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-27 Thread Scott Rowe
IIRC, system symbol values CAN NOT be longer than the name of the symbol (including the ampersand). >>> Martin Kline 7/27/2009 2:58 PM >>> My test showed system symbols were replaced by removing or adding characters as necessary. (Because I can't remember exactly how to get ampersands to dipla

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-27 Thread Martin Kline
My test showed system symbols were replaced by removing or adding characters as necessary. (Because I can't remember exactly how to get ampersands to diplay correctly on the list server and I'm too lazy to look it up, my examples will use pound signs, '#', instead). For example '---#SYSNAME--

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-27 Thread Ron Wells
thanks Chris will do some testing ... let ya know what I find out.. From: Chris Mason To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 07/27/2009 11:29 AM Subject: Re: USSTAB Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Ron The summary: VTAM USS does *not* support MVS system symbols The TN3270 server

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-27 Thread Chris Mason
0500, Ron Wells wrote: >from what I gather some synbols not support---vtam vs tcpip.. >is there or has some tested which apply..? >at this point only interested in tcpip/tn3270 and have the smfid of the >system being displayed.. > > > >From: >Martin Kline >To: >IBM

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-27 Thread Ron Wells
from what I gather some synbols not support---vtam vs tcpip.. is there or has some tested which apply..? at this point only interested in tcpip/tn3270 and have the smfid of the system being displayed.. From: Martin Kline To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 07/24/2009 07:58 AM Subject: Re: USSTAB

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-24 Thread Chris Mason
t of USS macros and they some from a VTAM >>distribution library, SISTMAC1. >> >>> The IP reference, however, also indicates that you can use system >>>symbols, whereas the SNA reference does not. >>... > >It's important to remember that even though the

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-24 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
the SNA reference does not. >... It's important to remember that even though the same USStab load module can the used by both VTAM and the Tn3270 server, different code processes the table. VTAM development could have have put support in the macros for functions supported only by the Tn3270

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-24 Thread Chris Mason
Juergen As I said in my last reply to Marin, it's garbled. The manual authors have let themselves and us all down yet again! The relevant description would be better written as the following LUNAME|SCAN Specifies that the entire string specified by BUFFER is searched using the characters @

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-24 Thread Martin Kline
Chris said: >This question of which version of the USS table also occurred to me after my >last post. I would assume the one used by the Communications Server IP >component TN3270 server program in both Ron's case and Juergen's. >However, when Communications Server development change the USS tab

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-24 Thread Martin Kline
Juergen asked: >I've looked through the IP-Reference (1.8 - SC31-8776-10) and did not find >any entry that you can use system symbols in USSMSG. There are some >varables starting with @ but no system-symbols. Is it a function in 1.9 or >1.10? I am using the 1.9 manual. SC31-8776-13 Section 2.10

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-24 Thread Chris Mason
Martin Note that there is only one set of USS macros and they some from a VTAM distribution library, SISTMAC1. > The IP reference, however, also indicates that you can use system symbols, whereas the SNA reference does not. Interesting! >From the explanation of the SCAN (alternately and origi

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-24 Thread Lutz Hamann
Thank you for underlining this, Martin ! That exactly was the reason asking Ron about VTAM- or TN3270-USSTAB usage. ciao Lutz -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-24 Thread Juergen Keller
Martin, I've looked through the IP-Reference (1.8 - SC31-8776-10) and did not find any entry that you can use system symbols in USSMSG. There are some varables starting with @ but no system-symbols. Is it a function in 1.9 or 1.10? Juergen ---

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-24 Thread Martin Kline
ease of z/OS. The availability of system symbols in USSTAB processing appears to have changed between z/OS 1.7 and z/OS 1.9. The manuals I used above are both for z/OS 1.9. The 1.7 versions do not refer to using system symbols in the USSTAB. Both versions, however, allow the use of certain s

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-24 Thread Chris Mason
USS table processing, I am sure they will be sure to cover both the VTAM use and the TN3270 server use. Chris Mason On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 05:52:34 -0500, Lutz Hamann wrote: >Ron, > >may I ask what USSTAB you mean ? A 'native' USSTAB used by VTAM for >NON-SNA or SNA-major no

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-24 Thread Martin Kline
VTAM and TCPIP handle the screens differently if the manuals can be trusted. The two manuals are SC31-8776 z/OS Communications Server IP Configuration Reference, and z/OS Communications Server SNA Resource Definition Reference. Both manuals describe the USSMSG macro. Both specify that if you w

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-24 Thread Lutz Hamann
Ron, may I ask what USSTAB you mean ? A 'native' USSTAB used by VTAM for NON-SNA or SNA-major nodes or an USSTAB offered TN3270E-emulations by the TN3270-Server (by using a STEPLIB) ? ciao Lutz

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-24 Thread Chris Mason
Juergen Since what you want needs support from the VTAM logic which supports the loading, manipulation and presentation of the USS messages, only the documented "inserts", such as @@LUNAME, are available. These are the items found in Table 91, "Valid character strings for message definition" in

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-23 Thread Juergen Keller
I also wanted to have the systemid on screen when getting the Vtam-good- morning-message. The supplied variables do not give a chance to do that like LUNAME etc. So I had to code a separate table for each system. You can tell assembler to use some variables but once it is coded it will be used. V

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-23 Thread Chris Mason
Ron This is not a matter for VTAM since an USSTAB is created from the assembler (and linkage editor - or whatever it's called these days). The VTAM support is described in Network Implementation Guide - Chapter 3 Implementing a VTAM network - Using MVS system symbols. It does *not* in

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-23 Thread Ron Wells
not a guro on asmblr... trying to figure out where this is to go and coding it from older copy I have.. From: Martin Kline To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 07/23/2009 03:16 PM Subject: Re: USSTAB Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List >Anyone have a copy/example of using &sysparm

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-23 Thread Martin Kline
That should specify two ampersands and the character string 'SYSPARM' without my quotes and without spaces. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: G

Re: USSTAB

2009-07-23 Thread Martin Kline
>Anyone have a copy/example of using &sysparm in the USSTAB for VTAM >logon screen,, to place system-id on screen. I know there is something once >on the cbt tape but I do not have access to it.. No sample, but code "BUFFER=(addr,SCAN)" on the USSMSG macro, and code wit

USSTAB

2009-07-23 Thread Ron Wells
Anyone have a copy/example of using &sysparm in the USSTAB for VTAM logon screen,, to place system-id on screen. I know there is something once on the cbt tape but I do not have access to it.. -- Email Disclaimer This E-

Re: VTAM USSTAB QUESTION

2009-02-10 Thread Chris Mason
LOGON APPLID(TMONMVS) which is what VTAM >> actually uses to log you on. For further information, check the SNA >> resource definition reference manual. There is a section on USSTAB >that >> (kinda) explains the parameters. :-) > &

Re: VTAM USSTAB QUESTION

2009-02-10 Thread Chase, John
urther information, check the SNA > resource definition reference manual. There is a section on USSTAB that > (kinda) explains the parameters. :-) And if you *really* want to know what's going on, read the SNA Programming Re

The Perils of Misusing Initials (is VTAM USSTAB QUESTION)

2009-02-10 Thread Chris Mason
Need I say more? On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:48:11 -0500, Howard Rifkind wrote: >I have the following entry in my USSTAB: P39TMMVS USSCMD CMD=P39TMMVS,REP=LOGON,FORMAT=BAL USSPARM PARM=APPLID,DEFAULT=TMONMVS When I key in P39TMMVS we are really getting TMONMVS as the executa

Re: VTAM USSTAB QUESTION

2009-02-09 Thread Chris Mason
t; >Lizette > > > >> >>I have the following entry in my USSTAB: >> >>P39TMMVS USSCMD CMD=P39TMMVS,REP=LOGON,FORMAT=BAL >> USSPARM PARM=APPLID,DEFAULT=TMONMVS >> >>When I key in P39TMMVS we are really getting TMONMVS as the executable. >>

Re: VTAM USSTAB QUESTION

2009-02-09 Thread Chris Mason
s*, especially message 10 - and message 5 if you are not using TN3270E. Post again if you are in this situation and message 5 does not immediately look promising. [1] In the bad old days there would be an LU statement defined for each possible workstation. Canny implementation today -

Re: VTAM USSTAB QUESTION

2009-02-09 Thread Lizette Koehler
=APPLID,REP=APPLID,DEFAULT=TMONMVS Our USSPARM has a REP=APPLID but I do not see one in yours. Lizette > >I have the following entry in my USSTAB: > >P39TMMVS USSCMD CMD=P39TMMVS,REP=LOGON,FORMAT=BAL > USSPARM PARM=APPLID,DEFAULT=TMONMVS > >When I k

Re: VTAM USSTAB QUESTION

2009-02-09 Thread Jim Wangler
LOGON APPLID(TMONMVS) Jim Wangler 214-502-6445 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:48 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: VTAM USSTAB QUESTION I have the following entry in

Re: VTAM USSTAB QUESTION

2009-02-09 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
>From what I remember from long ago is that the USSCMD replaces your keyed-in P39TMMVF with a LOGON APPLID(TMONMVS) which is what VTAM actually uses to log you on. For further information, check the SNA resource definition reference manual. There is a section on USSTAB that (kinda) explains

VTAM USSTAB QUESTION

2009-02-09 Thread Howard Rifkind
I have the following entry in my USSTAB: P39TMMVS USSCMD CMD=P39TMMVS,REP=LOGON,FORMAT=BAL USSPARM PARM=APPLID,DEFAULT=TMONMVS When I key in P39TMMVS we are really getting TMONMVS as the executable. What I don't understand is what path is followed to execute TMONMVS? Any

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-06-05 Thread Chris Mason
Pat "USS functions" can be described in the following terms: - Inbound: the analysis and conversion of text into a formatted request - Outbound: the selection of messages explaining where the analysis failed or substitution of the response to the formatted request with text[but see 1] In the c

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-06-04 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 00:23:30 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... >>The other kind of Tn3270 server - like z/CS's - has APPL LUs and VTAM >>does not do USS processing there. The server, rather than VTAM, is >>acting as the SSCP for the clients. > >No; the SSCP does

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-06-03 Thread Chris Mason
John >> Doesn't the LU-SSCP session use SCS rather than 3270 buffer orders? When the environment is pure SNA - Oh happy days - the text on the SSCP- LU session was required to be the SNA Character String (SCS). This was so even when the device normally supported the 3270 data stream. However, t

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-06-03 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) > > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 05/20/2008 >at 02:30 PM, "Patrick O'Keefe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > >I could be wrong. I haven't looked into it for a LONG time, but USS > >messages a

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-06-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 05/20/2008 at 02:30 PM, "Patrick O'Keefe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I could be wrong. I haven't looked into it for a LONG time, but USS >messages are sent on the (real or emulated) SSCP-LU before any BIND has >been processed. Doesn't the LU-SSCP session use SCS

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-06-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 05/23/2008 at 05:57 PM, "Patrick O'Keefe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >The other kind of Tn3270 server - like z/CS's - has APPL LUs and VTAM >does not do USS processing there. The server, rather than VTAM, is >acting as the SSCP for the clients. No; the SSCP does

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-24 Thread Chris Mason
me to ignore mixed case in input, which USSTAB doesn't support (unless very permutation is defined). With suitable coding, it permits single signon for multiple applications, brief news messages on the logon screen, etc. And a very nice starter version was available on the CBT tape. - I do

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-24 Thread Chris Mason
Pat >>> Pat: LUname is almost one of them. The key for substitution is "@@LUNAME". Too bad they insert the ACB name instead. >> Chris: What's the problem with the "ACB name"? > Pat: I got that same response at SHARE when I complained to a couple of the TCP/IP designers at SHARE once. I

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-24 Thread Chris Mason
Pat There are a few misunderstandings to clear up here - and some more explanations. For complicated reasons[1] I operate from the archives rather than e-mails. In order to try to reduce ambiguities I'm going to have to be more adventurous over quoting the text upon which I am commenting. - >

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-23 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Fri, 23 May 2008 08:35:41 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... >I haven't been involved in this since retirement, but can't help >wondering why this near universal interest in USS. When VTAM >first appeared in my installations, we used a network solicitor. >... The first

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-23 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Fri, 23 May 2008 06:26:51 -0500, Chris Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... >You can have variable substitution in ***all*** USS messages, not just USS >message 10 and USS message 7. ... >... Chris, I understand the value of the messages and substitutions in them, but I still don't think th

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-23 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
g why this near universal interest in USS. When VTAM first appeared in my installations, we used a network solicitor. It goes through a normal BIND process, so a query was available, it allowed me to ignore mixed case in input, which USSTAB doesn't support (unless very permutation is defi

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-23 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Patrick O'Keefe > > On Thu, 22 May 2008 06:31:49 -0500, Chris Mason wrote: > > >... > >You may be sure that VTAM - let alone the TN3270E server - > will not be > >interested in managing "Read Partition Query" exchan

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-23 Thread Chris Mason
Pat You can have variable substitution in ***all*** USS messages, not just USS message 10 and USS message 7. It's the substitution of variables in USS message 5 which is at the heart of my help desk scenario which, since there's so much misunderstanding here I'd better cover in more detail: 1.

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-22 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Thu, 22 May 2008 06:31:49 -0500, Chris Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... >You may be sure that VTAM - let alone the TN3270E server - will not be >interested in managing "Read Partition Query" exchanges on the SSCP-LU >session - either the real one or the emulated one. >... And even if it

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-22 Thread Edward Jaffe
Patrick O'Keefe wrote: My only thought there is that if you DID run into such a benighted device or emulator you would likely be unable to use it if it locked up because of the extended datastream. We no longer allow 1970s-technology to connect to our system. If it doesn't work, too bad. T

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-22 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Thu, 22 May 2008 08:18:44 -0700, Edward Jaffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... >> I think that doesn't change anything you said, but I also think >> that you're outside of any standards if you use extended data >> streams for USS data ... >> > >True. And, in 1988 I would worry about that a lot

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-22 Thread William H. Blair
Chris Mason wrote: > ... the enhancements to the 3270 data stream which came in > with the 3279 - back in 1979 wasn't it? - The 3279 color display station models 2 and 3 and the 3287 color printer were announced on October 2, 1979. The GDDM programming support for PS graphics would not be avai

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-22 Thread Edward Jaffe
Patrick O'Keefe wrote: True, but at the time USS messages and commands are processed there IS no PLU; all this is taking place on the SSCP-LU session. (Ok. You could be sending a LOGOFF cmd on the SSCP-LU session to break an existing LU-LU session, but no message is involved.) I'm pretty su

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-22 Thread Chris Mason
Pat Edward's response was a bit ambiguous in his emphasis on the PLU. If you ignore the first paragraph he is simply confirming your "everything (probably) works". The PLU is irrelevant. You may be sure that VTAM - let alone the TN3270E server - will not be interested in managing "Read Partiti

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-22 Thread Chris Mason
Pat Implicit in what you are postulating here is that the logic behind the real or emulated 3270 half-session actually cares whether or not there has been some prior agreement that the presence of the extended data stream capability is understood by both parties. I believe this is *not* the cas

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-21 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Tue, 20 May 2008 12:40:24 -0700, Edward Jaffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... >Modern (emulated) 3270 devices generally tell the PLU that they can >handle extended color orders via the response to Read-Partition Query. >That tells the PLU such orders will not be rejected by the SLU. > >I do n

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-21 Thread yingyan
Hi all, Thanks for all your help.I will try what your said. Tom, if the macros are free,I'd like to try them. Thanks again. BS YY> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:37:40 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: USSTAB color question> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU> >

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-20 Thread Chris Mason
Edward Assuming you specify your USS message using the BUFFER operand, VTAM's USS logic and the TN3270E server logic will scan the message looking for text such as @@LUNAME in order to be able to insert, in this case, the secondary LU name - in the case of the TN3270E server, the selected APPL

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-20 Thread Edward Jaffe
Patrick O'Keefe wrote: That being said, I have no idea what happens if the USS data is an extended datastream. VTAM and Tn3270 servers probably send it. If the receiver processes it without first being told it should, then everything probably works. Modern (emulated) 3270 devices generally

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-20 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Tue, 20 May 2008 09:44:20 -0700, Edward Jaffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... >You're saying that VTAM and/or TCP/IP actually scan through your USS >message looking for specific orders? That's hard to believe. To what end? >... I could be wrong. I haven't looked into it for a LONG time, but

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-20 Thread Edward Jaffe
Patrick O'Keefe wrote: I haven't looked into this for a long time, but I don't think VTAM and TCP/IP USS processing support extended attributes. The best you can do figure out which 4 colors you emulators use to map the basic attribute combinations (normal/intense, protect/unprotect) and set

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-20 Thread Tom Sipusic
them to you. Laying out the USSTAB screen using colors is easy with a set of 5 macros, which I will call the TCPHEAD package, that my shop has. I am not sure where they came from, but I suspect McGill University because the TCPHEAD macro itself says: WRITTEN BY: JOSETTE

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-20 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 20 May 2008 10:09:54 -0500, Chris Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >To all the denizens of the list who are now thoroughly confused over what this >thread might have to do with what they understand as "USS", we actually >happen to be talking here about the real and original "USS", namely V

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-20 Thread Chris Mason
To all the denizens of the list who are now thoroughly confused over what this thread might have to do with what they understand as "USS", we actually happen to be talking here about the real and original "USS", namely VTAM's Unformatted System Services which has been around since the mid-sevent

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-19 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Mon, 19 May 2008 17:58:38 -0500, Yan Ying <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... >I want to change the logon panel 's color.I cannot find >how to control the color of the TEXT in USSTAB.Anybody >know where IBM explain how to control that?Thanks a lot. >... I haven't looked into this for a long t

Re: USSTAB color question

2008-05-19 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Yan Ying > > Hi all, > I want to change the logon panel 's color.I cannot find > how to control the color of the TEXT in USSTAB.Anybody know > where IBM explain how to control that?Thanks a lot. The manual _3270

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