Re: thought: z/OS structured logging

2014-12-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In caajsdjhqt77sx8xckcezrekvfbmgfo1vouxyd7w7zmn_prh...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/04/2014 at 08:06 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: But I've been thinking about the z/OS syslog for some reason lately. Given what it was originally designed for, review by a human, it is a decent

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-05 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Peter Ten Eyck wrote: What things are built in a Sysplex by the first LPAR brought up in the Sysplex that would impact subsequent LPARs brought up in the Sysplex? Some possible examples... WLM, GRS, SMS etc. They don't care much about sequence, but see J.O.Skip Robinson reply. As per that

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-05 Thread Martin Packer
If you want to automate detecting how and when this happens - across your estate - the following blog post of mine (from May) might be of interest: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/blogs/MartinPacker/entry/once_upon_a_restart?lang=en Then again, it might not. :-) Cheers, Martin

Re: Changing Job Output class in ST screen in SDSF

2014-12-05 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Nims,Alva John (Al) wrote: Maybe the idea would be to modify ISFPRMxx to move OCLASS from an alternate to a primary for ST display? Good idea. I will try that on my sandbox. Greg Shirey wrote: I don't know what delayed means in this context but it does seem to indicate that access to

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-05 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Martin Packer wrote: If you want to automate detecting how and when this happens - across your estate - the following blog post of mine (from May) might be of interest: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/blogs/MartinPacker/entry/once_upon_a_restart?lang=en Great Martin! That was a

Re: PARMDD -- any one use yet?

2014-12-05 Thread Peter Relson
Might one conclude that the substitution works just fine, but that the application to which you are sending the data can't handle longer data? It is the user's responsibility to provide to the application only what it can handle. The system will not prevent it (except for authorized cases

Re: thought: z/OS structured logging

2014-12-05 Thread John McKown
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: ​snip​ And I will admit that my mind has been corrupted by using Linux too much lately. Isn't the Linux equivalent to, e.g., SMF, harder to parse? ​Hum, I was thinking more of the UNIX syslog daemon

Re: thought: z/OS structured logging

2014-12-05 Thread Art Celestini
vendor pitch You might want to take a look at IronStream from Syncsort: (http://www.syncsort.com/en/Solutions/Mainframe-Solutions/Ironstream It captures SYSLOG/OPERLOG messages in real time and sends them to a Splunk server (http://www.splunk.com/) where you can search and report based on

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-05 Thread Peter Ten Eyck
Thanks for the feedback. That Redbook I mentioned was able to answer most of my questions. We will be enforcing an IPL order for our Sysplex, in particular the first LPAR that is brought up. This will be done to ensure the structures built in the coupling facility will always be built by a

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-05 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM
I stored the link to the book, but did not have time to read it yet. Can you explain in short what is so important to have a particular LPAR brought up as first (except having to reply I to initialize the Sysplex) and what is the importance of structures being built by that LPAR? Kees.

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-05 Thread Jousma, David
I guess I am missing something. Unless the CF's are being recycled, there are no structures to be (re)built. And even so, all lpars should be using the same policy, not even sure NOT using the same policy is an option. From a pure technical perspective, order should not matter, assuming you

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-05 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM
Well, there are structures with a disposition of delete, which will be recreated by the first connect to them. But indeed, there should be no reason why one lpar can better create them than another. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: thought: z/OS structured logging

2014-12-05 Thread John McKown
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Art Celestini ibmm...@celestini.com wrote: vendor pitch You might want to take a look at IronStream from Syncsort: (http://www.syncsort.com/en/Solutions/Mainframe-Solutions/Ironstream It captures SYSLOG/OPERLOG messages in real time and sends them to a Splunk

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-05 Thread Peter Ten Eyck
Yes… my understanding from the documentation is that the CF structures once built will remain intact for the duration of CF LPAR run. Not sure about the “disposition of delete” comment… I would have look into that. These LPARs are not in a Parallel Sysplex. We have an existing Sysplex with two

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-05 Thread Jousma, David
Now, I am more confused. You say; These LPARs are not in a Parallel Sysplex. And then go on to say: The concern is/was that if the new LPAR came up first… say on POR, that something in the CF could be built differently and cause problems. If you are not in parallel sysplex in your shop,

Re: PARMDD -- any one use yet?

2014-12-05 Thread Steve Thompson
On 12/05/2014 07:23 AM, Peter Relson wrote: Might one conclude that the substitution works just fine, but that the application to which you are sending the data can't handle longer data? It is the user's responsibility to provide to the application only what it can handle. The system will not

Re: thought: z/OS structured logging

2014-12-05 Thread Staller, Allan
snip I really like some of the new centralized logging systems like http://logstash.net/. It can handle loads of different sources and sinks and when you throw in the full power of elasticsearch searching for interesting data is an order of magnitude more powerful then what we currently have on

Re: thought: z/OS structured logging

2014-12-05 Thread David Crayford
On 5/12/2014 11:23 PM, Staller, Allan wrote: snip I really like some of the new centralized logging systems like http://logstash.net/. It can handle loads of different sources and sinks and when you throw in the full power of elasticsearch searching for interesting data is an order of

Re: thought: z/OS structured logging

2014-12-05 Thread Staller, Allan
By the way, ISTR the HP product was OPEN-VIEW. There were others players besides CA and HP in the space as well. All of the products were predicated on a single log of events (not processed on z hardware), and were doing more than just logging/storing messages. As the number of messages

EXAMPLE OF BACKUPING UP A VOLUME USING DEVICE ADDRESS

2014-12-05 Thread esmie moo
Gentle Readers, Is it possible to perform a volume backup using the device address instead of the VOLSER? If so, could you provide me an example? Many thanks. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,

Re: thought: z/OS structured logging

2014-12-05 Thread John Gilmore
David Crayford wrote: begin extract I know it's heresy on this list, but in the distributed world they would just add another server and/or add more grunt to the network. /end extract The granularity of mainframes is of course greater, but additional storage and CPEs are available. This

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-05 Thread Peter Ten Eyck
Sorry for the confusion... these LPARs are in a Parallel Sysplex (using CF), but not utilizing many of the Parallel Sysplex features. Reading through the documentation... I guess it might fall under the description of BronzePlex.

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-05 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Peter Ten Eyck Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 10:10 AM Sorry for the confusion... these LPARs are in a Parallel Sysplex (using CF), but not utilizing many of the Parallel Sysplex features. Reading through the

Re: Page Data Set Sizes and Volume Types

2014-12-05 Thread Dana Mitchell
On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 21:17:29 -0800, Tom Brennan t...@tombrennansoftware.com wrote: snip Reminds me of a story my dad told me about an electronics company in the 70's. He said they only made 200V diodes but also marked them as 100V, 50V, 20V, and 10V - each less expensive as the voltage dropped.

Re: EXAMPLE OF BACKUPING UP A VOLUME USING DEVICE ADDRESS

2014-12-05 Thread Lizette Koehler
What are you trying to do? If you could describe your requirements it would be helpful Lizette -Original Message- From: esmie moo esmie_...@yahoo.ca Sent: Dec 5, 2014 9:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: EXAMPLE OF BACKUPING UP A VOLUME USING DEVICE ADDRESS Gentle Readers,

Re: PARMDD -- any one use yet?

2014-12-05 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:08:30 -0500, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: A suggestion then: Specify a SYMBOLS logging DD, as I did in my example. It *should* tell you what substitutions were actually made. I believe I've read of such; I don't readily find it in the JCL Reference. Paul Gilmartin had a

Re: thought: z/OS structured logging

2014-12-05 Thread David Crayford
On 6/12/2014 12:08 AM, John Gilmore wrote: David Crayford wrote: begin extract I know it's heresy on this list, but in the distributed world they would just add another server and/or add more grunt to the network. /end extract The granularity of mainframes is of course greater, but additional

Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-05 Thread Andrew Metcalfe
Folks I am finally getting around to modifying our IEFUSI exit to do something sensible with MEMLIMIT as more tasks exploit 64-bit storage. This exit has lain untouched for many many years, although it still functions correctly for the things it is supposed to do with region size. However,

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-05 Thread Lizette Koehler
Just a thought. Is there a sample of this exit in your sys1.sample dataset? It might have more current info. Lizette -Original Message- From: Andrew Metcalfe andrew.metca...@barclays.com Sent: Dec 5, 2014 9:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Ancient IEFUSI Folks I am

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-05 Thread Rob Scott
Andrew Normally IEFUSI is used to control or audit region related constraints rather that execution time. I would consider taking the logic used to determine when the existing IEFUSI changes SCTXSTL and put it into IEFUTL, which is logically the right place. You can also drop the calls to

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-05 Thread Andrew Metcalfe
Rob Setting the SCTX step time in IEFUSI has been used here historically to *prevent* IEFUTL being taken for certain categories of job/stc. I am trying to avoid my MEMLIMIT changes driving changes to the other SMF exits!! Thanks Andrew This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and

Setting up a sysplex and OMVS/zFS

2014-12-05 Thread Frank Chu
Hello, I am trying to set up sysplex based on the zPDT starter system between zOS 2.1 and zOS 1.13. Everything generally works except when attempting to mount various OMVS/zFS datasets on the second system I bring up. Both systems have their own volumes containing their own OMVS/zFS system,

Re: Setting up a sysplex and OMVS/zFS

2014-12-05 Thread Lizette Koehler
Are both z/OS 2.1 and 1.13 running as guests under z/VM? Lizette -Original Message- From: Frank Chu fr...@colesoft.com Sent: Dec 5, 2014 10:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Setting up a sysplex and OMVS/zFS Hello, I am trying to set up sysplex based on the zPDT starter

Re: Setting up a sysplex and OMVS/zFS

2014-12-05 Thread Frank Chu
Yep. zVM 6.2 Frank On 12/5/2014 12:29 PM, Lizette Koehler wrote: Are both z/OS 2.1 and 1.13 running as guests under z/VM? Lizette -Original Message- From: Frank Chu fr...@colesoft.com Sent: Dec 5, 2014 10:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Setting up a sysplex and

Re: EXAMPLE OF BACKUPING UP A VOLUME USING DEVICE ADDRESS

2014-12-05 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-12-05 o 17:06, esmie moo pisze: Gentle Readers, Is it possible to perform a volume backup using the device address instead of the VOLSER? If so, could you provide me an example? Yes. The example depends on the tool you want to use. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland --

Re: Setting up a sysplex and OMVS/zFS

2014-12-05 Thread John McKown
You might want to post the contents of your BPXPRMnn members being activated at IPL from each system. Just from looking at the error messages, I would guess that you are running with a SYSPLEX(YES) in the BPXPRMnn member of PARMLIB. This would mean a three part UNIX root. The sysplex root, the

Re: Setting up a sysplex and OMVS/zFS

2014-12-05 Thread Frank Chu
Hi John, There's 3 entries that uses a hard coded mount point, everything else including the system root and version root are mounted using symbolics. BPXPRM for zOS 1.13: MAXASSIZE(1073741824) MAXPROCSYS(200) MAXPROCUSER(100) MAXUIDS(200) MAXFILEPROC(400) MAXPTYS(256)

Re: Check out The Imitation Game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2014-12-05 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 10:34:26PM +0100, R.S. wrote: W dniu 2014-12-02 o 22:08, Ed Finnell pisze: _The Imitation Game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Imitation_Game) Something for the holidays...

Re: Setting up a sysplex and OMVS/zFS

2014-12-05 Thread John McKown
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Frank Chu fr...@colesoft.com wrote: Hi John, There's 3 entries that uses a hard coded mount point, everything else including the system root and version root are mounted using symbolics. ​Well, I was totally off-base. Those members look right to me. Like

Re: Check out The Imitation Game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2014-12-05 Thread John Gilmore
Marian [Adam] Rejewski is of particular interest. He was the first to break Enigma encodings. His work and that of his colleagues was made available to the British in early 1940 and was known to Alan Turing. His paper, published in Applicationes mathematicæ [Warsaw], volume 16 (1980), is still

Re: LPAR IPL order within a Sysplex

2014-12-05 Thread Mark Brooks
Hi, Other than the issue of wanting the last system that goes down to be the first system IPLed into the sysplex (so as to avoid the operator I,J,R prompt), I'm not aware of any technical reason that would require a particular IPL order. In particular, I don't understand why there would

Re: Setting up a sysplex and OMVS/zFS

2014-12-05 Thread Doug Henry
Hi Frank, Using tso bpxmtext EF1869CD Description: Error with issuing a LOCATE call on an HFS-compat aggregate. Action: Verify that the dataset is properly cataloged and that the catalog is available

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-05 Thread J O Skip Robinson
Responding to the original post...I think that setting time limit(s) in IEFUSI is highly unorthodox. Having to depend on an undocumented--essentially coincidental--pointer to the LCT is begging for trouble. Two possible solutions. 1. Find a documented, independent way to reach the LCT. I poked

Re: Setting up a sysplex and OMVS/zFS

2014-12-05 Thread Frank Chu
Hi Doug, Ok, so I need to make the z2.1 dasd volumes that contains the datasets to be mounted available to the zOS 1.13 system. How would I catalog the z2.1 datasets in zOS1.13? I haven't found a way to catalog those zFS datasets. Any ideas? Frank On 12/5/2014 2:33 PM, Doug Henry

Re: Check out The Imitation Game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2014-12-05 Thread Tony Harminc
On 5 December 2014 at 13:36, Tomasz Rola rto...@ceti.com.pl wrote: [...] From what I've gathered so far, up to early 1970-ties the popular knowledge was that Enigma was unbreakable, and at the same time some derivative of it had been sold to third world countries (I don't remember who sold

Re: Setting up a sysplex and OMVS/zFS

2014-12-05 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Frank Chu Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 2:10 PM Hi Doug, Ok, so I need to make the z2.1 dasd volumes that contains the datasets to be mounted available to the zOS 1.13 system. How would I catalog the z2.1

Re: Setting up a sysplex and OMVS/zFS

2014-12-05 Thread John McKown
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Frank Chu fr...@colesoft.com wrote: Hi Doug, Ok, so I need to make the z2.1 dasd volumes that contains the datasets to be mounted available to the zOS 1.13 system. How would I catalog the z2.1 datasets in zOS1.13? I haven't found a way to catalog those zFS

Re: Setting up a sysplex and OMVS/zFS

2014-12-05 Thread Doug Henry
Hi Frank, I am aware of 3 ways to solve this problem. (1) - Ignore the error because these zfs's don't have anything to do with V1R13 (2) - Rename them to have an HLQ on SYS1 and then use IDCAMS DEFINE RECATLOG in the V1R13 catalog (3) - We use an EOM product that allows us to update the

Re: Setting up a sysplex and OMVS/zFS

2014-12-05 Thread Frank Chu
It looks like most of the datasets the system is complaining about are in their own user catalogs. I should be able to connect the user catalog to the master catalog on the zOS 1.13 side and be ok. Tho there is one that is cataloged in the z2.1's master catalog. I may have to just ignore

Re: Check out The Imitation Game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2014-12-05 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 02:23:41PM -0500, John Gilmore wrote: Marian [Adam] Rejewski is of particular interest. He was the first to break Enigma encodings. His work and that of his colleagues was made available to the British in early 1940 and was known to Alan Turing. His paper, published

Re: Check out The Imitation Game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2014-12-05 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 03:17:32PM -0500, Tony Harminc wrote: On 5 December 2014 at 13:36, Tomasz Rola rto...@ceti.com.pl wrote: [...] From what I've gathered so far, up to early 1970-ties the popular knowledge was that Enigma was unbreakable, and at the same time some derivative of it had

Re: Check out The Imitation Game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2014-12-05 Thread John Gilmore
Yes. The complete citation, which I ought to have provided in my first post, is Marian Rejewski, An Application of the Theory of Permutations in Breaking the Enigma Cipher, Applicationes Mathematicae, 16 (4), 1980, pp. 543–559. I find that I have a PDF version of it that I did not myself make,

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-05 Thread Jim Mulder
I am finally getting around to modifying our IEFUSI exit to do something sensible with MEMLIMIT as more tasks exploit 64-bit storage. This exit has lain untouched for many many years, although it still functions correctly for the things it is supposed to do with region size. However,

z/OS MD5 file hashing

2014-12-05 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Does anyone know of a program/subroutine that can read any kind of MVS sequential dataset and calculate an MD5 hash on it?  By any kind I am specifically meaning a file that is either FB or VB and can have any LRECL. We have created a program in COBOL to do this, with the problem that we have to

Re: Ancient IEFUSI

2014-12-05 Thread Tony Harminc
On 5 December 2014 at 16:34, Jim Mulder d10j...@us.ibm.com wrote: I remember what happened in 1991 in SP4.2.0 when a code change and recompile of IEFSMFIE resulted in R10 no longer containing the address of the LCT when IEFUSE was invoked. [...] SO, the module was changed to set Reg 10 to the

Re: z/OS MD5 file hashing

2014-12-05 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
002782105f5c-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Frank Swarbrick) writes: Does anyone know of a program/subroutine that can read any kind of MVS sequential dataset and calculate an MD5 hash on it?  By any kind I am specifically meaning a file that is either FB or VB and can have any LRECL.

Re: z/OS MD5 file hashing

2014-12-05 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2014-12-05 15:15, Frank Swarbrick wrote: Does anyone know of a program/subroutine that can read any kind of MVS sequential dataset and calculate an MD5 hash on it? By any kind I am specifically meaning a file that is either FB or VB and can have any LRECL. We have created a program in

Re: z/OS MD5 file hashing

2014-12-05 Thread David Crayford
On 6/12/2014 6:15 AM, Frank Swarbrick wrote: Does anyone know of a program/subroutine that can read any kind of MVS sequential dataset and calculate an MD5 hash on it? By any kind I am specifically meaning a file that is either FB or VB and can have any LRECL. We have created a program in