Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

2020-06-30 Thread Tom Brennan
I tried "Let's Encrypt" https://letsencrypt.org/ once for some web site names I have on a Linux server under my desk. I can't remember why I didn't like it, but I ended up making my own CA cert to sign my https certificates, and then got the few people using the sites to import my CA into

Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

2020-06-30 Thread kekronbekron
I believe that's the idea. Now with zERT being available, more encrypted workload types will get surfaced; will probably lead to adding more application/transport types being added under AT-TLS's capability. Just speculation anyway.. What'll be interesting is if AT-TLS evolves to support mTLS

Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

2020-06-30 Thread Tom Brennan
Thanks KB... I think I got my basic question answered, which is that one thing AT-TLS was designed for is to encrypt data for TCP/IP programs that weren't originally written with encryption. In addition, it sounds like even programs that can do their own encryption (i.e. TN3270) can also use

Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

2020-06-30 Thread kekronbekron
Tom, check this out - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKEzX70moOQ I also got 200 hits for 'AT-TLS' after logging in to share.org; you might want to do the same to see which of those are the most useful to you. - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:27 PM, Tom

Mid-2021 Withdrawal of IBM z14 & LinuxONE Emperor II Features

2020-06-30 Thread Timothy Sipples
IBM announced that certain IBM z14 (Machine Type 3906) and IBM LinuxONE Emperor II features will no longer be available effective June 30, 2021: https://www.ibm.com/downloads/cas/US-ENUS920-113-CA/name/US-ENUS920-113-CA.PDF Note that's 2021, i.e. next year as I write this. This future

IBM z/OS Statement of Direction re: Containers

2020-06-30 Thread Timothy Sipples
I draw your attention to this Statement of Direction that IBM published on June 23, 2020: https://www.ibm.com/downloads/cas/US-ENUS220-033-CA/name/US-ENUS220-033-CA.PDF Please also refer to IBM Announcement Letter 219-233 (mostly already fulfilled). - - - - - - - - - - Timothy Sipples I.T.

Re: SMS Data Class attribute Extended

2020-06-30 Thread Seymour J Metz
> IEC143I 213-B8 - An OPEN was attempted against an extended-format data set > with a DCB that specified EXCP. EXCP is not supported for extended-format > data sets. That message text is in error. EXCP is supported, but you must have an appropriate DCBE. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

2020-06-30 Thread Allan Staller
AT-TLS Operates at the transport layer of the OSI model. SFTP (open SSH,...) operates at the session layer of the OSI model. BTW, TLS has been supported "forever" by FTP, etc. The problem is, with TLS, the application needs to be modified to make TLS calls in the session layer. With AT-TLS,

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

2020-06-30 Thread Tom Brennan
Thanks Allan. In TCP/IP programs I've written in C (both mainframe and non-mainframe), I've used connect(), send(), recv() and similar C functions for clear-text communication. So I think that would be called the "logical layer". And I'm assuming the "physical layer" would be at the point

Re: Question

2020-06-30 Thread Brian France
Our initial login is two factor to NCPASS, then to TPX. All of our TN3270 connections use PAGENT. On 6/30/2020 5:09 PM, Steve Beaver wrote: Is anyone using CA-TPX, CL/SuperSession, Etc and enabled PAGENT? -- For IBM-MAIN

Question

2020-06-30 Thread Steve Beaver
Is anyone using CA-TPX, CL/SuperSession, Etc and enabled PAGENT? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

2020-06-30 Thread Allan Staller
Hopefully this will provide the clarity needed. AT-TLS works at the physical layer. FTPS and SFTP work at the logical layer Although not mutually exclusive, If you are doing one, the other is unnecessary. Start the flame wars! Shields up. Condition Red! AT-TLS vs. SFTP! -Original

Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

2020-06-30 Thread Allan Staller
AT-TLS is required for TN3270 (and others The above is incorrect. AT-TLS is *NEVER* a requirement. It is up to the installation to determine whether or not AT-TLS will be used. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jackson, Rob Sent: Tuesday, June 30,

Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

2020-06-30 Thread Steve Beaver
AT-TLS has been around for a while. What is causing problems for tools like CL/Supersession, CA-TPX And such is PAGENT. Once PAGENT is turned on all bets are off -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Brennan Sent:

Re: z/OS use of "legacy" programming languages

2020-06-30 Thread Seymour J Metz
> During the time of the 370s, I knew of a company which kept > a 360 because it could do 1401 emulation in order to run a > critical program. So could any S/370 smaller than a 165. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM

Re: GRSRNL Example

2020-06-30 Thread Norman Hollander
I don't have a need to re-invent the Bible, so Sam's word (has always been) is good for me...  zN -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Conley Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 12:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: GRSRNL Example On

SMS Data Class attribute Extended

2020-06-30 Thread PINION, RICHARD W.
We are attempting, on our QA LPAR, to use the SMS DC attributes, Data Set Name Type . . . . . : EXTENDED If Extended . . . . . . . . : PREFERRED Extended Addressability . . : YES for all of our sequential data sets. Of several hundred/thousands of dataset allocations, during the test

Re: z/OS use of "legacy" programming languages

2020-06-30 Thread Arthur
On 30 Jun 2020 12:18:01 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:) frank.swarbr...@outlook.com (Frank Swarbrick) wrote: Some time ago I noticed that z/OS Language Environment has support for both "FORTRAN IV" and "VS FORTRAN" (FORTRAN 77 standard), even though the latest Fortran compiler

Re: GRSRNL Example

2020-06-30 Thread Tom Conley
On 6/30/2020 1:52 PM, Knutson, Samuel wrote: GRS User Experiences Converting all Reserves Plus Best Practice Tips and Tricks https://www.share.org/p/do/sd/topic=50=3961 Circa 2008 but mostly still relevant. Thanks, Sam Sam's session is THE BIBLE on converting GRS reserves. I used it in all

Re: GRSRNL Example

2020-06-30 Thread Norman Hollander
Everything old is new again... Hope y’all are well! Thanks Sam. Sent from my iPad. I take no responsibility for autocorrect... On Jun 30, 2020, at 10:52 AM, Knutson, Samuel wrote: GRS User Experiences Converting all Reserves Plus Best Practice Tips and Tricks

Fwd: IBM Alumni Directory

2020-06-30 Thread Gabe Goldberg
I'm just the messenger... Forwarded Message Subject:IBM Alumni Directory Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 15:59:22 + (UTC) From: Bob McGrath To: i...@agentsadvanceinc.com Spending time updating the online IBM Alumni Directory while trying to shelter in place.

z/OS use of "legacy" programming languages

2020-06-30 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Some time ago I noticed that z/OS Language Environment has support for both "FORTRAN IV" and "VS FORTRAN" (FORTRAN 77 standard), even though the latest Fortran compiler hasn't been enhanced since 1993 (??). I've been learning modern Fortran (standards Fortran 90, 95, 03 and 08) using GNU

Re: GRSRNL Example

2020-06-30 Thread Knutson, Samuel
GRS User Experiences Converting all Reserves Plus Best Practice Tips and Tricks https://www.share.org/p/do/sd/topic=50=3961 Circa 2008 but mostly still relevant. Thanks, Sam -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Norman Hollander Sent: Monday, June 29,

Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

2020-06-30 Thread Mike Hochee
Some years ago this publication helped me come to a basic understanding of AT-TLS (apologies if already shared)... https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/leveraging-zos-communications-server-application-transparent-transport-layer-security-tls-lower-cost-and-more-rapid-tls-deployment HTH Mike

Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

2020-06-30 Thread Don Poitras
In article you wrote: > I've tried to skim some of the AT-TLS doc, and even attended an IBM > webinar last week, but I'm still missing what I imagine are important > background points. Maybe someone here can explain things, but don't > worry too much about it. > Client and server programs

Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

2020-06-30 Thread Jackson, Rob
Ah, maybe he was going on this or something similar, and it got garbled in translation: https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/zos-communications-server-tls-needed-implement-tls-v12 First Horizon Bank Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On

Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

2020-06-30 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 09:57:48 -0700, Tom Brennan wrote: >... >Then if so, what happens on the FTP client side? I certainly can't use >the Windows FTP command, for example, because it's not setup for any >kind of encryption. That's kind of my big question here. > I believe that (sometimes)

Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

2020-06-30 Thread Jackson, Rob
My turn to say interesting! I didn't look it up; just going on what the Comm guy assured me. We're still on 2.2 (shortly on to 2.4), so maybe that makes a difference. First Horizon Bank Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

2020-06-30 Thread Marshall Stone
Anything SFTP on Open/SSH will never use AT-TLS FTPS - Is IBM's FTP program not using PORT 21 and running in secured mode, setup to force authentication and use AT/TLS for encryption MS -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Brennan Sent: Tuesday, June

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

2020-06-30 Thread Tom Brennan
Do you know if either of those require AT-TLS? When I installed and configured SSHD last (a couple of years ago) it did its own encryption. I never worked with anything called FTPS. On 6/30/2020 10:12 AM, Marshall Stone wrote: There are 2 types of FTP in use today on most mainframes. SFTP

Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

2020-06-30 Thread Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw
I have TLS 1.2 working in my TN3270 server without AT-TLS. This is on z/OS 2.3 Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw Consultant working on contract for BMC Mainframe Services by RSM Partners ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

2020-06-30 Thread Tom Brennan
Interesting! I've set up the TN3270 parms on the mainframe for SSL/TLS but that was before TLS1.2 On 6/30/2020 10:09 AM, Jackson, Rob wrote: A note, without addressing your entire post (certainly not my area of expertise): AT-TLS is required for TN3270 (and others) if you want to use TLS

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

2020-06-30 Thread Marshall Stone
There are 2 types of FTP in use today on most mainframes. SFTP - which uses Open/SSH (SSHAGNT as client and SSHD as a server) and the encryption/authentication is generally provided by the use of RSA/DSA public/private key pairs. The public keys are exchanged and stored in known_hosts files

Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

2020-06-30 Thread Jackson, Rob
A note, without addressing your entire post (certainly not my area of expertise): AT-TLS is required for TN3270 (and others) if you want to use TLS 1.2 and higher. In your TELNETPARMS for the port, instead of using SECUREPORT, you use TTLSPORT, referencing a port specified in a TTLSRule in

Re: AT-TLS ? Very Basic Questions

2020-06-30 Thread Tom Brennan
I've tried to skim some of the AT-TLS doc, and even attended an IBM webinar last week, but I'm still missing what I imagine are important background points. Maybe someone here can explain things, but don't worry too much about it. Client and server programs like SSH/SSHD call programs such

Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

2020-06-30 Thread Jasi Grewal
Hi Mike and Joe, This is to inform you that they have it working now and we suspect that it might have been the process in transmitting DASD volume to Hercules that was causing issues but the good thing is that is working. Your continous support and responses are very much appreciated,

Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

2020-06-30 Thread Mike Schwab
What version of Hercules? Only a few latest versions support a volume that big. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:41 PM Jasi Grewal wrote: > > Hi Mike and Joe, > > Sorry about not providing model but is Model 27 rescue volume and I created 1 > Rescue z/OS v2r3 System. > I will get my IBM friends to

Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

2020-06-30 Thread Jasi Grewal
Hi Mike and Joe, Sorry about not providing model but is Model 27 rescue volume and I created 1 Rescue z/OS v2r3 System. I will get my IBM friends to look for tapeconv.jcl on z/OS IBM System and then use that instead of using IBM zVM DDR+Terse. Your continous support and responses are very much

Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

2020-06-30 Thread Joe Monk
what model DASD? Joe On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:00 AM Jasi Grewal wrote: > Thank You Mike for response and am an IBM Retiree and continues to work > with IBMers. > I am requesting IBMers to verify the Licensing and the message we are > getting is that it cannot find PLPA dataset and yet the

Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

2020-06-30 Thread Mike Schwab
Can you download a rescue IPL volume to define the dataset? Or download an idled Paging pack with this on it and add to configuration? Being in use may have made the copy bad. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:00 PM Jasi Grewal wrote: > > Thank You Mike for response and am an IBM Retiree and continues

Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

2020-06-30 Thread Jasi Grewal
Thank You Mike for response and am an IBM Retiree and continues to work with IBMers. I am requesting IBMers to verify the Licensing and the message we are getting is that it cannot find PLPA dataset and yet the same IPL v2r3 volser was able to IPL v2r3 System successfully under the IBM

Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

2020-06-30 Thread Joe Monk
Call from the IBM Lawyers in 3... 2... 1... Joe On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:35 AM Jasi Grewal wrote: > Hi, > > I am sorry I am just learning Hercules Systems and trying to migrate one > of my z/OS DASD Systems from Mainframe to Hercules Environment. > I have z/VM running on Hercules but when I

Re: USS "pwd" returns nothing? Maybe file system created wrong?

2020-06-30 Thread Mike Schwab
Are you using CKD or CCKD64 volumes? CCKD has a 4GB limit and CKD has to have a multi file setup. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:29 AM Michael Knigge wrote: > > All, > > have you ever came accross something like that? > > I can change into an directory, „ls“ works but „pwd“ returns…. Nothing?!? >

Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

2020-06-30 Thread Mike Schwab
If you are only testing on Hercules and will continue to run production on IBM z series hardware, I believe IBM doesn't care. But the SOFTWARE does check the hardware levels and you have to include a particular configuration statement for a recent Z operating system to run on Hercules. But if

Re: Installing Java

2020-06-30 Thread Allan Staller
Each ptf of JAVA is a full replacement. You only need the "last" PTF. Next time you order maintenance or code, specify "eliminate supersedes" when placing you order. BTW, this means any modifications to the java source provided will need to be reinstalled each time JAVA is updated. BTDTGTS

Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

2020-06-30 Thread Seymour J Metz
There is currently no legal way. Now if IBM ever offers a z/OS license for use under Hercules, ... Meanwhile, can you IPL OS/VS2 R3.8? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: USS "pwd" returns nothing? Maybe file system created wrong?

2020-06-30 Thread Michael Babcock
You are creating a 10,000 cylinder data set. Is it defined as extended format?I also seem to recall that you had to define something in z/VM for a volume when running z/PDT. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:29 AM Michael Knigge wrote: > All, > > have you ever came accross something like that? > >

Re: Virtual SHARE Ageenda

2020-06-30 Thread Seymour J Metz
In TSS/360, VPAM datasets can have both sequential and index sequential members; you can read and write withing a member either sequentially or by key, including inserting a new record between existing members. VIPAM is a colloquial term for a VPAM dataset containing VIS members. From the

Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

2020-06-30 Thread Binyamin Dissen
Have you complied with the licensing requirements? On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 05:25:23 -0500 Jasi Grewal wrote: :>I am sorry I am just learning Hercules Systems and trying to migrate one of my z/OS DASD Systems from Mainframe to Hercules Environment. :>I have z/VM running on Hercules but when I tries

Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

2020-06-30 Thread Jasi Grewal
Hi, I am sorry I am just learning Hercules Systems and trying to migrate one of my z/OS DASD Systems from Mainframe to Hercules Environment. I have z/VM running on Hercules but when I tries to IPL z/OS it seems that there is a corruption and that is most probably cause of wrong process. I

Re: Installing Java

2020-06-30 Thread Seymour J Metz
If the Java service is packaged correctly then SMP will only install the most recent PTF that you request. However, it will also install the FUNCTION. That will not cause duplicate elements. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: USS "pwd" returns nothing? Maybe file system created wrong?

2020-06-30 Thread Seymour J Metz
It's impossible to tell from the information you've given. Pleas cut and paste the entire transaction, from the prompt through the response. There is an error code in the message that you need to look up. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

USS "pwd" returns nothing? Maybe file system created wrong?

2020-06-30 Thread Michael Knigge
All, have you ever came accross something like that? I can change into an directory, „ls“ works but „pwd“ returns…. Nothing?!? When I’m in this particular directory a „cd ..“ returns „EDC5122I Input/output error.“ I’m pretty new to this „USS administration“ (I’m administering a z/OS

Re: Installing Java

2020-06-30 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Gadi AMV"SH, If later PTFs are truly replacements, the hierarchy of PTFs should be that every new PTF should SUPersede any old one. This means that only the last one actually gets installed. Regards, David On 2020-06-30 03:14, Gadi Ben-Avi wrote: Hi, When I ordered z/OS v2.4, I only

Re: AT-TLS ?

2020-06-30 Thread Lionel B Dyck
Sweet - thank you Lionel B. Dyck < Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of

Re: Installing Java

2020-06-30 Thread kekronbekron
hi Gadi, Perhaps the hold data will allow the APPLY job to figure out that only the latest ones in the chain actually need to be applied. Ones in the chain may be superseded, so it's always worth an APPLY CHECK to see what's going on. When downloading, the packaging system may be blindly

Re: AT-TLS ?

2020-06-30 Thread kekronbekron
Hi LBD!, Check these out- http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/PRS5416 http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/PRS5415 http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/PRS5414 - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, June 29,

Installing Java

2020-06-30 Thread Gadi Ben-Avi
Hi, When I ordered z/OS v2.4, I only ordered the 64 bit version of Java. When we tried to start PFA, it failed. A quick search showed that PFA requires the 31 bit version of java. I ordered it using shopzseries. The resulting package was over 13GB. It looks like I have the base version and over