z/OS MF environment - effort estimation.

Hi All, Good day. I needed expert advise on how do we calculate the numbers (effort estimation ) provided that we have the infrastructure that we support. Assuming that I have the below: 1) # of LPARs. 2) # of ISV products. 3) Automation on z/os on all LPARs. 4) Storage 5)MIPS 6) # of CICS

Re: z/OS MF environment - effort estimation.

Anil Kumar wrote: >Good day. I needed expert advise on how do we calculate the numbers (effort >estimation ) What numbers / effort? Costs? Man-hours? CPU estimate? Licenses? Infrastructure? etc.? > ... provided that we have the infrastructure that we support. Are these things in place:

Re: ShopZ 24/7? Maybe not so much....

On 12/17/2017 12:52 PM, Tom Conley wrote: On 12/17/2017 9:59 AM, Pinnacle wrote: Thought ShopZ was supposed to be available 24/7, but it appears to be taking the weekend off.  Been trying to get 3 PTF's for over an hour now.  Not like anybody would apply maintenance on a weekend or

Re: Cobol upgrade 6.2 linklist

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:20 AM, Peter Hunkeler wrote: > > If an auditor "pressed", then (if not also insisting on LNKAUTH=APFTAB), > that auditor most likely was wrong. > > > IMHO, those auditors were wrong. Full stop. Auditors should investigate, > document, and suggest. Auditors

Re: ShopZ 24/7? Maybe not so much....

The "new tools" are neither as reliable, available or functional as those they are replacing -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Conley Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 11:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject:

Re: Track address space which is non reusable

I track ASID usage with the free MXI from Rocket. I track it because some product leave the ASID's in a 'not-reusable' state. I execute it in a batch job and create a running total of how many are available and how many are not-reusable. I've been burned a couple of times when there were no

Re: ShopZ 24/7? Maybe not so much....

What he said! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Conley Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 10:31 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ShopZ 24/7? Maybe not so much On 12/17/2017 12:52 PM, Tom Conley wrote: >

Re: LRS VPS Printer Replacment

I am curious as to why you want to replace VPS with another product, at least one which you would have to pay for anyway. I know that Mckinney has a competing product which is probably cheaper than VPS, but LRS support has always been great (when they get paid on time) and it may not be worth

Re: Track address space which is non reusable

Hmmm. Already a health check for ASIDs isn’t there? IEA_ASIDS.Lists normal and replacement IDs. Even tells you How many have become non-reusable since the IPL On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 7:31 AM Brown, Duncan wrote: > I track ASID usage with the free MXI from Rocket. > > I

Re: CMS style XMITMSG for Unix and other platforms

Hi Rick, I may not get to try your XMITMSG tool for a while due to other commitments, but the VM facility I miss the most is the SMSG / WAKEUP SMSG facility that permits "server" VM's to run and respond to remote requests from "users". In a prior lifetime my coworkers and I used that facility

Re: CMS style XMITMSG for Unix and other platforms

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 < peter.far...@broadridge.com> wrote: > Hi Rick, > > I may not get to try your XMITMSG tool for a while due to other > commitments, but the VM facility I miss the most is the SMSG / WAKEUP SMSG > facility that permits "server" VM's to run and

AW: Re: RSM Freemained Frames - When do they apply?

> RSM will free frames if available frames are in short supply. > If you obtain a smaller amount, get it backed, and then release it, you > may be more likely to observe the frames being retained. I've changed the program to allocate 8KiB areas instead of 10MiB, and RSM decides to keep the

Re: Cobol upgrade 6.2 linklist

We steer away from dynamic linklist update as well. When Omegamon could do it decades ago, I chided IBM for lagging behind. Nowadays I have a different perspective: not how to move forward, but how to move back in case of unexpected trouble. So we invariably create a new library and IPL with

Re: "make" question

On 12/18/17 20:44, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 19:47:26 -0500, Rick Troth wrote: Anyway, it's not difficult to have your makefiles fix themselves, converting leading 8 blanks to a tab automagically. Some of the makefiles in and around CMS Make do exactly that: if they land on (for

Re: ShopZ 24/7? Maybe not so much....

On 12/18/2017 12:29 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 12/18/2017 8:30 AM, Tom Conley wrote: We'll bring this up at SHARE yet again, and IBM will assure us they're working on it, they'll point to their 99.99 uptime, and then nothing will change. Funny how the downtime (.001%? Really? No! That counts

Re: CMS style XMITMSG for Unix and other platforms

Interesting question. I do see a VMCF STC on our V2.1 system. Where would one look to find docs on how to use it? Comm Server docs? Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Monday, December 18,

Re: CMS style XMITMSG for Unix and other platforms

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > My guess would be CS, but ICBW. > ​You're right. https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.halz002/ip_vmcf_tnf_config.htm ​ > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >

Re: ES/9000 Console Cable

I do not think they called them HMCs back during the ES/9000 era (at least for the little ones), just "Processor Console". -- Will On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Carmen Vitullo wrote: > HMC ? > if you are talking master console, or system consoles, I believe it was a >

Re: ES/9000 Console Cable

correct, we never did, but checking the fine manual I found Hardware Management Console .. 2-4 Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "William Donzelli" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 1:27:37 PM

Re: ShopZ 24/7? Maybe not so much....

Nothing wrong with that. But why? Invariably, you'll need that one PTF that isn’t there _ Dave Jousma Manager Mainframe Engineering, Assistant Vice President david.jou...@53.com 1830 East Paris, Grand Rapids, MI  49546 MD

Re: ES/9000 Console Cable

HMC ? if you are talking master console, or system consoles, I believe it was a token ring network http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg2ba4122bfe6d689198525666e005d3c9f=1 this may help Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "William Donzelli"

Re: CMS style XMITMSG for Unix and other platforms

sme...@gmu.edu (Seymour J Metz) writes: > Back in the Paleolithic era IBM ported VMPC to MVS for use by > TCP/IP. The Pascal stack has been dead for lo these many years. Is it > conceivable that the VMCF port is still present in z/OS V2? I've periodically commented about how how the communication

Re: CMS style XMITMSG for Unix and other platforms

My guess would be CS, but ICBW. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 2:19

Re: ShopZ 24/7? Maybe not so much....

On 2017-12-18, at 11:20:33, Ed Jaffe wrote: > > Rather than downloading ALL, we choose to download only that which is > recommended by IBM. What's wrong with that? > > SET BOUNDARY (GLOBAL) . > RECEIVE ORDER( > ORDERSERVER(ORDSRVR) > CONTENT(RECOMMENDED) >

Re: ShopZ 24/7? Maybe not so much....

On 12/18/2017 11:20 AM, Jousma, David wrote: Nothing wrong with that. But why? Invariably, you'll need that one PTF that isn’t there Haven't had that happen, but if it ever does I will remember this conversation... -- Phoenix Software International Edward E. Jaffe 831 Parkview

Re: ES/9000 Console Cable

The ES/9000s predate this manual by ten or so years, so I thick quite a lot changed in that time. -- Will On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Carmen Vitullo wrote: > correct, we never did, but checking the fine manual I found > > > Hardware Management Console

Re: Cobol upgrade 6.2 linklist

To clarify my post about putting a consolidated application library in LINKLIST. Audit did not 'force' us, they 'pressed' us. Difference is that Audit exhortations can be resisted if you don't mind going on the defensive all the way up the flagpole. In our case, this production library

Re: Cobol upgrade 6.2 linklist

Like Skip, we are a financial institution with serious client responsibilities, and we also use a separate-from-development production control group as the only authorized updaters of the main application libraries. AFAIK no auditor has ever complained about our controls or our procedures. We

Re: ShopZ 24/7? Maybe not so much....

Tom, FWIW, I agree with everything you are saying with regards to availability. But, from your comments, and from others seem to imply, that it also sounds like you are picking/choosing what PTF's to download? Why not order/download everything available on a weekly basis? Even if you

Re: ShopZ 24/7? Maybe not so much....

On 12/18/2017 8:30 AM, Tom Conley wrote: We'll bring this up at SHARE yet again, and IBM will assure us they're working on it, they'll point to their 99.99 uptime, and then nothing will change. Funny how the downtime (.001%? Really? No! That counts only "unexpected" outages...) always seems

Re: Bad History (was: "make" question)

Keep in mind that originally POSIX and UNIX were different. IBM even documented the discrepancies between the two. AFAIK IEEE POSIX has been swallowed by the successor to X/OPEN and you now only need a single certification, but that wasn't the case at the time of the original MVSOE. -- Shmuel

Re: Cobol upgrade 6.2 linklist

"He jests at scars that never felt a wound." But it's not my dog. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Farley, Peter x23353

Re: Cobol upgrade 6.2 linklist

It used to be that you couldn't have PDSE in LNKLSTxx, but could add a PDSE with an automatic SETPROG command. I don't know whether that restriction still exists. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: ShopZ 24/7? Maybe not so much....

What he said! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Conley Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 12:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ShopZ 24/7? Maybe not so much On 12/18/2017 1:19 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote: > On

Re: CMS style XMITMSG for Unix and other platforms

Back in the Paleolithic era IBM ported VMPC to MVS for use by TCP/IP. The Pascal stack has been dead for lo these many years. Is it conceivable that the VMCF port is still present in z/OS V2? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: ShopZ 24/7? Maybe not so much....

On 12/18/2017 9:39 AM, Jousma, David wrote: ... from your comments, and from others seem to imply, that it also sounds like you are picking/choosing what PTF's to download? Why not order/download everything available on a weekly basis? Rather than downloading ALL, we choose to download

Re: Cobol upgrade 6.2 linklist

The issue with PDSE in the linklist is related to any PDSE that is in the IPL linklist gets an tag to (I think it is ) XCFAS so that if you whish to do dynamic maintenance to a product you can take the existing library out of the linklist, but can't rename etc. You would then need to use a new

Re: Cobol upgrade 6.2 linklist

I see your points, for me, it's never been in a habit of upgrading any target lib's that are linklisted, did that once with some older XX products (PDS) that didn't act well after trying dynamically refreshing LLA and the linklist, so I've built my linklist lib's from my target libs, and IPL

Re: ShopZ 24/7? Maybe not so much....

This is not to excuse bad behavior, but for years IBM has recommended pulling all available fixes on a regular schedule, e.g. daily. This to guard against this kind of situation: needing a particular fix in a big hurry when the delivery mechanism is not working for whatever reason. (Do as they

Re: "make" question

Tabs were a bloody nuisance long before 3270 displays came along; in fact, they may have been worse on hardcopy terminals than on 3270s. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

ES/9000 Console Cable

Quick question: On the small ES/9000s (9221-150), how exactly does the console cable connect to the processor? Parallel port from the PC (apparently S/390 and 9370 are like this)? -- Will -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: CMS style XMITMSG for Unix and other platforms

peter.far...@broadridge.com (Farley, Peter x23353) writes: > I may not get to try your XMITMSG tool for a while due to other > commitments, but the VM facility I miss the most is the SMSG / WAKEUP > SMSG facility that permits "server" VM's to run and respond to remote > requests from "users". In

Re: ShopZ 24/7? Maybe not so much....

We run a nightly batch job to receive all PTF's from IBM one for each CSI. That way as long as the Friday job ran we should have ANY PTF for that product if we need to apply something during the Maint window. We also include the hold data in that same job so as to catch as many PE's as we can.

Re: ShopZ 24/7? Maybe not so much....

On 12/18/2017 1:19 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 12/18/2017 9:39 AM, Jousma, David wrote: ... from your comments, and from others seem to imply, that it also sounds like you are picking/choosing what PTF's to download?   Why not order/download everything available on a weekly basis? Rather than

Re: ShopZ 24/7? Maybe not so much....

[Default] On 18 Dec 2017 10:40:41 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main jesse1.robin...@sce.com (Jesse 1 Robinson) wrote: >This is not to excuse bad behavior, but for years IBM has recommended pulling >all available fixes on a regular schedule, e.g. daily. This to guard against >this kind of

Are levels of control one reason for cloud movement was Re: Cobol upgrade 6.2 linklist

[Default] On 18 Dec 2017 14:11:34 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main peter.far...@broadridge.com (Farley, Peter x23353) wrote: >Like Skip, we are a financial institution with serious client >responsibilities, and we also use a separate-from-development production >control group as the only

Re: "make" question

On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 19:47:26 -0500, Rick Troth wrote: > >Anyway, it's not difficult to have your makefiles fix themselves, >converting leading 8 blanks to a tab automagically. Some of the >makefiles in and around CMS Make do exactly that: if they land on (for >example) Linux, they get run through

Re: ShopZ 24/7? Maybe not so much....

The only problem with downloading selectively is that a Recommended PTF may PRE(REQ) one that did not make that list. You won't know until APPLY time. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile

Re: "make" question

I cobbled up CMS Make (like three times, two being lost to former employers) and intentionally made "leading white space" count for "leading tab character". Seems to work, but I always only ever use a subset of full 'make' capability (on any platform). Anyway, it's not difficult to have your