Unfortunately, this is not the case; we use a normal LOAD without the ADDR
parameter.
> It is not necessary for SLIP IF with PVTMOD that the module be in storage
I had noticed the ENABLED/INACTIVE status and was wondering what it implied.
Anyway, the module is
loaded normally and is in storage,
Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH,
*obscenities
Regards,
David
On 2022-06-08 06:35, Seymour J Metz wrote:
This abuse of latin-derived plurals leads to such obsenities as "piece of data" where
"datum" would suffice and "medias".
"Why can't the English learn to speak?";was that in Pygmalian, or added for My
Well, you could always say "a Hebrew", which would encompass all 12 tribes.
I find a lot of the PC dialog offensive on several grounds. Refraining from
pejorative terms is reasonable, but finding creative reasons to deem
inoffensive terms as pejorative is just linguistic fascism. It doesn't
Ouch! Thanks for catching it.
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To:
Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH,
I've been hearing "an Exec" (referring to VM) since 1982.
One has to keep in mind, however, that "an Exec" was also used for EXEC
and EXEC2.
Regards,
David
On 2022-06-08 06:58, Seymour J Metz wrote:
While I cringe at "a REXX" or "a software", "an EXEC" doesn't bother me.
I would guess that the usage goes back to CP-67. The filetype EXEC could
contain EXEC, EXEC 2 or REXX code, depending on the first line.
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With a normal LOAD EPLOC=... macro; no ADDR parameter. I calculated the
absolute offset of the target instruction and substituted RANGE for PVTMOD and,
of course, everything worked perfectly. There is definitely something SLIP
doesn't like about our modules.
One good outcome of this
Long time VMer - I've always said "A Rexx Exec". Not sure why I don't like
the term script.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 5:59 PM Phil Smith III wrote:
> NOT interested in arguing about what’s “correct”, just curious about
> possible theories here.
>
>
>
> I started using Rexx (then REXX) on CMS
Thinking back, in the MVS/XA and /ESA days in UK I started with "a Rexx
exec" (yes, under TSO/E :-) ) or "a Rexx program", but not "a Rexx" because
it sounded ugly. "Rexx script" turned up less often.
Pretty soon people started assuming Rexx for almost anything interpreted,
and not mentioning it
How did you load it?
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Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 3:03 AM
To:
While I cringe at "a REXX" or "a software", "an EXEC" doesn't bother me. I'm
not sure why.
Saying "a CLIST" is perfectly reasonable if you know that the name refers too a
command list.
Does anybody in VM land say "a REXX"?
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While "an EXEC" is quaint, albeit universal, "a CLIST" is "a command list", and
perfectly reasonable. I must confess that I also say "an EXEC"
I generally say "a REXX script". If you want to be PC, make that "a Rexx
script", and, no, I don't know why the case changed.
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Shmuel (Seymour J.)
This abuse of latin-derived plurals leads to such obsenities as "piece of data"
where "datum" would suffice and "medias".
"Why can't the English learn to speak?";was that in Pygmalian, or added for My
Fair Lady?
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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
Youy can't do only one thing. The ignorance of correct usage leads to
circumlocutions by people who don't know the form "datum". Eschew obfuscation.
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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
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SLIP PVTMOD (whether for IF or an error trap) works only for modules for which
the system maintains a CDE to manage the module. That does not occur for
"directed load" (LOAD with ADDR= or LOAD with ADDR64=).
Perhaps the module in question is loaded by directed load. For such a case, you
will
Yes but we arent Romans so I think its acceptable
to use data for a single piece of data. If enough
people use a word incorectly doesnt it become
acceptable?
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Seymour J Metz
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2022 6:36 AM
To:
The phrase that rankles me is "software program". Isn't software always a
program? Can you have software without it being a program? Why not just say
"software"?
Mike Shaw
MVS/QuickRef Support Group
Chicago-Soft, Ltd.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2022, 10:53 PM Tom Brennan
wrote:
> I heard that one on a
I would consider "A REXX EXEC", "a REXX program" and "a REXX script" to be
essentially the same usage and quite different from the usage "a REXX" with no
following noun. It's the latter that I never heard in VM circles, and I was
curious as to whether it existed in any VM shop.
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Shmuel
MVS System Commands discusses this:
PVTMOD/PVTEP without JOBNAME/ASID and MODE=HOME:
This consideration pertains to the PVTMOD and PVTEP parameters when specified
in an IF or
SBT PER trap for a module that was not loaded with GLOBAL=YES. PVTMOD and PVTEP
are
used for monitoring execution in
On 2022-06-08 07:05 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
I generally say "a REXX script". If you want to be PC, make that "a Rexx
script", and, no, I don't know why the case changed.
You could probably ask the same tall foreheads that thought it was
vitally important to change DB2 to Db2.
--
On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 11:14:52 -0400, Gord Tomlin wrote:
>
>You could probably ask the same tall foreheads that thought it was
>vitally important to change DB2 to Db2.
>
But please don't confuse zFS and ZFS.
--
gil
--
For
Back in my Army days there was an interesting bit of nomenclature; you were
never to refer to a shoulder-fired rifle as a gun, although artillery rifles
and automatic rifles were called guns. There is even an urban legend about a
poem (used by Kubrick) that recruits are forced to recite if they
Yes, and "mic". And "perq" not "perk" (it's short for "perquisite"). Not
sure I've ever written "nuc", though, come to think of it.
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/* A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can exist
only until the voters
I'm sorry, guys, but I write a REXX (or an exec) all the time. I'd never
heard before that this is cringe-worthy.
And yes, now that I think about it, I used to write a CLIST, so it probably
transferred. I never write a PL/1 or a VBA.
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Bob,
I don't have the original question (other than what's repeated below) so based
strictly on what's below, DFDSS uses a similar criterion for determining
dataset filter lists for dump, copy, restore operations. That's just one
example of a non-security-package where this type of logic is
No!! Or, actually, yes, but only if it was commonly enough used by the time
I first heard the term that I got used to it. If you try to change it after
that, it's too late.
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Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
/* Many people struggle to learn how to pray because they are
I just found some while unpacking.
Stuff made for some great packing material.
The answer to your question however is yes.
You can even buy it on Amazon. Sadly no printers show up in "customers
were also interested in...".
Shmuel says it differently but I think he and I agree. I value clarity in
writing, and therefore I like words that make distinctions clear. I adopted
"whom" once I understood it. I use "datum" (and also "criterion",
"bacterium" and the like). I eventually learned the difference between
Bob,
Or maybe people are mixing it up and actually trying to say a troupe of troops.
OK, I'll go back to lurking before I'm tempted to say something about "I'm a
Rex, that other thing is a 'Rexx exec'".
Rex
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You say "not RACF or other security packages", but how is this useful ~except~
in the context of a security package? I'm pressing the point because the three
mainframe packages (RACF, ACF2 and Top Secret) all handle this matter
differently, so the logic that works for RACF isn't quite the same
Even BAT supports conditional logic and looping.I've seen very little code,
whether in CLIST, REXX or a *ix shell, that was just a linear list of commands.
I've seen lots of code called scripts with conditional and looping constructs,
many thousands of lines long. I believe that the term script
I see where the cringe-worthiness comes from though, seems to me that "I wrote
a Rexx" is akin to "I wrote a Cobol". You write a program or an exec in Rexx.
My $.02.
Rex
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Bridges
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 9:25
Ok, fair enough. But it seems to me if the OP - Itzchak, it was - if Itzchak
wants to do this in order to predict the behavior of some application, DFDSS or
RACF or whatever, he has to know how that particular app does things. It's not
like there's a generally accepted SOP for this question.
> TLS security mechanism negotiation failed - data connection closed
> 425 Unable to build data connection: Not owner Std Return Code = 16425, Error
> Code = 00017
> >>> QUIT
> 221 Goodbye.
>
> GIM69233I FTP FAILED, ATTEMPT 01 OF 10. FTP WILL BE RETRIED IN 60 SECONDS.
I believe, but am not
Dunno whether I'm right, but I associate "script" with "macro", both of which
(still in my own head) I think of as a list of commands without logic branches.
Like the old PC DOS batch files: Do this, then do this, then do this... Or
QMF (unless QMF has added IF statements since I last used
LOL, I never noticed that one.
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of
Mike Shaw
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 07:59
The phrase that rankles
BAT has IF (and other features) now. I did say "the old" DOS.
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From: IBM Mainframe
I had occasion a few minutes ago to note to myself, in a non-computer
context, that twice 66 is 132. "How" (an imaginary grandchild asked in my
head) "did you know that so fast?" The answer, of course, is that if a
computer programmer is old enough he knows 132 characters is the usual width
of
To be honest, I've been using Thunderbird and its predecessors for ~25
years. In parallel I'm used to be forced to use Outlook as well
(corporation rules).
There are two things I consider *much, much better* in TB when compared
to Outlook:
1. Message filtering.
2. Message searching.
There are
Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:
>To be honest, I've been using Thunderbird and its predecessors for ~25
>years. In parallel I'm used to be forced to use Outlook as well
>(corporation rules).
>There are two things I consider *much, much better* in TB when compared
>to Outlook:
>1. Message filtering.
>2.
I mean "pervasive encryption" - datasets encrypted using z/OS facilities.
Usually one can check whether dataset is encrypted by using ISPF/PDF
Info or LISTCAT.
However when a dataset is accessed "from outside" - i.e. via shared
DASD, the result of open attempt is usually an abend x13.
There are
To me ":the old DOS" is DOS/360, with no BAT files, just JCL.
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Sent: Wednesday, June
I'm old enough to know that greenbar paper is 120 columns. There's also 144,
still on impact printers. The compressed dump format for the 3800 squeezes in
considerably more.
Except when there is a legal requirement for carbon paper or NCR copies,
doesn't everybody use plain paper with a forms
There is a bit in the Format 1 DSCB for the data set, DS1ENCRP, that is on
if the data set is encrypted.
MVS/QuickRef displays a YES or NO value for each data set in its DSNLIST
report. We get that from that bit in the F1 DSCB in the VTOC. You can get
that information without opening the data
Kurt,
I submitted two jobs a few hours ago. One to Boulder and one to Rochester.
Neither server responded after 90 minutes, so I cancelled them. This was a
surprise that I did not even get the connection.
I have had the following in our firewall for a while now:
IBM Shopz and SMP/E
This is what I use:
"https://eccgw01.boulder.ibm.com/services/projects/ecc/ws;
and it worked a few minutes ago. Of course I use HTTPS.
Matthew
On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 20:51:53 +, Richards, Robert B. (CTR)
wrote:
>Kurt,
>
>I submitted two jobs a few hours ago. One to Boulder and one to
I think you are perhaps asking the wrong question. I think the question should
be
I have two (or more?) RACF-dataset-profile style names. How do I sort them into
order such that I can do compares in order, and when I get a match, know that I
have the "best" (from a RACF point of view) match?
If the data set is defined as BWO eligible, then DSS logic (data mover for HSM)
can handle backing the data set up while open.How frequently a backup copy
is created is determined by management class (SMS) or HSM policy (nonSMS). If a
CI/CA split occurs during the backup, then it will be
I still remember my first computer-oriented job as a burster and
decollator operator. My biggest nemesis was the 5-part carbon form with
parts 4&5 edge glued (for an insurance company, of course).
Ahh, those halcyon days...
Thank you and best regards,
Billy Ashton
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On 6/8/2022 12:03 AM, Robin Atwood wrote:
I strongly suspect the problem is caused by the PVTMOD parameter. Normally I
just specify a RANGE but
this SLIP must be sent to a customer, so that will not work.
In addition to PVTMOD=, try also specifying MODE=HOME.
--
Phoenix Software
I will look at that. Thanks!
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of
Glenn Wilcock
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 4:47 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: HSM backups and CICS VSAM files,
If the data set is defined as BWO eligible, then DSS
It uses XTS (CipherText Stealing).
I couldn't find it in a manual (but didn't look very hard).
Found it in one of CeCe Lewi's presentations:
https://www.zexpertenforum.ch/images/87/GSE_201710_Z_security_for_Data_set_encryption_092017.pdf
(See slide #9)
Greg Boyd
gregb...@mainframecrypto.com
On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 14:23:34 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
>
>I have two (or more?) RACF-dataset-profile style names. How do I sort them
>into order such that I can do compares in order, and when I get a match, know
>that I have the "best" (from a RACF point of view) match?
>
But beware:
Radoslaw's question makes me ask a pure curiosity question: what AES mode is
used by z/OS data set encryption? I Googled but all I found was "256-bit
AES", which doesn't answer the question.
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Bob,
My need is for a general purpose dsname selection criteria. However, Since
you mentioned that different ESMs do that differently, I'll be happy to see
the differences. I checked several profiles with RACF, and indeed, RACF
prioritizes the prefix.
ITschak
ITschak Mugzach
*|** IronSphere
I found this in a 2017 IBM Security presentation. So it looks like it's XTS-AES.
Key label: 64-byte label of an existing key in the ICSF CKDS used for access
method encryption/decryption. Encryption type: AES-256 bit data key (XTS,
protected key). Note: AES-256 key must be generated as a secure
Thanks to everyone who responded. I will answer all the questions here:
1. The module was definitely loaded. We dynamically load all our modules so I
checked with XDC that it was there.
2. It is not an LPA module, it's loaded into private memory.
3. I did issue D SLIP=SLP1 and the SLIP was
GIYF or duck duck go or whatever your search engine of choice. Not only is
greenbar paper still available (Staples, anyone?) but you can even still get it
in carbon paper (shudder).
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob
Bridges
Sent: Wednesday,
Now you need a de-collator.
On 6/8/2022 1:09 PM, Pommier, Rex wrote:
GIYF or duck duck go or whatever your search engine of choice. Not only is
greenbar paper still available (Staples, anyone?) but you can even still get it
in carbon paper (shudder).
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